Ryan: What the hell happened to him?

[lezlers]

On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 1:30 PM, Willowsmom said:

Needles are illegal without a prescription , at least in California.

No they're not.  Not unless they have some sort of drug residue in them, anyway.

 

ETA: Looks like I was late to the party on this one.  Carry on!

Edited April 8, 2018 by lezlers

[lezlers]

15 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

Wow ! A year of waiting. I can't imagine how I could function waiting that long on a court date. They are SWIFT here. One of the 'kids' in the family fucked up big time on NYE and was in court before the end of the week. 

Yeah, we have people that have to come to court every 3 months for a year to see if the D.A. is going to file charges.  After a year (in CA) there's presumed prejudice and we can move for a dismissal on the grounds of violation of speedy trial rights, which is why they generally don't file if more than a year has passed.   It happens quite often, actually.

[GreatKazu]

22 hours ago, lezlers said:

When arrests happen close in time (I realize 8 months isn't that close, but in the criminal justice system, things tend to move somewhat slow) a lot of times the DA will file a petition to revoke probation on more than one basis.  So they could've petitioned to revoke his probation and cited both arrests and the missed test.   Or perhaps he was arrested in August, but they were waiting on lab tests before they filed the case, ect.   At least here in CA, it's actually quite common to wait almost a year between an arrest and when charges are actually filed.

This reminds me of the time an addict trespassed on one of my properties and was able to access the attic from the outside. The premises was empty at the time as we were doing a bit of rehab work on it before renting it out. My neighbors called the police as I held her from trying to leave. I put my old police baton to use (from my college days when I was studying to be in law enforcement).  She was under the influence and had paraphernalia in her possession. The cops arrested her and off to jail she went. However, it was a year of phone calls from the D.A.'s office informing me her court case was continued every single month. They would call me so I could testify as a witness. I was told she was still getting arrested on other minor drug-related charges and she had prior arrests which she was still waiting to go to court for. I was also told she had two PRIOR  arrests before the one where she trespassed on my property. She finally pled guilty to the charge of trespassing, under the influence, and they dropped the paraphernalia possession charge. 

[MargeGunderson]

On 4/6/2018 at 5:03 PM, druzy said:

Well, we now know where Mac got her intelligence and great decision-making skills.

[ActionComics25]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

This reminds me of the time an addict trespassed on one of my properties and was able to access the attic from the outside. The premises was empty at the time as we were doing a bit of rehab work on it before renting it out. My neighbors called the police as I held her from trying to leave. I put my old police baton to use (from my college days when I was studying to be in law enforcement).  She was under the influence and had paraphernalia in her possession. The cops arrested her and off to jail she went. However, it was a year of phone calls from the D.A.'s office informing me her court case was continued every single month. They would call me so I could testify as a witness. I was told she was still getting arrested on other minor drug-related charges and she had prior arrests which she was still waiting to go to court for. I was also told she had two PRIOR  arrests before the one where she trespassed on my property. She finally pled guilty to the charge of trespassing, under the influence, and they dropped the paraphernalia possession charge. 

I'm a Realtor now, but in days long passed (about 5 years ago) I was the office assistant for a property management company who was to cheap to have an agent show every property available for rent. People would come in with a list of up to 3 of our homes that they would want to see, leave their id, put a credit card on file and the receptionist would then give them keys to the homes they wanted to see. They would bring back the keys, we'd give them their id back and if they liked one of the homes we'd start doing background and credit checks. 
Once we had someone call in and say that the home we had given them the key for had people living in it. Someone had come in, checked out a key and made a copy, then printed a fake lease and moved in. Despite evidence that they were making meth on the property it took the court nearly 14 months to evict them and because of the fake lease informed us that we could not press criminal charges (we had the photo copy of the id of the woman living there, it was pretty obvious they were not scam victims,). 
Our system doesn't step in a quickly as we need it to sometimes and I think it can be worse with drug cases.

[FairyDusted]

24 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

This reminds me of the time an addict trespassed on one of my properties and was able to access the attic from the outside. The premises was empty at the time as we were doing a bit of rehab work on it before renting it out. My neighbors called the police as I held her from trying to leave. I put my old police baton to use (from my college days when I was studying to be in law enforcement).  She was under the influence and had paraphernalia in her possession. The cops arrested her and off to jail she went. However, it was a year of phone calls from the D.A.'s office informing me her court case was continued every single month. They would call me so I could testify as a witness. I was told she was still getting arrested on other minor drug-related charges and she had prior arrests which she was still waiting to go to court for. I was also told she had two PRIOR  arrests before the one where she trespassed on my property. She finally pled guilty to the charge of trespassing, under the influence, and they dropped the paraphernalia possession charge. 

I FLOVED that you dressed for the occasion! 

7 minutes ago, ActionComics25 said:

I'm a Realtor now, but in days long passed (about 5 years ago) I was the office assistant for a property management company who was to cheap to have an agent show every property available for rent. People would come in with a list of up to 3 of our homes that they would want to see, leave their id, put a credit card on file and the receptionist would then give them keys to the homes they wanted to see. They would bring back the keys, we'd give them their id back and if they liked one of the homes we'd start doing background and credit checks. 
Once we had someone call in and say that the home we had given them the key for had people living in it. Someone had come in, checked out a key and made a copy, then printed a fake lease and moved in. Despite evidence that they were making meth on the property it took the court nearly 14 months to evict them and because of the fake lease informed us that we could not press criminal charges (we had the photo copy of the id of the woman living there, it was pretty obvious they were not scam victims,). 
Our system doesn't step in a quickly as we need it to sometimes and I think it can be worse with drug cases.

Holy shit! I thought I had trouble with my renters but you and @GreatKazu really had it BAD!

[ActionComics25]

5 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Holy shit! I thought I had trouble with my renters but you and @GreatKazu really had it BAD!

It's not my only horror story, I had worked in foreclosures before that job, but the balls on the people who stole the house and the lack of help we received from law enforcement really makes it stand out.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, ActionComics25 said:

I'm a Realtor now, but in days long passed (about 5 years ago) I was the office assistant for a property management company who was to cheap to have an agent show every property available for rent. People would come in with a list of up to 3 of our homes that they would want to see, leave their id, put a credit card on file and the receptionist would then give them keys to the homes they wanted to see. They would bring back the keys, we'd give them their id back and if they liked one of the homes we'd start doing background and credit checks. 
Once we had someone call in and say that the home we had given them the key for had people living in it. Someone had come in, checked out a key and made a copy, then printed a fake lease and moved in. Despite evidence that they were making meth on the property it took the court nearly 14 months to evict them and because of the fake lease informed us that we could not press criminal charges (we had the photo copy of the id of the woman living there, it was pretty obvious they were not scam victims,). 
Our system doesn't step in a quickly as we need it to sometimes and I think it can be worse with drug cases.

Ugh, that is horrible.  

It is why I had to put trespassing signs on my property because before that the police said they couldn't arrest anyone for trespassing. I then had to put "No Parking" signs that reference my being able to call a tow company to get them off my properties. Before the signs, people could park there and I couldn't do a damn thing about it for 48 hours (our city ordinance).  As far as renters, I have to make sure anyone who moves in with a renter is put on the lease. I am lucky I haven't had any sort of issues such as what you mentioned @ActionComics25. I have been blessed to have wonderful renters. I thank God all the time. 

There are so many stories like this one you shared. So many people living on premises without paying rent. Squatters tend to have more rights than owners. Google and you will come up with many stories of squatters living in rentals for at least a year or more. 

Back to Ryan, he has enablers who give him a lake house to live in. Didn't Jen mention something about that at one time? 

Edited April 8, 2018 by GreatKazu

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

This reminds me of the time an addict trespassed on one of my properties and was able to access the attic from the outside. The premises was empty at the time as we were doing a bit of rehab work on it before renting it out. My neighbors called the police as I held her from trying to leave. I put my old police baton to use (from my college days when I was studying to be in law enforcement).  She was under the influence and had paraphernalia in her possession. The cops arrested her and off to jail she went. However, it was a year of phone calls from the D.A.'s office informing me her court case was continued every single month. They would call me so I could testify as a witness. I was told she was still getting arrested on other minor drug-related charges and she had prior arrests which she was still waiting to go to court for. I was also told she had two PRIOR  arrests before the one where she trespassed on my property. She finally pled guilty to the charge of trespassing, under the influence, and they dropped the paraphernalia possession charge. 

Yup, sounds about right.  A lot of my clients are referred to (by both sides) as "frequent flyers." These clients are back and forth on multiple charges non-stop.  The cops on the streets know them too and tend to stop them every time they see them because to the cop, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.  They know any contact will result in an arrest.  So then here we are in court continuing cases again and again and again so that we can get all of the client's cases in front of the judge at one time and resolve everything together.  It's a total pain in the ass.  My favorite is when my clients tell me "no, the cop said I wouldn't be charged with this one!"  Sure, Jan.

Edited April 8, 2018 by lezlers

[ginger90]

There is a rental up the street from one of my daughters. A couple, and 4 children moved in last year. About 4 months later they were moving out. One of the neighbors told me they hadn’t paid rent during that time, and when they moved out they left the house a wreck , and took all of the appliances which were included. Apparently this isn’t the first time they have done this. So sad for the children, and the owner.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

There is a rental up the street from one of my daughters. A couple, and 4 children moved in last year. About 4 months later they were moving out. One of the neighbors told me they hadn’t paid rent during that time, and when they moved out they left the house a wreck , and took all of the appliances which were included. Apparently this isn’t the first time they have done this. So sad for the children, and the owner.

That happened to us. Our friends became homeless one Christmas. They had 4 kids and were going to camp outside, even though it was below zero. We opened up our home to all 6 of them, with the understanding that they'd get into a new place the next week. Three months later...ugh. It was a nightmare. They were horrible to live with but we couldn't kick them out because of their kids. We have a friend who owns a nice doublewide on our road and it became empty. We talked him into renting it to them. They pulled up the carpets and painted the walls in exchange for a deposit. Seven months later the owner came down to talk to us. Apparently our friends had not paid him ANYTHING. He had to take them to court and get them evicted. We were mortified that we'd been a part of that and had talked him into renting to them. The bad thing is that their stay cost us around $4,000. (We bought the kids coats, paid double electric and water bills, had to buy food for 6 extra people, etc. And then there were the things they broke while living with us, like the garage door.) So they owed him rent for 7 months and it would've been nice if they'd paid us a little something back. Instead, they used their $8,000 tax refund check to go to Florida for a week and to then purchase a state-of-the-art riding mower-a mower that they would literally go for joyrides back and forth in front of our house on. 

[ChristmasJones]

Wow... so they will keep someone on this show who threatens to shoot someone (and is also on camera driving completely high)... but they will axe the person working in porn.  Very strange moral standards. Although one is a white male, so there is that.

Can't wait till the whole show is shut down.

 

But then will enjoy the social media of these losers being posted here on PTV!!

[KittyKat133]

Just thought about this. Is the 2017 arrest around the time that ryan wasn’t speaking to his dad? Would make sense

[kokapetl]

17 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

This reminds me of the time an addict trespassed on one of my properties and was able to access the attic from the outside. The premises was empty at the time as we were doing a bit of rehab work on it before renting it out. My neighbors called the police as I held her from trying to leave. I put my old police baton to use (from my college days when I was studying to be in law enforcement).  She was under the influence and had paraphernalia in her possession. The cops arrested her and off to jail she went. However, it was a year of phone calls from the D.A.'s office informing me her court case was continued every single month. They would call me so I could testify as a witness. I was told she was still getting arrested on other minor drug-related charges and she had prior arrests which she was still waiting to go to court for. I was also told she had two PRIOR  arrests before the one where she trespassed on my property. She finally pled guilty to the charge of trespassing, under the influence, and they dropped the paraphernalia possession charge. 

Why didn’t you let her leave? And you clubbed her?

[MissMel]

5 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

Just thought about this. Is the 2017 arrest around the time that ryan wasn’t speaking to his dad? Would make sense

It just about has to be, doesn't it?  It would certainly explain the fight, the house being searched, the "I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire" comment, Jen constantly crying, Larry telling her if she didn't like it she could leave too, and telling her if she was going to let him stay in her family's home that she better sell it to him for the same price they were going to sell it to a stranger, as well.  Plus I think this was around the cat incident.  And stolen tools.  And so on.  Being pulled over with heroin and needles doesn't seem too far fetched when you add up all these things together. 

It makes a lot of sense but I don't know the time frame for sure.

[Tatum]

The conversation where Larry said he wouldn't piss on Ryan if he were on fire actually happened in 2016.

 

I am pretty sure Ryan stole from Larry, Larry kicked him out, and then Jen went and gave Ryan money behind Larry's back, which probably funded one of Ryan's drug purchases. Larry was very angry at both Ryan and Jen.

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Why didn’t you let her leave? And you clubbed her?

She caused damage to my rental and had been on the property before. Knowing she might be an addict and high, I wasn't going to take chances. I needed to protect myself just in case. I don't own a gun, but if I had one, I would have used that instead. Being that I was trained to use a police baton, I knew how to handle it in the event she got combative with me. She tried getting combative with my neighbor. She saw my baton and she realized I was prepared to use it. See, addicts tend to become combative when they are high. As we are seeing how Ryan is now headed into that territory with threats, it is only time before he starts putting his hands on someone. 

[smhjess]

2 hours ago, Tatum said:

The conversation where Larry said he wouldn't piss on Ryan if he were on fire actually happened in 2016.

 

I am pretty sure Ryan stole from Larry, Larry kicked him out, and then Jen went and gave Ryan money behind Larry's back, which probably funded one of Ryan's drug purchases. Larry was very angry at both Ryan and Jen.

This makes sense.  I also wondered if after he stole from Larry the first time if Jen didn't let him come back over and had it happen again.  The massive amount of locks on Larry's garage or shed we see in some shots is OTT unless someone has tried a few times.

[Tatum]

Yeah it sounds like Jen has never been able to say no to Ryan. And Larry may have tried to pump the brakes but I suspect he let Jen manage Ryan alone during his formative years, and by the time Larry realized Ryan needed more discipline and tough love, he was already raised to be an inconsiderate, self centered, ungrateful little prick, and it was too late. Larry strikes me as the type of guy who thinks raising a child is primarily a woman's job.

[meredithalmighty]

Any update on the restraining order status?

[druzy]

8 minutes ago, meredithalmighty said:

Any update on the restraining order status?

The temporary protection order will stay in effect until their court hearing on May 21, 2018.

[meredithalmighty]

Oh gotcha, thanks @druzy. For some reason I thought Maci's hearing was today and Taylor's was later.

[druzy]

[jumper sage]

On 4/8/2018 at 6:28 PM, ActionComics25 said:

I'm a Realtor now, but in days long passed (about 5 years ago) I was the office assistant for a property management company who was to cheap to have an agent show every property available for rent. People would come in with a list of up to 3 of our homes that they would want to see, leave their id, put a credit card on file and the receptionist would then give them keys to the homes they wanted to see. They would bring back the keys, we'd give them their id back and if they liked one of the homes we'd start doing background and credit checks. 
Once we had someone call in and say that the home we had given them the key for had people living in it. Someone had come in, checked out a key and made a copy, then printed a fake lease and moved in. Despite evidence that they were making meth on the property it took the court nearly 14 months to evict them and because of the fake lease informed us that we could not press criminal charges (we had the photo copy of the id of the woman living there, it was pretty obvious they were not scam victims,). 
Our system doesn't step in a quickly as we need it to sometimes and I think it can be worse with drug cases.

Bold - How crazy stupid is that?

If you have Netflix you should watch Nightmare Tenants and Slum Landlords.

[druzy]

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, druzy said:

Maci saying he had been threatening her for three days back in June. And she did not file a restraining order or go see an attorney about this for a year? smdh

27 minutes ago, druzy said:

Hey Drew, can't you tell Ryan is on drugs? You must have looked at his eyes the same way you looked into Amber's eyes and declared him clean. Effing numbskull. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by GreatKazu

[SPLAIN]

On 4/8/2018 at 6:14 PM, ChristmasJones said:

Wow... so they will keep someone on this show who threatens to shoot someone (and is also on camera driving completely high)... but they will axe the person working in porn.  Very strange moral standards. Although one is a white male, so there is that.

Can't wait till the whole show is shut down.

 

But then will enjoy the social media of these losers being posted here on PTV!!

Morgan J. Freeman would definitely have a valid reason for firing Ryan, but then what storyline would Maci rely on?

[happykitteh]

On 4/8/2018 at 9:14 PM, ChristmasJones said:

Wow... so they will keep someone on this show who threatens to shoot someone (and is also on camera driving completely high)... but they will axe the person working in porn.  Very strange moral standards. Although one is a white male, so there is that.

 

Farrah wasn't fired because she's a female and Ryan kept on because he's "a white male" as was stated above. Maci was also kept on despite doing another show while naked.The producers loathe Farrah because of her snotty, bitchy behavior so they used the porn as an excuse to get rid of her once and for all. Her behavior got to the point where she just wasn't worth it.

I do think if Ryan has made threats of violence against other cast members he needs to be fired but the addiction storyline is too juicy for the producers to pass up, especially now that Mac is pregnant. TBTB never have and never will care about the well being of the cast members. If it makes for good tv they'll film it and broadcast it no matter who gets hurt. If Ryan were to OD on camera or show up at Maci's house with a gun I wouldn't put it past them to keep filming and not call the police or ambulance until the situation played out.

[Tatum]

6 hours ago, happykitteh said:

Farrah wasn't fired because she's a female and Ryan kept on because he's "a white male" as was stated above. Maci was also kept on despite doing another show while naked.The producers loathe Farrah because of her snotty, bitchy behavior so they used the porn as an excuse to get rid of her once and for all. Her behavior got to the point where she just wasn't worth it...

I don't understand why they couldn't have just said that. Farrah is uncooperative and unpleasant and we've given her 8 years to grow out of it, to no avail. They're under no obligation to keep offering her a new contract. Why even bring up the porn?

[GreatKazu]

4 hours ago, Tatum said:

I don't understand why they couldn't have just said that. Farrah is uncooperative and unpleasant and we've given her 8 years to grow out of it, to no avail. They're under no obligation to keep offering her a new contract. Why even bring up the porn?

MTV was trying to say her sex work did not fit in with their standard of morals. Only crimes against the public and children are accepted. Being homophobic and tweeting hate comments are acceptable as well. That is, until supporters and advertisers are backing out of your show. Then, and only then, did MTV step up and get rid of that person. Jenelle has been quite uncooperative and unpleasant to work with. Her partner hollered threats many times over. MTV didn't bat an eye at their actions. 

Plenty of TM viewers criticized and slut-shamed Farrah for the porn. Before she was fired, people tweeted constantly to MTV how they wish MTV would get rid of her and then they would reference the porn or call her a slut. They still tweet about her and are happy that MTV "got rid of that slut." I am sure MTV threw out the porn in order to appease those slut-shamers. 

[Tatum]

3 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

MTV was trying to say her sex work did not fit in with their standard of morals. Only crimes against the public and children are accepted. Being homophobic and tweeting hate comments are acceptable as well. That is, until supporters and advertisers are backing out of your show. Then, and only then, did MTV step up and get rid of that person. Jenelle has been quite uncooperative and unpleasant to work with. Her partner hollered threats many times over. MTV didn't bat an eye at their actions. 

Plenty of TM viewers criticized and slut-shamed Farrah for the porn. Before she was fired, people tweeted constantly to MTV how they wish MTV would get rid of her and then they would reference the porn or call her a slut. They still tweet about her and are happy that MTV "got rid of that slut." I am sure MTV threw out the porn in order to appease those slut-shamers. 

I suppose they're trying to appeal to the masses, and there are lot more uneducated misogynists who think that having anal sex on camera is somehow more morally reprehensible than I don't know say, physically assaulting someone, threatening to assault them, neglecting your kids, driving under the influence, sabotaging your kids' relationships with their other parent, abandoning your kids, terrorizing your kids...wait, who are these people again who have a problem with Farrah's porn?

[Booger666]

I think Farrah got in trouble because she was doing Teen Mom porn webcams and it was the branding crossover between Teen Mom / MTV and webcam porn entertainment companies that was the problem.  MTV doesn’t give a shit about the girls or their families, they only care about their brand.  Unless Ryan comes out with a “Teen Mom Ryan ♥️ Breaking Bad Meth” commercial MTV will continue to film his sad decline.

[grandee3]

Ryan’s decline is happening fast. Ryan and Mac need to take a break from the show or better, MTV needs to fire them. This is disgusting, watching a man wasting away on air and his totally in denial family act as if nothing is wrong with him. Give all of them a choice. Either they pull together and have a huge intervention with everyone involved, including cast and crew or they all get the ax. Forget Dr Drew, get someone that is not a TV personality, someone that is in touch with the best treatment centers. Quit feeding Ryan’s pusher and get the kid the help he needs. They certainly can afford it!

[happykitteh]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

I suppose they're trying to appeal to the masses, and there are lot more uneducated misogynists who think that having anal sex on camera is somehow more morally reprehensible than I don't know say, physically assaulting someone, threatening to assault them, neglecting your kids, driving under the influence, sabotaging your kids' relationships with their other parent, abandoning your kids, terrorizing your kids...wait, who are these people again who have a problem with Farrah's porn?

The way Farrah has screwed up Sofia is much more disturbing to me than her doing porn, as is the way she treats her parents - though they are adults who allow it. As for people who have a problem with porn, I don't think they are "uneducated" and one could argue those who are cool with it are the "mysogynists" since porn is sexual objectification of women which falls under the definition of mysogyny. I'm not going to make a blanket judgement of those who have a problem with porn.

[Tatum]

51 minutes ago, happykitteh said:

The way Farrah has screwed up Sofia is much more disturbing to me than her doing porn, as is the way she treats her parents - though they are adults who allow it. As for people who have a problem with porn, I don't think they are "uneducated" and one could argue those who are cool with it are the "mysogynists" since porn is sexual objectification of women which falls under the definition of mysogyny. I'm not going to make a blanket judgement of those who have a problem with porn.

I have no problem judging those who have a problem with porn but don't have a problem with all the neglectful abusive people still employed by the Teen Mom production company.

 

ETA: if it wasn't clear from my previous posts on the matter, I don't have a problem with having a problem with porn. I have a problem with people saying Farrah should be removed from the show for doing porn while having no issue with Amber, Jenelle, and Kailyn, not to mention their various abusive and criminal SOs- on this show.

 

I also did not say anyone who has a problem with porn is uneducated and misogynistic. I said anyone who has a problem with a female doing porn but doesn't have a problem with the various other shit we've been subjected to is uneducated and misogynistic. I stand by that opinion.

Edited April 10, 2018 by Tatum

[GreatKazu]

36 minutes ago, happykitteh said:

The way Farrah has screwed up Sofia is much more disturbing to me than her doing porn, as is the way she treats her parents - though they are adults who allow it. As for people who have a problem with porn, I don't think they are "uneducated" and one could argue those who are cool with it are the "mysogynists" since porn is sexual objectification of women which falls under the definition of mysogyny. I'm not going to make a blanket judgement of those who have a problem with porn.

Let's not forget, males do porn as well. Yes, porn was at one time mostly filled with females, but that is no longer the case. 

I am also remembering this is Teen Mom, not a forum about porn in general. 

@Tatum exactly. By the way, your post was very clear. People have no problems liking or showing adulation to abusers Jenelle, Kail, David, and Amber, but they act holier than thou when it comes to Farrah taking a fist up her cooch (something which never appeared on Teen Mom) or making a porn. Ryan can drive on the highway while high as a kite, but people take issue with Farrah being in the adult industry? 

Edited April 10, 2018 by GreatKazu

[happykitteh]

8 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I have no problem judging those who have a problem with porn but don't have a problem with all the neglectful abusive people still employed by the Teen Mom production company.

 

ETA: if it wasn't clear from my previous posts on the matter, I don't have a problem with having a problem with porn. I have a problem with people saying Farrah should be removed from the show for doing porn while having no issue with Amber, Jenelle, and Kailyn, not to mention their various abusive and criminal SOs- on this show.

Agreed

[Tatum]

The following is tangentially related to Ryan, who once said Farrah has no room to talk about anything ever, because she had a dick in her ass on film, which is, in my opinion, a misogynistic and uneducated point of view, and sadly, one that I think is likely shared by a lot of viewers.

 

You hate the porn industry? Fine. I'm not thrilled with it myself. But if you hate it, you hate the industry. You hate the people who make it, you hate the people who sell it, you hate the people who distribute it, and most of all (I'm looking at you, Maci, Cate, and RYAN), you hate the people who WATCH it, and therefore create a demand. THOSE are the ones who deserve the biggest side eye. You don't use porn as a convenient excuse to scapegoat someone you already don't like, just because she happens to be one of the most visible (yet likely lowest paid) cog in the wheel of the adult entertainment industry.

9 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

@Tatum exactly. By the way, your post was very clear. People have no problems liking or showing adulation to abusers Jenelle, Kail, David, and Amber, but they act holier than thou when it comes to Farrah taking a fist up her cooch ...

Oh my. That is...oh my.

[GreatKazu]

7 minutes ago, Tatum said:

The following is tangentially related to Ryan, who once said Farrah has no room to talk about anything ever, because she had a dick in her ass on film, which is, in my opinion, a misogynistic and uneducated point of view, and sadly, one that I think is likely shared by a lot of viewers.

You hate the porn industry? Fine. I'm not thrilled with it myself. But if you hate it, you hate the industry. You hate the people who make it, you hate the people who sell it, you hate the people who distribute it, and most of all (I'm looking at you, Maci, Cate, and RYAN), you hate the people who WATCH it, and therefore create a demand. THOSE are the ones who deserve the biggest side eye. You don't use porn as a convenient excuse to scapegoat someone you already don't like, just because she happens to be one of the most visible (yet likely lowest paid) cog in the wheel of the adult entertainment industry.

Oh my. That is...oh my.

Ryan's remarks about Farrah were extremely hypocritical and judgmental. It was the one and only time he and Maci shared the same thoughts and agreed on something. I have no doubts Maci has watched porn. Ryan for sure has watched it. 

I had a conversation with my spouse just last night about a mutual acquaintance who publicly shared on Facebook her hate for a local strip club that is closing for good. She ranted how that place was filled with sluts and how they ruined her marriage and other marriages and hurt families. Um, no. Your ex-husband ruined your marriage when he chose to spend his money there and get drunk. If it wasn't that place, he would have found another place or another way to see half-naked women and get his alcohol. Maybe you should have thought twice about marrying a man who enjoyed his liquor way too much. 

Back to Ryan. That drug addict has no room to talk about anything or anyone. According to him, Farrah should not be on TM due to her adult work away from the show. Well then, his no-good ass should be removed since his criminal acts are front and center ON THE SHOW.  

[Cherry Cola]

22 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Let's not forget, males do porn as well. Yes, porn was at one time mostly filled with females, but that is no longer the case. 

I am also remembering this is Teen Mom, not a forum about porn in general. 

@Tatum exactly. By the way, your post was very clear. People have no problems liking or showing adulation to abusers Jenelle, Kail, David, and Amber, but they act holier than thou when it comes to Farrah taking a fist up her cooch (something which never appeared on Teen Mom) or making a porn. Ryan can drive on the highway while high as a kite, but people take issue with Farrah being in the adult industry? 

Fist up the cooch! Lol.  I have a problem with All of their behaviour, except for Gary. 

Rhiine looks so ghostly.  He scares me. 

[Rebecca]

On 4/10/2018 at 12:25 AM, happykitteh said:

Farrah wasn't fired because she's a female and Ryan kept on because he's "a white male" as was stated above. Maci was also kept on despite doing another show while naked.The producers loathe Farrah because of her snotty, bitchy behavior so they used the porn as an excuse to get rid of her once and for all. Her behavior got to the point where she just wasn't worth it.

In your opinion. I’m not convinced. The people in charge of the show are also white males. There’s a clear certain privilege there, imo.

On 4/10/2018 at 6:31 AM, Tatum said:

I don't understand why they couldn't have just said that. Farrah is uncooperative and unpleasant and we've given her 8 years to grow out of it, to no avail. They're under no obligation to keep offering her a new contract. Why even bring up the porn?

Because many of the other girls are assholes too, not to mention the fathers.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Rebecca

[Tatum]

3 hours ago, Rebecca said:

In your opinion. I’m not convinced. The people in charge of the show are also white males. There’s a clear certain privilege there, imo.

Because many of the other girls are assholes too, not to mention the fathers.

But I don't think the production company is under any obligation to split hairs about which girl is more obnoxious. They don't have to retain any of the girls. If for some reason, Farrah grinds their gears more than any other girl does, they're within their rights to get rid of her. But they can't play the morality card when they continue to film most of the other participants, who have all done more deplorable things than work in the sex industry.

[ginger90]

When a show like this is filmed in various states, what employment rules does the cast fall under? Where the cast lives? Where the employer is based? Does anyone know? Just curious.

[Tatum]

Since they aren't technically employees, they are probably all subject to whatever contractor laws exist where the production company is based. Likely CA. Just a guess though.

[Rebecca]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

But I don't think the production company is under any obligation to split hairs about which girl is more obnoxious. They don't have to retain any of the girls. If for some reason, Farrah grinds their gears more than any other girl does, they're within their rights to get rid of her. But they can't play the morality card when they continue to film most of the other participants, who have all done more deplorable things than work in the sex industry.

I totally agree. I’m giving that as a reason for why they used porn as an excuse to fire Farrah instead of just saying it’s because she’s an asshole. They probably wanted something more to say since it’s common knowledge that a lot of them are assholes and if they said they fired her for that reason alone people would probably point that out. As you said, why else would they feel the need to bring up the porn at all? What other reason would there be, unless she WAS fired because the middle aged, white dudes in charge actually had a problem with her doing porn? Which brings us back to them having no moral ground to stand on considering who and what else they film.

So either they’re using the porn as an extra excuse to fire her for being an asshole or they really do have a problem with her doing porn. Neither excuse flies for me.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Rebecca

[druzy]

It's a boy!

[christie]

Jagger? As in Mick Jagger? What kind of names are these people giving their kids? Though I suppose nothing can top "Lux."

[guilfoyleatpp]

Does Mac hope that by wearing absurdly short rompers we won't stare at her chins?

[ginger90]

Is that really the name they picked? Will the middle name be Meister ??

[kokapetl]

On 11/04/2018 at 12:15 AM, Tatum said:

I suppose they're trying to appeal to the masses, and there are lot more uneducated misogynists who think that having anal sex on camera is somehow more morally reprehensible than I don't know say, physically assaulting someone, threatening to assault them, neglecting your kids, driving under the influence, sabotaging your kids' relationships with their other parent, abandoning your kids, terrorizing your kids...wait, who are these people again who have a problem with Farrah's porn?

Advertisers don’t want to be associated with shows starring active porn stars. White trash run ins with the law can be spun as “gritty” or “unflinching real”.