Shannon Beador: Magic Crystals and Nine Lemons

[PhilMarlowe2]

On 8/7/2017 at 6:30 PM, Avon.Blakes7 said:

I think we have to know more about what's going on "under the hood?" If Shannon's still flying off the handle in hysterics over a comment, then losing the weight will do her little good except maybe being a better looking mental patient! Listen to her tonight! Tamra's trying to have a conversation with her about Kelly and all she does is live in the past! She brought up Kelly's act in Ireland making Tamra lose it over comment about her daughter! I have little to nothing for Shannon if she wants to continue acting like this insecure mean girl! ;-(

Shannon has always been this way. In the season 9 reunion, Heather pointed out that Shannon was in Vicki's ear on the way back from Bali urging her not to forgive Tamra or mend fences with her - same thing in the Season 10 premiere, she was whispering in the corner with Lizzie horrified that Vicki might be giving Tamra another chance. No one holds onto a punishing grudge like Shannon.

12 hours ago, ghoulina said:

And I'm actually with Shanon and her relecutance to move forward with Kelly and Vicki. I don't see it as living in the past. I see it as realizing these two are vile pieces of shit and wanting nothing to do with them. It's not like Kelly and Vicki are family members or life-long friends, where there is a history there.... a reason to try and work things out.

Except she did it with Tamra and Heather who were pretty awful to her. And why? Because she had a new common enemy in Vicki. I think she is an angry person who is always holding a grudge toward someone.

[druzy]

Bad Medicine! Shannon Beador’s Fat-Shaming Trainer Dr. Tim Under Investigation

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Ouch! Shannon Beador’s fat-shaming trainer Dr. Tim Ramirez was reported for violating state law by performing acupuncture without a license and a secret investigation was opened into the claim against him, RadarOnline.com exclusively learned.

The fitness guru, who had been trying to help the beleaguered Real Housewives of Orange County star drop her 40 excess pounds in the wake of her husband’s cheating scandal and blow out with Vicki Gunvalson, was reported for practicing the ancient Chinese healing method without the proper credentials in the state of California.

A bombshell complaint was filed against Dr.Tim, by a person that wished to remain anonymous, after photographs showing him performing acupuncture were shared on social media.

The California Acupuncture Board opened an investigation into his actions, the organization confirmed in an email from the Board Enforcement Unit dated November 18, 2016, which was obtained by Radar.

“The Acupuncture Board is in receipt of your complaint referencing the above individual,” the email stated, with a case number and the following information noted: “Tim Ramirez, DC. Unlicensed Practice of Acupuncture.”

“We assure you that every complaint we receive is closely examined. However, please be advised the Board only has jurisdiction to take administrative action against those individuals found to be in violation of the laws and regulations relating to the practice of acupuncture. Further, the Board does not have any authority to demand a refund for the dissatisfied services.”

The email notification continued, stating: “The allegations of your complaint appeared to be within the Board’s jurisdiction therefore warrant an investigation.”

The CA Acupuncture Board confirmed to Radar that Dr. Tim Ramirezdid not have a license to practice acupuncture, as their website also confirmed.

Beador posted a picture on her Instagram page of her daughter Stellaand Dr. Tim giving her acupuncture on November 15, 2016. “Stella has a head cold and @drtim gave her acupuncture on her face for the first time!  She started breathing better right away! #stellaistough#loveacupuncture,” she wrote.

A second complaint was filed with the California Board of Chiropractic Examiners for unlicensed practice of acupuncture as well, Radar confirmed. Dr. Tim was a certified chiropractor in good standing with the Board.

On December 6, 2016 the person who filed the complaint against Dr. Tim received a letter in response from the Chiropractic Board regarding their claim about Beador’s buddy.

“This acknowledges receipt of your complaint against Tim Ramirez, D.C. with the Board of Chiropractic Examiners,” the letter reviewed by Radar said, and a reference number for the case was provided.

“The Board assigned your complaint to enforcement staff for review. The Board gives priority attention to complaints containing allegations involving sexual misconduct, fraud, use of drugs or alcohol, or gross negligence/incompetence,” the letter explained.

“Expect notification from the Board regarding the outcome of your complaint. The Board observes all due process requirements mandated by the law. If your complaint is referred for investigation, an investigator may contact you. If the investigation substantiates your allegations, the Board may refer your case to the Attorney General’s Office for formal disciplinary action. If the case proceeds to administrative hearing, you may be called upon to testify before an administrative law judge.”

A shocking Yelp review on the Pacifica Wellness page dated July 27, 2017 praised Dr. Tim for his healing acupuncture.

“Last month my husband had sciatica, he could hardly walk, couldn’t sleep and was in a lot of pain,” the review wrote. “Dr. Tim went to work with acupuncture, chiropractic and exercise. He totally handled my husband. He sure knows the body and how to make well. We cant recommend him enough.”

Dr. Tim posted a photograph on his Instagram page in February 2016 showing him standing behind a patient with multiple needles in his face and neck and the hashtags #drtim and #acupuncture.

The person who filed the complaint told Radar that an investigator contacted them after they received the letter but that they have not received any updates about the case.

The California Chiropractic Board refused to comment on the case when contacted by Radar. Radar reached out to Dr. Tim for a comment but he did not respond.

The California Acupuncture Board refused to comment on the case but told Radar an investigation process could stretch from six months to years.

Edited September 21, 2017 by druzy

[Jextella]

On 8/8/2017 at 9:59 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Shannon has always been this way. In the season 9 reunion, Heather pointed out that Shannon was in Vicki's ear on the way back from Bali urging her not to forgive Tamra or mend fences with her - same thing in the Season 10 premiere, she was whispering in the corner with Lizzie horrified that Vicki might be giving Tamra another chance. No one holds onto a punishing grudge like Shannon.

Except she did it with Tamra and Heather who were pretty awful to her. And why? Because she had a new common enemy in Vicki. I think she is an angry person who is always holding a grudge toward someone.

Good points!

[FairyDusted]

Whoa! @druzy! That's some bad ass Chi Tea Darlin! I actually had a similar situation with a Gyn Specialist in Las Vegas. I saw him for years and wound up going somewhere closer to my house. Then this huge article comes out about him and others drugging and molesting patients. I was horrified that this man had seen me.   

[zoeysmom]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 7:59 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Shannon has always been this way. In the season 9 reunion, Heather pointed out that Shannon was in Vicki's ear on the way back from Bali urging her not to forgive Tamra or mend fences with her - same thing in the Season 10 premiere, she was whispering in the corner with Lizzie horrified that Vicki might be giving Tamra another chance. No one holds onto a punishing grudge like Shannon.

Except she did it with Tamra and Heather who were pretty awful to her. And why? Because she had a new common enemy in Vicki. I think she is an angry person who is always holding a grudge toward someone.

The major difference was both Tamra and Heather apologized to Shannon.  I find Tamra always a bad seed, but she did sincerely without qualifications apologize to Shannon.  I believe the only reason Shannon and Meghan and Heather and Shannon recouped and regrouped is they learned that Shannon is unfiltered about her private life and as such they dodge a bullet about being candid.  The fact at every opportunity Tamra throws a dig out at Shannon this season, her good friend, goes more to Tamra than Shannon.  I also believe that the fact Jim and Shannon have fun together in NYC and David and Eddie clicked went a long ways down the friendship path. 

With Vicki, I do think Shannon appreciated her friendship and actually enjoyed her friendship and support Vicki and her lust for Brooks and she had forgiven Vicki and was having a good time with her until Kelly opened her mouth in Ireland.  The fact that Vicki did not apologize but instead attacked I think had a huge impact on Shannon's ability to forgive.  Shannon claims to be authentic.  Neither Vicki or Tamra seem to have that gene.

[PhilMarlowe2]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

The major difference was both Tamra and Heather apologized to Shannon.  I find Tamra always a bad seed, but she did sincerely without qualifications apologize to Shannon.  I believe the only reason Shannon and Meghan and Heather and Shannon recouped and regrouped is they learned that Shannon is unfiltered about her private life and as such they dodge a bullet about being candid.  The fact at every opportunity Tamra throws a dig out at Shannon this season, her good friend, goes more to Tamra than Shannon.  I also believe that the fact Jim and Shannon have fun together in NYC and David and Eddie clicked went a long ways down the friendship path. 

With Vicki, I do think Shannon appreciated her friendship and actually enjoyed her friendship and support Vicki and her lust for Brooks and she had forgiven Vicki and was having a good time with her until Kelly opened her mouth in Ireland.  The fact that Vicki did not apologize but instead attacked I think had a huge impact on Shannon's ability to forgive.  Shannon claims to be authentic.  Neither Vicki or Tamra seem to have that gene.

Oh, I agree with you that Vicki has done herself no favors in how she handled all this. If Vicki were remotely emotionally or socially intelligent, she could have handled all of this in a way that ultimately kept her friendships intact. Going on the aggressive defensive was not the way to go, and Vicki has very much been her own worst enemy. That said, did Tamra truly apologize for her behavior that we saw? I mean, did she ever cop to making up the lie about Terry Dubrow wanting to take the Beadors down? Did she ever cop to trying to paint Shannon as an alcoholic? Did she ever admit to trying to make it seem like Shannon was having a psychotic break? Did she ever admit to how severely she gaslit Shannon (grabbing her face and cornering her when Shannon repeatedly told her she wanted to be left alone)? I never saw Tamra genuinely take responsibility for her awful behavior that season. I saw her squeeze out a few crocodile tears about how hard her year had been, using Sidney as a prop excuse for why she was not in a good place, maybe she gave some blanket apology, but I don't think she ever took genuine self-responsibility. And I really do believe that what brought Shannon and Tamra closer was their mutual stand against Vicki. Shannon can try to paint it otherwise, but that's my conclusion based on what we've seen on the show. This is part of why it's so hard for me to take Shannon's anger seriously - in one breath, she is raging against Vicki's moral failings, but then in the next breath she is extolling the friendship virtues of...Tamra Judge? Really?

[Mu Shu]

I'm not so sure Shannon is this wonderful friend.  As much as I can't stand Peggy, she's right about it always being about Shannon.   She really needs to grow up or stop with the caffeine or something.  She's so tightly wound and as self centered as Vicki.  

[zoeysmom]

12 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Oh, I agree with you that Vicki has done herself no favors in how she handled all this. If Vicki were remotely emotionally or socially intelligent, she could have handled all of this in a way that ultimately kept her friendships intact. Going on the aggressive defensive was not the way to go, and Vicki has very much been her own worst enemy. That said, did Tamra truly apologize for her behavior that we saw? I mean, did she ever cop to making up the lie about Terry Dubrow wanting to take the Beadors down? Did she ever cop to trying to paint Shannon as an alcoholic? Did she ever admit to trying to make it seem like Shannon was having a psychotic break? Did she ever admit to how severely she gaslit Shannon (grabbing her face and cornering her when Shannon repeatedly told her she wanted to be left alone)? I never saw Tamra genuinely take responsibility for her awful behavior that season. I saw her squeeze out a few crocodile tears about how hard her year had been, using Sidney as a prop excuse for why she was not in a good place, maybe she gave some blanket apology, but I don't think she ever took genuine self-responsibility. And I really do believe that what brought Shannon and Tamra closer was their mutual stand against Vicki. Shannon can try to paint it otherwise, but that's my conclusion based on what we've seen on the show. This is part of why it's so hard for me to take Shannon's anger seriously - in one breath, she is raging against Vicki's moral failings, but then in the next breath she is extolling the friendship virtues of...Tamra Judge? Really?

Now that you mention it, what Tamra sincerely apologized for was telling and then denying she had told Heather Shannon and David were headed for a divorce.  So it was really as you say Tamra apologizing for lying, not for the damage the lies caused.  Now she takes this high ground that she doesn't lie.  She does.

Tamra and Shannon started out being the friends.  Shannon and David were photographed at a USC game with Tamra.  Tamra then posted the photo with a reference to Shannon being the next RHOC.  Then kind of withdrew it when she jumped the gun announcing Shannon as the new RH.  I do think where Vicki and Shannon clicked is when Shannon was having problems with David.  Shannon did stand up for Tamra when she told Heather to not speak to Tamra in a condescending manner.  I saw a lot of Tamra true side during that season throwing Shannon in front of the bus t protect her relationship with Heather and Terry (obviously the producers' favorites because of they produce Terry's show) it was interesting to me that at the end of Shannon's second season Heather, Tamra and Shannon were friends.    

I struggle with anyone being friends with Tamra as her only goal seems to be maintaining her lifestyle through her RHOC paycheck. When Shannon was interviewed recently she said Vicki has never approached her to talk things through or to apologize.  I was surprised to see this posted:  

My, my how times have changed.  I did notice Tamra and her desire to be the center of attention once again made comments about not being able to defend Shannon.  Tamra could have taken the wind out of Lydia's sails with a proper intervention as to Shannon's leg squeeze.  That is the second time this season, as I see it, where Lydia came in with a stink bomb for Shannon, and Tamra did nothing to help her "friend" out until after the fact.  Tamra and Shannon both posted this shot::    

Which begs the question, Why is Meghan wearing a bathrobe to lunch?

[Mu Shu]

Tamra looks so much better with shorter hair.  All she needs is some low lights.  It's amazing how much younger they would all look without all the blonde on blonde and long extensions.  

[AntAnn]

I also wondered why Meghan was wearing her pajamas to lunch.

[PhilMarlowe2]

9 hours ago, AntAnn said:

I also wondered why Meghan was wearing her pajamas to lunch.

Because motherhood is super hard, didn't you know?

How much of the lunch do we think they spent bitching about Vicki?

[AntAnn]

Wow, must be super hard for Meghan. She not only wore her PJs, but her hair is still in the nighttime scrunchy. Her cousin/nanny must have gone back to school. Plus, she lives quiet a ways out of the OC now, IIRC, La Quinta? She must have had to leave really really early.

Edited September 24, 2017 by AntAnn
ETA: I'm sure vicicky WAS the topic of conversation.

[bagger]

On 9/23/2017 at 4:41 AM, zoeysmom said:

Now that you mention it, what Tamra sincerely apologized for was telling and then denying she had told Heather Shannon and David were headed for a divorce.  So it was really as you say Tamra apologizing for lying, not for the damage the lies caused.  Now she takes this high ground that she doesn't lie.  She does.

Tamra and Shannon started out being the friends.  Shannon and David were photographed at a USC game with Tamra.  Tamra then posted the photo with a reference to Shannon being the next RHOC.  Then kind of withdrew it when she jumped the gun announcing Shannon as the new RH.  I do think where Vicki and Shannon clicked is when Shannon was having problems with David.  Shannon did stand up for Tamra when she told Heather to not speak to Tamra in a condescending manner.  I saw a lot of Tamra true side during that season throwing Shannon in front of the bus t protect her relationship with Heather and Terry (obviously the producers' favorites because of they produce Terry's show) it was interesting to me that at the end of Shannon's second season Heather, Tamra and Shannon were friends.    

I struggle with anyone being friends with Tamra as her only goal seems to be maintaining her lifestyle through her RHOC paycheck. When Shannon was interviewed recently she said Vicki has never approached her to talk things through or to apologize.  I was surprised to see this posted:  

My, my how times have changed.  I did notice Tamra and her desire to be the center of attention once again made comments about not being able to defend Shannon.  Tamra could have taken the wind out of Lydia's sails with a proper intervention as to Shannon's leg squeeze.  That is the second time this season, as I see it, where Lydia came in with a stink bomb for Shannon, and Tamra did nothing to help her "friend" out until after the fact.  Tamra and Shannon both posted this shot::    

Which begs the question, Why is Meghan wearing a bathrobe to lunch?

SHANnon's face looks amazing

[SheTalksShit]

On 8/7/2017 at 0:37 PM, Avon.Blakes7 said:

She's not helping herself or the family exposing all this dirty laundry to the world! The woman needs serious help and it ain't gonna get better under the watchful eye of millions! ;-(

She is VERY very open. I wonder what David thinks of that. He's probably used to his wife being that way, now that I think about it. 

But then again, isn't that exactly what you want in a reality star? Someone whose wide open, no topic is off limits. No facades, no pretenses, no bullshit. 

[LilaFowler]

I think Shannon's face looks bloated and filler-y in those instagram photos. Of course, it could just be the extra weight still.

[quaintirene]

8 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

I think Shannon's face looks bloated and filler-y in those instagram photos. Of course, it could just be the extra weight still.

I think she looks quite good in the face--which I believe is definitely thinner.  I'm still trying to get my head around the '40lb in 6 months' thing.  Cos gaining that much weight is kind of hard to do I think.  Even for those of us (me) who have to watch every mouthful because it will surely show up the next day if I'm not careful as hell...

[ghoulina]

38 minutes ago, quaintirene said:

I think she looks quite good in the face--which I believe is definitely thinner.  I'm still trying to get my head around the '40lb in 6 months' thing.  Cos gaining that much weight is kind of hard to do I think.  Even for those of us (me) who have to watch every mouthful because it will surely show up the next day if I'm not careful as hell...

She didn't gain all 40 lbs in that short amount of time. Her weight was already up, and she was complaining about it, LAST season. I think the 40lbs she talks about is at least over the course of 2 years, maybe since the show began. 

[misschung]

I'm just catching up on the new season now.   I am a terrible person but I find Shannon's weight gain hysterical.   I'm not pro-fat, and I believe that a healthy lifestyle is important.

However, gaining weight is not the end of the world.  And I think the fact that she's blaming Vicki is ridiculous.  I also think that she's delusional for not telling David - um, doesn't he see her every day?  How would he NOT know she's gained weight?

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, misschung said:

I'm just catching up on the new season now.   I am a terrible person but I find Shannon's weight gain hysterical.   I'm not pro-fat, and I believe that a healthy lifestyle is important.

However, gaining weight is not the end of the world.  And I think the fact that she's blaming Vicki is ridiculous.  I also think that she's delusional for not telling David - um, doesn't he see her every day?  How would he NOT know she's gained weight?

Shannon is blaming the stress caused by Vicki's lies about David and she wasn't going to tell him what her body fat % number was, not that she gained weight. LOL

[Inspectabecky]

4 hours ago, quaintirene said:

I think she looks quite good in the face--which I believe is definitely thinner.  I'm still trying to get my head around the '40lb in 6 months' thing.  Cos gaining that much weight is kind of hard to do I think.  Even for those of us (me) who have to watch every mouthful because it will surely show up the next day if I'm not careful as hell...

 

She started gaining last season and called it "happy fat" from going out and having fun w her husband, now its from vicki stress. She likes sticking to very literal narratives, like how the stress is over wondering whether vickis abuse rumor would end up getting out. Did she really think the editors would skip that one? Sometimes It feels llike she's finding a way to llie to herself or something? For ex, after the 70s party her repeated defense to Kelly was that she "would never throw a party to set someone up!"... Ok, but you could kill 2 birds shannon lol. She gloms onto strange justifications and never lets go it seems. 

[SweetieDarling]

Blaming others for things that are clearly of your own doing seems to be a trend. Not just politically. The Baltimore Ravens lost last week's game (44-7) and they blamed it on time zone differences and travel fatigue (game was in London)...funny how the Carolina Panthers didn't seem to have that problem. Not once were "we were outplayed" or "we didn't play well" mentioned. They had eleventy billion excuses for why it wasn't their fault.

[ButterQueen]

On 9/27/2017 at 2:05 AM, LilaFowler said:

I think Shannon's face looks bloated and filler-y in those instagram photos. Of course, it could just be the extra weight still.

I'm wondering why she looks thinner in the Aug 7 picture with her daughter posted above?

Tamra looks great with shorter hair.

Megan's skin looks horrible in her pj pic.

[ButterQueen]

On 7/14/2017 at 6:48 PM, zoeysmom said:

Shannon's dead give away-David stopped paying attention after the vow-renewal.  She loves attention, which is why she loves USC football season, nothing but one weekend after another of being together for 12 weeks.  My guess is they are essentially rudderless, living on a piece of $27 million dollar land, in a tear down and waiting to see where they land next. 

I remember Shannon waking up to the idea that sleeping in separate bedrooms and David going to the gym at 4 am (hello there is a gym in the house) weren't conducive to a healthy marriage.  I can't believe it took one of the RHOC Einsteins to make those points.   Shannon on that tight wire between doormat and making David grovel.  Neither is a good look but after staying home with the kids for a dozen years I can see where she found her niche in being a RH.  Good paying job, don't have to work but a few months filming, nice trips and parties.  I always questioned the church stuff.  It seemed like they made a lot of changes very quickly including Shannon weaning her frequency from Dr. Moon. 

I had a hard time with Shannon's overreaction to David's ignorant mom last year.  She has got to dial it back-she is so freaking neurotic.  I can't imagine her being around Pixie Lydia who has is a carrier of igniting the neurotic. 

I forgot about most of Shannon's first season.  Did they have separate bedrooms?  I'll have to try and rewatch and reread the comments here.  I do love Shannon....faults and all.  She wears her heart on her sleeve.  How stupid of David to begin an affair the minute his wife goes on a reality television show.  Maybe he wanted her to find out.

[ButterQueen]

On 7/17/2017 at 5:18 PM, Almost 3000 said:

I just watched last seasons move and the tension Shannon created for the family was crazy. David and the girls were walking on eggshells around her. I can't imagine having the money to hire help and still opt to pack and move with just David and the girl's helping. Man, did she create unnecessary anxiety for the family and I'm pretty sure she does it all the time. She had a bunch of eBay auctions that all ended at the same time and I laughed because I could just picture the ciaos she created by trying to post all those packages at the same time. She's exhausting.

Oh man, how did you know about the auctions?  I would love to see what the HW's peddle instead of donating to those less fortunate.

[misschung]

21 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Shannon is blaming the stress caused by Vicki's lies about David and she wasn't going to tell him what her body fat % number was, not that she gained weight. LOL

Right, but I guess my point was that he'd notice that she gained weight, so would the actual body fat number matter that much?  I guess maybe saying the number out loud is different.  I dont know, whatever.  Shannon gets on my nerves to no end. 

[LilaFowler]

5 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I forgot about most of Shannon's first season.  Did they have separate bedrooms?  I'll have to try and rewatch and reread the comments here.  I do love Shannon....faults and all.  She wears her heart on her sleeve.  How stupid of David to begin an affair the minute his wife goes on a reality television show.  Maybe he wanted her to find out.

Yes, they were sleeping in separate bedrooms when the show began. Shannon claimed that it was due to her persistent coughing and also the fact that David went to bed so much earlier than she did. I think that marriage has been in the death rattle for a very long time.  David told her on that trip to Mexico that he just wanted to be happy, that he was sick of living in misery. Both seem to be completely miserable still. SAD.

[Almost 3000]

7 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Oh man, how did you know about the auctions?  I would love to see what the HW's peddle instead of donating to those less fortunate.

Shannon gave a heads up on one of her social media venues. It was about 20 designer label small size dresses and blouses with notes of when she wore the item on the show. She said her girls were doing all the work to earn money for their music/group. I just had to laugh because my first thought was of the stress to all of trying to organize and post 20 items ending at the same time. They earned good feedback though so good on them.

[zoeysmom]

7 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Oh man, how did you know about the auctions?  I would love to see what the HW's peddle instead of donating to those less fortunate.

IIRC Shannon gave her daughters some high end designer duds of hers to auction off  on e-bay and put the money towards new instruments for their band.  Modern day version of a lemonade stand?   

[zoeysmom]

On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 0:14 PM, Inspectabecky said:

 

She started gaining last season and called it "happy fat" from going out and having fun w her husband, now its from vicki stress. She likes sticking to very literal narratives, like how the stress is over wondering whether vickis abuse rumor would end up getting out. Did she really think the editors would skip that one? Sometimes It feels llike she's finding a way to llie to herself or something? For ex, after the 70s party her repeated defense to Kelly was that she "would never throw a party to set someone up!"... Ok, but you could kill 2 birds shannon lol. She gloms onto strange justifications and never lets go it seems. 

I may be wrong but I believe Shannon weighed 118 when she started the show.  On her second season she went to Dr. Tim and was upset over rocketing up to 134 pounds.  Then between seasons she claimed it was "happy fat".

It reminds me of Tom Luann's fiancé.  He kissed the other woman in February, they aired it August and there was a great deal of angst in between about how it would be portrayed on the show.  I do believe Shannon really dreaded reliving it and making it public.  To make matters worse after the situation was explained at the Reunion, to even Kelly's satisfaction, Vicki still claims it is true and has proof.  I half expect Vicki to come with some photo shopped photos (ala Brooks) to support her claim.  Shannon showed the photos last year and Vicki didn't say there were more.

By the third season she was on Vicki went after her for not being her friend.  In true Bravo style, they managed to cut in clips of a then trimmed down Vicki commenting on how she had one of Shannon's secrets locked away and was going take out the key and open it up.  So she started getting those teasers, knowing what transpired on the bus and through the finale.  So after the Reunion filmed last October, and Shannon had had it out with Vicki, she began to really pack on the pounds.  Here is what she looked like just a little over a year ago before going on WWHL

 She had started the process of weight gain.  By February of this year she had reached her 170 ++ pounds.  I do believe she has dropped about 25 lbs.  

In reality, Shannon gained closer to 60 pounds but the woman feels so bad about herself no need to mention it.  I find it a little different that Shannon would reference Vicki's "lies" about David  as the cause of stress weight gain but I do believe Shannon does obsess and does try and identify causes for those things that go awry in her life.  I wish her the best in reaching her goal weight.  I do believe it will just lead to another self-realization just like the one she reached about her marriage.  Shannon needs to look inside and see the good and not depend on other people such as David to make her happy or dwell on weight gain.  She has done a pretty fair job of explaining shy she blames the weight gain on Vicki-the others just want to run with another tangent.

[misschung]

I'm saying this in total sincerity - Shannon needs help.  If she's already on anti-depressants and this is contributing to her weight gain, then she needs serious therapy.  She's a deeply hurt and unhappy person.  Honestly, my first reaction regarding everything to do with her is to do an eye-roll, but I really am starting to feel for her.   She's latching onto other people and involving herself in drama that's obviously affecting her health.  The best thing for her would be to get the hell off this show. 

[nexxie]

imo the reason people stick with Shannon is because her intentions toward others are generally good, her heart is not filled with malice - which can't be said of many women on these HW shows.

[MissMel]

On 9/27/2017 at 9:18 PM, SweetieDarling said:

Blaming others for things that are clearly of your own doing seems to be a trend. Not just politically. The Baltimore Ravens lost last week's game (44-7) and they blamed it on time zone differences and travel fatigue (game was in London)...funny how the Carolina Panthers didn't seem to have that problem. Not once were "we were outplayed" or "we didn't play well" mentioned. They had eleventy billion excuses for why it wasn't their fault.

I agree with you but I have to correct one thing.  Carolina Panthers?  Come on now, Jacksonville Jaguars!  Lol  You can also bet if they had lost that game, they'd be whiney and blaming the weather and time difference too.  And anything else they could think of.  

[SweetieDarling]

16 hours ago, MissMel said:

I agree with you but I have to correct one thing.  Carolina Panthers?  Come on now, Jacksonville Jaguars!  Lol  You can also bet if they had lost that game, they'd be whiney and blaming the weather and time difference too.  And anything else they could think of.  

sorry, my bad.  I get those wild cats mixed up.  Either way the Ravens still claimed no role in losing the game, just as Vicki claims she isn't culpable for spreading repeating the cancer scam lies or rumors about Eddie and the Baedors.

[Mu Shu]

On 9/29/2017 at 4:01 PM, nexxie said:

imo the reason people stick with Shannon is because her intentions toward others are generally good, her heart is not filled with malice - which can't be said of many women on these HW shows.

Yeah, I agree with that.  Shannon is very self centered, but she's not pathological like Vick the Ick is.   She's exhausting,  but she's also able to look at herself and see her flaws.  If she got away from her marriage, she may let go of some of that extreme neediness and chill out a bit. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

5 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

Yeah, I agree with that.  Shannon is very self centered, but she's not pathological like Vick the Ick is.   She's exhausting,  but she's also able to look at herself and see her flaws.

I think she's willing to see her flaws to a point. Shannon has definitely dug her heels into the ground on a number of occasions and not taken ownership of certain things. I think when Shannon holds a grudge against someone, she can be quite vindictive and she'll find every/any reason to vilify them, and that, to me, does not qualify as good intentions.

[lunastartron]

Oh, Shannon is certainly pathological insofar as having some sort of clinical derangement. She may not be a sociopath like Vicki nor necessarily a narcissist per the official psychiatric definition but I think she's definitely the latter in the colloquial sense of the term.

I actually think she has very minimal ability to reflect on her own shortcomings - she may say that she has the faculties to do that but then she manages to ascribe responsibility to someone/anyone else for her behavior. She claimed she only wanted David to tell her what she'd done to alienate him and asserted that she would take responsibility for any failings that he identified but when she was talking to him face to face, she managed to twist a non-criticism from him into an "oh, so it's all my fault" opportunity for aggrievement and victimhood. When she screamed at and slut-shamed Kelly during the '70s party, it was because Kelly had brought her down to her level. etc etc 

It was kind of repulsive watching her shove food/drink/whatever into her mouth after the blowup at the breast reduction party while screaming "NOW!" at Tamra like some demented toddler. 

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[PhilMarlowe2]

The sad thing is that Shannon started out with much more self-reflection when she joined the show. She said she expected David to see himself on TV and understand how their marital problems were his fault, but then when she watched the show, she realized that she in fact played a huge part in their problems. She was also very quick to apologize - sometimes unnecessarily so - to Heather in their various disagreements. But it's like this show has brought out and exacerbated the worst in her. It feels like she is clinging to the show, and clinging to her unresolved rage, and in that place, she is losing her grip on some of those initial core virtues that made her likeable (to me, anyway). Meanwhile, she still thinks of herself as this fair, honest person who never lies. But there has been some major emotional dishonesty and hypocrisy from Shannon over the last four seasons.

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[LilaFowler]

I don't think she knows which way is up at this point. David's affair totally destroyed her. It would have been difficult to deal with under the best of circumstances but she was on a reality show. Tamra really betrayed her and did terrible things to her during her first season (telling Heather about David's divorce email after Shannon had sworn her to secrecy, telling Heather that she thought Shannon drank too much and needed psychiatric help, etc). I still can't believe that they are besties now. Then Vicki lied to her about the cancer stuff and I think they were genuinely close friends even off of the show. Shannon probably has major trust issues right now, including trusting her own instincts. Plus she's probably going through menopause and her daughters are getting to the age where they don't need her as much. It's a lot of change and turmoil. All that said, I don't understand why she's still on the show. Maybe she is clinging to it because she thinks it's one of the few positives in her life, or it's something that she can control? 

[misschung]

14 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

The sad thing is that Shannon started out with much more self-reflection when she joined the show. She said she expected David to see himself on TV and understand how their marital problems were his fault, but then when she watched the show, she realized that she in fact played a huge part in their problems. She was also very quick to apologize - sometimes unnecessarily so - to Heather in their various disagreements. But it's like this show has brought out and exacerbated the worst in her. It feels like she is clinging to the show, and clinging to her unresolved rage, and in that place, she is losing her grip on some of those initial core virtues that made her likeable (to me, anyway). Meanwhile, she still thinks of herself as this fair, honest person who never lies. But there has been some major emotional dishonesty and hypocrisy from Shannon over the last four seasons.

Wait, she said that she hoped the show would help her marriage?  Wow, that reminds me of the wedding planner in the Wedding Singer who said she was a professional matchmaker. 

[gundysgirl]

2 hours ago, misschung said:

Wait, she said that she hoped the show would help her marriage?  Wow, that reminds me of the wedding planner in the Wedding Singer who said she was a professional matchmaker. 

Yes, she did indeed say this. That she believed being on a reality TV show, where she had no control over the editing, would be good for her horrible marriage. I guess she believed that her kids having to live it daily was not enough. That they should also have to watch it play out on TV months later. That is always the underlying thing with these two. They have always been miserable in their sham of a marriage. 

[Jel]

On 9/29/2017 at 1:01 PM, nexxie said:

imo the reason people stick with Shannon is because her intentions toward others are generally good, her heart is not filled with malice - which can't be said of many women on these HW shows.

I also think Shannon is good-hearted at her core, and a lot of her problems stem from a lack of self esteem, so not malice. But when she gets upset about someone, it's like she channels all her negative emotions into that one person and won't let it go, and that does start to look like malice to me.  She's a right fighter with a victim mentality -- not a bad person, but a good person who acts badly.

Also, it's so hard to not be cynical about this show now -- so many of the friendships and disagreements seem to go beyond political to just plain contrived now, with the goal of "storyline" and keeping oneself relevant to the drama in order to be asked back next year.

[nexxie]

3 hours ago, Jel said:

I also think Shannon is good-hearted at her core, and a lot of her problems stem from a lack of self esteem, so not malice. But when she gets upset about someone, it's like she channels all her negative emotions into that one person and won't let it go, and that does start to look like malice to me.  She's a right fighter with a victim mentality -- not a bad person, but a good person who acts badly.

Also, it's so hard to not be cynical about this show now -- so many of the friendships and disagreements seem to go beyond political to just plain contrived now, with the goal of "storyline" and keeping oneself relevant to the drama in order to be asked back next year.

It’s true that Shannon is overly reactive - I’ve always thought she might have a history of some kind of abuse or family dysfunction that we don’t know about yet. Hope she gets the help she needs.

[gundysgirl]

3 hours ago, Jel said:

I also think Shannon is good-hearted at her core, and a lot of her problems stem from a lack of self esteem, so not malice. But when she gets upset about someone, it's like she channels all her negative emotions into that one person and won't let it go, and that does start to look like malice to me.  She's a right fighter with a victim mentality -- not a bad person, but a good person who acts badly.

Also, it's so hard to not be cynical about this show now -- so many of the friendships and disagreements seem to go beyond political to just plain contrived now, with the goal of "storyline" and keeping oneself relevant to the drama in order to be asked back next year.

I agree with this. I do think she is good at her core. I think she is probably one of the more empathetic people in real life. I can see her easily moved to tears by the tragedy of another. But she does have a victim mentality, and an inability to just cope much of the time.  She is always looking for a reason for something. A way to explain things away. A reason that doesn't implicate her most of the time. The thing that I have always liked about her is her ability (usually) to move on when she thinks someone is sincere. She came to like Heather and to appreciate the fact that Heather didn't reveal all that she knew about her marriage. She didn't harp on the earlier stuff because she came to understand some of it. Same with Tamra. She truly did forgive her for the stuff she did because she believed Tamra to be sincere (others can decide if she was or not, but Shannon believed her to be). And that is what she wants. People to be sincere. She doesn't think Vicki to be, so she cannot move on with her. She has realized that David wasn't/isn't, but just going through the motions. So she gets stuck in the hand-wringing of it all. And she drags those around her into it with her. David has to hear about Vicki all the time and he is sick to death of it. The kids have to hear her harping on David all the time (and he does it right back) and they are sick to death of it. Learn how to cope Shannon. 

[zoeysmom]

Shannon's Achilles heel is when someone accuses her of doing or saying something she did not do or say.  From her first season of Heather accusing her of "yelling across the restaurant" to Vicki and Tamra lying to her, causes her to over react.  Not pretty.  I do believe it is why she and Meghan are so friendly-they have little use for the lying that goes on.  

I have been left with the feeling that Shannon is in no way going to ever speak to Vicki again because by her staying on the show her repeated dishonesty has been rewarded with a new contract every year for both she and her children.  The fact Vicki insists Shannon apologize for calling her out on her lies, is just not going to happen.

Overall she seems to be forgiving she has mended fences with Meghan, Tamra and Kelly, and  doesn't seem to have any interest in Peggy and Lydia.  She has repeatedly stated she doesn't appreciate Lydia and her name calling with the crazy stuff, but Lydia persists.  Lydia, and her make believe world is still idling at some strange notion that Vicki is suffered just as much hurt as Shannon.  

I see Shannon's boundaries being challenged in her marriage-her husband lied, he promised to do better and she can't let go of the fact that David went back to his pre-cheating ways.  At some point, much like settling with Vicki that there will be no friendship, she needs to acknowledge that she and David's marriage is one of some sort of mutual respect as parents but not some grand love story.  I believe Shannon went on the show to show David she could bring in money and have "fans".  I think the thing that works against her is her popularity with the producers and early win of E!'s most popular RH, may have had the opposite effect and may have intimidated David.   Not to be hurtful but I think the end of David's affair had far more to do with the other woman pulling the plug on the situation-not that he was desperate to have Shannon back in his life.

[LilaFowler]

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

It’s true that Shannon is overly reactive - I’ve always thought she might have a history of some kind of abuse or family dysfunction that we don’t know about yet. Hope she gets the help she needs.

She did say that there was infidelity in her parents' marriage and that she was one of the few who knew about it. It was a huge secret that she had to walk around with. Maybe that traumatized her? You'd think that would make her more mindful of her daughters' feelings but it could explain why she is so eager to (over)share with the entire tv viewing audience when it comes to her marital woes. There is middle ground there, Shannon.

[nexxie]

17 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

She did say that there was infidelity in her parents' marriage and that she was one of the few who knew about it. It was a huge secret that she had to walk around with. Maybe that traumatized her? You'd think that would make her more mindful of her daughters' feelings but it could explain why she is so eager to (over)share with the entire tv viewing audience when it comes to her marital woes. There is middle ground there, Shannon.

Thanks - the big secret is new to me. Don’t know if that would make her so reactive, but maybe it’s a clue about other secrets. I’d love to have coffee with Shannon and put my detective skills to use (kindly, of course)!

[PhilMarlowe2]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Overall she seems to be forgiving she has mended fences with Meghan, Tamra and Kelly, and  doesn't seem to have any interest in Peggy and Lydia.  She has repeatedly stated she doesn't appreciate Lydia and her name calling with the crazy stuff, but Lydia persists.  Lydia, and her make believe world is still idling at some strange notion that Vicki is suffered just as much hurt as Shannon.  

I think a big part of her mending fences with these people though - especially Meghan - has been as an act of collusion against Vicki. It's actually a huge part of why I started to change in my feelings toward her. I think Shannon thrives on the energy of having a common enemy. Have you seen the preview of the upcoming episode where the ladies navigate who is going to sit where at Peggy's function? You can see Shannon (and Tamra) deliberately calling Michael Dodd over to sit with them so that Kelly ends up at their table (and not with Vicki). I firmly believe that if Shannon and Lydia suddenly found themselves angry at the same person, Shannon would have new feelings toward Lydia. Do I think this is conscious on Shannon's part? No. I believe that she believes that she is turning the other cheek and finding new ground with previous foes. But I think what is really driving it is how much she gets off on colluding against the people she feels has wronged her. Shannon wants to punish. She can deny it all she wants, but deep down she's a punisher for sure.

[LilaFowler]

ITA and I do think that they have a plan to freeze Vicki out of the show by "stealing" her friends and then turning them against her. Kelly is dumb so she fell for it right away. They probably would have included Lydia if she hadn't fought with Shannon the first time they met. Now Lydia is getting excluded as well.

[biakbiak]

I wouldn't call Meghan and Vicki friends even if she agrees to film with her. Shannon and Meghan actually hangout occasionally when not filming.

[WireWrap]

10 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

I think a big part of her mending fences with these people though - especially Meghan - has been as an act of collusion against Vicki. It's actually a huge part of why I started to change in my feelings toward her. I think Shannon thrives on the energy of having a common enemy. Have you seen the preview of the upcoming episode where the ladies navigate who is going to sit where at Peggy's function? You can see Shannon (and Tamra) deliberately calling Michael Dodd over to sit with them so that Kelly ends up at their table (and not with Vicki). I firmly believe that if Shannon and Lydia suddenly found themselves angry at the same person, Shannon would have new feelings toward Lydia. Do I think this is conscious on Shannon's part? No. I believe that she believes that she is turning the other cheek and finding new ground with previous foes. But I think what is really driving it is how much she gets off on colluding against the people she feels has wronged her. Shannon wants to punish. She can deny it all she wants, but deep down she's a punisher for sure.

I disagree, at the beginning of Shannon's second season, she was friends with all of them until Vicki turned on her and it was Vicki that turned, not Shannon. As for Kelly this season, she is the one that reached out to Shannon/Tamra for a fresh start.