Teen Mom OG Reunion

[CofCinci]

Yeah, Simon -- calling someone a pedophile is no joke.  He's completely wrong about Matt.  Matt is actually a murderer rapist.

[shelley1234]

2 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

Damn this show for making me DEFEND FARRAH. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again...at least she's got hustle. I don't give a shit if someone does porn. It doesn't hurt anybody, it's legal and most people watch it. So Taylor, Tyler and Matt have never watched porn, I suppose? If people didn't watch it, nobody would make it.

She hasn't popped out babies to get a man. She doesn't sit around eating Fritos, drinking while pregnant, endangering people with her stoned driving and complaining about her fake illnesses. She's actually started companies and followed through. The girl works. 

Cate, Amber, and Maci all had to beg guys to be with them. Two of them had to get pregnant more than once to entice said guys to marry them. Another one overlooks the many abandoned children in her fiance's wake. Cate and Amber don't work at all. I'm sorry, who's the trashy one here? 

*vomits*

I don't care that Farrah did porn....other than that she behaves as if she is better than her other castmates and the crew.  She isn't.  

She's also abusive to basically any and everyone.   There is no defense for how she chooses to treat people.  There is no defense for how much MTV loves it and promotes her abuse because they know the audience laps it up.  She's disgusting, not because she did porn, but because she treats people like dog shit that is on the bottom of her shoe.  

Edited December 7, 2016 by shelley1005

[Yolo]

3 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

*womits*

I don't care that Farrah did porn....other than that she behaves as if she is better than her other castmates and the crew.  She isn't.  

She's also abusive to basically any and everyone.   There is no defense for how she chooses to treat people.  There is no defense for how much MTV loves it and promotes her abuse because they know the audience laps it up.  She's disgusting, not because she did porn, but because she treats people like dog shit that is on the bottom of her shoe.  

??????????????

[ReadMeLattice]

11 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

*vomits*

I don't care that Farrah did porn....other than that she behaves as if she is better than her other castmates and the crew.  She isn't.  

She's also abusive to basically any and everyone.   There is no defense for how she chooses to treat people.  There is no defense for how much MTV loves it and promotes her abuse because they know the audience laps it up.  She's disgusting, not because she did porn, but because she treats people like dog shit that is on the bottom of her shoe.  

Sure, she's disgusting. That's pretty indisputable. But I actually think Cate & Amber were the ones at this particular reunion who acted "better" than her and called her trashy, and they are both trashy and abusive too.

I don't think they're all the same, though. Amber is far worse than all the others in terms of abusiveness imo and in the opinion of the law. She beat her ex and is clearly still a violent felon. The other three have all also been abusive but she's the only one I would honestly fear on a criminal level. I understand Maci feeling a little superior but I honestly don't get who Cate and Amber think they are. Queens of virtue? (Btw I mentioned the porn because that's why THEY think they're better than her. That's why they call her a "trashy bitch". It's not because she's a jerk to her family or pretentious, or batshit insane or the other real complaints that someone could have about her. It's because even though they do nothing but drugs and neglect their kids, she did porn and that makes them better).

I'm only talking about this reunion: Honestly, Amber and Matt should have been arrested. That was not legal. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Lm2162

[shelley1234]

I would have had Matt arrested for assault.  Who exactly did Amber touch cause I missed that in the fray.....

Now defending Farrah.....blech.  Totally vomit worthy.  When she stops making decent human being aka the crew shit outside her house then maybe I'll think she deserves one word of support.  

[ReadMeLattice]

39 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Holy fuck. Sympathy goes out to Michael. I fucking hate Matt with the fire of a million suns. Now THAT is someone who deserves to have his ass kicked, not Farrah. Matt needs a major reality check. I hope to Buddha Michael sues his fucking ass!!! Please let this happen!!! Please let him sue MTV. I want to see Michael go after them for all they got.

 

ETA:

SIMON: Taking bets on amber quitting. Matt relies on you I say she doesn’t quit. #TeenMomOG

That's right, Simon. Matt won't let Amber quit. If Amber quits, Matt quits the relationship.

AMBER: Calling someone a pedophile is not ok nor a joke..

Amber, you hypocrite. I remember that Snapchat video you, Cate, and Maci made where you called out Farrah for being a "hoe".  Did you conveniently forget that?

And calling someone retarded, like Cate did, is just oh so classy!! How quickly they forget.

@shelley1005, Amber took a swing at Farrah, which in CA at least counts as assault. Any attempt to physically harm, threat, etc. Definitely illegal. Matt should have been arrested for far more. 

[SPLAIN]

10 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

I would have had Matt arrested for assault.  Who exactly did Amber touch cause I missed that in the fray.....

Now defending Farrah.....blech.  Totally vomit worthy.  When she stops making decent human being aka the crew shit outside her house then maybe I'll think she deserves one word of support.  

In California one can be charged with battery for actually putting their hands on another (Matt).  Assault is the intent to hit. No contact is required. It is the attempt to inflict violent force on another person (Amber).

In case you missed it, in one of the specials that aired this past week, Larry the producer is the only one who has to use the porta potty, according to Larry himself, it is not the entire crew. Not sure how that equates to whether one deserves sympathy or not for an intentional assault. I sure as hell didn't like Amber for her abusive behavior towards Gary. I am not going to be hypocritical by saying it is ok for her to take a swing at Farrah. Amber sure as hell didn't take issue with Farrah and how she treats people UNTIL MATT BECAME SIMON'S TARGET.

Amber and Cate calling Farrah a hoe and other vile names seems to get forgotten. Cate calling people retard. Oh yes, those people are nowhere on the level of Farrah. *eye roll*

Edited December 7, 2016 by SPLAIN

[CofCinci]

6 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

When she stops making decent human being aka the crew shit outside her house then maybe I'll think she deserves one word of support.  

I side with Farrah on this one.  If you have 4 grown men taking a Union shit in your guest bathroom every day for a quarter of each month, I'd order a portapotty too.

[shelley1234]

3 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

In California one can be charged with battery for actually putting their hands on another (Matt).  Assault is the intent to hit. No contact is required. It is the attempt to inflict violent force on another person (Amber).

In case you missed it, in one of the specials that aired this past week, Larry the producer is the only one who has to use the porta potty, according to Larry himself, it is not the entire crew.

That's not how I heard that segment on the special.  I heard Larry say he is the one she complains most about in reference to the porta potty, but they all have to use it.  

You can charge someone for attempt to inflict assault, but that kinda case is going nowhere in my experience.   And let's not forget Farrah losing it and shoving Larry in her front yard.  Cause she classy.... 

[ReadMeLattice]

5 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

That's not how I heard that segment on the special.  I heard Larry say he is the one she complains most about in reference to the porta potty, but they all have to use it.  

You can charge someone for attempt to inflict assault, but that kinda case is going nowhere in my experience.   And let's not forget Farrah losing it and shoving Larry in her front yard.  Cause she classy.... 

She should have been arrested for that. Just like Amber and Matt should have been arrested. I don't know if they have no case when it's on camera. 

[shelley1234]

If a prosecutor says he or she  wants to take the case of Amber pointing her finger and swinging in Farrah's direction....I'll eat my left shoe.  Not in any court system I've ever known.  

[SPLAIN]

15 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

That's not how I heard that segment on the special.  I heard Larry say he is the one she complains most about in reference to the porta potty, but they all have to use it.  

You can charge someone for attempt to inflict assault, but that kinda case is going nowhere in my experience.   And let's not forget Farrah losing it and shoving Larry in her front yard.  Cause she classy.... 

Ok, that may have been the case. Thanks for clarifying.

As to the second paragraph, not sure where you are going with that since most of us, if not all, were pissed at Farrah for putting her hands on Larry. I don't recall anyone taking joy in that scene.  Larry didn't pursue charges, that was his choice to make as an adult and employee of MTV. And yes, one can be charged for charging after someone, taking a swing at them, and missing their mark. Just like one can be charged for planning out a murder, but not actually going through with it. Not a good comparison, but then again, I wasn't planning on going over the California Penal Code and explain how our laws work. lol

Assault is a part of our penal code and yes, people can be and have been charged and convicted for trying to harm someone such as with swinging with their fist or a weapon of some sort. There is more to it, but that is the gist of it. IMO Michael should file a report. That was clearly assault and battery.

Edited December 7, 2016 by SPLAIN

[shelley1234]

1 minute ago, SPLAIN said:

Ok, that may have been the case. Thanks for clarifying.

As to the second paragraph, not sure where you are going with that since most of us, if not all, were pissed at Farrah for putting her hands on Larry. I don't recall anyone taking joy in that scene.  And yes, one can be charged for charging after someone, taking a swing at them, and missing their mark. Just like one can be charged for planning out a murder, but not actually going through with it. Not a good comparison, but then again, I am not here to go through the California Penal Code and explain how our laws work. Assault is a part of our penal code and yes, people can be and have been charged and convicted for trying to harm someone such as with swinging with their fist or a weapon of some sort.

Well above there was a pretty long defense for Farrah and how she is so much better than the other girls which got my vomit response to begin with.

I know how the laws are written.  I also know what is usually something that a DA will look to prosecute and ones they usually will give you a smirk and a laugh.

[Yolo]

Look, the bottom line here is THEY ALL SUCK:

 Farrah is a bitch and asshole in most if not every clip!!! She has issues w/her mom. Whats the excuse for how she treats and talks to everyone else!? 

Cate, where the hell do i begin? Lol. She does have issues from her childhood, Carly and depression. But lets face it she's also battling LAZINESS AND BEING KINDA GROSS. She has no spark, no get up and go. 

MACI????????????????????????? Just blah.

Amber, needs to focus on her daughter and getting herself together, so that she's happy and able to see clearly and face her day to day. Surgery isnt the answer! If the inside isnt good she will never be content w/the outside!! As for Matt, time WILL tell.

They all need to be working, QUIET AND PRODUCTIVE!! Get real help from someone who doesn't know them, clean themselves up, hell take care of there kid(s), do something other than what they're doing.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Yolo

[SPLAIN]

9 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

Well above there was a pretty long defense for Farrah and how she is so much better than the other girls which got my vomit response to begin with.

I know how the laws are written.  I also know what is usually something that a DA will look to prosecute and ones they usually will give you a smirk and a laugh.

Maybe there was an error or mistake in what was being mentioned here. First, I don't think Farrah has a case against Amber, but Michael does against Matt. Second, usually the charge of assault is part of other charges such as battery.

14 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

If a prosecutor says he or she  wants to take the case of Amber pointing her finger and swinging in Farrah's direction....I'll eat my left shoe.  Not in any court system I've ever known.  

I am lost. Where was it mentioned Farrah should have Amber charged with assault?

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Debra boyfriend was inappropriate, but that doesn't excuse Farrah being an bitch and asshole in most if not every clip!!! She has issues w/her mom. Whats the excuse for how she treats and talks to everyone else!? 

@Yolo Of course Farrah is an ass. What does that have to do with how Deb's boyfriend treated Farrah and what does that have to do with the sympathy that is being given to Farrah? At one time or another each and every girl on this show has received sympathy from us. They also get backlash. We can sympathize with what happened last night, but it doesn't excuse Farrah's behavior on the show.

Edited December 7, 2016 by SPLAIN

[shelley1234]

Well we seemed to be going back and forth about if Amber could be charged.  Sure, she could be, but it would never happen.  And I said above, if it was me I would have had Matt arrested.  Glad we are all on the same page.  

[SPLAIN]

13 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

Well we seemed to be going back and forth about if Amber could be charged.  Sure, she could be, but it would never happen.  And I said above, if it was me I would have had Matt arrested.  Glad we are all on the same page.  

If Amber was still on parole, it would be a different story. Just because she took a swing at Farrah and missed, doesn't excuse the fact she was trying to hit someone.

Moving on.

Matt is scum. If he can't handle the kind of comments that fly his way, he should remove his ass from the forefront of a tv show.

I can't forget this comment by Cate to Farrah. Slut-shaming trash: http://vh1.tumblr.com/post/97157379716/fighting-words-will-be-exchanged-on-tonights

Edited December 7, 2016 by SPLAIN

[shelley1234]

Yep, she's not....so agree again there.  Totally different ball of wax.  

Matt is scum.  He's a ticking time bomb that Amber is too stupid to see.   I was actually surprised that he wasn't arrested or faced any consequences for what he did.  I think it's probably because it was Michael who seems to always just wanna smooth everything over.  Given how injured he got, he should go back now and file...or at least sue him civilly for damages.  

[Yolo]

44 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Maybe there was an error or mistake in what was being mentioned here. First, I don't think Farrah has a case against Amber, but Michael does against Matt. Second, usually the charge of assault is part of other charges such as battery.

I am lost. Where was it mentioned Farrah should have Amber charged with assault?

@Yolo Of course Farrah is an ass. What does that have to do with how Deb's boyfriend treated Farrah and what does that have to do with the sympathy that is being given to Farrah? At one time or another each and every girl on this show has received sympathy from us. They also get backlash. We can sympathize with what happened last night, but it doesn't excuse Farrah's behavior on the show.

Ok, I just read it again and it didn't come across the way I wanted. She didn't deserve his inappropriate behavior at all. That was suppose to be my take on all of the chicks in a nutshell.

*You know how it is when you're typing fast.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Yolo

[SPLAIN]

@shelley1005 Amber has seen Matt act in a violent manner before. That trip they took to Vegas where he exploded in the hotel room and punched a hole in the wall. We never got the details as to what happened, just that Matt exploded and was mad. I have a feeling Amber has seen that happen many times over the few years they have lived together, but Amber is not telling. Some have hint at DV happening. There is no actual proof, but I do think there is at least some verbal and mental abuse going on. It wouldn't surprise me if one day we do hear that Matt has gone ballistic on Amber.

Your comment about Michael wanting to smooth things over, reminds me of what I read shortly after this fight. Michael gave an interview to Radar, I believe, where he stated that the Amber that he saw at the reunion is not the Amber he has known for 8 years. He seemed very hurt and sad at what transpired only because it involves Amber and his daughter. He stated Matt is the reason for the change in Amber. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by SPLAIN

[FlowerofCarnage]

I keep thinking that these girls slut-shame Farrah for doing porn but probably love Kim Kardashian.

Thank  you for your service, Michael.

I agree that Michael should have had Matt arrested and probably would have but MTV talked him out of it.

So one of Matt's baby momma had to track him down for year in order to serve him court papers. You have a real winner there, Amber.

[shelley1234]

14 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

@shelley1005 Amber has seen Matt act in a violent manner before. That trip they took to Vegas where he exploded in the hotel room and punched a hole in the wall. We never got the details as to what happened, just that Matt exploded and was mad. I have a feeling Amber has seen that happen many times over the few years they have lived together, but Amber is not telling. Some have hint at DV happening. There is no actual proof, but I do think there is at least some verbal and mental abuse going on. It wouldn't surprise me if one day we do hear that Matt has gone ballistic on Amber.

Your comment about Michael wanting to smooth things over, reminds me of what I read shortly after this fight. Michael gave an interview to Radar, I believe, where he stated that the Amber that he saw at the reunion is not the Amber he has known for 8 years. He seemed very hurt and sad at what transpired only because it involves Amber and his daughter. He stated Matt is the reason for the change in Amber. 

Yeah.  Amber should have seen the warning signs then about Matt, but she didn't.   I think Amber thinks that she just has to take whatever she can get....and it's gonna end badly.  The best that could happen is he just swindles her for all her money....the worst is much worse.  He's really emotionally controlling at times too.    Simon has tweeted a few times over to Amber that Matt beats her....and while he is a super duper social media troll, he usually pokes at something that is at least bit true.  

I didn't read that article, thanks for sharing.  Michael is a good guy who I think wants the best for all the girls in the show.  It's such a shame that Matt even thought to raise a hand to him.  Punch Simon?  Fine.   Well, not fine, but at least I understand it.  What the F did Michael ever really do to you?  It didn't matter to Matt....he just came out swinging in defense of his cash cow.  

Edited December 7, 2016 by shelley1005

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

22 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

And it is obvious, to me at least, Amber didn't call off the wedding as much as it was Matt who doesn't want to marry Amber because he would then be 50 percent legally responsible for Amber's debts. He is not going to take on that shit. He is there for moola, cash money, not debts.

They all need a good ass whoopin', serious intervention in the therapy department, meds, and they all need to take ownership and be held accountable for all of their bullshit. But there is one thing I will not and cannot get behind and that is the slut-shaming that has been going on behind and in front of Farrah by the cast members AND MTV ever since she made that damn porn tape. Call Farrah a rude, callous, shallow, vapid, crazy ass questionable mother and daughter, but none of them bitches on the show have no room whatsoever to even begin to point out Farrah's faults nor can they point a finger at anything she did to earn a dollar. As if they are all so high and mighty as they sit there and clutch their imaginary pearls, wearing Mac make-up, sitting in clothes and shoes that they earned by selling their soul and using their children to get what they want - more MTV screen time and MTV money.  Fuck them bitches.

So.much.this.

[CofCinci]

If Farrah would have joined with the other mothers (and I use that term very loosely with Amber and Catelynn) 5) for salary negotiation, they'd call Farrah'a porn "empowering" and attack others for slut shaming her. 

[ReadMeLattice]

I don't think Farrah is so much better, though I was surprised that she didn't let Amber's Jerry Springer act get her going. But the other girls sure do seem to think so and shove that narrative at every turn. They must see their lives very differently than we do.

My hatred has definitely shifted. I had hope for Amber after her prison time, but now it's clear she's by far the least likely to change. She is truly a criminal and physical abuser at heart. 

Also, can we talk about how Ryan was pretty unapologetically like "yeah, why would I work?" Lol!

Edited December 7, 2016 by Lm2162

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

I keep thinking that these girls slut-shame Farrah for doing porn but probably love Kim Kardashian.

 

 

On 12/5/2016 at 11:54 PM, GreatKazu said:

But there is one thing I will not and cannot get behind and that is the slut-shaming that has been going on behind and in front of Farrah by the cast members AND MTV ever since she made that damn porn tape. Call Farrah a rude, callous, shallow, vapid, crazy ass questionable mother and daughter, but none of them bitches on the show have no room whatsoever to even begin to point out Farrah's faults nor can they point a finger at anything she did to earn a dollar. As if they are all so high and mighty as they sit there and clutch their imaginary pearls, wearing Mac make-up, sitting in clothes and shoes that they earned by selling their soul and using their children to get what they want - more MTV screen time and MTV money.  Fuck them bitches.

Farrah pimped out her hoo-ha and sweet cheeks and the rest of the bitches pimped out their teenage sex lives and offspring for a buck. May the ‘ho without sin cast the first broken condom.

[mittsigirl]

13 hours ago, Emmierose said:

This second half was HILARIOUS.  Hee-lar-ious.  

Amber KILLS me with her stomping around in that outfit and laced up shoes.  Get out of the house much there Ambie?  All dressed up with no place to go except to charge the stage like the trash bag that she is for no reason.  Oh wait, Simon and Farrah said Matt looks like a pedophile?  Sure.  Okay, rush the stage and start swinging.  Classic. 

Oh and I find Ambuh's perception that they are calling Matt a pedophile because he's 20 years older than her really rich.  No dummy, that's not why.  You're NOT A CHILD, it's not because of YOU, it's because he looks like a greasy, sweaty, wire rimmed glasses, living in his mother's basement genuine PEDOPHILE.   He's just a con artist scamming you Ambuh, the pedophile statement has nothing to do with you.  The drugs are fogging her brain.

Debra in that horrible synthetic porn wig. Is Fredrick's Of Hollywood still in business?  Just what in the what?  That was some crazy hard to watch shit.  She needs a rubber room.

And yeah, nice clown pants there Cate.  You are too fat for stripes.  I died when someone said she looked like a fat 45 year old clown! Yup!

Farrah usually annoys me but she was surprisingly calm and controlled during her segment.  Good on her for calling out Panda.  If you're not my doctor, then don't act like a doctor when you're asking me questions.   And Simon smirking during Amber's rhino charge and Matt being put in a head lock was Christmas come early.   Trash, trash, trash, and trash.  And were the kids in the back when Ambuh pulled her stunt?  I know Sophia was.  Nice.  Isn't that why Ambuh was arrested the first time?  Because she gave Gary several beat downs with Leah present?  Never change Ambuh.

And Kristina was awesome.  Just nodding and yupping and being diplomatic all while knowing that this was some fucked up shit.  DIED that Ambuh called her "Hun".  So condescending. Kristina has the last laugh though because well, she's Leah's REAL mother. Hun.

I guess this happened after Amber's surgery was all healed up, because how else could she stomp around and be abusive if she wasn't healed. And I wonder if she still thinks of herself as 'classy' with her behaviour at the reunion?

Fredrick's Of Hollywood-LOL-I remember that I was just 9 years old when I snooped in my Mom's drawer, and found them there. I was mesmerized at the 'clothing' they sold, then snooped some more, and found a few items she had bought from them! This led to no good for me, because when I was 10, I found Mom's little vibrator, and burnt out the motor using it! I finally told her what I did when I was in my 30's, she had always wondered what happened to that vibrator! Ah, memories.

[Katt]

I haven't forced my husband to watch TM since it came back but I wanted him to see that fight and paused the DVR there to annoy him while he ate his tea. Halfway through the fight, he said, "hold on, what have all these people in drag got to do with Teen Mom?" Bwahaha! 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Katt

[Booger666]

13 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Furthermore, wasn't one of his tattoos her twitter handle?

They only hate Farrah because she is paid more. 

Was it?  I thought he said it was his old twitter handle?  Which I thought was odd at the time so maybe I misheard.

More importantly, thank you for your service COFCINCI.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Booger666

[TonAmi]

But I wonder what those neighbors in Amber's new fancy schmancy neighborhood will think when they watch this. We know just how classy Amber and Matt think they are. 

Simon's grin during those two boars being let out of the pen was epic. 

The "walkout" was pathetic.

[DangerousMinds]

16 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

Does that matter if the person already has a porn tape out there? lol  I don't think Farrah would be bothered by it. Maybe if she found out she couldn't earn money from it, then she would be pissed.  

 

To me, yes it does matter. Revenge porn is put out there without one partner's consent. And they don't get paid.

[Uncle JUICE]

2 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

To me, yes it does matter. Revenge porn is put out there without one partner's consent. And they don't get paid.

I didn't mean revenge porn on Farrah (though it's no less reprehensible), I meant revenge porn in general.

[DangerousMinds]

16 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

What is in the water? Jenelle and Farrah have been the less gross ones recently. Wtf. 

Smoke and mirrors. IMO Jenelle will always be an irredeemable selfish sociopath. She can't fool me.

[ReadMeLattice]

19 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Smoke and mirrors. IMO Jenelle will always be an irredeemable selfish sociopath. She can't fool me.

I think so too. I always hope not for the sake of the kids, though. 

[AhFillAck]

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 5:02 AM, Marisagf said:

And that was my other fave thing about this brouhaha!  Simon's smiling and Matt in a headlock and also being "escorted" out by two large gentlemen grabbing him, one on each arm.  Actually, the second screen grab gives me life!!!  Bravo, Ahfillack!

I was grinning the whole time while watching Simon in that segment the same way he was grinning while watching the mayhem. To me, there is something infectious about his delight in these things. Even when Farrah is having a meltdown and he's beaming from ear to ear as she rips him a new one, it makes me smile, because you know he just thinks it's all so ridiculous.

[RamonaSenomar]

I had to re-watch this reunion show (thanks, DVR) and its epic fight in greater detail if for no other reason than to delight in Simon's amusement as Amber worked so hard to push people out of the way so she could have at it with Farrah.

If Amber's "I'll defend my man!  Yeah, I'll defend my man!'  You want a piece o' me?!" screaming attitude didn't already have me rolling on the floor, Cate's "trashy bitch!  trashy bitch!" backstage had me howling.  She was behaving like that high school nerd who wants to be accepted by the Queen Bee, knowing that without the Queen Bee, she is quite nothing.  This was punctuated by the walkout scene where everyone followed Maci ...

... but then they all came back to blow kisses and wave to the audience?  Dafuq?  I guess they weren't in such a big hurry to leave after all.  

I know it's been suggested that there might be some DV going on in the Portwood/Baier rental, and I have to speculate that they're both victims of this if it's true.  We've seen Amber hit Gary.  Matt is known to punch holes in walls.  Matt also got extra snippy when he was fully serious with his "when can I have *MY* moment?!  Can I have *MY* moment?!" while slapping one of his hands against the other, almost seeming like he was holding back from slapping his hand against Amber's face.  And we saw Amber swing at Farrah, full on rage mode.

These girls act so goddamned tough, but deep down inside, this is most vulnerable and insecure bunch of girls I have ever witnessed.  Their attempt at maturity is a moot point.  They've become a freak show.  And I still can't wrap my head around the paycheck they get to display all of this vulnerability to us yet claim "all the haters gonna hate".

 

 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

1 hour ago, AhFillAck said:

I was grinning the whole time while watching Simon in that segment the same way he was grinning while watching the mayhem. To me, there is something infectious about his delight in these things. Even when Farrah is having a meltdown and he's beaming from ear to ear as she rips him a new one, it makes me smile, because you know he just thinks it's all so ridiculous.

I feel like Simon is there as a representative of the viewer.

3 minutes ago, RamonaSenomar said:

.I know it's been suggested that there might be some DV going on in the Portwood/Baier rental, and I have to speculate that they're both victims of this if it's true.  We've seen Amber hit Gary.  Matt is known to punch holes in walls.  Matt also got extra snippy when he was fully serious with his "when can I have *MY* moment?!  Can I have *MY* moment?!" while slapping one of his hands against the other, almost seeming like he was holding back from slapping his hand against Amber's face.  And we saw Amber swing at Farrah, full on rage mode.

Absolutely. I think just like Jenelle and {insert any of her soulmates who physically abused her}, Amber is also in a relationship where both partners resort to physical abuse.  She's just "smart" enough now not to do it on camera and to make sure the police aren't called.

[DangerousMinds]

14 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

I don't think Farrah is so much better, though I was surprised that she didn't let Amber's Jerry Springer act get her going. But the other girls sure do seem to think so and shove that narrative at every turn. They must see their lives very differently than we do.

My hatred has definitely shifted. I had hope for Amber after her prison time, but now it's clear she's by far the least likely to change. She is truly a criminal and physical abuser at heart. 

Also, can we talk about how Ryan was pretty unapologetically like "yeah, why would I work?" Lol!

I don't know, Ryan. You rarely see your son, and maybe he will want to attend an expensive university someday? Or god forbid get very sick? Maci has some money, but also has 3 kids to support.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Matt in a headlock with his fat gut hanging over his belt.  Dr. Drew acting concerned.  Simon laughing.  Does it get any better?

 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Snarky McSnarky

[GreatKazu]

16 hours ago, Yolo said:

Look, the bottom line here is THEY ALL SUCK:

 

 

Yep, they sure do. There has never been a disagreement there. They are all assholes. That has been pointed out many times.

There are just moments when many of us will group together and have some sympathy for a certain situation that one of the girls will go through. Just like when Debra's boyfriend put his hands on Farrah. Many of us saw it as inappropriate. A few don't.  Just because Farrah is disliked for the most part, it doesn't mean she is deserving to have her mother's boyfriend manhandle her. Cate is a lazy ass slug and whiny brat who neglects her child and drives under the influence, but that doesn't mean some of us didn't have moments of sympathy for her. Being sympathetic towards people for certain situations should not depend on how they behave or the kind of person they are for the most part. It is not as if Farrah has committed any heinous crimes. She is horrible in more ways than one, we all agree on that. Still, it has no bearing on how many of us feel about how Debra's boyfriend forced her into an embrace.

1 hour ago, AhFillAck said:

I was grinning the whole time while watching Simon in that segment the same way he was grinning while watching the mayhem. To me, there is something infectious about his delight in these things. Even when Farrah is having a meltdown and he's beaming from ear to ear as she rips him a new one, it makes me smile, because you know he just thinks it's all so ridiculous.

I know, right? LOL

[FlowerofCarnage]

Honestly, I don't think Ryan is medically-cleared to work. I mean look at him! I bet if he would be collecting an SSI check(I don't think he has worked enough quarters to qualify for SSD) if it wasn't for the show.

[GreatKazu]

Speaking of Ryan, I'd be pissed to find out if Matt receives more money than Ryan, Larry, and Jen.

I got to thinking of how Matt is upset at how the tabloids are all up in his business. He gave them reason to be. He put his fat face on camera. He has to be front and center all the time. Look at how many years we have watched Ryan, Larry, and Jen on this show and we hardly know shit about them. They have a meltdown several episodes back and to this date, we know nothing about what that was all about. We swept that shit under the rug and have moved on. If there are any skeletons in their closets, we don't know about them because they aren't forcing themselves on camera every chance they get. They aren't talking about the tabloids. They aren't responding to any rumors. Ryan doesn't say much on the show or on the reunion show. I know more about Uncle Bad Touch Dave (Jenelle) and Matt than I do these three.

[lidarose9]

Re: the segment with Ryan's tears. Ryan must be such a disappointment to his parents. Larry and Jen are very clear about what they value in life, and he fails at it all: He hasn't gotten married and had kids, can't even manage to sustain a relationship. He is not a good father to Bentley. He is lazy and does nothing productive with his life or time. He is disinterested in everything, disengaged. He is a perpetual 14-year-old. They must wonder what they did wrong. You can see they want so much to be proud of him, but there is nothing to be proud of. So when he screws up something repeatedly, like being careless with the tools that Larry has worked hard all his life so he can afford to buy, probably takes really good care of them -- when the blow-up comes, it's got heaps of disappointment and anger behind it.

On the other hand, I got a tiny sliver of sympathy for Ryan when he was talking about how Larry used to always "ride him" about sports when he was a kid. Larry probably had pretty explicit expectations of his son and when Ryan didn't measure up, it must have been painful for them both. Jen would be trapped in the middle. Ryan never went full-on teenage rebel, he just learned how to passive-aggressive his way out of situations; Jen fell into a habit of making excuses for him, and Larry fell into a habit of swallowing his anger. Back in the early days, I remember how Larry and Jen used to believe Ryan's complaints, until they realized Maci was not the problem. What a shock that must have been for them. Families are complicated, even without the TV cameras and money.

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Yep, they sure do. There has never been a disagreement there. They are all assholes. That has been pointed out many times.

There are just moments when many of us will group together and have some sympathy for a certain situation that one of the girls will go through. Just like when Debra's boyfriend put his hands on Farrah. Many of us saw it as inappropriate. A few don't.  Just because Farrah is disliked for the most part, it doesn't mean she is deserving to have her mother's boyfriend manhandle her. Cate is a lazy ass slug and whiny brat who neglects her child and drives under the influence, but that doesn't mean some of us didn't have moments of sympathy for her. Being sympathetic towards people for certain situations should not depend on how they behave or the kind of person they are for the most part. It is not as if Farrah has committed any heinous crimes. She is horrible in more ways than one, we all agree on that. Still, it has no bearing on how many of us feel about how Debra's boyfriend forced her into an embrace.

I know, right? LOL

Definitely agree there. Farrah was not the one acting out at the reunion and doesn't deserve to be assaulted or sexually harassed. Pointing that out doesn't mean she doesn't suck or that she is not a generally messed up person.

Amber is the one who started the comparisons..."She was selling her VAGINA while I was in jail." Um, yeah. How does that make YOU look good?!?! Sex toys are perfectly legal and used by many people. Spousal abuse, child neglect and drug use are not. Not to mention that she took care of her daughter high, which in my opinion is abuse. This seems to be a common theme in their trashy circles, though...Leah, Cate, and Amber all subscribe to it. It's ok to be abusive, high, starting Mauryesque fights, drinking while pregnant, going to jail, endangering others with your driving, abandoning your kids, etc., as long as you 1) have a man 2) refer to that man constantly as "my man" 3) harass that man into marriage/engagement and 4) don't strip or make porn, both of which that man has likely consumed (and let's be honest, if they were more attractive they'd consider it). I do not get those values.

I definitely think that overall, Amber is by far the worst, though. It really speaks to our society's values that she can still be considered a good mom by leghumpers even though she's an abusive, violent deadbeat who doesn't work and is marrying another abusive deadbeat. Because she isn't a stripper or something, and claims to be sober. I do think that is really fucked up. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Lm2162

[teapot]

18 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I definitely think that overall, Amber is by far the worst, though. It really speaks to our society's values that she can still be considered a good mom by leghumpers even though she's an abusive, violent deadbeat who doesn't work and is marrying another abusive deadbeat. Because she isn't a stripper or something, and claims to be sober. I do think that is really fucked up. 

see, my thing is, Amber, Maci & Catelynn all have moments where they're sweet or funny or engaging or...seem to have personalities, and are almost likeable at times.  With Farrah all I get is defensive and ready to lash out.  I don't judge anyone for the choices they've made or had to make, and  I think that Deb's boyfriend was a major creeper and I don't agree with that.  Also, I'm sure she's had it tough and kind of continues to now, with all of the hate from her castmembers and the general public. I just do not care for her personality at all.

Edited December 7, 2016 by teapot

[ReadMeLattice]

5 minutes ago, teapot said:

see, my thing is, Amber, Maci & Catelynn all have moments where they're sweet or funny or engaging or...seem to have personalities, and are almost likeable at times.  With Farrah all I get is defensive and ready to lash out.  I think that, though Deb's boyfriend was a major creeper and I don't agree with that, and where I'm sure Farrah has had it tough, and kind of continues to now, with all of the hate from her castmembers and the general public, I just do not care for her personality one bit.

On likability I agree. But in terms of violence/direct harm to others/criminality, I think Amber has the most chance to do harm. She is really scary. I just remember her kicking Gary and how hard she used to hit him. If cameras hadn't been there, she'd have battered somebody at the reunion.

I used to find Amber a little likable, I haven't seen that in a long time. The Matt connection has made me really lose any hope for her. Who doesn't care that somebody abandoned 5+ children? Makes me think she can just fake it a little better. 

Cate, too. I used to have a lot more hope for her. She's turned into somebody really disgusting. But I do think she has a better heart than all the others. 

I don't like Farrah at all. But the other cast members and their uppity attitudes are making it difficult not to point out their many flaws. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Lm2162

[ginger90]

A little late, Amber

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmberLPortwood/status/806376356061839360/photo/1

[Snarky McSnarky]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

A little late, Amber

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmberLPortwood/status/806376356061839360/photo/1

Always sending love, like when she Tweeted "Fuck MTV" three days ago.

[shelley1234]

23 minutes ago, teapot said:

see, my thing is, Amber, Maci & Catelynn all have moments where they're sweet or funny or engaging or...seem to have personalities, and are almost likeable at times.  With Farrah all I get is defensive and ready to lash out.  I don't judge anyone for the choices they've made or had to make, and  I think that Deb's boyfriend was a major creeper and I don't agree with that.  Also, I'm sure she's had it tough and kind of continues to now, with all of the hate from her castmembers and the general public. I just do not care for her personality at all.

No one besides Farrah likes her own personality.  Well...and those leeching off her for something.  She's a narcissistic psychopath. 

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

I feel like Simon is there as a representative of the viewer.

Yes, Simon is the Greek chorus. I'm sure he's slimy in his own right, but I can't help but be entertained by him. He says what everyone is thinking!

 

18 hours ago, shelley1005 said:

Yeah.  Amber should have seen the warning signs then about Matt, but she didn't.

I don't think there WERE any warning signs - because she's just as bad as he is. Water seeks its own level. At first I thought she was just so naive and insecure, not to see what Matt was about. But then I realized, she probably just doesn't see anything wrong. Like she truly doesn't give a fuck about anything from his past, because he's nice to HER NOW. That's all that matters. She hasn't changed at all from her past; in many ways she's worse. Why would she hold Matt to any kind of standard?