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Wait, she needed a friend to tell her taking kids outside to play is something she could do to tire the kids out? Seriously?

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If my parents supported the person who sexually molested me as a child AND also profited from a show that portrayed them as God fearing, loving, better than everyone else parents AND then shunned ME? 

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3 hours ago, lascuba said:

I'd be really surprised if JB were covering expenses for the married adults. If he refused to do it for Jill and Derick when she was still the golden child, why would he do it now when the show isn't at stake and 2 of his kids already wrote books criticizing him/his belief system? Any money he doles out would be a pittance in exchange for whatever work they do for him.

 

My assumption was JB is trying to hold on to control and to keep any of the sons from realizing that they have better prospects getting some certification and maybe moving away from Duggarland.

Honestly, though, I think it's more a reasonable possibility for most of the marrieds rather than a certainty. The only ones I really suspect are relying on JB in some respects are Anna (because where else is the $$ going to come from for the next decade?) and Jessa (I can't quite see a teeny church paying enough to support all of them and their amazon habit, and there's never been any indication that Ben has a second job).

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Salacious Kitty

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24 minutes ago, Absolom said:

In-home hospice isn't there 24/7.  They drop by one to three times a week so wouldn't have any say in filming while the hospice worker isn't there.  

I recall my mother's in home hospice coming every day. Can't say for my dad, since they set up his space, but he died the next day. 

I don't believe JL had hospice. It wasn't mentioned in either of the Duggar tomes. I bet JB sees hospice as a weekness, an inability to take care of his family "in house."

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Absolom

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1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I recall my mother's in home hospice coming every day. Can't say for my dad, since they set up his space, but he died the next day. 

I don't believe JL had hospice. It wasn't mentioned in either of the Duggar tomes. I bet JB sees hospice as a weekness, an inability to take care of his family "in house."

It varies depending on the medical condition and how close the person is to death.  The hospice nurse did check on my mom daily during her last week and we knew it was the last week.  Early on when she went on hospice it was once a week for only a brief visit.  JL looked like he was in the 1 to 3 visits a week stage to me when he was filmed.  

I wonder if the family is so isolated and lacking in education and knowledge that they didn't know about hospice.  Sometimes doctors don't bring it up until way late in the process if then.  

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Notabug

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20 hours ago, Absolom said:

It varies depending on the medical condition and how close the person is to death.  The hospice nurse did check on my mom daily during her last week and we knew it was the last week.  Early on when she went on hospice it was once a week for only a brief visit.  JL looked like he was in the 1 to 3 visits a week stage to me when he was filmed.  

I wonder if the family is so isolated and lacking in education and knowledge that they didn't know about hospice.  Sometimes doctors don't bring it up until way late in the process if then.  

I think there is almost no way they didn't know about hospice.  Didn't JB's father die of cancer?  Oncologists surely are well versed in end-of-life care and would have close ties to multiple options both at home and in a facility to care for the dying.  I've known quite a few oncologists; every single one had an employee in their practice, usually a nurse, whose main responsibility was to support the patient and family and offer assistance in various options for care as the need arose.  Even if they didn't ask, someone would've asked them.

At some point, I presume the decision was made that JB's father's condition was terminal and that no further treatment would be given to try to contain the tumor.  At that point, an end-of-life discussion with the medical caregivers is virtually mandatory at which time the needs and desires of the sick person and the family would be discussed.

I expect JB flatly refused to have a bunch of non-believer hospice workers hanging around the house.  Women wearing pants!  Taking care of his father's bodily functions!  Giving the girls ideas about careers and working outside the home!  Never.

JB probably figured there was a reason he had so many daughters in training to be keepers of the home and that, of course, they would care for his father.  That's the Gothard way.

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Absolom

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All that is the way it should go.  However, JL died in Arkansas not that many years before my step-father died in Arkansas.  Step-dad had terminal cancer.  I asked the oncologist to let me know when it was time for hospice.  Want to know when his office called me?  Seven or eight days before step-dad died.  They had to have known months earlier that it was time.  Not all oncology practices are created equal.  I live out of state and I have to wonder if I hadn't expressed a wish for hospice if they would have brought it up.  

My mother going on hospice in California was a night and day experience.  I was asked in advance and she was evaluated at the first hint she was eligible.  It was a godsend.  

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9 hours ago, Notabug said:

I think there is almost no way they didn't know about hospice.  Didn't JB's father die of cancer?  Oncologists surely are well versed in end-of-life care and would have close ties to multiple options both at home and in a facility to care for the dying.  I've known quite a few oncologists; every single one had an employee in their practice, usually a nurse, whose main responsibility was to support the patient and family and offer assistance in various options for care as the need arose.  Even if they didn't ask, someone would've asked them.

At some point, I presume the decision was made that JB's father's condition was terminal and that no further treatment would be given to try to contain the tumor.  At that point, an end-of-life discussion with the medical caregivers is virtually mandatory at which time the needs and desires of the sick person and the family would be discussed.

I expect JB flatly refused to have a bunch of non-believer hospice workers hanging around the house.  Women wearing pants!  Taking care of his father's bodily functions!  Giving the girls ideas about careers and working outside the home!  Never.

JB probably figured there was a reason he had so many daughters in training to be keepers of the home and that, of course, they would care for his father.  That's the Gothard way.

Plus JB hated his father so he didn't care about the crappy treatment he got. I just hope JB gets the same crappy treatment or worse.

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Salacious Kitty

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There was no mention of any grandparent in her book.

Given what Derrick said about JB suggesting rehab for Derrick for having one beer, I imagine he thought JL was an alcoholic. It's impossible to quantify because we don't know how how much he really drank. Mary never said anything about it, and she's the one who would have known. 

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GeeGolly

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If you step back and look at the Duggars with a bit of neutrality its still hard to see what is cult mentality and what is individual personality traits and what's a mixture of both. We've seen Michelle have visceral reactions to premarital hand holding and a peek of a shoulder. IIRC, the Duggars drove through the night to buy milk from a store that didn't also sell alcohol. And then throw in the show and what is performative?

But IMO, it doesn't really matter. Disrespect is disrespect. These are folks who claim to love the sinner, not the sin. 

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49 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

Derick called in to Dave Ramsey's show, for advice on what to do with Jill's $50K advance. Sounds like they are doing well financially.

https://www.youtube.com/live/cC3TaTzWpxA?app=desktop&si=y0fgYG0GJJelq1QH&t=1h25m07s

What a fuckwad.  

Accounting degrees include finance classes.  He's just trying to flex, declaring publicly what Jill was supposedly advanced.    Such a loser worm.  

He doesn't want advice.  That was just a shot at Jim Bob. 

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Ohiopirate02

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42 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

Derick called in to Dave Ramsey's show, for advice on what to do with Jill's $50K advance. Sounds like they are doing well financially.

https://www.youtube.com/live/cC3TaTzWpxA?app=desktop&si=y0fgYG0GJJelq1QH&t=1h25m07s

Right off the bat, Derick is exaggerating on how much Jill will take home from that fifty grand.  Advances are income, they get taxed by both the IRS and the state.  And, agents take their cut from advances.  I assume Jill has an agent, it's standard practice in publishing at this level.  An agent is what gets you fifty grand instead of half that.

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5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh my goodness. Anyone else laughing at Derick calling into a public show sharing private business? 

I didn't listen to the whole segment, but I did laugh at his "longtime listener, first-time caller."  It also was feeling like this was pre-arranged to sell more copies of Jill's book with the added benefit of sticking it to JB.  

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lascuba

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He is absolutely ridiculous and so much like JB. I've never listened to Ramsey (I can't take anyone or anything that fundies support seriously), but I know enough about him to have a pretty good idea of what he'd suggest for a $50K windfall (that will probably be 30K when all is said and done). But longtime listener Derick just has to call in? Yeah, this is absolutely a prearranged mutual advertisement. I expect that Jill will eventually post a glowing review of Ramsey and how his super unique, specialized advice help her family.

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Ohiopirate02

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11 minutes ago, lascuba said:

 I expect that Jill will eventually post a glowing review of Ramsey and how his super unique, specialized advice help her family.

Derick and Jill have been praising Ramsey for years, Dave is just repaying them here.  I did listen long enough to catch Derick admit someone from Dave's organization or family had reached out to Jill.  

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I listened to Dave Ramsey years ago - before he became syndicated - when I was driving to or from work (2 different jobs).  I am now ashamed to even admit that I did though. 
This seemed like a humble brag from Derick. "See how young we are and are completely debt free and how much money we made from my wife's story."  And if I'm completely honest with myself, I will admit I'm jealous to be that young and debt-free.  He is like JB more than he would ever want to admit.  
 

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Salacious Kitty

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3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Right off the bat, Derick is exaggerating on how much Jill will take home from that fifty grand.  Advances are income, they get taxed by both the IRS and the state.  And, agents take their cut from advances.  I assume Jill has an agent, it's standard practice in publishing at this level.  An agent is what gets you fifty grand instead of half that.

I wonder if the 50k was their take home cut out of a 100k advance?

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Ohiopirate02

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Just now, Salacious Kitty said:

I wonder if the 50k was their take home cut out of a 100k advance?

It might be or Jill got a 150k advance.  Derick did say Jill got the 50k on release day which is in line with how advances are usually doled out.  Typical advances are distributed in thirds--one third when the deal is reached, one third when you complete the manuscript, and the final third on release day.  Advances are supposed to help an author pay their bills while completing the manuscript, and most authors get a book deal based on a proposal and not a completed manuscript.  The first third tides you over while writing the book, the second tides you over during the editorial process, and the final one is payment for all the work to get to release day.  And then, royalties kick in months or years later when the book earns out per your contract.  Jill had help writing this book, so she got her deal based on the proposal she and Derick have been shopping around for a while.  

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Dehumidifier

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Wow! I thought debt free for them would be debt free besides a mortgage (which i know Ramsey doesn't believe in but most people have to get.) He said the house is fully paid for. How on earth? 

He also said their emergency fund is $50K. So it was $0 before the check?

 

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My sister is a trained Dave Ramsey Financial Freedom and/or Financial Peace leader at her church. She says certain mortgage debt is ok by Dave's teaching. I can't remember the specifics, but something like no more than x amount of income and no more than a 15yr mortgage. Then pay of early if possible.

 

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SnapHappy

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51 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

 Jill had help writing this book, so she got her deal based on the proposal she and Derick have been shopping around for a while.  

Jill told her story to a writer.  Jill can't write anything without like, ya know, like a lot of like ya know, YAY type kinda stuff, like ya know? 

She & Derrick told her story and answered questions.

A WRITER wrote the book. 

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Dehumidifier

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11 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

My sister is a trained Dave Ramsey Financial Freedom and/or Financial Peace leader at her church. She says certain mortgage debt is ok by Dave's teaching. I can't remember the specifics, but something like no more than x amount of income and no more than a 15yr mortgage. Then pay of early if possible.

 

Yes, he prefers buying a house with cash but accepts that in high cost areas in particular it may be necessary. 

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Ohiopirate02

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29 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said:

Wow! I thought debt free for them would be debt free besides a mortgage (which i know Ramsey doesn't believe in but most people have to get.) He said the house is fully paid for. How on earth? 

He also said their emergency fund is $50K. So it was $0 before the check?

 

Derick is being Derick here.  

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, Dehumidifier said:

Wow! I thought debt free for them would be debt free besides a mortgage (which i know Ramsey doesn't believe in but most people have to get.) He said the house is fully paid for. How on earth? 

He also said their emergency fund is $50K. So it was $0 before the check?

I think they used a chunk of Jill's payout to buy their first home. If they made some money off that and got a good deal on the home they're in, I could see them possibly owning the house outright.

With that said, I would be surprised if they did own the house outright. First because the numbers would be super tight and because Derick is known to stretch the truth.

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BetyBee

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Derick is being Derick here.  

He even started the call with "Welcome Derick" and then laughed at himself. I've heard callers to radio stations do that, so I get it. They're usually on hold for a long time. I listened to the whole segment. I think Derick is proud of having a paid off mortgage and the max he can contribute to retirement. And actually, it is impressive that they're debt free at such a young age. I have heard him express admiration for Dave Ramsey. We used DR's snowball plan to knock down our credit card debt many years ago, though we never paid for any of his information. I know Derick isn't too popular here, but I don't blame Derick for being proud of the way they are handling their finances, especially for going to law school and upping his earning potential. I detest JimBob and I think Jill and Derick have every right to write the book and to show JB they don't need him to live their best lives. 

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Ohiopirate02

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3 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

He even started the call with "Welcome Derick" and then laughed at himself. I've heard callers to radio stations do that, so I get it. They're usually on hold for a long time. I listened to the whole segment. I think Derick is proud of having a paid off mortgage and the max he can contribute to retirement. And actually, it is impressive that they're debt free at such a young age. I have heard him express admiration for Dave Ramsey. We used DR's snowball plan to knock down our credit card debt many years ago, though we never paid for any of his information. I know Derick isn't too popular here, but I don't blame Derick for being proud of the way they are handling their finances, especially for going to law school and upping his earning potential. I detest JimBob and I think Jill and Derick have every right to write the book and to show JB they don't need him to live their best lives. 

Oh, when I say Derick is being Derick, I'm thinking of some of his past tweets.  Like when he claimed to have worked since the age of 5 or when he claimed Jill is more educated than some random Twitter user (and all other snarkers).  The man will stretch the truth to fit whatever narrative he is currently pushing.  He's on Dave Ramsey's show, so naturally he's going to paint him and Jill as perfect adherents to Dave Ramsey's methods.  He also used the show to brag about Jill's advance from her publisher while conveniently leaving out things like her agent's cut and taxes.  Yes, Gallery Books cut her a check for 50 grand, but that is not the amount of money Jill and Derick get to keep.  

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

 I know Derick isn't too popular here, but I don't blame Derick for being proud of the way they are handling their finances, especially for going to law school and upping his earning potential. I detest JimBob and I think Jill and Derick have every right to write the book and to show JB they don't need him to live their best lives. 

I'd be more impressed if he earned the money like the average 34 year old. In the 9 years since we've 'known' him he spent 2 years begging for donations and has worked less than 3 years.

Well I guess in one way that in and of itself is pretty impressive as I don't know of any typical person who can say they worked for 3 years and own a home debt free.

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SnapHappy

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I imagine Dickhead's bragging about the piles of money they've made on publishing the Duggar saga is going to make all of Jill's siblings SO proud of her. All that cash for her & Dillwad to spew out every story.  Just gets the warm fuzzies going. 

That's sure going to make them desperate to bring her back into the family fold, because it's all truth, according to Jill & Dillweed.     Yep, the 5 little Dillards are all set.  

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jschoolgirl

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3 hours ago, Dehumidifier said:

Wow! I thought debt free for them would be debt free besides a mortgage (which i know Ramsey doesn't believe in but most people have to get.) He said the house is fully paid for. How on earth? 

He also said their emergency fund is $50K. So it was $0 before the check?

 

I don’t think $50K is enough for a family of five, even given where they live.

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Ohiopirate02

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8 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

I don’t think $50K is enough for a family of five, even given where they live.

If Derick is telling the truth and their house is paid off, so are their cars, Derick has paid off his student loans, and they are properly insured. then 50k is enough of an emergency fund.  Honestly, it's more than enough to cover their expenses for 6 months or less if Derick found himself unable to work.

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lascuba

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56 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'd be more impressed if he earned the money like the average 34 year old. In the 9 years since we've 'known' him he spent 2 years begging for donations and has worked less than 3 years.

Well I guess in one way that in and of itself is pretty impressive as I don't know of any typical person who can say they worked for 3 years and own a home debt free.

Imagine essentially marrying into money and then bragging about your financial acumen. It's very "born on third and thinks he hit a triple."

17 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

Derick’s law school loans are paid off?

From what I understand, he only needed loans for part of his tuition, since he paid a chunk of it with the JB payout and he claims he recieved a partial scholarship as well.

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