Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Future Cat Lady]

52 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I'm fairly certain that many of the Duggars believe that Josh was set up. They might think he cheats and does  those "normal curious guy things" --- but in this particular case its the tabloids, the feds, the "others" who are out to bring Josh down. It's about the feds rushing to point the finger at the "celebrity." 

That's the thing. We have no clue what they really think. Do they finally realize what a POS Josh is, do they think he's being persectuted by the evil liberals or something in between?

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, CouchTater said:

Off-topic, but I'm going to have a new great-nephew within the next week or so (my niece is due to be induced on 12/10, but baby is making his own moves right now).

His name:  Josiah.  😐  I find Josiah Duggar to be one of the least offensive Dugs (I think?  Who knows?), so there's that I guess.

But I'll love my Josiah anyway.  🙂

At the very least, Josiah has been smart enough to mostly stay off SM. I would likely have slightly more positive opinions about all of them if they didn’t advertise their awfulness on a daily basis. 

[SusanM]

Just now, Future Cat Lady said:

That's the thing. We have no clue what they really think. Do they finally realize what a POS Josh is, do they think he's being persectuted by the evil liberals or something in between?

The thing that gets me is that even if they believe, or choose to believe, that he's not guilty of this specific thing they know what he was like to live with while they were growing up.  The family may be guilty of downplaying Josh's deviant behavior but there is no way they didn't acknowledge what he was doing.  

[GeeGolly]

So Matthew Waller is Josh's BFF's brother? Does anyone know if David has weighed in on any of this? I think David was a groomsman in the recent AR Reber wedding. I wonder if he checked in on his buddy.

[quickjessie]

1 hour ago, SnapHappy said:

Maybe she doesn't actually remember anything.  Maybe she HAS gotten help, but just hasn't broadcast it to the world on social media.  Maybe she's prayed on it and is confident God will make things fine.  Maybe she's decided to let the Justice system do it's job. 

Not everybody has to go to therapy.  Really.  

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Not everybody has to go but everybody should go.  If I ruled the world there would be mandatory therapy classes K-12.  

[Tuxcat]

from the sun articles:

JOSH DUGGAR RELATIVE ACCUSED OF NOT BEING TRUTHFUL AT TRIAL

Matthew Waller, who is a distant relative to Josh Duggar and a previous employee of Josh's car lot, which housed the computer that accessed the child sexual abuse materials via the dark web, took the stand at Duggar's trial on Thursday.

Matthew had previously stated that he did not know the password needed to access the dark web, but when defense attorneys asked if he recognized the phrase "Intell1988" he had a different answer.

According to our reporter in the courtroom, Matthew said the password: "Rings a bell."

During cross-examination, US Assistant Attorney Dustin Roberts began loudly questioning the witness, our reporter confirms.

"Was there something you're not telling me?" he asked angrily. 

"You didn't tell me or law enforcement about Intell1988? I told you I thought you were hiding something from me."

_____

So the prosecution argued that no one else had access to the "dark web." The password is Intell1988 (josh born in 1988). But then the defense asked waller if it sounded familiar and he said yes thereby implying he also accessed. Then the prosecution gets all upset. But to me, the prosecution getting upset actually makes it worse? Who cares if other people had access. They have time stamps that put Josh at the car lot at the time of the downloads - not waller. The prosecution said "I told you I thought you were hiding something from me" makes it seem like it's waller who is the creepy suspect. 

Am I reading this wrong?

[quarks]

4 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

What was the line of reasoning to not allow Josh's prior history of "porn addiction?" I can understand throwing out the Ashley Madison stuff. But the past porn issue was relevant (he has covenant eyes on his computer after all) and there was both adult porn and children images being downloaded at the same time?

The court said it was irrelevant and potentially prejudicial. 

The document can be read here:

 https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.93.0.pdf

 

 

[SJC]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Jerk face.

[LexieLily]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Matthew Waller is a brother of Anna's brother-in-law (Anna's sister's husband), right? So he's barely a relative of Anna, much less Josh.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

Matthew Waller testified in court on Thursday that he worked at Wholesale Motors until mid to late April 2019, according to a Sun reporter at the trial.

His last check commission date was April 29, 2019.

The alleged crime occurred at the site in May 2019.

Sure seems like a lot of employees for a dinky tollbooth “business.” There weren’t enough family members to handle it?

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I have some bad news...

Though can The Sun really be described as a publication?

Ah, I thought that this picture was from today and yesterday's was the one described as dapper.  But point taken about the Sun.  

[GeeGolly]

Just now, LexieLily said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Matthew Waller is a brother of Anna's brother-in-law (Anna's sister's husband), right? So he's barely a relative of Anna, much less Josh.

Very true. But David has been BFFs with Josh for years.

[lascuba]

12 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

That's the thing. We have no clue what they really think. Do they finally realize what a POS Josh is, do they think he's being persectuted by the evil liberals or something in between?

Frankly, I don't think they care. I think all the Duggars have been "us against those hating ass heathens" for so long that they don't react beyond that. Someone's attacking one of their family members? It's time to close ranks. Why that sibling is being "attacked" doesn't matter.

[GeeGolly]

Court is breaking now. The Sun will be updating.

[CalicoKitty]

Is David Waller the one who had the mud wrestling session with Josh?  They looked like close friends then, so I'm guessing Josh is very good friends with the Wallers.

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, SJC said:

Jerk face.

Hilaria too. Maybe they should have seen just what gets Josh off. 

[SusanM]

Just now, lascuba said:

Why that sibling is being "attacked" doesn't matter.

That is probably the saddest thing I've read here.  That these people may not care that children were being abused just appalls me.

[peppergal]

41 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Explain technical terminology, people! A lot can ride on that! (rant rant rant! -- it drives me crazy that people use specialized definitions that they have to know will mislead people in situations like this where it's so important!) 

 

 

Totally!  I've been stuck in the position of being a "geek translator" at work before.  We'd have technical people saying something like "The pre-boot firmware has a bug in the PXE code and the BIOS team is working on it.  We should have a dash version from pre-BVT this afternoon for verification and the BVT should be ready in post plus 12"  and the project managers would just look at me and I'd say something like "BIOS is broken so we can't boot, Bob is fixing it and will give us his fix in a few hours.  If it works, we can release the official code 12 hours after that" 

The way I've heard hard drive partitions described is that they are like townhouses.  They are next to each other and share a wall, but they each have their own front door (though you can key them all to use the same key if you want).  While in theory you can cut hole in the wall to be able to see into the other townhouse without leaving the first one, you can still only be in one physically at a time, and it is really hard to hide that hole if someone who knows what they are doing is looking for it.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

I don’t like or feel sorry for Michelle. Nor do I understand the way she has handled things.  But I can almost, almost, give her a pass for not being there. I said almost.  While I would think I would want to be there to support my child, a mother also knows her child. She knows what he has done and what he is capable of doing.  Maybe she can’t be there because she knows there’s a possibility at least some of this is true (Spoiler alert: It’s all true), and she doesn’t really want to have that confirmed. I don’t know if I’d be able to treat my son the same after learning something like this about him. How do you love a monster? How do you interact with him knowing without a shadow of a doubt he did such horrendous things? Perhaps it’s easier to continue to deal with him this way. 

Yet she has had no problems allowing him to live on her property, with dozens of small children present regularly (not to mention 7 in his own home). If she does realize what he is, she is almost just as bad for continuing to allow this.

[hathorlive]

8 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

from the sun articles:

JOSH DUGGAR RELATIVE ACCUSED OF NOT BEING TRUTHFUL AT TRIAL

Matthew Waller, who is a distant relative to Josh Duggar and a previous employee of Josh's car lot, which housed the computer that accessed the child sexual abuse materials via the dark web, took the stand at Duggar's trial on Thursday.

Matthew had previously stated that he did not know the password needed to access the dark web, but when defense attorneys asked if he recognized the phrase "Intell1988" he had a different answer.

According to our reporter in the courtroom, Matthew said the password: "Rings a bell."

During cross-examination, US Assistant Attorney Dustin Roberts began loudly questioning the witness, our reporter confirms.

"Was there something you're not telling me?" he asked angrily. 

"You didn't tell me or law enforcement about Intell1988? I told you I thought you were hiding something from me."

_____

So the prosecution argued that no one else had access to the "dark web." The password is Intell1988 (josh born in 1988). But then the defense asked waller if it sounded familiar and he said yes thereby implying he also accessed. Then the prosecution gets all upset. But to me, the prosecution getting upset actually makes it worse? Who cares if other people had access. They have time stamps that put Josh at the car lot at the time of the downloads - not waller. The prosecution said "I told you I thought you were hiding something from me" makes it seem like it's waller who is the creepy suspect. 

Am I reading this wrong?

It's probably the password for the computer.  The dark web doesn't really have a password.  The prosecution is making a deal out of it so the jury understands he changed his story and that it's probably because Josh is "kind of family".

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

The government next called Marshall Kennedy, a Sun reporter in the courtroom revealed.

He works with Homeland Security on forensic computer evidence.

He testified that they were only able to do a partial extraction of a phone because they didn't have a passcode for it.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Lindsay Loo Hoo

[Boston]

17 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

That's the thing. We have no clue what they really think. Do they finally realize what a POS Josh is, do they think he's being persectuted by the evil liberals or something in between?

They are 2 boobs (one from a boob) who have no education and know nothing.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

nevermind

Edited December 2, 2021 by Lindsay Loo Hoo

[Tuxcat]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

It's probably the password for the computer.  The dark web doesn't really have a password.  The prosecution is making a deal out of it so the jury understands he changed his story and that it's probably because Josh is "kind of family".

Well it's working because I am now confused. LOL I thought the password was JoshuaJJ to the computer and then there may have been a secondary password to access the Linux - Intell1988. 

10 minutes ago, quarks said:

The court said it was irrelevant and potentially prejudicial. 

The document can be read here:

 https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.93.0.pdf

 

 

so helpful! thank you!

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Next, defense cross-examined Kennedy.

He was at the November 2019 raid and said four federal agents were there.

He said there was no child sexual assault material on the Mac laptop of iPhone, according to a Sun reporter in the courtroom.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

Grub Hub doesn't really care what hours you work, only that the fries are still hot when you deliver them.  And you don't forget the ketchup. 

Anything wrong with that? It’s honest work that I and others have also done (and I have a masters degree and so do many others who have done it). The flexible part is it is HUGE to so many. I give Derrick major kudos for doing what he needed to to support his family, WHILE going to law school full time. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Cinnabon

[hathorlive]

4 minutes ago, peppergal said:

Totally!  I've been stuck in the position of being a "geek translator" at work before.  We'd have technical people saying something like "The pre-boot firmware has a bug in the PXE code and the BIOS team is working on it.  We should have a dash version from pre-BVT this afternoon for verification and the BVT should be ready in post plus 12"  and the project managers would just look at me and I'd say something like "BIOS is broken so we can't boot, Bob is fixing it and will give us his fix in a few hours.  If it works, we can release the official code 12 hours after that" 

The way I've heard hard drive partitions described is that they are like townhouses.  They are next to each other and share a wall, but they each have their own front door (though you can key them all to use the same key if you want).  While in theory you can cut hole in the wall to be able to see into the other townhouse without leaving the first one, you can still only be in one physically at a time, and it is really hard to hide that hole if someone who knows what they are doing is looking for it.

It scares me that I totally understood you at PXE code, lol.  That townhouse analogy is awesome!  

3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Well it's working because I am now confused. LOL I thought the password was JoshuaJJ to the computer and then there may have been a secondary password to access the Linux - Intell1988. 

so helpful! thank you!

Well damn, now I'm confused.  I need transcripts people!

[Churchhoney]

32 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

So Matthew Waller is Josh's BFF's brother? Does anyone know if David has weighed in on any of this? I think David was a groomsman in the recent AR Reber wedding. I wonder if he checked in on his buddy.

Seems likely to me that while David really admired and liked Josh (partly because Josh was held up as a potential leader of men and David looked up to that and wished he could be that instead of the guy in the apron), Josh never exactly returned the admiration.

I'd bet the criminal-record type of IBLP guys have always been more Josh's speed.  I've always sort of pictured Josh ridiculing David behind his back while chatting about skirting the law or some such with the Caleb Williams sort of IBLPers.😬  I mean, strangers on the internet routinely ridicule David Waller for things  he can't help and not just about the pecan-thief fhing.....So if that happens, I'm sure Josh has directed plenty of viciousness at DW, at least behind his back if not to his face.  

According to the I Pray You Put This Journal Away guy, Josh could be quite the vicious backstabbing creep to other guys who trusted him. As when IPYPTJA Justin confided in him about some abuse he experienced from one of the adult men. Josh immediately snitched on Justin for being a snitch and increased his problems. (according to Justin, of course. But he does come across as more credible than Josh usually does, to me anyway.)  

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Kennedy testified that the HP desktop was clearly a work computer because of the ads and software on it.

He said it had two partitions with no trace of child sexual abuse material.

He said a partition was installed on May 11, 2019, according to a Sun reporter at the trial.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Who the hell adjusts their freaking tie while getting their temp check?   It's not a dating app JOSH.

This is giving him faaaar too much credit for trying to do the right thing.   More like, he liked, he did it, he found there were no REAL consequences for doing it, so he kept doing it.   Heck, not only no REAL consequences, he was still touted as the GOLDEN BOY, the heir to the kingdom EVEN AFTERWARDS.   he got given a submissive wife who will NEVER question what he does, who will always think him perfect.   I will believe he never wanted kids.   But only because he would no longer be the center of the universe.   Kids would make it HARDER for him to do the things he wanted to when he wanted to.   that's it.  

 

I do feel for the siblings.   Families are complicated.   It's easy to say "Well if my brother molested me I would never ever speak to him again and I would hate my parents for protecting him."   But its more complicated than that.   So I feel for all the innocents in this.   All the siblings and all the kids.   They didn't ask to be part of this circus.   Anna, JB and Michelle, no sympathy at all.   

I get that the siblings‘ feelings are complicated, but there is no excuse for continuing to allow their own kids to regularly be in his presence.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Kennedy also said the partition had a user account that was not a generated username.

He also said there was no Tor browser on the Mac laptop.

[GeeGolly]

Ftom the Sun -

He said there was no child sexual assault material on the Mac laptop or iPhone, according to a Sun reporter in the courtroom.

Kennedy testified that the HP desktop was clearly a work computer because of the ads and software on it.

He said it had two partitions with no trace of child sexual abuse material.

My question now is, where did they find the CSA?

Edited December 2, 2021 by GeeGolly

[hathorlive]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Anything wrong with that? It’s honest work that I and others have also done (and I have a masters degree and so so many others who have done it).

It's the notion that he didn't pass the bar on the first attempt not that he works for Grub Hub.  To which I remind people that Simone Biles found out a few weeks before the Olympics that the FBI did nothing with the case against Nassar, no one took the victims seriously, and that so many girls were abused due to the inaction.  And then we wonder why her mental state was fucked up during the Olympics.  So maybe we understand that Derrick has spent much of his time this year supporting his wife after her brother was arrested for CP.  I'm pretty sure he's had his hands full and it's affected his study time.  Not to mention that a high percentage of people fail the bar on their first attempt. 

I'm actually impressed that Derrick doesn't mind working gig jobs to bring in some extra money.  Nothing wrong with working an honest job to pay bills.

There you go.  I've actually defended Derrick. I hope you are all happy, lol. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Marshall Kennedy continued to talk about the tech and devices next.

He said a torrent program was used in 2017 for downloading movies on the Mac.

A torrent program was found on the HP computer, on the Windows side.

Marshall said he did not look for "transmission" on any devices.

[iwantcookies]

Is that Bernie Sanders?

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Another pic for my collection of “douches giving the thumbs up sign). Yes, it really exists. I HATE the thumbs up sign, including emjojis! 🤣

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

During the trial, the courtroom heard that torrent five files were downloaded but were fragmented, the Sun reporter at the trial said.

They were described but will not be named here.

Kennedy said they were not viewable at the time.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

3 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Is that Bernie Sanders?

That was my first thought too but Bernie wouldn’t rub elbows with these regressionists!

[iwantcookies]

I thought Austin’s license was suspended? My understanding is that he is not that competent in building as he portrays himself. If he was such a great provider Joy wouldn’t be Promoting merchandise  on SM.

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Annb67 said:

It’s clear that Jim Bob small dick summoned the family members to court to support golden dick perv boy. Kudos to the ones I haven’t seen yet. 

And maybe Justin and Austin still are on the receiving end of JB’s $$$. Why else would they continue to do his bidding on this?

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Next, Gelfand questioned Marshall Kennedy.

He testified that he did not review or examine data from a router that Gelfand showed because an IP and password were needed.

Gelfand asked about remote access and Kennedy said he did not look into it.

The prosecution then got up to question Marshall again, and he said someone could have viewed child sexual abuse material on the Mac or iPhone but he would be unable to confirm.

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, Wofford may have said the correct thing, but didn't clarify so the reporter (and others in the courtroom and readers ) got kind of the wrong impression.

A general-assignment reporter gets sent to cover this kind of thing.....And that person didn't realize that the computer-related definition of "partition" isn't the same as the general definition of "partition." 

The general definition of partition, the one that people without specialized computer knowledge know as the main noun-definition is this -- "a structure dividing a space into two parts, especially a light interior wall," IOW, the ordinary definition of "partition" is the WALL between the two parts ..... 

In computing, the definition of "partition" is one of those PARTS..... "Each of a number of portions into which some operating systems divide memory or storage." 

And when you're trying to write a story instantly, and trials -- or just anything they tell you to report on, more likely -- are your beat and not computers, you wouldn't know this.

I think we absolutely have to cut the reporter some slack here (largely, I suppose, because I'm a reporter.....Still.....) Meanwhile, people in the computer industry like Wofford -- who know perfectly well that there are different definitions and that they don't use the one that the general public knows and regularly uses -- still often don't bother to explain the difference in terminology,  Instead, people with technical vocabularies usually just charge ahead using words with specific, technical definitions without telling anybody.

It would have taken Wofford a couple seconds to explain how his use of the word "partition" wasn't the one most people are used to.......And in a courtroom where there's a jury and reporters, all of whom need to understand what's going on but aren't knowledgeable about his field, he ought to have helped them to understand by doing this.....But his Linkedin profile suggests that he's kind of a massive grump....so that may explain why he didn't! (if he didn't) 

Explain technical terminology, people! A lot can ride on that! (rant rant rant! -- it drives me crazy that people use specialized definitions that they have to know will mislead people in situations like this where it's so important!) 

End of rant. 

 

Like the “difference “ between words like “vaccinated “ and “inoculated?” 🤣 look that one up if you don’t get the reference.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Gelfand for the defense then asked Marshall about programs that could erase such material.

Marshall said he found no programs on the computer that could erase it, according to a Sun reporter at the trial.

[Zella]

27 minutes ago, deaja said:

Ah, I thought that this picture was from today and yesterday's was the one described as dapper.  But point taken about the Sun.  

You are correct! The red tie matching the red thermos suit from yesterday is what the Sun billed dapper. Lol 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Next, James Fottrell, the Director of the Department of Justice for Child Exploitation was called.

Fottrell testifies that he was involved in reviewing the evidence in the case.

In a recreation, he walked the court through getting into Josh Duggar's laptop, the Sun reporter at the trial said.

Wholesale Motors was the only user and it had a screensaver of Josh, Anna Duggar, and some of their children.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Fottrell then showed the court Ubuntu, the Linux operating system, which was downloaded on May 11, 2019, the Sun reporter at the trial revealed.

He also showed other software that could download Linux with a thumb drive.

[Cinnabon]

51 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Austin seems to be doing okay. And he appears to be thrifty, per the tiny RV they lived in while working on their house.  At least he is independent from JB and doesn't appear to be allergic to work.

IS he truly independent from JB, though?

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, Lindsay Loo Hoo said:

Next, James Fottrell, the Director of the Department of Justice for Child Exploitation was called.

Fottrell testifies that he was involved in reviewing the evidence in the case.

In a recreation, he walked the court through getting into Josh Duggar's laptop, the Sun reporter at the trial said.

Wholesale Motors was the only user and it had a screensaver of Josh, Anna Duggar, and some of their children.

This should be the entire family's worst nightmare.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Fottrell then testified that the Windows side of the computer had business-related things, according to the Sun reporter at the courthouse.

The court was then shown the partition side, which Kennedy said needed to be physically booted up.

The username, DELL_ONE, was displayed. It is not a default name.

Intell1988 was the password.

JUST NOW

PARTITION SIDE REVEALED

The Sun reporter in the courtroom noted that the partition side of the computer had mountains as the wallpaper, not Josh Duggar, his wife Anna, and their kids.

The court was able to see the Tor browser icon and transmission, which both would have to be installed.

[Cinnabon]

36 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

That is probably the saddest thing I've read here.  That these people may not care that children were being abused just appalls me.

Exactly. I want all media to go big with this and emphasize their deplorable hypocrisy. They are in no way “pro life.”