Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Finally, before break, the court was told that Tor allows you to be anonymous.

It can hide your identity, but it was noted by Gelfand that people can use it to go on normal websites, and that it is much slower.

[Cinnabon]

32 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

It's the notion that he didn't pass the bar on the first attempt not that he works for Grub Hub.  To which I remind people that Simone Biles found out a few weeks before the Olympics that the FBI did nothing with the case against Nassar, no one took the victims seriously, and that so many girls were abused due to the inaction.  And then we wonder why her mental state was fucked up during the Olympics.  So maybe we understand that Derrick has spent much of his time this year supporting his wife after her brother was arrested for CP.  I'm pretty sure he's had his hands full and it's affected his study time.  Not to mention that a high percentage of people fail the bar on their first attempt. 

I'm actually impressed that Derrick doesn't mind working gig jobs to bring in some extra money.  Nothing wrong with working an honest job to pay bills.

There you go.  I've actually defended Derrick. I hope you are all happy, lol. 

Those out there assuming all gig workers are uneducated /undereducated peons who can’t get anything better are likely those of the laptop class who were fortunate enough to continue to work from home and collect their regular paychecks during the pandemic. Usually WHILE using apps to get their own food and groceries delivered. There are many highly educated gig workers. Some have disabilities that don’t allow them to get “regular” jobs. Many found themselves having to stay home with their kids during the pandemic and needed work with absolute flexibility. 
 Topic - I also applaud Derrick for proudly doing honest work.

[hathorlive]

19 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

This should be the entire family's worst nightmare.

Okay, he's a big dog in forensics.  If they didn't look for remote access, I'm going to retract that about him.

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Those out there assuming all gig workers are uneducated /undereducated peons who can’t get anything better are likely those of the laptop class who were fortunate enough to continue to work from home and collect their regular paychecks during the pandemic. Usually WHILE using apps to get their own food and groceries delivered. There are many highly educated gig workers. Some have disabilities that don’t allow them to get “regular” jobs. Many found themselves having to stay home with their kids during the pandemic and needed work with absolute flexibility. 
 Topic - I also applaud Derrick for proudly doing honest work.

I'm trying to save up for a house. I've considered doing this kind of work and I'm one of those privileged enough to work from home, though I didn't because I like my lab.  Nothing wrong with doing anything legal to pay the bills.  But seriously, this is a stab at Derrick being a shiftless layabout, who floats from thing to thing with no career in sight. 

[hathorlive]

Okay, for WOACB's behalf, let's talk passcodes/words.  I do NOT need your password to get into your computer,  UNLESS it's a newer Mac or it's encrypted with something like BiTlocker. And Chromebooks.  So 98% of the computers come into my lab, I remove the hard drive and image it and I have your info.  The Prosecutors weren't going after Matthew because he knew the password to the computer and didn't give it to them, which stopped them from getting into the computer.  They were upset that he was changing his testimony for the defense. 

With phones, we can and do break into your iPhones regularly.  Yes, there are some that we can't get into right now, but we usually break the passcode, if given time.  It all has to do with if the phone is powered on and has been opened with the passcode once before you got the phone.  That is easier for us to break.  Most cell phones we can get into without problems.  Not giving us your iPhone passcode but backing your phone up to your computer makes us VERY happy.  That's how they got the phone info that places Josh behind the computer while the files were downloaded.

Just in case KJ reads here.  You don't know much about computers, dear.  

[Cinnabon]

20 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Okay, he's a big dog in forensics.  If they didn't look for remote access, I'm going to retract that about him.

I'm trying to save up for a house. I've considered doing this kind of work and I'm one of those privileged enough to work from home, though I didn't because I like my lab.  Nothing wrong with doing anything legal to pay the bills.  But seriously, this is a stab at Derrick being a shiftless layabout, who floats from thing to thing with no career in sight. 

As someone who worked on the side while going to grad school full time (including an unpaid internship 3 days a week), it’s the opposite of being any kind of layabout. You’re busy every moment of the day when not sleeping. And in Derrick‘s case, he did all that while also having a clingy wife and 2 small kids. 

[crazy8s]

51 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

I thought Austin’s license was suspended? My understanding is that he is not that competent in building as he portrays himself. If he was such a great provider Joy wouldn’t be Promoting merchandise  on SM.

Austin's license was expired for a bit, but has since been renewed. I suspect he is working the new duggar money making scheme along with Jase and Josiah (who each hold the same license, as does Jeer) their llcs and dwain swanson's llc  have snapped up a bunch of vacant lots in Bella Vista for between $2,000 and $15,000, slapping up cookie cutter type houses and then Joe "lists" them for $350,000 to $400,000. though they most often say pending the first day listed.

I can find no properties in austin's name other than the house they live in and none in the names of his 2 llcs

[Lukeysboat]

2 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

She never said anything about her trauma that is why she needs to go to a therapist

Didn’t say anything to whom? We really don’t know how Joy has addressed her past. How do you know she hasn’t seen a therapist? Or even feels the needs to?

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Austin's license was expired for a bit, but has since been renewed. I suspect he is working the new duggar money making scheme along with Jase and Josiah (who each hold the same license, as does Jeer) their llcs and dwain swanson's llc  have snapped up a bunch of vacant lots in Bella Vista for between $2,000 and $15,000, slapping up cookie cutter type houses and then Joe "lists" them for $350,000 to $400,000. though they most often say pending the first day listed.

I can find no properties in austin's name other than the house they live in and none in the names of his 2 llcs

He is also involved in their Mediccorps scam. He has in no way separated himself or Joy from this family’s shady businesses.

[crazy8s]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

He is also involved in their Mediccorps scam. He has in no way separated himself or Joy from this family’s shady businesses.

agree - and he either bought a plane since forming his Skybound Aviation llc or is flying the duggar planes registered to Jeer's llcs. Not long ago, Joy posted a pic of the little girl "visiting dad at work" it was clearly at an airport next to a small plane.

[Tabbygirl521]

1 hour ago, SusannahM said:

That is probably the saddest thing I've read here.  That these people may not care that children were being abused just appalls me.

I just had a horrible thought. Since they think abuse victims somehow bring it on themselves and/or are chosen by some sick-ass God to undergo torment and build character- would they think that the victims in the CSAM somehow…”deserve” it????

[ginger90]

@Lindsay Loo Hoo just wanted to thank you for your posts.

 

[crazy8s]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

that appears to be Robby Spivey behind Justin. I know Hilaria was mentioned as being there, but I just realized that was Robby trying to be all manly and have facial hair. Maybe it was already mentioned, if so sorry, but dang there were a lot of posts today.

Edited December 2, 2021 by crazy8s

[ChiCricket]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Certainly could be, but Austin seems to be able to avoid Josh. One day could be anything, two days looks more intentional to me.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, maybe? 🤔

[CandyCaneTree]

53 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

 

Just in case KJ reads here.  You don't know much about computers, dear.  

She doesn't know much about anything. 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

James Fottrell continued to testify after the break.

He said in order for Linux to be installed, someone needs to physically be there.

He said the same is true for booting it up, according to the Sun reporter in the courtroom.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

The court was then shown a cache folder for Tor of recently used downloads.

A document on the Linux side showed Josh Duggar's name and address and the Sun reporter noted June 22, 2019.

The court was shown thumbnail files where child sex abuse images were found.

Only the jury was able to see photos presented.

[iwantcookies]

https://people.com/tv/josh-duggar-trial-prosecution-gets-heated-questioning-relative-colleague/

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Photos of the graphic child abuse images were shown to the jury and described by James Fottrell.

He said he recognized the girl in the photos and that the photos were popular traded images of child sexual abuse material.

[BigBingerBro]

[iwantcookies]

https://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/
 

 

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

James Fottrell testified that someone accessed the computer with the partition on June 22, 2019, the same date as the previous documents mentioned before.

He says the user deleted them, but he found them through his software.

[MMEButterfly]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

@Lindsay Loo Hoo just wanted to thank you for your posts.

 

Me too, big thanks.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

@Lindsay Loo Hoo just wanted to thank you for your posts.

 

You are so welcome.

After specific images and videos of child sexual abuse material were described, and some shown to the jury, court ended for the day, according to the Sun reporter in the courtroom.

[farmgal4]

44 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

WTH would Derick Dillard be talking to the monster who sexually abused his wife?!

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

WTH would Derick Dillard be talking to the monster who sexually abused his wife?!

We don't know what was said. Derelict may have kindly reminded Smuggar that he is a lawyer now. 😁

[MargeGunderson]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

We don't know what was said. Derelict may have kindly reminded Smuggar that he is a lawyer now. 😁

“You know Josh, like you wanted to be.”

[quarks]

I don't think anyone specifically knows how long the trial will last, but based on what the prosecution said before the trial and the number of witnesses who have testified so far, it sounds as if closing statements may happen at some point in the middle of next week.

I don't know how long the jury deliberations might take, though. 

[Trillium]

3 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

“You know Josh, like you wanted to be.”

“Hey Anna, if you need help filing any legal documents in family court, I’d be happy to assist.”

[all fall down]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

@Lindsay Loo Hoo just wanted to thank you for your posts.

 

I second that, thank you!

I'm so annoyed because I have to travel tomorrow and can't check for updates all day, and I know I'll get so many pages behind. 

[galaxygirl76]

13 minutes ago, quarks said:

I don't think anyone specifically knows how long the trial will last, but based on what the prosecution said before the trial and the number of witnesses who have testified so far, it sounds as if closing statements may happen at some point in the middle of next week.

I don't know how long the jury deliberations might take, though. 

If it was us we'd be like 'we don't need to deliberate, we good'

[emmawoodhouse]

Emily D Baker is going live in about half an hour. I'll try to listen, because I am very interested in her take being a former prosecutor. 

[Valerie]

Don't read the Sun article about the CSAM content. Don't. I wish I had seen people's warnings before I had clicked through to the link. You have to be some kind of unredeemable, evil, monster to go looking for what Pest had on his computer.

[zoomama]

25 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Don't read the Sun article about the CSAM content. Don't. I wish I had seen people's warnings before I had clicked through to the link. You have to be some kind of unredeemable, evil, monster to go looking for what Pest had on his computer.

thanks for the warning. i was watching WOACB and she gave a trigger warning and i bailed on her live . she was in tears saying that a VERY small child (being generous here friends) had been involved in what he was viewing. my mommy heart and my over-reactive brain cant take that sort of stuff. 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

WTH would Derick Dillard be talking to the monster who sexually abused his wife?!

Even weirder to me is why Justin’s wife Claire was talking to Josh.

[3girlsforus]

Is there any non-tabloid type reporting of the trial that is commenting on how they think it's going for the prosecution? We know how things look to a jury isn't always what is obvious to people with background and information not in the courtroom. 

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

Is there any non-tabloid type reporting of the trial that is commenting on how they think it's going for the prosecution? We know how things look to a jury isn't always what is obvious to people with background and information not in the courtroom. 

There's a local reporter who is writing some nice in-depth stuff late at night but he is not providing any analysis. I really wish we had a better source than The Sun for the live updates. 

[sagittarius sue]

6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Explain technical terminology, people! A lot can ride on that! (rant rant rant! -- it drives me crazy that people use specialized definitions that they have to know will mislead people in situations like this where it's so important!) 

Agree.  I recall the most effective testimony (along with the video) in the Chauvin trial came from the pulmonologist Dr. Martin Tobin who used common English terms and demonstrated with his own neck, why George Floyd died because he couldn't breathe, not a drug overdose.  We heard the jurors leaned forward, intent on every word.

Edited December 3, 2021 by sagittarius sue

[quarks]

Two local reporters seem to be doing a pretty decent job covering this on Twitter:

C. C. McCandless (@cccmccandless on Twitter)

Anna Darling (@AnnaDarlingTV on Twitter)

Thing is, unlike the Sun, they are following the rules, so they only update during breaks and lunch.

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

Don't read the Sun article about the CSAM content. Don't. I wish I had seen people's warnings before I had clicked through to the link. You have to be some kind of unredeemable, evil, monster to go looking for what Pest had on his computer.

If only the jury saw the horrifying thumbnails of the CSAM that Sex Pervert download, did the expert witness describe what was there? If so, did Anna stay this time and listen to what that sick demented asshole she's married to likes to watch?

I'm totally going to judge any of his family that is at the hearing and still willing to talk to the skeevy pervert.

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, Nysha said:

If only the jury saw the horrifying thumbnails of the CSAM that Sex Pervert download, did the expert witness describe what was there? If so, did Anna stay this time and listen to what that sick demented asshole she's married to likes to watch?

I'm totally going to judge any of his family that is at the hearing and still willing to talk to the skeevy pervert.

Yes, the prosecution witness testified to the specifics, so everyone in the courtroom heard about the content, even if they didn't see it.

I had the misfortune to read the Sun article, and without going into triggering details, it's even worse than what was originally reported. 

If any Duggar supports Josh or allows their children near him after this, then they're truly a lost cause. And if I were Derick there's no fucking way in hell I'd make small talk or sit next to Anna. She's just as deranged as her pathetic husband. 

[SusanM]

19 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I'm totally going to judge any of his family that is at the hearing and still willing to talk to the skeevy pervert.

Or leaves the courthouse with a big grin on their face like they've just left a sports arena after their team won.  I don't know which Duggar or Duggar related hanger on was pictured upthread doing that but knowing now what was shown and discussed makes that picture even more repugnant.

Listen I get it that they may genuinely believe Smuggar is not guilty - but that doesn't change the nature of the crime he is accused of, or the content of the imagery.  Anyone truly innocent or truly supportive of someone they feel has been unfairly charged should be absolutely heartsick and horrified over this not acting like it's a big joke.

Edited December 3, 2021 by SusannahM

[Zella]

28 minutes ago, quarks said:

Two local reporters seem to be doing a pretty decent job covering this on Twitter:

C. C. McCandless (@cccmccandless on Twitter)

Anna Darling (@AnnaDarlingTV on Twitter)

Thing is, unlike the Sun, they are following the rules, so they only update during breaks and lunch.

Yeah McCandless is the one who's writing some pretty decent stuff late at night. They're worth the wait for. He's the one who had the details about all the delays yesterday. 

[Cinnabon]

31 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Or leaves the courthouse with a big grin on their face like they've just left a sports arena after their team won.  I don't know which Duggar or Duggar related hanger on was pictured upthread doing that but knowing now what was shown and discussed makes that picture even more repugnant.

Listen I get it that they may genuinely believe Smuggar is not guilty - but that doesn't change the nature of the crime he is accused of, or the content of the imagery.  Anyone truly innocent or truly supportive of someone they feel has been unfairly charged should be absolutely heartsick and horrified over this not acting like it's a big joke.

According to Reddit, Justin and and Claire (and Hillaria) are very right wing Q crazies, so now I think they’re there to support Josh. They probably (like Anna) believe that the government  is persecuting them  😐. All disgusting.

They also theorize that Derrick may be there to give support to Anna, in hopes that she may leave Josh some day. Also, someone had a great point in theorizing that Derick is sitting next to Anna so that when Jill testifies, she will be looking straight at him, while also appearing to be looking Josh straight in the eyes.

Edited December 3, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Cinnabon]

[lampshades]

22 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Or leaves the courthouse with a big grin on their face like they've just left a sports arena after their team won.  I don't know which Duggar or Duggar related hanger on was pictured upthread doing that but knowing now what was shown and discussed makes that picture even more repugnant.

Listen I get it that they may genuinely believe Smuggar is not guilty - but that doesn't change the nature of the crime he is accused of, or the content of the imagery.  Anyone truly innocent or truly supportive of someone they feel has been unfairly charged should be absolutely heartsick and horrified over this not acting like it's a big joke.

Not to defend the photo which was bizarre and immature but it was taken prior to the CSAM photos being shown and discussed. Reddit seems to think Justin and company left for good after that photo of Justin was taken so they didn’t stay to hear any of the actual horrible things Josh did.

Edited December 3, 2021 by lampshades
Clarity

[Cinnabon]

 Not only is MOTY Michelle not there to support her beloved son,  but none of Anna’s huge family is there to support her, either.

[Meow25]

6 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Sure seems like a lot of employees for a dinky tollbooth “business.” There weren’t enough family members to handle it?

He wasn't an employee.  He earned some commissions for driving cars here and there.  

[Cinnabon]

4 minutes ago, Meow25 said:

He wasn't an employee.  He earned some commissions for driving cars here and there.  

That doesn’t seem to be what the defense has been saying.

[Meow25]

13 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

That doesn’t seem to be what the defense has been saying.

He would still get "paychecks" but to be an employee there would be W4's and W2's.  Perhaps in order to dumb down the language for the jury they're treating it as a "paycheck" instead of a commission check, because it really doesn't matter to anyone except the IRS.  From everything I have read the only proof of employment was a check.  I could be wrong, but my husband runs his own brokerage business and is self employed, a little more complicated than gig work *Which is what this sounds like*, but essentially the same thing.  I could be wrong, but I have heard of no evidence of W4s or W2 for the Waller moron.  I could be wrong, I just think it's an important distinction.  It's just another way to run things shady.  

Edited December 3, 2021 by Meow25
I'm a moron and can't spell after 10 at night

[quarks]

36 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

Or leaves the courthouse with a big grin on their face like they've just left a sports arena after their team won.  I don't know which Duggar or Duggar related hanger on was pictured upthread doing that but knowing now what was shown and discussed makes that picture even more repugnant.

That was Justin Duggar, and -

14 minutes ago, lampshades said:

Not to defend the photo which was bizarre and immature but it was taken prior to the CSAM photos being shown and discussed. Reddit seems to think Justin and company left for good after that photo of Justin was taken so they didn’t stay to hear any of the actual horrible things Josh did.

The Sun and local news reporters are saying the same thing, so, yeah, Justin didn't hear any of the CSAM discussion.

And, also, he may not have been there for Josh and Anna, even if he spoke to them. In fact, the timing suggests otherwise.  Justin, Claire, Hillary, the other Spivey kid and David Waller did not show up yesterday, and were only in the courtroom for this morning's testimony. Photos show them arriving and leaving in a group. 

Given that timing, the specific people involved, and the photos, I think they were there to support Matthew Waller, who is David Waller's brother. David Waller is their current pastor, and I think Matthew may belong to their church. 

This is the second time Matthew Waller has testified for this case. He was at the hearing back in September, where he was ordered to produce his employment records. Waller also talked to federal agents and prosecutors more than once, and the defense named him when mentioning other people with access to the car lot - insinuating that Matthew Waller could and should have been a major suspect.

So my guess is they showed up to listen to Matthew Waller's testimony, and came out smiling when it was clear that neither the prosecution nor the defense was going to accuse Waller of this - with the added bonus that Waller stood up to those Evil Government Prosecution people. 

Just a guess.