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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

It all felt sketchy to me that Danica didn't file a suit until after Ashley Madison. I believe she has already made money from tabloids and more exposure. Maybe its all lies or some half truths, either way it appears that there's not enough evidence to move forward for her to win.

 

I'm still not sure Josh did anything more than lust in his heart and with his eyes. In Fundyland thinking about the dirty deed is as bad as doing it.

 

And, why does the Devil spend so much time messing with and tempting Fundies? I guess it's good for most of us cuz he appears to be a very busy entity.

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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Arwen Evenstar

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Even though Smuggs is vile, it sucks to be accused of something you didn't do. I once knew someone who was accused of behaving badly by a woman who wanted to spite him. Though she dropped the charges she left plenty of damage in her wake. No one deserves that, so the likely scenario Danica is lying or exaggerating to get her 15 minutes is entirely credible.

Do I think Josh roughed a woman up like that? I'm sure he's a swine in bed when it comes to his wife's pleasure, and a patriarchal pig all around, but if I really think about it, I don't see him capable of that kind of violence. I guess we'll never really know what happened.

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Barb23

Barb23

Dang it!  I was hoping for various Duggar family "therapists" to be called to the stand.

Me too!! Couldn't wait to hear the judge having to quiet an outraged JB. Couldn't wait to see the whole Duggar clan file in the courtroom with instruments in hand. Couldn't wait to see Anna, wearing clothing that matched Joshley, sitting behind him murmuring God will take care of everything.

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

The patriarch on the stand would be a defense lawyer's nightmare. Pa Duggar would, as always, assume his patriarchal 'I know more than anyone else' attitude and, going against all legal advice, would endlessly spout scripture and his usual level of logic and wisdom, as his previous patriarchal debacle 'the girls didn't even know it had happened' and 'it wasn't rape or anything like that'. Dumb. Ass.

Doesn't it just make your brain bleed? It is a sin of the first order of the guy you've been assigned to marry touches you, but if you're set upon in the night by your brother, meh. Well, I exaggerate - the parents DID realize it wasn't normal or good, but why they then minimize the impact makes no sense.

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

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Doesn't it just make your brain bleed? It is a sin of the first order of the guy you've been assigned to marry touches you, but if you're set upon in the night by your brother, meh. Well, I exaggerate - the parents DID realize it wasn't normal or good, but why they then minimize the impact makes no sense.

 

It's a defense mechanism. When children do good things, parents are proud of them. By the same token, when a child does something negative, most parents feel - at least to some extent - responsible or connected to it. By minimizing Josh's activities, Boob & Me-chelle minimize their own blame, guilt, shame etc. What he did is not really so bad, so we're not really so bad. In their own minds, of course. The general public is not going to cut them this kind of slack.

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

Perfect for all those insecure little boy patriarchs who need women to submit to their almighty patriarchy, yet, behind closed doors, they want their wife to be their mommy.

Men of this ilk make me nauseous.

 

Men like this make nearly ALL women nauseous. Which IMO is a big part of why so many of them become involved with under-age girls. They're basically afraid of women their own age. And the nausea continues...

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

I stopped at "Adult Nursing." Some things I just cannot do. 

I know someone who admits to it.

 

In related news, where is this "okay and not okay" list? I didn't find it. (Must keep up with what the fundies find acceptable these days...)

 

And one can only imagine that Joshley Madison printed off that list and left it on Anna's pillow more than once...

RazzleberryPie

RazzleberryPie

Doesn't it just make your brain bleed? It is a sin of the first order of the guy you've been assigned to marry touches you, but if you're set upon in the night by your brother, meh. Well, I exaggerate - the parents DID realize it wasn't normal or good, but why they then minimize the impact makes no sense.

From the Jessa and Jill interview post molestation gate, pre Ashley Madison/Danica gate, it really sounded to me Jim Bob was the only one who really thought it wasn't normal and didn't happen in a lot of families. Not to defend him too much, bc in the end he did hide it all with the rest of them, but seriously. Michelle brushed it off like it was something all teen boys do, and I think Jill actually said it happens in a lot of families. NO IT DOESN'T.

 

I get victims wanting confirmation that they didn't cause their abuse, or wanting to minimize things so they're not at the front of their memories 24/7, but it's really disturbing that those girls truly believe this stuff happens all the time.

 

Adult. Nursing.

I backed out of that site just in the nick of time.

Now it would seem that fundies are overly preoccupied with sex!

Wonder what bible verses they find that give the godly ok to adult nursing. And almost everything else on that site.

Now I kinda' feel bad for married fundie wimmens.

Whatever a man wants?

I seriously had never heard of a few things on there. No wonder Jana isn't racing to the alter if she thinks all that is expected and typical of marriage.

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SongbirdHollow

SongbirdHollow

Once again, here's the URL:

 

http://site.themarriagebed.com/sexuality/sexual-play/whats-okay-whats-not

 

I also wanted to clarify that I only brought it up because some people seem to think that Christians must be vanilla in the bedroom and this proves otherwise. Don't want to get too off topic for this thread.

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

Once again, here's the URL:

http://site.themarriagebed.com/sexuality/sexual-play/whats-okay-whats-not

I also wanted to clarify that I only brought it up because some people seem to think that Christians must be vanilla in the bedroom and this proves otherwise. Don't want to get too off topic for this thread.

I have to say, this site seems to make a point that both partners should be into whatever activity is in question. And they seem a little squeamish about the adult nurse - they seem to feel it might indicate some other lack in the relationship.

I don't see anything about joyful availability.

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Teena

Teena

I recall reading in one of the Duggers' books that their sexual choices are quite limited.  I don't recall what was written (although I looked all over the place trying to find the quote) but at the time, I was completely shocked that they had such a vanilla approach.  If I remember, oral sex is off the table, as well as most "positions".

 

I only recall because I wondered how the hell a fundie woman would ever orgasm given such limited "allowable" practices.

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Mollie

Mollie

I recall reading in one of the Duggers' books that their sexual choices are quite limited.  I don't recall what was written (although I looked all over the place trying to find the quote) but at the time, I was completely shocked that they had such a vanilla approach.  If I remember, oral sex is off the table, as well as most "positions".

 

I only recall because I wondered how the hell a fundie woman would ever orgasm given such limited "allowable" practices.

I don't think the word 'orgasm' was on the Gothard homeschooling spelling list.  

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Kellyee

Kellyee

Is Josh dead? Where the hell is Josh? 6 months seems like an awful long time in "rehab". And its even weirder that not a single photo of him has leaked out to the world. No other celebrity gets that much privacy at rehab. Baby Meredith must not even know her father, because he's been gone since she was what? A month old?

 

Creepy and weird. Even for the Duggars, its just bizarre. And he's off studying the Bible, while Anna parents 4 kids and lives in a commune with her in-laws. Yeah, that seems fair.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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I recall reading in one of the Duggers' books that their sexual choices are quite limited.  I don't recall what was written (although I looked all over the place trying to find the quote) but at the time, I was completely shocked that they had such a vanilla approach.  If I remember, oral sex is off the table, as well as most "positions".

 

I only recall because I wondered how the hell a fundie woman would ever orgasm given such limited "allowable" practices.

 

I expect that very few if any of the patriarchal or quiverful sorts of fundies subscribe to the Marriage Bed ideas. I'm sure some of them have personal kinks but I doubt that many in those strains have an actual philosophy of making pleasure a value, especially since it includes physical pleasure for the woman. As Michelle said: "Don't worry. It doesn't take long." They're too much about the value of reserving sex for procreation (and more procreation and more procreation and more procreation) and keeping woman in her place (which does not include expecting her headship to accommodate her desire for physical pleasure).

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Mollie

Mollie

I expect that very few if any of the patriarchal or quiverful sorts of fundies subscribe to the Marriage Bed ideas. I'm sure some of them have personal kinks but I doubt that many in those strains have an actual philosophy of making pleasure a value, especially since it includes physical pleasure for the woman. As Michelle said: "Don't worry. It doesn't take long." They're too much about the value of reserving sex for procreation (and more procreation and more procreation and more procreation) and keeping woman in her place (which does not include expecting her headship to accommodate her desire for physical pleasure).

I don't think Michelle has a "desire for physical pleasure."  I think that is one of her (many) problems.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

It's interesting that no info from RU addicts has leaked to the press. I wonder if RU stopped taking new admissions after Josh to protect his privacy.

 

 

Seems like someone would have been released during the time Joshley is there. But no leaks. Are they under some kind of threat?

It really is so odd that no one has spoken out. It's not anonymous. Could he possibly have had folks sign a non-disclosure? I don't know how, and on what terms. But you both bring up a good question.

GeeGolly

GeeGolly

From what I understand, none of the participants in Josh's program are allowed mobile phones or electronic devices, so how would anyone leak a story?  

 

Even if a person left, I think their religious like-mindedness would keep them from talking...

It has rolling admission, so I'm sure many folks have completed the program by now. IMHO, being religious does not make someone exempt from lying, gossiping, or selling a story for money. Like Amy & the Duggars for example.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

We did hear he had a rehab girlfriend, and wanted to marry her. A blind item, but still.

That's one of those blind items I could see being true. I think Josh loves his kids but would be more than happy to ride off in the sunset with a new girlfriend and leave Anna behind at the TTH. His reaction to M#4 pretty much summed up his attitude towards life at that point.

That's why Jesus Jail was such a joke. Josh has been a Gothard kid for close to thirty years. He can rattle off platitudes and Bible verses in his sleep. I doubt there's been any deep soul searching going on during the six months he was away.

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

We did hear he had a rehab girlfriend, and wanted to marry her. A blind item, but still.

Somehow I want this to be TRUE only because it would prove the the world how messed up all their "teachings" are. Being one and done is damaging to any kid that needs to find his own mate not someone that "agreed" to be with him. 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

 

That's why Jesus Jail was such a joke. Josh has been a Gothard kid for close to thirty years. He can rattle off platitudes and Bible verses in his sleep. I doubt there's been any deep soul searching going on during the six months he was away.

I hate calling RU Jesus jail. It's basically Jesus'-No-Responsibly-Bible-Summer-Camp. Jesus Jail is the life sentence waiting back in Arkansas. No hope of parole. Better put up a Rita Hayworth poster and start digging.

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greenturtle36

greenturtle36

Regarding Josh's reaction to his 4th child, I am posting this link because I can't post photos to this page except to link them.

 

Look closely at Josh's face in the photo (he's not even looking at the camera).  Look at his eyes.  If looks could kill!

 

Notice his mouth has one corner up and one corner down.  That's the microexpression for contempt.

 

Contempt toward the kid, contempt toward Anna...

 

If you ask me, he really did rough up Danica.  He had to take it out on some female object, and a prostitute was a religiously justifiable means because, you know, sinners.    In his eyes, Danica was Anna, Danica was the baby... which was a filthy dirty female.

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/631910/pregnant-anna-duggar-shares-ultrasound-images-of-her-child-sounds-off-against-abortion-see-the-pics

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Obsidian

Obsidian

Regarding Josh's reaction to his 4th child, I am posting this link because I can't post photos to this page except to link them.

 

Look closely at Josh's face in the photo (he's not even looking at the camera).  Look at his eyes.  If looks could kill!

 

Notice his mouth has one corner up and one corner down.  That's the microexpression for contempt.

 

Contempt toward the kid, contempt toward Anna...

 

If you ask me, he really did rough up Danica.  He had to take it out on some female object, and a prostitute was a religiously justifiable means because, you know, sinners.    In his eyes, Danica was Anna, Danica was the baby... which was a filthy dirty female.

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/631910/pregnant-anna-duggar-shares-ultrasound-images-of-her-child-sounds-off-against-abortion-see-the-pics

He's not a happy chap. There's also the weird way his hand is sitting on Anna's hip. The big FAMILY reminder on the bookcase. Josh: you have options. I'm sure Anna has her fertility chart on the fridge. Make sure you don't heyheyhey around the days which say FERTILE.

Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

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I recall reading in one of the Duggers' books that their sexual choices are quite limited. I don't recall what was written (although I looked all over the place trying to find the quote) but at the time, I was completely shocked that they had such a vanilla approach. If I remember, oral sex is off the table, as well as most "positions".

I only recall because I wondered how the hell a fundie woman would ever orgasm given such limited "allowable" practices.

Having spent time among Fundies, I'm not surprised that the Gothard devotees would have to set a higher standard for themselves. It's almost a competition to see which group of Fundies is more pious than another. I used to speak truth to power at a really young age..

.That's not even in the Bible..."We know that, but we set a higher standard to set ourselves apart as a witness ". OK but if it's a choice...then why is it a rule to join the church?

or Jesus drank wine..."But it was really grape juice" or my favorite...."they had no sanitation so wine was cleaner .

Really? Is that the best they can do?

Fundie schools used to threaten kids who even ate at a restaurant that served alcohol or who went to a movie even to see a G rated movie ....with certain expulsion.

Not surprised that given limited sex education the Gothard bunch would eschew sites like TMB and Covenant Spice as too mainstream. After all most of these ATI automatons don't let their kids attend a brick and mortar school, trade school, or college of any kind. Besides isn't everything I would need to know be taught in Wisdumb Booklets or spoon fed to me as required and need to know? Just like Anna telling poor simple Prissy what delights she could possibly expect from The Fabulous One on her wedding night.

Encouraging participation in Fundie websites not ATI approved might let those wimmins know they had a right to not only wish for sexual pleasure but to receive it. The last thing the headship should hear is to find out what a selfish and insensitive lout he is in the bed, right?

I imagine Gothard sanctioned sex is just as exciting as everything else we know about the Duggars...boring!!!!!

Let's not forget Michelle Duggar quickly proclaiming that there didn't need to be modesty standards for footwear (when a foot fetish is the most common fetish out there) when their cult leader had a creepy foot fetish whilst claiming to be a sworn virgin. Really? The fact I hat they follow this creep and regard his teachings as manna from heaven should be enough to give anyone pause

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kokapetl

kokapetl

Regarding Josh's reaction to his 4th child, I am posting this link because I can't post photos to this page except to link them.

Look closely at Josh's face in the photo (he's not even looking at the camera). Look at his eyes. If looks could kill!

Notice his mouth has one corner up and one corner down. That's the microexpression for contempt.

Contempt toward the kid, contempt toward Anna...

If you ask me, he really did rough up Danica. He had to take it out on some female object, and a prostitute was a religiously justifiable means because, you know, sinners. In his eyes, Danica was Anna, Danica was the baby... which was a filthy dirty female.

http://www.eonline.com/news/631910/pregnant-anna-duggar-shares-ultrasound-images-of-her-child-sounds-off-against-abortion-see-the-pics

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

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I believe she made 90% of the whole thing up and when it was time to put up or shut up and pay Josh's attorney fees, she shut up.  I don't think cheapskate Boob paid her anything.  Obviously Josh had proof that he was not wherever or doing whatever.  Plus, her attorney was most likely on a contingency plan and decided it was a losing game. 

 

This is no way takes away from the loser I believe Josh to be.  But feel that this girl is nothing more than a GoldDuggar and should know better.  She has children.  If nothing else she should have thought of Anna and the M's. 

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kokapetl

kokapetl

Just saw TMZ.

Harry said that "josh won".

From TMZ:

"Josh Duggar just won a big victory against the porn star who claimed he roughed her up during a sexual encounter, because she just folded like a cheap suit and dropped her lawsuit.

Danica Dillon promised never ever to refile the case against Josh. Now here's what weird. In return Josh agreed not to file documents which proved Danica lied about the incident. What's odd is that he wouldn't file the documents if the case is dropped.

What's more, according to the settlement, Danica acknowledges the documents Josh was about to file conclusively proves she lied."

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

agree but the million dollar question is, why didn't he dispute it in the media earlier?

 

No kidding. This raises way more questions than it answers. Why didn't he dispute it in the media earlier? Why did he slink off to RU? Just to get away from his family for a while? What did he actually do that constituted "cheating on Anna"? What made Danica think she could get away with filing the lawsuit? What did pass between them? Etc. Very strange stuff all around.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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RadarOnline's LATEST SHOCKING DOCUMENT. It's the stipulation of dismissal. Key points: Ms Dillon voluntarily agrees to have her case dismissed with prejudice, and that no one has or will be paying her any money to resolve the matter. In short, she gets nothing.

I'm guessing Josh's documents may have potentially incriminated her, as in an investigation into potential criminal charges against her may have been launched if those documents were presented to the court.

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