Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Ljohnson1987]

Maybe they'll name GrandDuggar 5.0 Mirycle. (Miracle).  It's a miracle Anna hasn't been able to find a way to divorce Smugs yet.

[kokapetl]

Ok wait a minute here.

He told Anna the encounter never happened, and that Danica Dillon is lying and "people are making things up about me" because of christian persecution bullcrap.

Now, the reason for dismissing the lawsuit does not say that at all. It says that she was not injured by the contact, and that she consented to it.

OK, so which is true, Josh? How can she have consented to something she's making up? How can she be "not injured by" contact that didn't happen? It either happened or it didn't, Josh.

You didn't deny that it happened in the documentation submitted by your lawyers. You just lie to your wife, yet again. You shitbag.

I think Josh's lawyer is technically saying that Ms Dillon's allegation of battery doesnt reconcile with Ms Dillon's version of events.

This is the picture for Josh's lawyer's "about page" on his firms website.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Kokapetl

[egilsdottir]

I think Josh's lawyer is technically saying that Ms Dillon's allegation of battery doesnt reconcile with Ms Dillon's version of events.

This is the picture for Josh's lawyer's "about page" on his firms website.

You know you've secured solid legal counsel when the guy you've hired has a vanity plate proclaiming that he is, in fact, a "LAWYR."

 

I hope his hourly rate is low, otherwise Boob will be calling him non-stop to badger him about his fees. "Now what's this? You had a phone call with Smuggar and he said his Ashley Madison login name was SuckItJimBob?"

[OSM Mom]

Josh and Anna will be writing a book soon.

This little "situation" will turn into a book tour, speaking tour and all that Duggar jazz.

I read that last line as Duggar jizz and nearly made myself puke..

[MarysWetBar]

I think Josh's lawyer is technically saying that Ms Dillon's allegation of battery doesnt reconcile with Ms Dillon's version of events.

This is the picture for Josh's lawyer's "about page" on his firms website.

Oh I'd hire him. Not for lawyering..but. .um...something...something.

[LilyoftheValley]

You know you've secured solid legal counsel when the guy you've hired has a vanity plate proclaiming that he is, in fact, a "LAWYR."

 

I hope his hourly rate is low, otherwise Boob will be calling him non-stop to badger him about his fees. "Now what's this? You had a phone call with Smuggar and he said his Ashley Madison login name was SuckItJimBob?"

I'm a lawyer, and I hate it when lawyers have photos like this on their website.  Our professional already has an image problem and photos of you looking "bad ass" and "cool" on your homepage is unprofessional and cheapens the whole profession.   

 

A truly great lawyer's work speaks for itself and he doesn't need photos like this to attract potential clients.  Josh is screwed.  

[Lemur]

Oh I'd hire him. Not for lawyering..but. .um...something...something.

 

Yeah?

 

Check out his picture in a suit and sans 'do rag.  

 

http://www.clymerlaw.com/attorneys/

 

I swear I almost this douche into a human grease stain on I-76 the last time I went out to Gettysburg ...

 

That said, I can't help but wonder what his retainer is or if he volunteered his services.  He's been involved in some interesting cases, including defending a puppy mill owner (big deal in PA, if you're familiar with their new-ish dog laws), and prosecuting Amish drug dealers while calling out A&E on their fictions on Amish Mafia.   

[Aja]

I think Josh's lawyer is technically saying that Ms Dillon's allegation of battery doesnt reconcile with Ms Dillon's version of events.

This is the picture for Josh's lawyer's "about page" on his firms website.

What a cool, worldly LAWYR!  His impeccably starched and pressed do rag reminds me of when Famy and DUI Dillon dressed up like "motorcyclers" too.

[Porkchop]

Muffyn ... I love an out-loud laugh, and you provided today's, for sure!

[Barb23]

Yeah?

 

Check out his picture in a suit and sans 'do rag.  

 

http://www.clymerlaw.com/attorneys/

 

I swear I almost this douche into a human grease stain on I-76 the last time I went out to Gettysburg ...

 

That said, I can't help but wonder what his retainer is or if he volunteered his services.  He's been involved in some interesting cases, including defending a puppy mill owner (big deal in PA, if you're familiar with their new-ish dog laws), and prosecuting Amish drug dealers while calling out A&E on their fictions on Amish Mafia.

Looks like you have to have a goatee to work at this firm.

[kokapetl]

Pinstripes?

[ThinkerBell]

Looks like you have to have a goatee to work at this firm.

 

If you scroll down the law firm's web site, you'll see that one of the Associates was "formerly a certified professional midwife ". I wonder if the Duggars are thinking of asking if they can bundle legal and birthing services.

[kokapetl]

If you scroll down the law firm's web site, you'll see that one of the Associates was "formerly a certified professional midwife ". I wonder if the Duggars are thinking of asking if they can bundle legal and birthing services.

Her law degree is from Georgetown, that's almost as good as GEML's husband. I wonder what CPM Esquire's deal is.

[Missy Vixen]

 Next TLC special:  Jim Bob fellating the devil then explaining why it was a godly act while Michelle beams at him and wipes devil spunk off his face.

 

As always, I'll let myself out. 

Please let the guys who write South Park see this. Let's face it, Saddam Hussein and Satan still makes me laugh.

 

And Jim Boob would not be performing the favor. We all know he'd subcontract that little job.

[Almost 3000]

Oh I'd hire him. Not for lawyering..but. .um...something...something.

He does seem to be feeling his little self. I have to side eye a guy who thinks its cool to be standing in a parking lot with his cool purple ride AND using that cool pix on his corporate site. Not so cool. But it is smart of JB to not have a fundy lawyer. I can't imagine a judge or jury relating or being sympathetic to fundy speak for the kinds of things Smuggar has allegedly done.

[Churchhoney]

I think we know that Josh comes from a long tradition of saying whatever is convenient to say at the time. We weren't victims, but we're being revictimized! We remember exactly what happened! Except we never woke up and don't know anything except what our parents told us! Etc etc etc. No surprise that there are three or four stories being simultaneously told about these events, too.

[Marigold]

Did you notice that the woman was "formerly a certified midwife"

Does that strike anyone as odd considering all the flakey midwives that the Duggars hang with? Maybe she specializes in defending midwife homebirths gone bad? Or just bad homebirths?

[Sew Sumi]

I'm a lawyer, and I hate it when lawyers have photos like this on their website. Our professional already has an image problem and photos of you looking "bad ass" and "cool" on your homepage is unprofessional and cheapens the whole profession.

A truly great lawyer's work speaks for itself and he doesn't need photos like this to attract potential clients. Josh is screwed.

Last sentence....snicker. And you guys are welcome for the biker pic. I love that he defends biker's rights (seriously). It's so anti-Duggar. Bikers, that is.

[JoanArc]

 

Her law degree is from Georgetown, that's almost as good as GEML's husband.

[LilyoftheValley]

Last sentence....snicker. And you guys are welcome for the biker pic. I love that he defends biker's rights (seriously). It's so anti-Duggar. Bikers, that is.

There is no such thing as "biker's rights".  Josh is so super fucked.  

[Almost 3000]

Ah, but would he be willing to spend a lifetime with a smart, assertive wife? THAT would probably be Jizz Bob's 5th Ring of Hell.

I think he already does but its not hell. I've always maintained that Michelle has worked out everything to please herself with JB's blessing. She gets attention and accolades from her family and community and also a platform to expound her beliefs just by being pregnant and continually producing quivers AKA jslaves. She does all this by balancing a Starbucks coffee cup in one hand and a team of jslaves and volunteer groupies on the other.

Now, as to what is hell to JB that is his first born disappointment and probably Josiah, through no fault of his own and for some reason we don't know. That poor kid gets the treatment only Smugs deserves.

[Sew Sumi]

There is no such thing as "biker's rights". Josh is so super fucked.

This warms the cockles of my cold, dead heart. LOL

[JoanArc]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/josh-duggar-wasnt-mentioned-once-022600394.html

 

 

A source close to the family tells ET that "no cameras were rolling" during the family's holiday festivities and that embattled eldest son Josh Duggar "wasn't mentioned once."

"Jinger was playing piano, kids were running around with toys," the source added. "It was a normal Christmas just without Josh there. It didn't feel like an elephant was in the room, Josh has been away for so long, it's just become normal to have him gone."

Never discuss your problems. EVER. Or even hint that Josh is alive. Denial's what the lord wants! I wouldn't expect they bring up molestation on Christmas morning, but poor Anna's still hanging out there.

 

 

treatment center -- in November. However, another source from within the Duggar family tells ET, "Josh did not leave his rehab to spend the holidays with the family."

"If some of the family went to see him, that is definitely not something everyone in the family knew," the source added.

Hmmm..

Edited January 5, 2016 by JoanArc

[LilyoftheValley]

This warms the cockles of my cold, dead heart. LOL

Mine too (just a little).  To me these are the kinds of lawyers who try and appeal to clients who really know nothing at all about what is going on with their case.  They are advertising to the least sophisticated client out there.  I mean everyone here gets that bikers cannot possibly be a protected class or that getting on a Harley does not magically give you special rights, yet this man is not above pretending like it does in order to get clients.  (Personally I think it's unethical).  

 

I could just see this guy now, very easily convincing Josh and Jim Bob of his legal prowess without them having a clue as to whether or not he actually knows what he is talking about.  

[Sew Sumi]

It could be developed into a sitcom!

[riverblue22]

I can't complain about Josh's lawyer.  My friend is caught up in a huge mess of a probate situation in Pennsylvania.  This all started because the (fundy) executor of the estate insisted on using a lawyer from his church, who it turns out is a complete idiot with no experience in probate law.  He has botched everything, won't even give copies of the wills to those named, and will probably spread the whole mess out for years.  At least Josh didn't end up with that guy!

[MarysWetBar]

I wanna see Jana riding away from Crazytown on the back of that hog with her hair flying and her skirt up to her thighs! Feeling the rumble and heat of the engine. ..well..you get it :)

If lawyer dude is a grifter, who cares? That's called karma.

[greenturtle36]

I thought he told Anna that he slept wit Danica, but it wasn't rough?

 

according to this link    http://www.ibtimes.com/anna-duggar-secretly-visits-josh-rehab-ask-about-danica-dillon-report-2218805

 

Josh Duggar apparently denied the tryst to his wife. “Josh told Anna that since he was living a life of sin, he isn’t surprised that people are making things up about him,” the source said. “But Josh doesn’t confess anything until he is absolutely caught in a lie.”

Anna Duggar reportedly took him at his word. “She believes everything Josh says. She actually thinks he’s getting better,” the insider said.

 

 

I took that to mean, he was claiming that she lied.  I thought it meant he claimed she lied about the whole thing, maybe it was just about the rough part.

[Sew Sumi]

Given the way Josh is trying to nuance this in court, I can't imagine what, if anything, he's told Anna about the actual sex/rape of the sex worker. After all, Anna seems to subscribe to the "joyfully available" wife rape mentality. To be honest, I doubt they have ever had a conversation about the details of his trysts with Danica. 

[LilyoftheValley]

The more I think about Josh, the more I think that this woman is probably telling the truth, or is very close to telling the truth.  Based upon the way that Josh treats his sisters and his wife, I can only assume that he absolutely hates women.  He finally had one he "owned" for that night whom he could take out some of his rage on.  

Edited January 6, 2016 by LilyoftheValley

[RedDelicious]

I don't think Anna knows any more about the prostitution tryst than she did about the multiple molestations before they got married.

That said, I feel so badly for her that she's stuck in the place she's in. She never had a way out to begin with. And now she's in even deeper in the girls dorm.

If we all won the lottery tomorrow, we could open a Duggar Recovery Center for Women and Children. On a beach with no fundie swimwear allowed.

[tabloidlover]

I don't think Anna knows any more about the prostitution tryst than she did about the multiple molestations before they got married.

That said, I feel so badly for her that she's stuck in the place she's in. She never had a way out to begin with. And now she's in even deeper in the girls dorm.

If we all won the lottery tomorrow, we could open a Duggar Recovery Center for Women and Children. On a beach with no fundie swimwear allowed.

I don't think she has any knowledge of either scandal either.  In the world she was raised in (and married into, for that matter) it is a wife's job to take her husband at his word.  She is not to question him nor is she to demand answers.  She is to accept whatever he tells her and submit accordingly.  So sad.

[toodles]

So how long until they announce the "band aid baby",the sweet blessing that magically makes all the mess go away?

Would bet money on the miracle baby. Poor little thing.

[Muffyn]

Please let the guys who write South Park see this. Let's face it, Saddam Hussein and Satan still makes me laugh.

 

And Jim Boob would not be performing the favor. We all know he'd subcontract that little job.

"Bin, when you're done scrubbing the toilets, I have another job for you," Jim Bob said with a big grin and a twinkle in his (soulless) eye.   Even Satan was happy to have Bin rather than JB.  JB skeeves him out too.  

[Vaysh]

The more I think about Josh, the more I think that this woman is probably tell the truth, or is very close to telling the truth.  Based upon the way that Josh treats his sisters and his wife, I can only assume that he absolutely hates women.  He finally had one he "owned" for that night whom he could take out some of his rage on.

 

 

Yes, being taught that any sexual thoughts before marriage is of the devil and that women are stumbling blocks on your way to salvation will rather naturally lead to the idea that women are evil harlots that needs to be controlled and subjugated. Pretty much the history of the Christian religion right there.

 

Then of course you add a Gothardite first son superiority complex the size of Arkansas with accompanying entitlement issues, a mother who abandoned him at an early age to have a bazillion more children, and a massive madonna/whore complex, and you get... Josh.

 

I have no problem believing he treated this woman as trash. Because he was taught that this woman was trash.

[greenturtle36]

The more I think about Josh, the more I think that this woman is probably telling the truth, or is very close to telling the truth.  Based upon the way that Josh treats his sisters and his wife, I can only assume that he absolutely hates women.  He finally had one he "owned" for that night whom he could take out some of his rage on.  

 

oh god yes.  Aside from being raised with the idea that women were inferior to him, and only exist to serve him... women are not human to him.  They are objects to be used by him.   

 

Have you ever heard of "micro expressions?"   Like on the show "Lie to Me."  Where you can look at subtle facial expressions on people.  I've seen a few pictures of he and Anna together, and I noticed one corner of his mouth is pointing down while one is pointing up.  That's the micro expression for "contempt".  

 

It's typical of christians to blame accusations on "the devil" and "the devil is lying to you" and "the devil is causing people to lie about me because of Jesus" and all that crap.  I know that's what he told Anna.

 

But  yes, you are spot on.  He likes "pussy", but he most definitely hates women.

On the question about biker's rights, you sparked my curiosity, so I took a look.  Apparently, bikers fight for their right to ride motorcycles without their helmet, among other things... they don't like safety regulations and they don't like sobriety checkpoints.  They claim it infringes on their rights.  Whatever that means.

[toodles]

oh god yes.  Aside from being raised with the idea that women were inferior to him, and only exist to serve him... women are not human to him.  They are objects to be used by him.   

 

Have you ever heard of "micro expressions?"   Like on the show "Lie to Me."  Where you can look at subtle facial expressions on people.  I've seen a few pictures of he and Anna together, and I noticed one corner of his mouth is pointing down while one is pointing up.  That's the micro expression for "contempt".  

 

It's typical of christians to blame accusations on "the devil" and "the devil is lying to you" and "the devil is causing people to lie about me because of Jesus" and all that crap.  I know that's what he told Anna.

 

But  yes, you are spot on.  He likes "pussy", but he most definitely hates women.On the question about biker's rights, you sparked my curiosity, so I took a look.  Apparently, bikers fight for their right to ride motorcycles without their helmet, among other things... they don't like safety regulations and they don't like sobriety checkpoints.  They claim it infringes on their rights.  Whatever that means.

Not to drag this off topic too much, but right to what? Have your brains scattered across the road or drive drunk? I don't remember reading anything about that in the constitution.

Ok. I'm done.

[Vaysh]

Have you ever heard of "micro expressions?"   Like on the show "Lie to Me."  Where you can look at subtle facial expressions on people.  I've seen a few pictures of he and Anna together, and I noticed one corner of his mouth is pointing down while one is pointing up.  That's the micro expression for "contempt".

I am spending way too much time analysing Duggar facial expressions based on what Lie To Me taught me about micro expressions. God, I miss that show.

 

As weird as it may sound, Lie to Me was the gateway to my strange and random Duggar obsession because I caught a few clips here and there and I just couldn't help noticing the discrepancy between what they were saying and what their faces showed.

 

Anna's parts of the specials were really interesting because you could see the bits where she really was upset and sad and then there were other scenes where she was clearly not beliveing a thing she said. Let's just say that unless she had a botox treatment in between shots, she was faking some of the sadness (or she was on her tenth take and just numb at that point).

[LilyoftheValley]

oh god yes.  Aside from being raised with the idea that women were inferior to him, and only exist to serve him... women are not human to him.  They are objects to be used by him.   

 

Have you ever heard of "micro expressions?"   Like on the show "Lie to Me."  Where you can look at subtle facial expressions on people.  I've seen a few pictures of he and Anna together, and I noticed one corner of his mouth is pointing down while one is pointing up.  That's the micro expression for "contempt".  

 

It's typical of christians to blame accusations on "the devil" and "the devil is lying to you" and "the devil is causing people to lie about me because of Jesus" and all that crap.  I know that's what he told Anna.

 

But  yes, you are spot on.  He likes "pussy", but he most definitely hates women.

On the question about biker's rights, you sparked my curiosity, so I took a look.  Apparently, bikers fight for their right to ride motorcycles without their helmet, among other things... they don't like safety regulations and they don't like sobriety checkpoints.  They claim it infringes on their rights.  Whatever that means.

It doesn't mean anything.  Bikers don't have any rights - they're just people using a certain mode of transportation.  

 

Anyway back to Josh.  Yes he loves pussy but hates women.  I know a lot of people argue that porn is harmless, but I think for a guy like Josh, his excessive consumption of porn has been extremely harmful.  It completely reinforced what he already thought about women, and there is a lot of porn out there that combines physical abuse of women with the sex.  

 

If this guy could have remained unmarried, and had casual, protected sex with whomever he pleased, then so much of his issues would not have had such tragic consequences.  I hope that at least a few fundie parents will see where this all went wrong: Josh was screaming to his parents who he really was and what he really wanted, and they completely dismissed his own wants and needs and pressured him into a life that was just not for him.

 

Oh yeah and the idea of him holding Anna in contempt reminded me of a couple of things.  First of all, a habitual liar always holds the person they are lying to in contempt.  But also it made me think of men who claim they "put women on a pedestal" and then are shocked that every woman they date dumps them and goes out with an "asshole".  It is the same concept with the super subservient wife: both kinds of people are proclaiming that they have no value.  Similar to economic principles, people don't want goods with no value and they also do not want mates with no value.  Anna's actions have just screamed "no value" to Josh, despite people telling her she has great value to him as a baby machine.  It's an interesting phenomenon really - by being everything to Josh she has made herself nothing to him.   

Edited January 6, 2016 by LilyoftheValley

[GeeGolly]

I'm not sure Josh hates woman, but I believe he thinks them to be second class citizens. It's another Gothard twisted thought process he tries to teach, of subjugating them, while simultaneously revering them. 

 

I'm not even sure Josh engaged in rough sex. The civil suit came out after the Ashley Madison scandal, when Josh was all over the news.

 

And while I'm not a lawyer, the documents for the case to be dismissed have to filed in legalese. I don't think you file for a case to be dismissed by saying "I didn't do it" because that is what the case would be for; to prove someones guilt.

 

I am curiously waiting for it to all unfold.

[lafcolleen]

Ok wait a minute here.

He told Anna the encounter never happened, and that Danica Dillon is lying and "people are making things up about me" because of christian persecution bullcrap.

Now, the reason for dismissing the lawsuit does not say that at all. It says that she was not injured by the contact, and that she consented to it.

OK, so which is true, Josh? How can she have consented to something she's making up? How can she be "not injured by" contact that didn't happen? It either happened or it didn't, Josh.

You didn't deny that it happened in the documentation submitted by your lawyers. You just lie to your wife, yet again. You shitbag.

The filing is a Motion to Dismiss. For such a motion, you don't have disputed facts (there are some exceptions but they don't appear to apply here - I haven't read the pleadings myself).

In a motion to dismiss, you take the position that - taking the complaint as truly setting forth the relevant facts, the plaintiff still has no legally enforceable right or claim.

So I don't think this means anything yet. We'll see what else comes out.

[Chalby]

I think from here on out, I want to see Josh fulfilling all of Anna's fantasies and requirements, and not the opposite. I would have him on a dog leash if I were Anna.

So we would see a lot of Josh vacuuming, scrubbing floors and cooking dinner? If my hubby does all of that, he's guaranteed a good time ;)

[Chalby]

Maybe they'll marry Anna off to John David. Might kill two birds with one stone right there.

In all seriousness, I wish Anna would look at Josh's brothers. There's a couple of them who are decent guys. Probably a little naive about the real world, but with good intentions. Josh didn't marry for the right reasons; he clearly should have been on his own, sowing his 'oats', and preferably with age-appropriate females. Anna just wanted to marry a good guy who'll love her and be loyal. I am sure there's at least one male Duggar who would step up. Isn't that an actual solution in other cultures? Or does the husband have to die before you marry his brother?

[Chalby]

30 days? That would not be long enough for anything. 3 to 4 months is about normal, here anyway.

Bottom line, the Duggars are using a media calendar for his sex rehab. I doubt very much if he is truly following a rehabilitation program because I don't think he believes what he did, was wrong. Yep, six months should be enough time for this story to be relegated to page 10 in the news. 

[Chalby]

... everyone is supposed to forgive him because he "graduated" and "developed a more personal relationship with Jesus". If you're looking to avoid responsibility for the mess you've created...

When I hear of all the atrocities done 'in Jesus' name" be it wars, abuse, etc., I can only imagine there will never be a Second Coming, and guaranteed He's kicking himself for the first 'coming'.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Chalby

[Chalby]

Oh I'd hire him. Not for lawyering..but. .um...something...something.

My God, that lawyer's picture is something else.If they wanted to remain low-key in the media, they are on the wrong path. This guy screams "media slut".

[Micks Picks]

Some time ago, when census records were easily obtainable on line without having to be a member of ancestor.com, I saw where an uncle in the 1800s would be married to one person in one census, and be married to her sister in the next census.  The reason was because the first sister died so he just took the next one.  Had to have somebody to care for the young-uns.   I found this a couple of times.  

[kandinski]

Zero sympathy left. She's an uneducated zombie by KNOWINGLY marrying a pedophile and putting those kids (and more to come) in continued danger every single day. Zero sympathy and zero respect. Those babies deserve better.

[CofCinci]

Zero sympathy left. She's an uneducated zombie by KNOWINGLY marrying a pedophile and putting those kids (and more to come) in continued danger every single day. Zero sympathy and zero respect. Those babies deserve better.

Yes.

Anna and her children are entitled to part of the Duggar money pie if she were to leave. Plus, she can easily make a deal for her own reality breaking free series. She holds the keys to her prison door. If she's spending each night crying in Jana's old bed, it's now her own fault. Leave. You're not going to be broke, Anna. He's going to do this all again because he's never received any true therapy. Hopefully his next victim isn't one of his own daughters.

[Lemur]

I'm not sure Josh hates woman, but I believe he thinks them to be second class citizens. It's another Gothard twisted thought process he tries to teach, of subjugating them, while simultaneously revering them. 

 

I'm not even sure Josh engaged in rough sex. The civil suit came out after the Ashley Madison scandal, when Josh was all over the news.

 

And while I'm not a lawyer, the documents for the case to be dismissed have to filed in legalese. I don't think you file for a case to be dismissed by saying "I didn't do it" because that is what the case would be for; to prove someones guilt.

 

I am curiously waiting for it to all unfold.

 

Even if Josh doesn't hate women, I'm sure he's got one helluva Mommy Complex after having been reared by the Clown Car and Smilin' Joe Bullshit.  Dude is probably a walking Netflix documentary of suppressed desires, patchwork Christian theology, hubris, and self-delusion.

 

As for the Motion for Dismissal, these are the usual opening shots in a legal battle.  Nothing really to see here.  I'm sure the next motion will be change of venue of the like.  

 

On the question about biker's rights, you sparked my curiosity, so I took a look.  Apparently, bikers fight for their right to ride motorcycles without their helmet, among other things... they don't like safety regulations and they don't like sobriety checkpoints.  They claim it infringes on their rights. Whatever that means.

 

They managed to repeal the helmet law in PA a could of years back.  It's that whole rebel biker/government overreach thing that plays so well in the certain parts of PA.  (The joke, when I was out at Penn State was you have Pittsburgh on side, Philadelphia on the other and Alabama all around.  You can guess what "certain parts" I'm referring to.)