Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[Marigold]

agree.

all that stuff she posts is pretty immodest. 

[MrsMommy]

I'm finding a but if hypocrisy here... When the duggars all follow the modesty rule we day they need to break away, live a little, etc... but when one starts to start from the duggar values weather it be clothing or whatever we then talk about how they aren't following the duggar cult rules. I'm personally happy as hell that jessa is straying from the modesty rule a bit. Small steps but good job girl

[Marigold]

Oh, i dont care what she wears. None of us do. 

 

I just find it funny that after the NIKE crap we have heard them talk about, now Jessa is in some sort of PANTS!  

Nike, nike, nike, nike. 

 

But that gets ignored by the Duggars.

 

You're not supposed to stir up unrighteous desires so posting sexy kissing pictures is OK? 

 

I think we are just goofing on the Duggars and their rules that change to suit them. I'm happy if Jessa wears what makes her happy. 

[Aja]

Personally, I would love to see any of the Duggar girls let go of their ridiculous modesty standards (that have nothing to do with modesty and everything to do with psychotic levels of hate and shame toward the female body that, if I remember correctly, God created.) Crowing about modesty and wholesomeness and godliness and defrauding and NIKE and righteous fulfillment and side hugs and hand sex whilst simultaneously posting selfies in which you pose like a Playboy bunny and demand everyone look closely at your body is just par for the Duggar hypocrisy course. It's infuriating and disturbing if you think too much about Jessa's mental state. There is a reason Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I think a large part of the reason it is such a huge concept in Christianity (at least according to the Bible) is because, in addition to reinforcing the notion that only God can judge, it's just a dickish way to be. When you literally build your livelihood off of your self-perceived superiority, you open yourself up to a world of criticism because, Christian or not, nobody likes a dick.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Aja

[truthtalk2014]

I'm finding a but if hypocrisy here... When the duggars all follow the modesty rule we day they need to break away, live a little, etc... but when one starts to start from the duggar values weather it be clothing or whatever we then talk about how they aren't following the duggar cult rules. I'm personally happy as hell that jessa is straying from the modesty rule a bit. Small steps but good job girl

I think it is just snarkism at its finest.  I think all of us wish Ben would take off his shirt and Jessa would come to the pool in a bikini.  

Edited July 7, 2015 by truthtalk2014

[Skittl1321]

Jessa's in pants? Good for her!

[kokapetl]

I don't really find the photos all that objectionable. She's plenty modest, she's a million miles away from a nipple slip or visible tampon string or anything like that, and I haven't heard anyone say 'nike' since they met Dolly Parton.

[truthtalk2014]

I think it is just snarkism at its finest.  I think all of us wish Ben would take off his shirt and Jessa would come to the pool in a bikini.  

ETA:  I personally hope that after TLC cancels them, a few of the Duggar girls will turn to Hef for a center page spread.  Lots of cash and all those followers would be the first ones to go out and buy a copy.  (In dark sunglasses and a baseball cap of course.)

[anony mouse]

ETA: I personally hope that after TLC cancels them, a few of the Duggar girls will turn to Hef for a center page spread. Lots of cash and all those followers would be the first ones to go out and buy a copy. (In dark sunglasses and a baseball cap of course.)

Just my opinion, but I think further sexual exploitation of abuse victims to be highly distasteful. I know you're joking, but that's the last thing any of these girls need.

[BitterApple]

I think at this point the gloves are off. Jessa was the one on Fox News railing against her family's critics. According to her, what happened with Josh was no biggie and they're all over it, so I'm taking her at her word.

Edited July 7, 2015 by BitterApple

[truthtalk2014]

Just my opinion, but I think further sexual exploitation of abuse victims to be highly distasteful. I know you're joking, but that's the last thing any of these girls need.

I was joking about the girls ever doing Playboy.  They won't.  But if they did, it would probably sell more than the Jimmy Swaggart hustler version - not sure if that is even the right magazine.  I just remember one in the late 80's. 

 

But, I'm of the opinion that women that pose for Playboy are not victims.  They love it- hope for it and go after it with a passion.  I also don't consider the female body to be a bad thing -even when nude.  I know the Duggars would strongly disagree.  Just my humble opinion.

 

I do consider anyone that has been a victim of molestation - just that- a victim.  Holly, Kendra, Bridget and the other playmates next door are having fun and doing what they choose to do- unlike the Duggar girls. 

[Julia]

I really think the women in that community have been reduced to body parts packaged for the male gaze enough for one lifetime. 

[anony mouse]

I really think the women in that community have been reduced to body parts packaged for the male gaze enough for one lifetime.

You've said it better than I did. This is exactly what I meant.

[kokapetl]

I was joking about the girls ever doing Playboy. They won't. But if they did, it would probably sell more than the Jimmy Swaggart hustler version - not sure if that is even the right magazine. I just remember one in the late 80's.

But, I'm of the opinion that women that pose for Playboy are not victims. They love it- hope for it and go after it with a passion. I also don't consider the female body to be a bad thing -even when nude. I know the Duggars would strongly disagree. Just my humble opinion.

I do consider anyone that has been a victim of molestation - just that- a victim. Holly, Kendra, Bridget and the other playmates next door are having fun and doing what they choose to do- unlike the Duggar girls.

That tire photo was Playboy for the Duggars.

[Flowers]

I normally would be all for Jessa's being as fabulously sexy as she likes.

But when she throws judgement on others, and goes on about sinners and defrauding, well eff her. Bitch is a hypocrite and should be called out for it.

[kokapetl]

Let's see Josh, Ben and Derick bare it all for Playgirl. Not that anyone is buying printed softcore porn anymore. I think Josh is micro p.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Sew Sumi]

That tire photo was Playboy for the Duggars.

Yeah. IIRC, part of Jessa's knee was exposed. 

[truthtalk2014]

That tire photo was Playboy for the Duggars.

Where is the tire photo?  I can't find it. 

[yogi2014L]

Let's see Josh, Ben and Derick bare it all for Playgirl. Not that anyone is buying printed softcore porn anymore. I think they're all micro p.

Um...how about just Ben...LOL

[Sew Sumi]

Where is the tire photo?  I can't find it. 

I think it came from her Instagram. It was a while ago.

[kokapetl]

Where is the tire photo? I can't find it.

I think it came from her Instagram. It was a while ago.

See my post here.

[GEML]

I also think all of the Duggars are plenty modest in every conceivable sense.

[Aja]

If an alien from another planet was assigned the task of coming to Earth and endeavoring to understand Gothardism, it would be a completely impossible task. There is zero consistency to anything. "We believe that God created everything and everything God creates is special except for boobs, which are Satanic. Sex is worst thing to ever happen to humanity except we do it constantly because it's the only way to make eleventy million babies. Everyone else on Earth is slutty and gross and don't seek to purpose a heart full of Christ like we do. For example gay adults have consensual sex with each other, which is so gross and perverted that it should be outlawed. Excuse me for a second while I go on national TV to try to convince the nation that my son molesting my daughters is no big whoop." 

[Sew Sumi]

I also think all of the Duggars are plenty modest in every conceivable sense.

*shrug* I imagine this applies to most everyone who posts here. But we'd still be looked down upon by Jessa because we don't adhere to HER form of "modesty" standards or her religion. 

Edited July 7, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[DangerousMinds]

I would love to see someone post that on her IG photos, because it's very accurate. Of course it would get deleted and they'd be blocked, but people would still have seen it.

I did leave a short comment to that effect recently. Never checked back, but was likely deleted.

I'm finding a but if hypocrisy here... When the duggars all follow the modesty rule we day they need to break away, live a little, etc... but when one starts to start from the duggar values weather it be clothing or whatever we then talk about how they aren't following the duggar cult rules. I'm personally happy as hell that jessa is straying from the modesty rule a bit. Small steps but good job girl

It's the hypocrisy that I object to.

[Julia]

My personal default definition of modesty involves not being self promoting or attention seeking. I don't really think they've mastered that. And it's a little harder to take since they've congratulated themselves all this time for being far more morally upright than they turned out to be.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Julia

[GeeGolly]

I think how Jessa and the rest of the girls dress typical for the average 20 something year old. However they are loosening their standards and never address it. Should shoulders & knees be shown, or not? And I don't understand how they think 2 shirts are more modest than one, the same curves show with 2 form fitting shirts that would show with one. And the tight fitting maxi skirts? I wouldn't call those modest at all.

 

Personally I think the way they dress is fine.  I just wonder who they are comparing themselves to when they call themselves modest.

[DangerousMinds]

My personal default definition of modesty involves not being self promoting or attention seeking. I don't really think they've mastered that.

Yes, they fail to understand that modesty is not all about how one dresses.

I also think all of the Duggars are plenty modest in every conceivable sense.

Since "defrauding" is such a no-no to them, don't you think that many of the recent Jessa/Bin photos have stirred up "desires that can't be righteously fulfilled" in quite a few people out there?

[Aja]

Julia, I actually always wondered about that. Does the whole !!!!MODESTY!!!!! thing apply only to women's clothing, or is it intended to be behavioral as well? Because if we're talking about ANYTHING other than floor-length skirts, here, I gotta say I've seen more modest pro wrestlers.

[kokapetl]

My personal default definition of modesty involves not being self promoting or attention seeking. I don't really think they've mastered that. And it's a little harder to take since they've congratulated themselves all this time for being far more morally upright than they turned out to be.

Problem is, the Duggars operate with a different definition of words. When they say defraud, they mean entice or allure. Who knows what they mean by modest or immodest. Or purposing to not defraud.

[GEML]

Having been pretty well schooled in this, I imagine some of us would pass the test and some would not. It's a very specific standard that means very specific things within a certain subculture. Yes, it's kind of silly that feet aren't given a sexual value when it's pretty clear that plenty of people within society have a foot fetish (perhaps even Gothard himself.) But it's about showing certain parts of the body a certain way. And they don't do that, never have, and almost certainly won't anytime soon.

[Joe Jitsu913]

The Duggars should practice modesty by not appearing on television or social media. Refraining from dry humping your wife at a golf course (on national t.v.!!) is a good start. Bragging about having a servant's heart while not doing a damned thing to help others is extremely immodest. They are complete hypocrites to the nth degree. Modesty is more than what you wear. It's an attitude and lifestyle.

[GEML]

I completely agree that they are self-serving.

[Pixie Chicken]

It's not just the Duggars.  Ridiculous as it may be, there's a whole subset of Christianity that adheres to "modesty" rules that are foreign to most everyone else.  The few I know in real life won't cut their hair or wear pants, but will wear tighter tops than I ever would and openly discuss their sex lives with their husbands, or brag on FB about whatever.  It's usually phrased as a humble brag that supposedly gives credit to God: "My kitchen remodel/new car/husband's latest raise is just so awesome!  My kids are the smartest and most athletic offspring ever! Here's a dozen photos as proof, but I can't take credit, because I'm just blessed by God!"

 

As a Christian myself, it rubs me the wrong way.  I don't know that those with lots of material possessions are more "blessed" than others, and I think it simplifies our relationship with God, but I don't find Jessa all that unique in this regard.  She's a product not just of her culture but of the Millenial generation.

[Churchhoney]

 I don't find Jessa all that unique in this regard.  She's a product not just of her culture but of the Millenial generation.

 

No question that the visible oldest young Duggars represent a perfect storm of bad influences. Gothard, Jim Bob and Michelle, the perpetual selfie generation -- and, the icing on the cake, they're "reality tv stars," which would be a completely warping experience even without all the rest of it.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Churchhoney

[GEML]

We used to mutter that half of people's testimonies weren't confessions or praises - it was out and out bragging.

I think what is missing in the Duggars lives is humility more than modesty. But that's me.

[Defrauder]

Sorry is this has been discussed already but does anyone know if the Duggar Compound rules state that a woman can't dye her hair because in that Jessa pregs pic in the closet it looks like she went blonde since the wedding.  Maybe Ben prefers blondes or maybe Jessa always wanted to be a blonde and her new headship doesn't mind.  Maybe Ben will loosen up on lots of Compound rules of the past and that'll probably really get on JB's and Mechelles nerves.  After the dry humping golf course day I wouldn't be surprised if Ben is so sick of JB and Mechelle he'll break every rule he can think of.

[BitterApple]

Defrauder, the Duggar girls have all been coloring their hair for a while. If you look at their younger pics, they all had mousy light auburn/brownish hair. Erin, Alyssa and Whitney Bates also have highlights so I don't think it's a big deal in their religion.

Edited July 8, 2015 by BitterApple

[mbutterfly]

It's not just the Duggars.  Ridiculous as it may be, there's a whole subset of Christianity that adheres to "modesty" rules that are foreign to most everyone else.  The few I know in real life won't cut their hair or wear pants, but will wear tighter tops than I ever would and openly discuss their sex lives with their husbands, or brag on FB about whatever.  It's usually phrased as a humble brag that supposedly gives credit to God: "My kitchen remodel/new car/husband's latest raise is just so awesome!  My kids are the smartest and most athletic offspring ever! Here's a dozen photos as proof, but I can't take credit, because I'm just blessed by God!"

 

As a Christian myself, it rubs me the wrong way.  I don't know that those with lots of material possessions are more "blessed" than others, and I think it simplifies our relationship with God, but I don't find Jessa all that unique in this regard.  She's a product not just of her culture but of the Millenial generation.

The only Scripture I find -- outside of the Apocrypha -- that has the word "modesty" is this:

 1 Timothy 2:9 

also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes,

Edited July 8, 2015 by mbutterfly

[kokapetl]

Michelle had a weird ombré look in the Megyna Monologues interview, and Jana had some fried blonde hair in the early years. As long as it's not green.

[Aja]

The only Scripture I find -- outside of the Apocrypha -- that has the word "modesty" is this:

 1 Timothy 2:9 

also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes,

Well, there you go. Floor-length skirts and flip flops are not "suitable" for construction work. Wrong again, Duggars!

[GEML]

And that verse of Timothy is ONE of the verses that explains why my ears aren't pierced. Sigh.

[Defrauder]

Defrauder, the Duggar girls have all been coloring their hair for a while. If you look at their younger pics, they all had mousy light auburn/brownish hair. Erin, Alyssa and Whitney Bates also have highlights so I don't think it's a big deal in their religion.

Thanks for the info.  I didn't know pimp daddy allowed it.  I suppose only if he likes it. 

[truthtalk2014]

The only Scripture I find -- outside of the Apocrypha -- that has the word "modesty" is this:

 1 Timothy 2:9 

also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes,

Well I guess Jilly Muffin is not following scripture.  She had a side braid in the goodbye video.  I'm feeling majorly defrauded.

 

Expensive clothes- oh yea, they find those Ugg boots at Goodwill.  

[CofCinci]

Michelle explained this in one of their earlier specials. They're allowed to use makeup and hair to draw attention to their "countenance".

[Cherrio]

Michelle explained this in one of their earlier specials. They're allowed to use makeup and hair to draw attention to their "countenance".

I laugh everytime I hear or see that word, countenance.     

[Defrauder]

Contagious, now I will lol every time too.  "Countenance".  I'd get Mechelle an updated dictionary replacing her 'purposing' ,'defrauding' 'countenance' go to words but it's just too funny.

[DangerousMinds]

Again, incredible lack of understanding about human sexuality from them. Plenty of men (and women) at attracted to a person's long, beautiful hair, their eyes, their lips, and of course their feet! Right now the older girls at wearing fairly tight clothes, outlining their bodies nicely. That's more than enough to cause someone to lust after them. Or, as they say, defraud someone.

[Defrauder]

I purpose to defraud people with my countenance every day.  I mean my hair, face, clothes, you know  I guess I'm just a natural defrauder that way.  Oh well. 

[Aja]

The more I learn, the clearer it becomes that their 'modesty' standards are very specifically tailored to cater to Bill Gothard's hair and foot fetish.