Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[Cinnabon]

18 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Jed may have taken his phone calls just because Josh is his brother.  I have not a clue how I would react if my brother did something that horrible but I don't think I would refuse to speak with him. I would make sure he was never alone with a child and strongly urge him to get consoling and I don't think I would go out if state to visit him in prison but I would take his calls. 

I get your point, but I’m just not convinced that Jed! (and other family members) doesn’t buy into the conspiracy/persecution narratives. By not denouncing Josh and his behaviors, he leaves that open to interpretation.

Edited May 17, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Dustbunny]

what does "FF" stand for?

[SMama]

1 minute ago, Dustbunny said:

what does "FF" stand for?

Federal Felon

I thought it was Fucking Felon. 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Dustbunny said:

what does "FF" stand for?

Family felon. Fat fuck. Whatever you choose. 😁

[Dustbunny]

Just now, SMama said:

Federal Felon

I thought it was Fucking Felon. 

 

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Family felon. Fat fuck. Whatever you choose. 😁

Thanks!

[NotthebadVictoria]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Family felon. Fat fuck. Whatever you choose. 😁

I don’t think we’re allowed to say the ‘F’ word anymore so I guess it’s Family Felon. Fucking Fuck 🤣

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, NotthebadVictoria said:

I don’t think we’re allowed to say the ‘F’ word anymore so I guess it’s Family Felon. Fucking Fuck 🤣

That's why I said you could choose. FF can mean anything. 😀

[Rabbittron]

2 hours ago, SMama said:

Federal Felon

I thought it was Fucking Felon. 

Fat Felon

[CalicoKitty]

11 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

Fat Felon

Family Felon

[MamaMax]

15 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

I get your point, but I’m just not convinced that Jed! (and other family members) doesn’t buy into the conspiracy/persecution narratives. By not denouncing Josh and his behaviors, he leaves that open to interpretation.

I think the level to which they have all been gas-lit by JimBob can not be overestimated. I doubt a single Duggar, besides Jim Bob,  has any accurate sense of what REALLY went on with Josh.  I would include all the kids AND Michelle in that. 

[Minivanessa]

48 minutes ago, MamaMax said:

I think the level to which they have all been gas-lit by JimBob can not be overestimated. I doubt a single Duggar, besides Jim Bob,  has any accurate sense of what REALLY went on with Josh.  I would include all the kids AND Michelle in that. 

From your keyboard to God's ears. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Austin looked so angry when he attended the trial. He was hearing something quite different from whatever JB had told him. I think that applies to the molestations and to the CSAM case. I've always sensed that Austin was not a huge fan of JB, although I'm sure they share the same religious beliefs and world views. JB's a slick-talking deal-making entrepreneur, and IMO Austin's a different personality type. So even if JB has gaslit his own kids about Josh, I think Austin would be less totally snowed and more likely to be open to hearing the truth and not just JB's version of events. 

ETA: sorry, I didn't realize this was in the Seewald topic. I wonder if Bin's frequently sullen demeanor isn't all because of his marriage, but may also reflect some degree of disillusion with the Almighty JB Duggar.

Edited May 17, 2022 by Jeeves

[emmawoodhouse]

I think Ben and Boob are tight. His sullen demeanor certainly comes from living with domineering, overbearing Jessa. He seems to be a pushover.

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, MamaMax said:

I think the level to which they have all been gas-lit by JimBob can not be overestimated. I doubt a single Duggar, besides Jim Bob,  has any accurate sense of what REALLY went on with Josh.  I would include all the kids AND Michelle in that. 

Probably true, but I think all of the adults in the family, especially the ones with young kids of their own now, should have made an effort to find out what really happened. They have access to the same public records we do. 

[MamaMax]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I think Ben and Boob are tight. His sullen demeanor certainly comes from living with domineering, overbearing Jessa. He seems to be a pushover.

Bless his heart, I just don't think Ben is that smart. I think he's likely one of the easiest to con. 

[GeeGolly]

I definitely think JB is the king of gaslighting, but I also think there was no reason for anyone to question anything when the first 2 scandals broke. They all knew that the molestations happened and the Ashley Madison scandal really wasn't about anyone but Josh and Anna.

When the third scandal hit most of the adults perked up and went about seeing what's up. I don't think any of the ones attending the trial were looking for info about the molestations, they were looking for the truth of Josh's charges.

I do wonder what the Seewalds truly think and how much their thoughts and/or public reactions center around their relationship with JB & M. I obviously don't believe they think CSA is okay, but Jessa appears to be a very selfish person so I could see her focusing on the inconvenience of the situation rather than the reality put it front of her.

[Notabug]

20 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I definitely think JB is the king of gaslighting, but I also think there was no reason for anyone to question anything when the first 2 scandals broke. They all knew that the molestations happened and the Ashley Madison scandal really wasn't about anyone but Josh and Anna.

When the third scandal hit most of the adults perked up and went about seeing what's up. I don't think any of the ones attending the trial were looking for info about the molestations, they were looking for the truth of Josh's charges.

I do wonder what the Seewalds truly think and how much their thoughts and/or public reactions center around their relationship with JB & M. I obviously don't believe they think CSA is okay, but Jessa appears to be a very selfish person so I could see her focusing on the inconvenience of the situation rather than the reality put it front of her.

Of all the adult daughters, Jessa is most dependent financially and otherwise on JB and M.  We've only heard the barest details of JB's argument with Derick and Jill over money; I'll bet Jessa heard and earful and it was very ugly.  There's no way she's going to risk JB's wrath at this point by publicly saying anything other than the vaguest statements about Josh.  JB probably approved their first statement after the trial; Gothard does view all sins as equal, so the abuse of children is the same as adult porn in JB's world- and Jessa's.

Also, Jessa's husband seems least likely to be able to support their family should they fall out of favor with JB.

Jessa is a pragmatist, she will do what she needs to do to keep her status in the family.

[Westiepeach]

Jessa thinks whatever Boob tells her to think. And she always will. Bin thinks whatever Jessa tells him to think. And he always will.

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

Jessa thinks whatever Boob tells her to think. And she always will. Bin thinks whatever Jessa tells him to think. And he always will.

They are pathetic cowards.

[GeeGolly]

I was reading through some tweets of Derick's and a comment from Derick I had never seen before jumped out at me. The tweet implied that Jill and other Duggar kiddults were paid through a contract with TLC, but not the spouses. Something else I read (maybe a tweet response?) left me thinking JB & M took the lion's share of the TLC pay through their own contract.

Now that the TLC money is gone it has me wondering how the Seewalds are making ends meet. It seems all the brothers are out there scrambling and actually working, but Ben pastors to a church that likely has less congregants than there are Duggars. And Jessa has slowed down on her YouTube content. Could they have actually saved and invested their money? It just gets curiouser and curiouser.

[emmawoodhouse]

Jessa said in her deposition that she made $30k last year. Was Ben even working then? He certainly wasn't contributing much. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jessa said in her deposition that she made $30k last year. Was Ben even working then? He certainly wasn't contributing much. 

If she was talking gross income, the self employment taxes probably reduced that by 40+%

[SMama]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jessa said in her deposition that she made $30k last year. Was Ben even working then? He certainly wasn't contributing much. 

That is in stark contrast to the Vuolos income. I hope Jessa is happy to be stuck with man child Ben. 

 

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

If she was talking gross income, the self employment taxes probably reduced that by 40+%

I’m sure JB taught them how to avoid paying taxes, or pay very little. 

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jessa said in her deposition that she made $30k last year. Was Ben even working then? He certainly wasn't contributing much. 

Shit $30,000?! I wonder if Ben took home about the same amount? If he did $60,000 a year is enough for them to survive, but hardly enough to sink 10s of thousands of dollars into a house reno.

[lascuba]

26 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I was reading through some tweets of Derick's and a comment from Derick I had never seen before jumped out at me. The tweet implied that Jill and other Duggar kiddults were paid through a contract with TLC, but not the spouses. Something else I read (maybe a tweet response?) left me thinking JB & M took the lion's share of the TLC pay through their own contract.

Now that the TLC money is gone it has me wondering how the Seewalds are making ends meet. It seems all the brothers are out there scrambling and actually working, but Ben pastors to a church that likely has less congregants than there are Duggars. And Jessa has slowed down on her YouTube content. Could they have actually saved and invested their money? It just gets curiouser and curiouser.

I've never paid attention to the Duggar LLCs and who has what, but I wonder how likely it is that she and Ben have something like that buried deep and have rental income coming in.

JM and Michelle made a show of living well below their means for years, to the point of stuffing 16 children into a tiny rental home and having strangers drop off donations at their door, even though they had plenty of money in the bank. It's possible Jessa has enough in savings, investments, and real estate to be just fine without TLC despite all publicly-knowable facts. It's super weird to me, as someone who's always had to work money, but the Duggars can be very good at keeping secrets when they make the effort.

ETA: Or not. $30K?! Damn. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by lascuba

[Cinnabon]

9 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Shit $30,000?! I wonder if Ben took home about the same amount? If he did $60,000 a year is enough for them to survive, but hardly enough to sink 10s of thousands of dollars into a house reno.

It goes a long way when you don’t have to pay rent or a mortgage. No idea what their property taxes, utilities, vehicles and insurance, etc cost them.

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

It goes a long way when you don’t have to pay rent or a mortgage. No idea what their property taxes, utilities, vehicles and insurance, etc cost them.

$60,000 for sure, but $30,000 with four kids, not so much.

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I've never paid attention to the Duggar LLCs and who has what, but I wonder how likely it is that she and Ben have something like that buried deep and have rental income coming in.

JM and Michelle made a show of living well below their means for years, to the point of stuffing 16 children into a tiny rental home and having strangers drop off donations at their door, even though they had plenty of money in the bank. It's possible Jessa has enough in savings, investments, and real estate to be just fine without TLC despite all publicly-knowable facts. It's super weird to me, as someone who's always had to work money, but the Duggars can be very good at keeping secrets when they make the effort.

If they had rental income coming in, that should still have been included in the alleged $30,000.

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I've never paid attention to the Duggar LLCs and who has what, but I wonder how likely it is that she and Ben have something like that buried deep and have rental income coming in.

JM and Michelle made a show of living well below their means for years, to the point of stuffing 16 children into a tiny rental home and having strangers drop off donations at their door, even though they had plenty of money in the bank. It's possible Jessa has enough in savings, investments, and real estate to be just fine without TLC despite all publicly-knowable facts. It's super weird to me, as someone who's always had to work money, but the Duggars can be very good at keeping secrets when they make the effort.

ETA: Or not. $30K?! Damn. 

I don't think @crazy8s has found any LLCs owned by the Seewalds. 

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

$60,000 for sure, but $30,000 with four kids, not so much.

We can't assume Ben made that much before he got his minister gig. And even now, he's probably not making more than $30-40k. It's a very small church. 

[crazy8s]

In all my Llc and property searches, I have never found any property in the Seewald's name except the mold house.

I have found no llcs for Ben and Jessa in their name, or for them under Travis Story, like both car lots, or under Jimmy Burns like both of Austin's. I suppose they could have something under Registered Agent, but that has 1,000s to sift through. That's how Dwain Swanson has his set up.

As far as cars -I assume they got them free or very cheap from Jed.

Edited May 17, 2022 by crazy8s

[Cinnabon]

14 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

In all my Llc and property searches, I have never found any property in the Seewald's name except the mold house.

I have found no llcs for Ben and Jessa in their name, or for them under Travis Story, like both car lots, or under Jimmy Burns like both of Austin's. I suppose they could have something under Registered Agent, but that has 1,000s to sift through. That's how Dwain Swanson has his set up.

As far as cars -I assume they got them free or very cheap from Jed.

Why the hell does Austin have 2 LLCs? So much for distancing himself from Boob. I’m sure they all do get their cars at a very discounted rate, but they still need to pay fees and insurance.

[lascuba]

Duggars gonna Duggar...it wouldn't surprise me if they have something shady going on where technically Jessa only made $30K last year but there's actually a lot more. Hell, she might have arranged it to look that way to have "proof" that the In Touch story ruined her financially. 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, lascuba said:

Duggars gonna Duggar...it wouldn't surprise me if they have something shady going on where technically Jessa only made $30K last year but there's actually a lot more. Hell, she might have arranged it to look that way to have "proof" that the In Touch story ruined her financially. 

I had the same thought. But would she really like under oath? 

Oh hell, she's her father's daughter. I wouldn't put it past her, but 30k is the number she floated.

[GeeGolly]

When did Ben start pastoring? Before or during the pandemic?

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

When did Ben start pastoring? Before or during the pandemic?

Sometime last year, IIRC.

[lascuba]

41 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I had the same thought. But would she really like under oath? 

Oh hell, she's her father's daughter. I wouldn't put it past her, but 30k is the number she floated.

Depending on how the income question was worded, she could technically not be lying. Not being truthful while not technically lying has always been Jessa's thing. 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, lascuba said:

Duggars gonna Duggar...it wouldn't surprise me if they have something shady going on where technically Jessa only made $30K last year but there's actually a lot more. Hell, she might have arranged it to look that way to have "proof" that the In Touch story ruined her financially. 

For sure. Jessa is the most consistent liar in that family after Boob and FF.

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

When did Ben start pastoring? Before or during the pandemic?

Isn’t his “church” largely online? Does he even preach “live?”

[Zella]

I have nobody else to share this with, but I was rummaging around in my books this past weekend and was wondering why celebrity chef Rick Bayless looks oddly familiar. It finally dawned on me today that he looks like an older Ben, but like if Ben had a life that didn't suck. LOL 

[emmawoodhouse]

6 minutes ago, Zella said:

I have nobody else to share this with, but I was rummaging around in my books this past weekend and was wondering why celebrity chef Rick Bayless looks oddly familiar. It finally dawned on me today that he looks like an older Ben, but like if Ben had a life that didn't suck. LOL 

Nooooo! Don't ruin Rick Bayless for me! 😥

[Zella]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Nooooo! Don't ruin Rick Bayless for me! 😥

I just can't look at his face now without expecting him to meditate on how much he likes string cheese, but I still like him and his books. :) 

[GeeGolly]

Okay, I just Google the guy. I do see a resemblance.

[emmawoodhouse]

43 minutes ago, Zella said:

I just can't look at his face now without expecting him to meditate on how much he likes string cheese, but I still like him and his books. :) 

Rick! Back away from the string cheese! 😀

[lascuba]

 

8 hours ago, Zella said:

I have nobody else to share this with, but I was rummaging around in my books this past weekend and was wondering why celebrity chef Rick Bayless looks oddly familiar. It finally dawned on me today that he looks like an older Ben, but like if Ben had a life that didn't suck. LOL 

Why would you attack me this way?

[farmgal4]

13 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I don't think @crazy8s has found any LLCs owned by the Seewalds. 

We can't assume Ben made that much before he got his minister gig. And even now, he's probably not making more than $30-40k. It's a very small church. 

If the Seewald’s new house was the church parsonage, and therefore owned by the church, the church may have given the house to Ben in lieu of a salary.

[SMama]

1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

If the Seewald’s new house was the church parsonage, and therefore owned by the church, the church may have given the house to Ben in lieu of a salary.

That is one generous benefit. I wonder if the Mold House is for rent or sale.

[farmgal4]

35 minutes ago, SMama said:

That is one generous benefit. I wonder if the Mold House is for rent or sale.

I don’t know that to be true, but it’s a possibility.

[MargeGunderson]

2 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

If the Seewald’s new house was the church parsonage, and therefore owned by the church, the church may have given the house to Ben in lieu of a salary.

Do you mean given to use while he is pastor, or given to Ben outright? The first isn’t unusual when the church owns a house/parsonage; for churches that don’t, pastors sometimes get a housing allowance. I would be surprised if the church gave Ben the title to the house. 
 

 

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, SMama said:

That is one generous benefit. I wonder if the Mold House is for rent or sale.

I have not found a listing for the mold house being for sale or rent. Maybe James and Jackson will move there and put their sister's old beds a foot apart and call it a bachelor pad. 😂

[emmawoodhouse]

Yeah, it appears that Benessa still own the Mold House. No other property shows up in their name in Washington County. I think the church is in Springdale, so that's the same county.

eta Tried to search Benton County, but the recaptcha thingie isn't operating. Maybe someone else may have better luck?

Edited May 18, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[crazy8s]

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, it appears that Benessa still own the Mold House. No other property shows up in their name in Washington County. I think the church is in Springdale, so that's the same county.

eta Tried to search Benton County, but the recaptcha thingie isn't operating. Maybe someone else may have better luck?

Benton County search shows no results for Seewald. Jason's llc is up to 11 properties though.

[babyhouseman]

This might be already known, but I found this in an article. 

"Jessa once worked for her father Jim Bob, by helping pick out designs for homes he would flip."

I didn't know she was so talented at house design. lol