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GeeGolly
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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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16 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Jinger's set looked to be pavé. How would they compare, cost-wise, to the real thing? That's a pretty generous freebie.

This is the necklace Jerm linked in the video, so even with the smallest center at 1/2 carat, it's still retailing for almost $800.  Then the matching earrings are extra. It's a classy looking set to me, not too ostentatiously blingy.   https://www.diamondnexus.com/products/pamplona-necklace-1/

No clue about the cost comparison to natural diamond jewelry. 

As a conflict-free alternative, it's pretty popular with the granola set in my neck of the woods.  Nobody was killed or maimed to provide the pretty sparkles, so it's a humble brag.  

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floridamom

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My opinion is that there was no way that Jinger didn't already know about this partnership and "surprise video". When Jer went out to the driveway to film Jinger getting out of the car, it looked to me like they set up that shot. I also noticed the minute amount of pasta Jinger put in her dish. I think silly Jeremy boiled the whole 1 pound box of pasta! Way too much...even if Jinger ate her share, which she didn't. He also would have never included (well, sort of) Felicity in this if Jinger didn't already agree to it. I think he should have left the girl out of it as it was quite annoying to me to not see her, yet phantom-like hear her. I'm tired of the back of her head. These two are a bit fakey to me. I take offense when Jeremy proclaims how "Italian" he is. His Italian roots belong to his great-grandparents who actually were Italian. His grandma Vuolo is not Italian. She stated this in a Duggar video. Her great recipes are her mother-in-law's, which she had to learn how to cook. He is, what, 3rd generation American. Get real, Jeremy....this from a 100% Italian woman who is a 1st generation American. We don't know what background Grandma Vuolo is and what background Jer's mother is as she is not Italian to my knowledge. Please feel free to correct me here if I am mistaken.

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auntieminem

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Jinger (Mr. Jinger) posted a video about Shiny Happy People.  Not sure why they made it now. It was to explain why she did not participate. Main reasons she wanted to control her narrative and was concerned about editing.  The other was it didn't address helping people who were victims, where they can get help and how they can still have faith. They talk about her book and how you can reject IBLP and still be christian.  They do kind of acknowledge that it was a documentary about IBLP so helping people keep their faith was not part of the purpose (but still yammered on about not helping people find Jesus). She also acknowledged it was very accurate about the teachings and how bad Bill Gothard was.  She had some good points but but it was just silly they found fault in a documentary not presenting the  christian view. 

 

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5 hours ago, auntieminem said:

Jinger (Mr. Jinger) posted a video about Shiny Happy People.  Not sure why they made it now. It was to explain why she did not participate. Main reasons she wanted to control her narrative and was concerned about editing.  The other was it didn't address helping people who were victims, where they can get help and how they can still have faith. They talk about her book and how you can reject IBLP and still be christian.  They do kind of acknowledge that it was a documentary about IBLP so helping people keep their faith was not part of the purpose (but still yammered on about not helping people find Jesus). She also acknowledged it was very accurate about the teachings and how bad Bill Gothard was.  She had some good points but but it was just silly they found fault in a documentary not presenting the  christian view. 

 

I think it was just another promotion for her book and MacArthur. And Jeremy!

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6 hours ago, auntieminem said:

They do kind of acknowledge that it was a documentary about IBLP so helping people keep their faith was not part of the purpose (but still yammered on about not helping people find Jesus). She also acknowledged it was very accurate about the teachings and how bad Bill Gothard was.  She had some good points but but it was just silly they found fault in a documentary not presenting the  christian view. 

 

 

I am shocked, shocked, shocked that Amazon, of all corporations, showed absolutely no interest in helping people find Jesus instead of Kindles.

Shocked shocked shocked. So grateful to the two of them for pointing this out to me.

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GeeGolly

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24 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

If Jinger wants the Christian perspective of the documentary, most Christians are appauled and horrified at Gothard, his rules and how children were abused, Jinger. Jesus would be too.

I think that is exactly what Jinger is saying. She may only be Fundy-lite now, but she gets Gothard and IBLP were/are dangerous and unchristian. 

I was surprised she mentioned her dad. She said JB controls a lot and familial relationships have been fractured for a while.

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GeeGolly

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I know Jinger is not a Duggar favorite and Jill is, but IMO, Jinger took a higher road in revealing how their parents' religious beliefs and JB's power impacted their childhoods and adulthoods. Jill on the other hand has stated her childhood was pretty great and adult her beef with JB is over money. Sure, Jinger's book had a lot of read between the lines, but the message was there.

IMO, Jinger has never wanted to throw her parents under a scandalous bus, but Derick did, so Jill did it for him.

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AstridM

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10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think that is exactly what Jinger is saying. She may only be Fundy-lite now, but she gets Gothard and IBLP were/are dangerous and unchristian. 

I was surprised she mentioned her dad. She said JB controls a lot and familial relationships have been fractured for a while.

She doesn’t truly get it, though. IMO, she’s just traded one horrendous belief system for another 🥲. McArthur is also abusive and dangerous. 

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GeeGolly

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4 hours ago, AstridM said:

She doesn’t truly get it, though. IMO, she’s just traded one horrendous belief system for another 🥲. McArthur is also abusive and dangerous. 

I agree MacDaddy is a misogynistic religious zealot who likes to wield his power, but I don't feel he leads a cult. IMO, the congregants are free to cherry pick their beliefs, the same as many other churches. 

I don't expect Jinger or Jill to ever become liberal Christians. I for sure believe they will both lead lives that include judging others and interfering with human rights, but I feel Jinger is one step closer to recognizing, or to use her word, disentangling, what leans cult and what leans Christian, than Jill is.

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AstridM

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree MacDaddy is a misogynistic religious zealot who likes to wield his power, but I don't feel he leads a cult. IMO, the congregants are free to cherry pick their beliefs, the same as many other churches. 

I don't expect Jinger or Jill to ever become liberal Christians. I for sure believe they will both lead lives that include judging others and interfering with human rights, but I feel Jinger is one step closer to recognizing, or to use her word, disentangling, what leans cult and what leans Christian, than Jill is.

How is she one step closer, specifically? I’m not following.

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Salacious Kitty

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I don't think it's fair to compare Jill to Jinger. They had vastly different journeys once they were able to distance themselves from the IBLP. Jill is now estranged from her father and other family members. Jinger has been very careful not to blame JB/Meech for their part in immersing the family in false teachings. AFAIK, no one has disowned her. 

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, AstridM said:

How is she one step closer, specifically? I’m not following.

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I don't think it's fair to compare Jill to Jinger. They had vastly different journeys once they were able to distance themselves from the IBLP. Jill is now estranged from her father and other family members. Jinger has been very careful not to blame JB/Meech for their part in immersing the family in false teachings. AFAIK, no one has disowned her. 

Jill, IMO has given little specification of what parts of Gothardism/IBLP is damaging other than giving a father lifetime authority. She talks about a blissful childhood. She doesn't seem to understand insisting children obey is taking away their agency and giving it to their parent(s). I think Jill will get there someday, but she's focused on a financial family feud more than being raised in a cult, whereas Jinger was focused on the damage cults can do.

I think Jinger did fully blame JB&M. They raised her. She said the way she was raised made both her childhood and adulthood difficult. She's discussed trying to figure out where Gothard/IBLP stops and Christianity starts. She also said she has fractured relationships with some family members.

 

 

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Jynnan tonnix

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42 minutes ago, beckie said:

Wasn't Jill the family snitch? The goody two shoes who never did anything wrong? Maybe that's why she sees her childhood as good, because for her, it was. 

It's only been recently that she's seen things differently. 

This does strike me as having a lot of truth to it. The thing that puzzles me about Jill ( and one of the things which has always appealed to me about her) is that bohemian streak she seems to have. That just suggests a bit of a rebellious nature, which she has not really otherwise displayed when it comes to her upbringing, at least. Maybe she reminds me a little of myself. I was always the goody-two-shoes in some ways, being too timid to overtly display any rebellion, but internally, seething at the notion of having to conform. 

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floridamom

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I am half way through reading Jinger's newest book. I am sad to read just how fearful and scared to death she had become due to her parents' belief system. How could parents not know or not really care that Jinger was so frightened. She stated that she would end up sleeping in her parents' bedroom due to her examination of conscience at night and maybe she skipped a "sin" that she should atone for. How could parents not know the depth of her fear and do nothing, really, about it?

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AstridM

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34 minutes ago, floridamom said:

I am half way through reading Jinger's newest book. I am sad to read just how fearful and scared to death she had become due to her parents' belief system. How could parents not know or not really care that Jinger was so frightened. She stated that she would end up sleeping in her parents' bedroom due to her examination of conscience at night and maybe she skipped a "sin" that she should atone for. How could parents not know the depth of her fear and do nothing, really, about it?

It’s a fear-based religion/cult. 

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laurakaye

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My guess is that JB and Michelle fed that fear because a fearful child is more willing to do whatever their parents tell them to do and not step out of line.  They probably wished that all of their kids were as fearful as Jinger.

Sad to think that these kids didn't get the comfort they should've gotten from their parents, no matter what it was that they were scared of...including what was going on under their own roof.

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AstridM

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3 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

My guess is that JB and Michelle fed that fear because a fearful child is more willing to do whatever their parents tell them to do and not step out of line.  They probably wished that all of their kids were as fearful as Jinger.

Sad to think that these kids didn't get the comfort they should've gotten from their parents, no matter what it was that they were scared of...including what was going on under their own roof.

Exactly - fearful kids are more compliant. 

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GeeGolly

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Gothard, and other cult leaders are smart, they grow the fear toward some abstract entity and give the power of safety and comfort to themselves and other 'elders'. For Gothard/IBLP this dynamic creates triangulation. So the kids look to their parents and religion based rules for safety and everything and everyone else, like societal norms and even siblings are suspect and unsafe.

Imagine Jessa talking Jinger into skipping quiet Bible time and instead doing each others make-up. Later that night Jessa is sound asleep and Jinger is wondering if she double sinned - skipping prayer and focusing on her looks. She now fears God's wrath and goes to her parents for comfort. Jinger also likely wonders if Jessa did this on purpose.

Jill on the other hand followed most of the rules and was more of a surface believer of Jesus and didn't dig too deep in it all. So if Jill 'sinned', she just atoned and moved on - rules followed, all is good.

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GeeGolly

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1 hour ago, Notabug said:

Instead of sad beige, they went for funereal black on little kids.  Very Kardashian of them.

I know, right? I went to a small gathering, made a quick appearance at a party and was sent pictures of another, over the Christmas season. Is black the new red & green? More folks than not, including kids, were wearing black. Some had a touch of red or green with shoes, bows, nylons/tights and jewelry, but one would hardly know these were Christmas parties.

I'm not saying I expect everyone to show up looking like elves, but it seems in the past most folks wore clothes with at least a nod toward Christmas if not more. Now it seems they're barely giving it a wink.

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