S07.E08: Didn't Mean It

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, truelovekiss said:

David is a classic controlling douchebag boyfriend. He's integrating himself into every facet of her life. 

Both Corey and Leah have said things like "use it or lose it," in reference to Ali-girl's muscles. As if the advice of a specialist is comparable to a rhyming idiom.

I can't even. 

I did like David's comments about Nathan's chicken legs, though. They came from insecurity, but his legs are indeed hilarious. 

[truelovekiss]

3 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I can't even. 

I did like David's comments about Nathan's chicken legs, though. They came from insecurity, but his legs are indeed hilarious. 

That was hilarious!! But you're right, David does feel totally threatened by Nathan, and that was the only shot he could take. 

1 hour ago, Mkay said:

This is about the after show: Kail and Chelsea were saying they should ask Isaac how they look if they want honesty, he'll tell you. Chelsea says she asks Kail for her opinion because she knows Kail will be truthful. Why didn't Chelsea or Isaac tell Kail how ridiculous her lips look?! I can't look at anything else the whole episode. It's terrible!

I've seen like 7 women in the course of my lifetime that have worn red lipstick and looked fabulous. I'm sorry, but it's just not for everyone.

[radishcake]

Everyone needs to read this thread : HOW TO IGNORE if you continue to report every passive aggressive post that you THINK MIGHT be talking about you 1) it's not and there's no reason to respond and 2) IGNORE the person and move on.

At every party there's always someone who doesn't know how to have polite discussions with others. Do what you would do at the party and stop talking to them. If you use the ignore feature you will NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. It will be like they disappeared into the ether. I wish I had this feature in real life. So please please use the tools you have to make this site fun and snarky about THE SHOW and not each other. 

Continued infighting and reporting of perceived infighting will result in time outs. 

[Mkay]

10 minutes ago, truelovekiss said:

That was hilarious!! But you're right, David does feel totally threatened by Nathan, and that was the only shot he could take. 

I've seen like 7 women in the course of my lifetime that have worn red lipstick and looked fabulous. I'm sorry, but it's just not for everyone.

Not the red lipstick though ,but the injections.  Then she put Red on them. Aghhh my eyes! Lol

Edited May 3, 2016 by Mkay

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, truelovekiss said:

 

I've seen like 7 women in the course of my lifetime that have worn red lipstick and looked fabulous. I'm sorry, but it's just not for everyone.

I agree red lipstick is really hard to pull off. Since it draws all the attention to the lower portion of your face, you really need to have a certain kind of jawline and lips to make it look flattering.  On someone like Marilyn Monroe it looked awesome, on Kail, not so much.

[ReadMeLattice]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

I agree red lipstick is really hard to pull off. Since it draws all the attention to the lower portion of your face, you really need to have a certain kind of jawline and lips to make it look flattering.  On someone like Marilyn Monroe it looked awesome, on Kail, not so much.

The lower portion of her face is Kail's Achilles heel. 

[TwirlyGirly]

34 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

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I thought Chelsea's wedding venue looked nice, but something in the woods like that will be awfully buggy in the summer. All I could think of was mosquitos and Lyme disease.

Methinks Chelsea doesn't put much thought into those kinds of issues. Bear in mind she and Cole went to Puerto Rico recently, where the Zika virus is taking hold, and her legs looked like they had been bitten up during the scenes shot there....

[charmed1]

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I give Kail a lot of crap, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say she encouraged it. I bet it just happened naturally. SHE also calls Javi "Daddy" when talking to Lincoln. If she's talking to both of them, is going to say - "Let's go pick up Daddy slash Javi"? I think it probably just came about organically, and it seems like Jo is mature enough to understand the bond his son has with Javi, so I don't know that he even cares. 

Yeah as much as I'd like to give Kail shit about this one, I can't. Lincoln calls Javi "daddy" so maybe Isaac does too.  Farrah has an older half sister who calls Farrah's dad, "Michael." And because of that, Farrah calls her biological father, "Michael." Which I guess is the least bizarre thing about that family.

[FlowerofCarnage]

I guess I so wanted Jace to say "My mom'said name is Barb...."

I felt so horrible for him when he failed his spelling test. 

 

I was thinking that maybe they have support groups for spouses and children of servicepersons  that have been deployed. Maybe Isaac can deal with the situation better if he interacted with other children going through the same thing  but that would mean Kail would actually have to give a shit that Javi is gone.j

[SPLAIN]

4 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

This has bugged me for weeks. Jo isn't some uninvolved dickbag of a dad. I'd object to Aubree calling Cole dad, I object to Chelsea constantly reminding Aubree that Cole isn't a replacement for her unfortunate real father, but no one here ever says boo that Kailyn allows, and probably at some point even encouraged, Isaac to call Javi 'daddy'. It seems right up her passive aggressive alley. 

Agree. Cole and Javi being called "dad" when they have their own fathers in their lives, is bothersome to me. Jo has no issue with it. How mature of him. Still, my personal feeling is it should be discouraged. Isaac would have understood why he calls Javi by his name. That whole thing started when Kail was telling Javi (still does on the show) how he is the best father and has been consistently there for Isaac. Part of that manipulation entailed this whole call-Javi-dad. Kail thought she could get Jo to disappear altogether. Isaac calling Javi "dad" was her move to get her child ready for that day.

[starfire]

2 hours ago, Mkay said:

I forget how it was used in context but I assumed it was Javi's mom aka housekeeper/live in babysitter.  

The context was when Kail was going to read a book to the boys in bed and Lincoln asked where Zaza was. Kail pretended that she didn't know where he was and asked if they should they just read the book without him, and then Isaac/Zaza jumped out from under the covers. Those boys are adorable.

[FlowerofCarnage]

I guess letting Jace play Grand Theft Auto is just preparing him for when he actually does commit Grand Theft Auto. Also, I am not surprised by his cursing given what he is exposed to.

[Chicken Wing]

12 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Agree. Cole and Javi being called "dad" when they have their own fathers in their lives, is bothersome to me. Jo has no issue with it. How mature of him. Still, my personal feeling is it should be discouraged. Isaac would have understood why he calls Javi by his name. That whole thing started when Kail was telling Javi (still does on the show) how he is the best father and has been consistently there for Isaac. Part of that manipulation entailed this whole call-Javi-dad. Kail thought she could get Jo to disappear altogether. Isaac calling Javi "dad" was her move to get her child ready for that day.

I agree that, in Kail's case, she was all but encouraging of Isaac calling Javi "Dad" and was all but gleeful at the prospect of being able to "replace" Jo, but I disagree that it's problematic in general for a child to call their stepfather "Dad" while the real father is present in their life and is called "Dad" too. I think if everyone involved is okay with it, then why not? And Jo has said he doesn't mind; in fact, I think he's said that Isaac's very lucky to have so many people in his life who love him that way. And besides, Javi is Isaac's daddy. He's just as much a father to him as Jo is in every way other than biology. He can call them both "Dad," because they are both his dads. (Which makes me feel all the sadder for him when Kail and Javi eventually crash and burn. It's coming, y'all, it's coming...)

I side-eye Chelsea encouraging Aubree to call Cole "Dad," though. They're not married yet, but more importantly, I don't feel like he's been around long enough or been involved enough to earn that "dad in every way other than biology" cred like Javi grudgingly has. At least not that I've seen.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Chicken Wing

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Almost The Entire Teen Mom 2 Cast Deals with The Law -- Even Nathan, Who Might Live In A Brothel

Everyone's on a slippery slope -- just like Kaiser, who's careening toward the street, unsupervised.

[truelovekiss]

54 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Not the red lipstick though ,but the injections.  Then she put Red on them. Aghhh my eyes! Lol

Yes, the lip fillers really put it over the top!

 

11 minutes ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

I guess letting Jace play Grand Theft Auto is just preparing him for when he actually does commit Grand Theft Auto. Also, I am not surprised by his cursing given what he is exposed to.

Sad, but I can see it.

[neatoburrito]

57 minutes ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Methinks Chelsea doesn't put much thought into those kinds of issues. Bear in mind she and Cole went to Puerto Rico recently, where the Zika virus is taking hold, and her legs looked like they had been bitten up during the scenes shot there....

Oh man, just looking at Chelsea on that trip made me itchy, she was covered in bug bites.

[Lemons]

6 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

My neighbor has a child with CP and that's how she gets him to school. It don't make no sense.

 

I don't understand why the school department doesn't have a special bus for wheelchairs that would pick her up.  Is that because Leah doesn't live in the district or is it because it's West Virginia?

[poeticlicensed]

23 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I don't understand why the school department doesn't have a special bus for wheelchairs that would pick her up.  Is that because Leah doesn't live in the district or is it because it's West Virginia?

Out of district is what I think. She said it's a 45 minute drive, so I'm guessing she lives out of district, so they don't have to provide transport. Which on top of everything else, makes no sense. I think she rents, so it's not like she own the home, but it's super far away from the school, has two stories and doesn't appear to be  wheelchair friendly. I guess her current squeeze wanted to live there. Didn't they break up? I wonder if she is is still in the same place. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by poeticlicensed

[Lemons]

3 hours ago, Radrum said:

 

Omg can Chelsea motherfuckibg stop with the baby voice. I don't know how Cole stands it. 

 

Cole has the same stupid voice that's how he stands it.  Plus add in Cole's Fargo accent and the fact that he is a grown man and it is a whole lot worse.

[FlowerofCarnage]

4 minutes ago, Lemons said:

Cole has the same stupid voice that's how he stands it.  Plus add in Cole's Fargo accent and the fact that he is a grown man and it is a whole lot worse.

Yep. That is sad that the person with the deepest voice in the house is 6 years-old.

[SPLAIN]

1 hour ago, Chicken Wing said:

I agree that, in Kail's case, she was all but encouraging of Isaac calling Javi "Dad" and was all but gleeful at the prospect of being able to "replace" Jo, but I disagree that it's problematic in general for a child to call their stepfather "Dad" while the real father is present in their life and is called "Dad" too. I think if everyone involved is okay with it, then why not? And Jo has said he doesn't mind; in fact, I think he's said that Isaac's very lucky to have so many people in his life who love him that way. And besides, Javi is Isaac's daddy. He's just as much a father to him as Jo is in every way other than biology. He can call them both "Dad," because they are both his dads. (Which makes me feel all the sadder for him when Kail and Javi eventually crash and burn. It's coming, y'all, it's coming...)

I side-eye Chelsea encouraging Aubree to call Cole "Dad," though. They're not married yet, but more importantly, I don't feel like he's been around long enough or been involved enough to earn that "dad in every way other than biology" cred like Javi grudgingly has. At least not that I've seen.

And you just reminded me of another point. 

Kail and Javi seem to be headed for splitsville. All of this ecouraging to call Javi "dad"  should not have occurred because IMO the marriage was merely  a convenience for Kail as well as allowing her to receive those good ol benefits. Chelsea, at least, sees her pending marriage as long-lasting and there is mutual love and respect. Kail from the get-go had lingering questions about her marriage and admitted on camera she had regrets getting married and having Lincoln (per a phone call).

Then, there was Javi telling Kail how Isaac was her child not his. That was so wrong and another reason to not call him dad. No true father does such a fucked up thing.

The whole dad thing was not natural and organic. It was Kail being spiteful and trying to dismiss the bio dad from her child's life. Isaac was being used as a pawn again. I do agree if all parties are ok with the situation, that is fine. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by SPLAIN

[CofCinci]

24 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Out of district is what I think. She said it's a 45 minute drive, so I'm guessing she lives out of district, so they don't have to provide transport. Which on top of everything else, makes no sense. I think she rents, so it's not like she own the home, but it's super far away from the school, has two stories and doesn't appear to be  wheelchair friendly. I guess her current squeeze wanted to live there. Didn't they break up? I wonder if she is is still in the same place. 

Leah made the choice to not reside within her children's school district. I wonder if TR Dues lives within his kids' district. 

[LonelyTown]

10 minutes ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Yep. That is sad that the person with the deepest voice in the house is 6 years-old.

Oh my god, hahahaha! 

I'm probably alone in this but I thought this was the most "together" Leah has seemed in a long time and I didn't have a problem with her telling Ali to try to walk first before using the chair. Lack of exercise is not good for people with MS and it's even shown that exercise might slow the progression of it, so I honestly think she was just saying at least try to move around by yourself and you can use the chair when you need to. I don't see a problem with it. I didn't think she was withholding the chair or anything. 

I also didn't see Leah and Corey's custody hearing as a fight or whatever the previews tried to act like it was...it seemed like Corey didn't mind the outcome either. 

Chelsea didn't bother me this episode (except for Cole's horrible Borat impression lol). Aubree seems to throw a lot of tantrums (judging by the preview). She's a little old for that at 6 years old. 

I skipped through Jenelle's parts

kail's kids are cute and it was sweet of her to find that book and read it to them. I like Kail. She has her negative qualities but she loves her boys and they're clearly really well raised and well behaved.

did anyone catch the after show with the moments where the kids were bad / needed timeouts etc? It made me laugh. 

[Chicken Wing]

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I'm probably alone in this but I thought this was the most "together" Leah has seemed in a long time and I didn't have a problem with her telling Ali to try to walk first before using the chair. Lack of exercise is not good for people with MS and it's even shown that exercise might slow the progression of it, so I honestly think she was just saying at least try to move around by yourself and you can use the chair when you need to. I don't see a problem with it. I didn't think she was withholding the chair or anything. 

Ali has MD, muscular dystophy. MS is multiple sclerosis and your points are correct on that disease. I'm sure Ali does certain types of exercises at physical therapy that are geared toward MD, trying to build strength without "using up" her energy the way walking all the time with no wheelchair would/has.

I'm going to give Leah the benefit of the doubt and assume she does understand what the doctor said, but what she told Ali implied the opposite and doesn't help. She may understand that Ali is going to need to use the wheelchair more often than not, but her words suggested to her that she should always put walking first. She didn't really stress that she should alert mommy or daddy or whoever when she starts to feel tired so she can switch to the chair, or something like that.

[TwirlyGirly]

9 minutes ago, LonelyTown said:

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I'm probably alone in this but I thought this was the most "together" Leah has seemed in a long time and I didn't have a problem with her telling Ali to try to walk first before using the chair. Lack of exercise is not good for people with MS and it's even shown that exercise might slow the progression of it, so I honestly think she was just saying at least try to move around by yourself and you can use the chair when you need to. I don't see a problem with it. I didn't think she was withholding the chair or anything. <snip>

 

Ali doesn't have MS. Ali has a very rare form of Muscular Dystrophy called Titin Muscular Dystrophy. As Dr. Tsao has explained to both Corey and Leah multiple times, walking will actually increase the speed at which her disease progresses and make her muscles weaken more quickly - hence the prescription for a motorized wheelchair and his recommendation Ali use the wheelchair both at home and at school.

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Awkward sentence

[Lemons]

10 minutes ago, LonelyTown said:

 

I'm probably alone in this but I thought this was the most "together" Leah has seemed in a long time and I didn't have a problem with her telling Ali to try to walk first before using the chair. Lack of exercise is not good for people with MS and it's even shown that exercise might slow the progression of it, so I honestly think she was just saying at least try to move around by yourself and you can use the chair when you need to. I don't see a problem with it. I didn't think she was withholding the chair or anything. 

 

That's true for people with MS.  I think Cory and Leah do have some denial about the seriousness of her disease and about the inevitable progression.  She is not going to get better with exercise.  I don't know enough about MD to know if too much walking or exercise makes things worse or just causes unnecessary suffering.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Lemons

[Mkay]

Hahahahaha Reality Tv review. 

http://www.realitytea.com/2016/05/03/teen-mom-2-recap-lawyer/

[Lemons]

5 minutes ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Ali doesn't have MS. Ali has a very rare form of Muscular Dystrophy called Titin Muscular Dystrophy. As Dr. Tsao has explained to both Corey and Leah multiple times, walking will actually increase the speed at which her disease progresses and make her muscles weaken more quickly - hence the prescription for a motorized wheelchair and his recommendation Ali use the wheelchair both at home and at school.

OK, you just answered my question.  I didn't see that part but how horrible if walking increases the disease progress and they left her without a wheelchair for that long.  Wouldn't that be considered neglect?

[Maharincess]

7 hours ago, shelley1005 said:

Yeah, it's tough for kids at that age because they kinda understand someone being deployed, but they don't understand the whole concept of it...and you probably don't want them to.  Isaac understands that Daddy is going away for a long time and that it might be dangerous (alligators), but I am glad he is young enough that he doesn't understand the concept of ISIS and what Javi is really probably doing over there.  It's easier for Lincoln because he doesn't understand any of it....

At least Kail is trying....reading him the book and trying to get him to understand why it is important that Daddy is away...and giving the boys a kiss from her and a kiss from Javi.  

The only problem with this is that Isaac's daddy isn't deployed, his daddy lives around the corner and is not deployed. 

Like I said, I'd love to see Karl's reaction if Isaac called Vee mommy.  She's such an asshole, she has Hulk type rampages about shit but then she'll turn around and do the same thing herself. 

[shelley1234]

20 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

The only problem with this is that Isaac's daddy isn't deployed, his daddy lives around the corner and is not deployed. 

Like I said, I'd love to see Karl's reaction if Isaac called Vee mommy.  She's such an asshole, she has Hulk type rampages about shit but then she'll turn around and do the same thing herself. 

IMO, if Isaac calls him and considers him Daddy...he's Daddy.  It doesn't negate Jo, but it is what it is.  For right now...until they are officially separated/divorced....Isaac is lucky enough to have two daddies.  The daddy he lives with most of the time is deployed.  That loss is significant.  It might even be more than Lincoln because it is his step-dad and so he might already feel like a rented kid.  To negate the impact of that because Javi isn't his biological dad would be a horribly shitty thing to do IMO.  

I know a good number of blended families who find creative and accepted ways to call each parent.  Bio mom is Mommy....step-mom is Mama....Bio Dad is Daddy...Step-Dad is Pops, etc.  As long as the family finds the words that work for them and it doesn't seem like Jo minds since Isaac still calls him Dad as well, I sure as heck don't.  

[ghoulina]

8 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

IMO, if Isaac calls him and considers him Daddy...he's Daddy.  It doesn't negate Jo, but it is what it is.  For right now...until they are officially separated/divorced....Isaac is lucky enough to have two daddies.  The daddy he lives with most of the time is deployed.  That loss is significant.  It might even be more than Lincoln because it is his step-dad and so he might already feel like a rented kid.  To negate the impact of that because Javi isn't his biological dad would be a horribly shitty thing to do IMO.  

I know a good number of blended families who find creative and accepted ways to call each parent.  Bio mom is Mommy....step-mom is Mama....Bio Dad is Daddy...Step-Dad is Pops, etc.  As long as the family finds the words that work for them and it doesn't seem like Jo minds since Isaac still calls him Dad as well, I sure as heck don't.  

I don't see the issue either. It's not just a word, possibly encouraged by Kail. Isaac clearly sees Javi as "daddy". He loves him as much as Lincoln does. Jo seems totally cool about it, and supportive of it. I just saw pictures the other day online of a wedding, where the father walking his daughter down the aisle stopped, grabbed her step-dad, and had him assist. It brought me to tears. In a world where someone like Kaiser has virtually no one, I think it's great the Isaac has two father figures who love him a lot. No one is replacing Jo. I agree that Kail may have wanted that at one time, but Isaac's love for Javi and vice versa is independent of her manipulations. You can tell it's very real. And how can extra love hurt? I just worry what this divorce means going forward. Isaac is going to lose out again. 

[Chicken Wing]

19 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I don't see the issue either. It's not just a word, possibly encouraged by Kail. Isaac clearly sees Javi as "daddy". He loves him as much as Lincoln does. Jo seems totally cool about it, and supportive of it. I just saw pictures the other day online of a wedding, where the father walking his daughter down the aisle stopped, grabbed her step-dad, and had him assist. It brought me to tears. In a world where someone like Kaiser has virtually no one, I think it's great the Isaac has two father figures who love him a lot. No one is replacing Jo. I agree that Kail may have wanted that at one time, but Isaac's love for Javi and vice versa is independent of her manipulations. You can tell it's very real. And how can extra love hurt? I just worry what this divorce means going forward. Isaac is going to lose out again. 

I was thinking of that story, too!

To me, calling Javi "daddy" doesn't make him the "new" dad. He's another dad. Isaac has two dads.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Chicken Wing

[LonelyTown]

1 hour ago, Chicken Wing said:

Ali has MD, muscular dystophy. MS is multiple sclerosis and your points are correct on that disease. I'm sure Ali does certain types of exercises at physical therapy that are geared toward MD, trying to build strength without "using up" her energy the way walking all the time with no wheelchair would/has.

I'm going to give Leah the benefit of the doubt and assume she does understand what the doctor said, but what she told Ali implied the opposite and doesn't help. She may understand that Ali is going to need to use the wheelchair more often than not, but her words suggested to her that she should always put walking first. She didn't really stress that she should alert mommy or daddy or whoever when she starts to feel tired so she can switch to the chair, or something like that.

Oh my godddd. WELP, disregard what I said lol. In that case, I take it back. 

Ugh, I keep wanting to give these moms the benefit of the doubt and it's like nope, nah, you're a POS mom. 

[Lemons]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Wing said:

I was thinking of that story, too!

To me, calling Javi "daddy" doesn't make him the "new" dad. He's another dad. Isaac has two dads.

The problem is that poor Isaac might have 4 or 5 "dads" by the time his mother is 30.  I know someone just like Kail.  Had 3 kids by the time she was 23 with 2 different men.  She was on her 4th marriage by the time she was 30.  She wanted to change her kids last name to her 4th husband and the children's father had to go to court to stop her from forcing the kids to use the man's last name in school.  Of course that 4th marriage didn't last.  Imagine if the kids had been stuck with a random last name that meant nothing to them?  She wanted to forget the other fathers existed while still cashing their child support checks.

[Chicken Wing]

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I know someone just like Kail.  Had 3 kids by the time she was 23 with 2 different men. 

You know Leah? :)

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Imagine if the kids had been stuck with a random last name that meant nothing to them?

Which is precisely why Chelsea needs to leave Aubree's name alone.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Chicken Wing

[Cosmocrush]

17 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

I so wanted Jace to say "My mom's name is Barb...."

Well he did say his mom was 100 years old so maybe he was thinking of Babs, LOL.  

I was glad to see that Ali and Grace's bedroom is on the first floor.  It looks like they have have the master since there is a full bath off of it. 

 

7 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

 

...Kinda wishing here MTV had sent Dr. Tsao the footage of what Corey and Leah have both said about Ali's use of the wheelchair before the episodes aired. Dr. Tsao needs to know, for Ali's sake, and regardless of what they may say when he sees them at Ali's appointments, what they are saying and actually putting into practice at home.

I would think a couple of sessions with a therapist experienced in dealing with the parents of children with disabilities, and how denial often affects whether their child's doctor's recommendations are followed, could do both Corey and Leah a world of good - which of course would help Ali, too. Corey and Leah's feelings about Ali's disability certainly aren't unique, and I'm sure there are therapists who could help them understand why their words and actions are harming Ali both now and in the future. 

OR, Leah and Corey could just watch the footage of what the doctor told them during the last visit.  MTV even  re-showed the clip of  it last night.  And maybe they did.  I hope so. 

I think Leah and Corey seeing a family therapist dealing with parents/families with sick or disabled children is a great idea.  I can't really see Corey going but I could be wrong.  They both seem to have matured quite a bit since Ali's diagnosis. 

[ReadMeLattice]

2 hours ago, Lemons said:

OK, you just answered my question.  I didn't see that part but how horrible if walking increases the disease progress and they left her without a wheelchair for that long.  Wouldn't that be considered neglect?

It should be.

[poopchute]

Kail is wearing sweatpants again in her own home with her friend who looks like a potato.  I'm still so confused about Kail's issue with Jo's sweatpants because since that episode she has been shown in almost every scene also wearing sweatpants.

[ghoulina]

I think we discussed the sweatpant issue in Kail's thread and the consensus was more or less that loungewear/exercise clothes are perfectly acceptable, provided they're from an expensive, trendy brand. Jo and his $12 Wal-mart sweat pants can get to stepping. 

[HooHooHoo]

3 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

Yep. That is sad that the person with the deepest voice in the house is 6 years-old.

Yet, I felt the need to rewatch her 16 & Pregnant episode.  Her voice was normal!  WTH happened?

[poopchute]

Oh, I wish she would have elaborated in her initial

complaint because it's so confusing.

[Cosmocrush]

I don't think Jenelle would/will mind a bit if Nathan got at least 50/50 custody.  It seems to me Jenelle's main interest in Kaiser has always only been as a connection to Nathan; first as some sort of bondo glue to him  then as a weapon against him and I can't see that's changed much this week.    But if she admits it then she is a terrible person (to David who hasn't noticed that Jenelle isn't really that interested in getting Jace full time) and to everyone watching her - not that I think most viewers would be surprised.  I'm not sure Nathan is really interested either though - except for the MTV angle.  Doesn't he have a daughter somewhere?  

[ReadMeLattice]

@Cosmocrush, "somewhere" is right. He's not allowed overnights with her, his ex's parents have custody because both he and his ex were substance abusers, and he sees her maybe once a month. I guess he could be trying for custody of her and we just don't know, but it seems more like his "trying" for her is like Jenelle's "trying" for Jace.

It's devastating that Kaiser has precisely zero parents who just want him for him. Not for photo opps, looking good for the courts or TV, looking good for a bf/gf, or sticking it to an ex. I hate thinking of how whichever one of these idiots who gets primary custody of him will parade him around on social media, posting triumphant statuses. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Lm2162

[shelley1234]

50 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

I don't think Jenelle would/will mind a bit if Nathan got at least 50/50 custody.  It seems to me Jenelle's main interest in Kaiser has always only been as a connection to Nathan; first as some sort of bondo glue to him  then as a weapon against him and I can't see that's changed much this week.    But if she admits it then she is a terrible person (to David who hasn't noticed that Jenelle isn't really that interested in getting Jace full time) and to everyone watching her - not that I think most viewers would be surprised.  I'm not sure Nathan is really interested either though - except for the MTV angle.  Doesn't he have a daughter somewhere?  

I think she would mind...not because she wants Kaiser full time or because she thinks she is the best parent, but because she wants TO WIN.  

[TwirlyGirly]

1 hour ago, Cosmocrush said:

<snip> Leah and Corey could just watch the footage of what the doctor told them during the last visit.  MTV even  re-showed the clip of  it last night.  And maybe they did.  I hope so. 

I think Leah and Corey seeing a family therapist dealing with parents/families with sick or disabled children is a great idea.  I can't really see Corey going but I could be wrong.  They both seem to have matured quite a bit since Ali's diagnosis. 

There is a subset of the population that believes any kind of therapy = crazy. I've met people like this. They truly think any suggestion to seek professional help for any issues that are not medical/physical is akin to claiming they are mentally ill. This is especially true in places where a large percentage of the population is not well educated. If Corey/Leah were raised with that mindset, seeking therapy/counseling is never gonna happen.

[shelley1234]

3 minutes ago, TwirlyGirly said:

There is a subset of the population that believes any kind of therapy = crazy. I've met people like this. They truly think any suggestion to seek professional help for any issues that are not medical/physical is akin to claiming they are mentally ill. This is especially true in places where a large percentage of the population is not well educated. If Corey/Leah were raised with that mindset, seeking therapy/counseling is never gonna happen.

I could see Corey balking at going to therapy himself...because he probably does think it is something people should talk to family about and not those fancy counselors.  Also, he's pretty simple and not much of a talker.  However, I don't think he'd be as resistant to the girls going to counseling to deal with what is going on with Ali and also with everything happening with Leah.  I think he'd see it as "not for him" but be okay with it for the girls.  

Once again, just blatant speculation.  Just the hunch I get from watching Corey.  

[ReadMeLattice]

Jeremy balked at marriage counseling because he "didn't want to talk to somebody with a PhD." Oh yes, why would you ever want to talk to someone with a great deal of training and education? I would assume that Corey shares that view or something akin to it. 

[TwirlyGirly]

1 minute ago, shelley1005 said:

I could see Corey balking at going to therapy himself...because he probably does think it is something people should talk to family about and not those fancy counselors.  Also, he's pretty simple and not much of a talker.  However, I don't think he'd be as resistant to the girls going to counseling to deal with what is going on with Ali and also with everything happening with Leah.  I think he'd see it as "not for him" but be okay with it for the girls.  

Once again, just blatant speculation.  Just the hunch I get from watching Corey.  

While I think Ali's sisters going to counseling to better understand Ali's condition, and to talk out any issues they may have as a result is a good idea, my original suggestion was for Corey and Leah to go to counseling to talk out their denial of Ali's limitations and how the manner in which they are handling those limitations may be harming Ali.

I know that Leah went into treatment for "anxiety" and "depression," but I question her motives for doing so. Did she go because she wanted to go, and did she fully immerse herself in the program and get everything she could out of it, or did she go because she HAD to or risk losing custody of her kids? If it's the latter, then she probably wouldn't be amenable to the idea of voluntarily going to a counselor/therapist to deal with her feelings regarding Ali's disability. I could be wrong, of course. I'm fairly certain Corey would never agree to it himself.

[ReadMeLattice]

I know she at least asked for therapy with Jeremy and maybe even Corey at some point. So in theory, she's cool with it...I would assume she'd get upset if the therapist didn't 100% agree with her, though. 

[NikSac]

8 hours ago, leighroda said:

This may be really off topic because it's in relation to the special that was shown after, but did anyone else laugh at the Miley Cyrus defense??  Jenelle going to a concert does NOT give you a pass to do whatever you want!! And the fact she KNEW she was speeding and she didn't care at all annoys the crap out of me.

Makes sense to me to talk about the aftershows here. I was laughing at the Miley Cyrus defense especially because I kept having flashbacks to her discussion with her lawyer in a previous season "but it's KE$HA dude, it's not just a concert, it's KE$HA!!!!!"  (or something like that).  I also loved how after she got the ticket she was all pissed off and asked Nathan what to do and he told her to quit speeding. Well, there's an idea.