S08.E04: BBQ, Brunch Or Bust

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny mentioned the VanKempens house, to me the big difference is Jules Hamptons house is a second home. 

This is a very good point. It seemed like they were trying to tailor their "vacation spot" to their exact specifications. Maybe they never intend to sell. Perhaps they will pass it down to the kids. We also know nothing about their finances. Is it possible they're also taking awhile because they're working on it as they can afford it, and not accruing a heap of debt? I generally like Bethenny, but she does come off as a know-it-all. And she and Jules are not tight, so she really has no place offering a dumptruck's worth of unsolicited advice like that. 

[mwell345]

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Doesn't Bravo get a set percentage of any business a Housewife spins off of the show?  I always figured that was why he had the women on to perform their songs on WWHL.

IIRC, that's correct - Bravo does get a percentage. But I think that was put into effect after Bethenny's success with Skinny Girl.  I think I read that once, but anyone feel free to correct me.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

The enemy  of my enemy is my friend. Old saying.  Just sayin' I predict Bethenny is going after Luann with a vengance and Carole hopped on the bandwagon. Nothing like mutual hate to start spark BFFs! 

[lunastartron]

Who says one can't be sexually indiscriminate, bang married men, and simultaneously issues pronouncements on manners and etiquette? In any case, Carole is presently indulging in just as many inconsistencies and contradictions as Lu from my perspective. If she articulated her continuing anger as a product of the Countess's initial aggressive salvos, that would be honest and understandable. Instead, she's insisting that this fantasy in which she never responded to LuAnn with matching vitriol is true. If retweeting hateful commentary on one's cast mate is just an expression of appreciation to one's fans, then doesn't that mean Aviva putting gossip about What Remains on shout merely constituted an acclamation/celebration of "the streets"? Carole giggled about LuAnn's willingness to "go with anyone," which directly frames her sexual voracity as the problem - not her nominal hypocrisy although that was the original charge. She's lamented the "misogyny" of Jules and LuAnn because of their commentary on her age but was happy to charge in with a critique of Jule's physique and also to attack John's physical characteristics rather than his behavior. Then there's her shot at Lu's use of her title - one to which she's, uh, entitled until remarriage - while Carole uses hers as both a tagline and dinner party fodder more than two decades and many romances after Anthony . . . Is Carole also going to take a dig at Lee, who is still called "Princess" by her apartment staff almost half a century after she split from Anthony's dad? All of which is to say that Carole has adopted a perplexing tack of confusing what should be a pretty straightforward grievance. And has anyone located this "pedophile" statement?

[Almost 3000]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

Satchels of gold, I tried to PM you but it wasn't working. I just wanted to say I love your screen name and laugh every time I see it.

Yes, chiming in too re @Satchels of gold w/ the darling golden! To cute. I miss mine :(

[Umbelina]

On 5/1/2016 at 9:12 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

Doesn't matter who started it.  He's continuing it.  But I really wanna know why Sonja is so MIA.  I suspect that has everything to do with Bethenny.

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Listening to Bethenny say everyone is invited to come to her place in the Hamptons every day and open to everyone was getting me so excited, then I realized I wasn't going. I'm really missing having fun and laughs with Bethenny. I'm always interested in her shindigs, as I am someone who enjoys event planning and because she's a mentor to me. My daughter is off to boarding school and this was the first weekend open for parents, so I needed to be there. Lu invited me to stay with her, but I couldn't. I had regretted not seeing Bethenny over the summer when she invited me to stay with her and her daughter, but my daughter wanted every last minute with me at our home where she grew up before moving out.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/sonja-morgan/sonja-morgan-you-could-cut-the

The above is from Sonja's blog, so no, nothing to do with Bethenny.

[ElDosEquis]

The housewifes march under many banners,

Often lacking basic manners

Some talk evil, some talk lewd

some are caustic, some are rude

some are critical, some lack class

They all need a kick in the (rear)

They talk of sex and cradle robbery

and of houses - construction slobbery?

Their party's are tense, more often than not

They conduct themselves like evil (people)

Insults fly, apologies follow

insincere, they ring hollow!

Assault on line! Write on twitter!

Retweet on line, that will hit her

In the head, or they will hunt

for a low blow, in the (bread basket)

The home isn't finished, a money pit

of your critique, they don't give a (feces)

Sweep off you own stoop, the saying goes

Take care of your stuff, don't go step on toes

all in all, you have your own lives,

Being on the Tube, playing housewives....

[ScoobieDoobs]

On 5/1/2016 at 6:18 PM, NeelyOh said:

 

I agree with an earlier post about John wanting the publicity but these shows have been on long enough for people to know that they're taking their chances with their own reputations by signing up so I don't really feel sorry for him. And what business person concerned about their reputations would provide so many opportunities for the cameras to film them while they're wasted? 

Honestly, I'm scratching my head trying to figure what exactly John is getting outta this show.  What was his motivation for being on the show?  Because of Dorinda -- to give her more camera time?  Uh, no.  I think John is a ham sandwich & he loves the cam.  As far as publicity . . . uh, what publicity?  I've never heard him say the name of his business once this season.  Well, I've never heard him say it ever on the show.

 Anyway, John should be able to get the name of his business out -- given the torture he has to endure from horrible Bethenny.  Man, he's earned it.  Besides, whatever evil Bethenny has in store to "reveal" about John, WTF would it have anything to with his ability as a dry cleaner?  I mean, seriously, why in the fuckety fuck would I care if he bangs every broad that ever walks into Beautique, if he gets my stained-up pants clean every time I send 'em to him?  

Idk, my theory on John is -- Bethenny & Satan Andy & the other anonymous producers are baiting him (and setting him up) but good.  They must have figured he was ripe for Bethenny to rip apart & pick on -- and all for our entertainment.  How lovely of Bethenny & Satan Andy & those anonymous other producers to think of us viewers as motivation for Bethenny to torture someone mercilessly -- simply because they assume we would enjoy watching it.

Now, was John a fool & a sap for agreeing to be on the show?  You betcha.  I don't feel sorry for him one bit.  I just think watching him being crucified by Bethenny is ugly & unpleasant as hell to watch.  But that's Bethenny's shtick this season.  Ew.  I really wanna see how Lu deals with Bethenny's horrible, hateful & despicable torture tactics.  Lu's a tough customer.  I don't see her parking herself up Bethenny's asshole as Carole & Moaner are.

Btw, I am not impressed by Bethenny's place  -- because it's really not so impressive.  I noticed the camera shots were mostly tight (very, very tight).  I think that was purposely done to hide the fact that it's smallish.  Jules gave away what Bethenny is trying oh-so-hard to hide from us.  She revealed to us in her TH that it's only a few thou (plus a bit more) square feet.  Thanks, Jules, that was the best thing you said so far this season.  But you may regret it, hun.  Because now vicious Bethenny will continue to torture you & talk shit about you & your husband in her TH's.  Ah, Bethenny, you ain't exactly difficult to figure out now.  No, you have become painfully (extremely, extremely painfully) predictable.

Edited May 3, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[The Mighty Peanut]

So much of this franchise and RHONY in particular is about the cougar stereotype, which I agree is misogynistic and ageist. But to go on a show like this and date someone so much younger expecting everyone will just go along with it is unrealistic. Adam is the same age or younger than the cast of Vanderpump Rules. He is younger than Kristen Doute and Tom Sandoval, to put things in perspective. It's not that far off age-wise from the idea of LVP dating one of her charges (LVP is 55 and Carole is 51 or 52 IIRC). Of course it's going to draw attention. Yeah it sucks that insensitive people (me) called him an embryo, but it goes with the territory and her offense that she doesn't admit to taking and her grudge she doesn't admit to holding are not really deserved IMO. 

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[Beden]

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 How lovely of Bethenny & Satan Andy & those anonymous other producers to think of us viewers as motivation for Bethenny to torture someone mercilessly -- simply because they assume we would enjoy watching it.

 I just think watching him being crucified by Bethenny is ugly & unpleasant as hell to watch.  But that's Bethenny's shtick this season.  

It occurs to me that they may assume that's what we want to see because it's what they enjoy...picking a victim and destroying them, It seems to carry across every version of their shows. Nasty people them.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

When Bethenny tell us to hang in there, and wait and see; I interpret this that she feels she'll be vindicated.

Remember on Scary Island when Kelly was over the edge and Bethenny celebrated? "See! See? I've been telling you!" (paraphrasing)... To me that reflected poorly more on Bethenny than Kelly. I am expecting a Scary Island II moment where John loses his shit after the constant baiting mentioned up thread, and once again Bethenny will get her Scary Island I "See! See? I told you!" moment. Same same. Yawn. She will never, ever change without some serious help instead of hiding behind her belligerent hee hawing about how she speaks the truth. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

You know, I'm glad you brought up Kells.  If she was a nicer person there might have been some sympathy for her.  But she was consistently a self-absorbed, totally deluded, nasty, mean, snobbish woman --- to Bethenny, Alex & pretty much everyone near her.  So nobody cared how Bethenny cruelly ripped her to shreds & destroyed her. Most of us were entertained seeing Bethenny destroy her.

And now Bethenny is pulling the same routine on John -- to entertain us.  She figures (and maybe rightly) there will be no sympathy for him from anyone -- because he's the slimy fat guy from Queens, so he'll be universally hated.  And yeah, for some, it is his character that's a turnoff.  But I still think most are just turned off that he ain't young & model gorgeous, and would never admit it -- er, kinda like Bethenny.  

Well, this is Bethenny's universe.  She owns the show now because Satan Andy has handed it to her on a silver platter.  No, John the sap doesn't stand a chance.  He's gonna be skewered & roasted & toasted before our eyes by Bethenny.

Idk, watching Bethenny (to me) is kinda like witnessing a serial killer getting ready to slaughter her next victim.  Yup, she is Dexter.  As far as those who so defensively say they still like Bethenny?  That is their absolute right.  Some like serial killers too, right?

Edited May 3, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[jaync]

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Perhaps they should cut the insane number of Bethenny talking heads in favor of some of the others. 

I'm not even kidding...when LuAnn appeared in a TH, I literally flinched in surprise at seeing someone other than Beth giving one.

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"Bethenny and The Others"

"Bethenny and the Non-Bethennys"

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Honestly, wtf is wrong with Bethenny this year?

This year? She was an insufferable assbag last season, too.

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[Morgalisa]

I listened to Bethenny's first show on Radio Andy yesterday.  I didn't realize that Andy had given her a radio show.  I caught it by accident in the car. She said something oh so witty and charming and laughed at it so hard.  Her guest laughed politely, then Bethenny continued to laugh and her guest waited and waited to speak and finally I yelled STFU Bethenny to my radio.  

Edited May 3, 2016 by Morgalisa

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I so want a housewife to give Bethenny the tm Kelly Bensimon "I want you to ZIP it" complete w/the hand puppet mouth move. STFU is right! 

[ghoulina]

I just want to see someone try to run off through another set of mechanical doors that won't open. And then Ramona will bungle a another common phrase. Ahhh, how delightful Scary Island was. (Until it wasn't.)

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 0:35 AM, bravofan27 said:

Did anyone catch the recent article in "In Touch" about Jules? It's like 4 pages that talked about how Jules husband made his money through investing in the porn industry, pornhub or something. I'm sure he invests in tons of stuff that he doesn't care personally about, but apparently this is like a major deal to some people. He made a fortune off online porn. 

I think one's view of porn hinges on whether they believe it's victimless. 

On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 10:32 PM, HunterHunted said:

 And Sonja. Yeesh. Last year was Sonja's best year in quite awhile, but Bethenny basically branded Sonja a sad delusional alcoholic and it seems production is still following that direction. Was it necessary to show her "some people keep their shoes in the oven" quote? No. It was all part of depicting Sonja's slide into lunacy.

I thought it was a Sex and the City reference, but was confused that Luann didn't get it.  Didn't Carrie keep clothing in her stove?

I'm not defending Bethenny, but didn't everyone brand Sonja an alcoholic last season?  Neither Luann, serving snatch guard, nor Dorinda, stuck herding the delusional "I party with John John", attempted to hide how out of it Sonja was.  I wouldn't mock Sonja for having a drinking problem, but she sure seemed to have an issue last season, IMO.

On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 0:00 AM, ScoobieDoobs said:

I missed Sonja in this ep.  Why was Sonja MIA?  Was it Bethenny's mean-girl shit of excluding select people she doesn't wanna interact with?  I'm confused.  Did their feud start at the beginning of the season or before?  I didn't think Sonja had done anything with her Tipsy Girl line at the beginning of the season.

Well, if those 2 are feuding, it's a sure bet Sonja is gonna get a miserable edit this season -- since evil Bethenny (cue sinister/skeery music) is in control.  And Satan Andy is clearly siding with Bethenny, if he's continuing to do that unfunny/lame/nasty Grey Gardens shit (on WWHL), the sole purpose of which is to imply Sonja is a deluded nutcase.  

I'm not buying the Grey Gardens stuff anymore. so stop selling that shit to us, Satan Andy.  She got herself out of bankruptcy.  If you look closely at the Sonja scenes, her place looks perfectly OK.  And I can confirm (because I passed by it last nite) her place looks nice from the outside.  The Grey Gardens stuff just ain't true.  It's an effort by Bethenny & Satan Andy to discredit Sonja & make her look as shitty & awful as possible.  Hmmm, have we seen this MO before from Bethenny?  Hello, John & Jules, and next week, Lu -- & then next up, Sonja.  God, this is so ugly.  The show might as well now be called, "Who Will Bethenny Torture Next?"  Yeah, count me in with those say they just love, love, love Bethenny & her nastiness -- um, when hell freezes over.

What really bothers me is how Moaner has so coldly & casually dumped Sonja.  We know why.  Because Sonja's feuding with the HBIC.  Wow, nice show of loyalty, Moaner, you freakin' pig.  Oink, oink, Moaner, oink, oink.

I may be mistaking you for someone else, but I thought you used to make frequent references to walking past Sonja's home, and commenting in ways that indicated the Grey Gardens stuff was apt.  Things like we're having a heat wave, yet all of Sonja's windows are open as if she can't afford air conditioning.  I don't enjoy Andy or the show mocking Sonja, but I do get why viewers of the show do it.  Sonja is seriously deluded.

On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 10:16 AM, Gaily said:

If I were a betting woman, here is what I would predict.  I think Bethenny has some dirt on John for either cheating on Dorinda or merely just flirting innocently with other women.  My bet is on the later (I think John truly loves Dorinda) and that it will be blown up into something worse than it actually is. This will give Bethenny the chance to act as the "avenging angel" on Dorinda's behalf -- we can always count on Beth to stick up for other women who have been wronged.  My other prediction is that it will come out that Jules' husband made his money in the porn business (personally I don't care) and that he and Jules are "social climbers" who like to show off their money -- and that will give Bethenny a chance to call them out and once again be the avenging angel for the audience, snuffing out the phonies.  The minor squabbles on the side will continue -- Lu and Carole will continue to snipe at each other and Sonja will get trashed by Bethenny for TipsyGirl and Ramona and Sonja will eventually reconcile but not after a few spats.  Dorinda will probably break up with John around the time of one of the reunions, cementing her heroine status with the audience.

I don't mean to sound cynical because I love this show (lowering my head in shame) but do believe that things will resolve in Bethenny's favor.

Wasn't that already flirted with last season?  When the ladies encountered John, and Sonja asked what he was doing there without Dor-Rind-Da.  I was left with the impression that he was up to no good, and Dorinda didn't appreciate it.  I don't recall more details at the moment.

[shoegal]

9 hours ago, Beden said:

It occurs to me that they may assume that's what we want to see because it's what they enjoy...picking a victim and destroying them, It seems to carry across every version of their shows. Nasty people them.

I don't believe they are after anything other than ratings.  Does that make them nasty people?  Or us?

[One Tough Cookie]

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What I'd really like to see is for Bethenny to turn on Carole.  Find her ghostwriter & out him/her!  Eh, Carole is way, way, way too happy being Bethenny's bitch/follower.  Almost makes me want Veevs back to torture her again.  Almost, but not quite

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Oh, don't worry about it.  She will, true to form, turn on Carole for some perceived slight and spoil that friendship, just as she has ruined every other relationship she has ever had.  It's simply a matter of time.

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 4:41 PM, Duke2801 said:

In other news, I also like Jules' husband.  He seems low-key and affable. Reminds me of Heather's husband in that respect.     

I suppose we can look forward to Ramona questioning his masculinity.  I'm sure Heather still mourns that her hubbie is nothing like Mario.

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 4:20 PM, izabella said:

I always thought Lu was a phony and have cultivated an active loathing of her.  However, I can't totally hate on her, not since the day when Sonja lost her mind and was speaking in tongues and went after Lu for buying big bags of "potato ships" at the grocery store.  See, I can get down with that Lu - love me some big bags of patato ships!! 

ECONOMY SIZE, said with such disdain.  So she was a glutton, and cheap!

[WireWrap]

9 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

When Bethenny tell us to hang in there, and wait and see; I interpret this that she feels she'll be vindicated.

Remember on Scary Island when Kelly was over the edge and Bethenny celebrated? "See! See? I've been telling you!" (paraphrasing)... To me that reflected poorly more on Bethenny than Kelly. I am expecting a Scary Island II moment where John loses his shit after the constant baiting mentioned up thread, and once again Bethenny will get her Scary Island I "See! See? I told you!" moment. Same same. Yawn. She will never, ever change without some serious help instead of hiding behind her belligerent hee hawing about how she speaks the truth. 

I question how she would know what the final edit is on anything this early. LOL

[Mondrianyone]

On 4/29/2016 at 2:12 PM, Midnight Cheese said:

I'm not saying Carole's a Becky, I think her hair is good and all, but you don't IG cutely after something to grind your heel into someone's pain, publicly.  That's disgusting.  I haven't read "What Remains" but the consensus has been that it's exquisitely written and shows someone with real depth.  WTF is wrong with her? 

Maybe she doesn't have the services of the same ghostwriter in her real life that she had in the book.  ;o)

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 2:12 PM, Midnight Cheese said:

LuAnn was a terrible fool about the Adam situation but in her defense, if it was a situation and her niece, Nicole, felt hurt, I'm sure it was amplified by all of Cool Carole's 'I don't care' talking heads.  When you 'win' someone, you don't TH all cutely about it, that's just bitch-assed. I'm not saying Carole's a Becky, I think her hair is good and all, but you don't IG cutely after something to grind your heel into someone's pain, publicly.  That's disgusting.  I haven't read "What Remains" but the consensus has been that it's exquisitely written and shows someone with real depth.  WTF is wrong with her? 

I am so confused.  I thought Becky was slang for white girl.

[ScoobieDoobs]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I may be mistaking you for someone else, but I thought you used to make frequent references to walking past Sonja's home, and commenting in ways that indicated the Grey Gardens stuff was apt.  Things like we're having a heat wave, yet all of Sonja's windows are open as if she can't afford air conditioning.  I don't enjoy Andy or the show mocking Sonja, but I do get why viewers of the show do it.  Sonja is seriously deluded.

That was me.  But life moves on & things change.  From the outside, nothing looks unusual or anything in the least bit wrong with Sonja's townhouse.  As I passed by last nite, the first floor was lit up & it looked neat & tidy & well-kept.  Nope.  No sign whatsoever indicating anything remotely Grey Gardens going on within.

Hmmm, sniff, sniff, me smells a Satan Andy & Bethenny concocted conspiracy against Sonja, with continuing the Grey Gardens crapola.  And how is Lu involved?  She always seems to be in the lame/unfunny Grey Garden shit he does on WWHL.  I mean seriously, who is less Grey Gardens than Lu?  Is he targeting Lu too with the Grey Garden shit?  Guess we'll see next ep if Lu is the next victim on evil Bethenny's assassin hit list

[Beden]

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It occurs to me that they may assume that's what we want to see because it's what they enjoy...picking a victim and destroying them, It seems to carry across every version of their shows. Nasty people them.

I don't believe they are after anything other than ratings.  Does that make them nasty people?  Or us?

Yes, I agree with you; good question. I guess I see it as a train wreck--I don't like it but you can't not look...except I've stopped looking. I neither enjoy nasty cat fights or unending scripted, planned arguments between unpleasant people. Ratings drive $ and that's the bottom line in several ways.

[ghoulina]

17 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

'm not defending Bethenny, but didn't everyone brand Sonja an alcoholic last season?  Neither Luann, serving snatch guard, nor Dorinda, stuck herding the delusional "I party with John John", attempted to hide how out of it Sonja was.  I wouldn't mock Sonja for having a drinking problem, but she sure seemed to have an issue last season, IMO

No, Bethenny was definitely not the first to point out Sonja's issues. She has been a sloppy drunk for several seasons now, but last year was definitely her worst. I think Bethenny is just less likely to dance around issues than the others. She thinks she's a paragon of "honesty", but if often comes across as very rude and unnecessary. That being said, I probably would have snapped at Sonja as well. She was off her rocker. I do believe B was genuinely trying to help her, but Sonja is like a brick wall. You just cannot get through to her.

[sasha206]

So the resident bohemian teenager of the group has a problem wtih LuAnn bringing a hoola hoop because she is a "grown woman"?

[sasha206]

I fucking hate Bethenny now.  She couldn't be more obnoxious.  I used to love her and now she can't leave my screen soon enough.

[ScoobieDoobs]

21 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I so want a housewife to give Bethenny the tm Kelly Bensimon "I want you to ZIP it" complete w/the hand puppet mouth move. STFU is right! 

This won't happen because this is Bethenny's universe & she would NEVER allow it.  Still, I am surprised she allowed the scene of John saying she's jealous because she can't maintain a relationship herself.  It was the only time we have seen anything remotely resembling a criticism of her highness Queen Bethenny.  And we of course know why.  Everyone (including Satan Andy) is terrified of her.

Criticize Bethenny at your own peril.  She will slaughter you in her TH's or order the edit monkeys to make you look as shitty as possible.  Nice, sweet gal, that Bethenny, right?

Look, most of us know Bethenny is a bitter hateful asshole.  But in spite of her horrible personality, many of us have liked her in the past (or at the very least, enjoyed watching her to some degree)  Yeah, even me.  I wish she could get back the characteristics that I did like about her (calling out people on their bullshit & making funny/sharp observations).  I'm not sure that's possible now.

Everyone involved with show is probably too skeered shitless of her to tell her to ease up on the non-stop hate-rants & to chill the fuck out & inject more humor.  As it is now, Bethenny & the show makes me tense & anxious to watch.  Hate it.

Edited May 4, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[ZaldamoWilder]

Well, there's always the chance that Jules tells her to get off her jock ™1998.

I can dream.

[shoegal]

6 hours ago, Beden said:

Yes, I agree with you; good question. I guess I see it as a train wreck--I don't like it but you can't not look...except I've stopped looking. I neither enjoy nasty cat fights or unending scripted, planned arguments between unpleasant people. Ratings drive $ and that's the bottom line in several ways.

I loathe Teresa Giudice with a passion. Like seriously, hate her, hate her husband, hate her kids, like for real. The beauty is...I stopped watching RHONJ, I don't watch her specials, I don't watch her on WWHL, I don't read articles about her. Same with NeNe Leakes. Can't stand her, don't watch her, never will.

That's what I don't understand. The train wreck comes with a remote...why not just change the channel? (just a thought, not directed to you specifically)

[Satchels of gold]

17 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I am so confused.  I thought Becky was slang for white girl.

Your not cofused , it is. 

[jinjer]

5 hours ago, shoegal said:

I loathe Teresa Giudice with a passion. Like seriously, hate her, hate her husband, hate her kids, like for real. The beauty is...I stopped watching RHONJ, I don't watch her specials, I don't watch her on WWHL, I don't read articles about her. Same with NeNe Leakes. Can't stand her, don't watch her, never will.

That's what I don't understand. The train wreck comes with a remote...why not just change the channel? (just a thought, not directed to you specifically)

Because there are other women on this show who actually are enjoyable to watch.  NJ doesn't have that luxury. Or Lushury as Sonja often ends up saying.

I have to say I am at the point where I really can't stand Bethenny. I loved her early days, even tolerated her much of her spin off. Began to see that she was majorly fucked up. But last season? No thank you. This season is way worse. BUT there was a point toward the end of the season, maybe after Heather called her out in St. Barths or wherever they were, where Bethenny backed off a little and got a little lighter, we didn't get soooo many B talking heads or Dr. Imabore and the show became a little more balanced. Heather even told her "You don't have to be a Bitch, you choose to be one" and laughed in her face in a Good way on the finale. But with Heather's departure, that all left too. 

There's nothing cool or hip about being mean to people. Maybe it gets you a bitchy friend like Andy who has always liked to pit his best friends against each other. But that's not a real friend or a good person. That's an asshole. A serial dater who will be buying dates when he loses his job and his wonky-eyed looks.  

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[Umbelina]

I don't have to like a housewife to appreciate her on a RH show though.  Bethenny keeps things from ever getting drab or stale, because I honestly have no idea what she might say or do next, but she's not a drunk or sloppy when she does.

[Mondrianyone]

I'm teetering on the brink of giving up on this branch of the franchise, which is really sad to me, because for years it's been a connection to my hometown for me.  But it's become like a mirror of all the things (and people) I hate for destroying NYC, and some days that's too hard to watch.

Why was Tig Notaro waiting tables at that brunch place?

[jinjer]

11 hours ago, Umbelina said:

I don't have to like a housewife to appreciate her on a RH show though.  Bethenny keeps things from ever getting drab or stale, because I honestly have no idea what she might say or do next, but she's not a drunk or sloppy when she does.

This too - sometimes people you don't like on the show really make it fun to watch.  I can't stand Vicki on OC either but she is always entertaining.

[Yours Truly]

On 5/4/2016 at 7:21 PM, jinjer said:

Because there are other women on this show who actually are enjoyable to watch.  NJ doesn't have that luxury. Or Lushury as Sonja often ends up saying.

I have to say I am at the point where I really can't stand Bethenny. I loved her early days, even tolerated her much of her spin off. Began to see that she was majorly fucked up. But last season? No thank you. This season is way worse. BUT there was a point toward the end of the season, maybe after Heather called her out in St. Barths or wherever they were, where Bethenny backed off a little and got a little lighter, we didn't get soooo many B talking heads or Dr. Imabore and the show became a little more balanced. Heather even told her "You don't have to be a Bitch, you choose to be one" and laughed in her face in a Good way on the finale. But with Heather's departure, that all left too. 

There's nothing cool or hip about being mean to people. Maybe it gets you a bitchy friend like Andy who has always liked to pit his best friends against each other. But that's not a real friend or a good person. That's an asshole. A serial dater who will be buying dates when he loses his job and his wonky-eyed looks.  

This!!! This whole new philosophy where meanness has been camoflauged with "just being real" has driven me up the wall for YEARS! If there is no benefit, place or contributes to the good or solution of a situation AND it carries a hurtful tone then WHY?!!? For the love of all that is good and holy WHY speak it? There are certain tendencies that are reflexes. Even being hurtful, it's true. Taking pleasure in someone else's ill will alcreeps up even on the most pure of souls. It's being able to manage those random tendencies and being mindful of how often one decides to let it surface that makes all the difference in someone being the average person who gives in to those weaker moments and being a straight up despicable asshole. Bethenny and Carole fall into the category of being mean assholes. Bethenny because she self indulges even if it's at the expense of others. I.E. "I need to speak my truth even if it hurts you, well because it's all about what I NEED even if the truth doesn't truly benefit either of us or the situation. I serves my purposes and that's that". And Carole because she self indulges by giving herself excuses to her own nasty asshole behavior. I.E. "You did something that upset me so now I have the excuse to be the nasty spiteful bitchy asshole that is constantly bubbling under the surface, the one that I only unleash when I can find a reason to justify it and therefore not tarnish this cool, nice lighthearted person I'm trying to present myself to be" But then runs with it the length of a marathon. Completely beyond the scope of reason. Both raging assholes.