TWD Season 7 Anticipation - Evil Cliffhanger from Hell

[Boilergal]

I can only speak for myself - but the cliff hanger pissed me off enough that I haven't cared enough to read ANY articles/teasers about this upcoming season - i haven't even cared enough to find out when the new season starts.  

I think they really biffed it with the season finale.

[Guest]

On ‎9‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 9:39 AM, Gobi said:

I suspect that the reason TPTB went for the cliffhanger is because of worry that they would lose a lot of fans over the summer if they killed off some favorite characters.  This way, people will tune in for the season opener, and they can hope that they'll stay with it, and the show won't lose as many viewers.

I think they went with a cliffhanger because they won't kill off a favorite character. 

In that scenario it is theoretically more hype over the summer if the might kill off someone major versus someone the audience will relatively easily adjust to being gone.  Where they misjudged is no one really believes them any more about no one being safe because they faked the audience out too many times so the cliffhanger didn't work for them.

[JackONeill]

Putting aside what happens to Glenn in the premiere, I'd venture to say that the only way a true biggie will die in the next few seasons (if the shows makes it that long) is if that actor wants to leave the show. So, Rick, Carl, Michonne, Daryl, Carol, Maggie, Judith are safe. Another thing, I think to accommodate certain actors who land other part time projects, like Michonne, I think TPTB will bend over backwards to accommodate their schedule, to the point that actor may only have to be in 1 or 2 episodes.

I think this show is at the point TPTB has to keep it from deterioting in the ratings (not that it's started, but we are about to enter season 7. That's old by TV standards.) TPTB may or not know when a certain biggie (Rick, Maggie) wants to bail. Losing one or two people at once could really hurt. They've not successfully introduced any new people who have the power to keep the audience hooked. I like Rosita and Aaron, but they are no Rick from an audience standpoint. I als think TPTB is making a mistake by introducing TOO much this season. Maybe that makes the comic book people happy, but I like well-drawn characters in a well-thought out plot. Sounds like Season 7 is going to be all over the place, including down at the ocean.

[crowsworks]

I'm kinda done. They've dragged it out too long and if I hear one more cast or crew tell viewers to "have someone you love to hold when you  watch" (I'll watch with my priest and shrink) OR not at all. I can find out who gets auffed here if I care...Bored Now.

[Iguessnot]

Someone speculated awhile back that they could ignore the Negan storyline for the first episode and catch up on the other storylines. I don't think they will do that but it's no longer out of the realm of possibility given the foolishness they are now willing to pull.

[Nashville]

8 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

Someone speculated awhile back that they could ignore the Negan storyline for the first episode and catch up on the other storylines. I don't think they will do that but it's no longer out of the realm of possibility given the foolishness they are now willing to pull.

They start trying to draw out this Operation Charlie Foxtrot even more, and I'm taking the series programming off my DVR.  I stil have a few seasons of House and Castle DVDs I could be catching up on.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Nashville

[crowsworks]

I binged most of the series halfway through the seasons. I like spoilers... you know there had to someone.....

[weightyghost]

The ultimate thing that bugs me about the cliffhanger was that TPTB believe they could keep it a secret. That's why they shouldn't have done it and why they need to stop pretending like they're so smart about it. I don't seek out spoilers in the slightest, and I heard within days of the season being filmed of who it was. If they were secluded on a film set in the middle of nowhere, sure. FIlm all the cliffhangers you want. But you're in a small town thousands of miles from where actors normally are. The people who aren't on set are big flashing lights as to who is gone. 

What I hope for in season 7 is for the show to get it's balls back and surprise me. The last person the group lost was who, Noah? who was with the group for a 3 episodes? Before that, Tyrese which was a season and a half ago. I never thought I'd be hoping for people to die but after the lame (no matter who it is, it'll be lame) death in the premiere, they need to do better. I also don't believe the cast and their "HOLD ON TO YOUR SEATS. MOST EPIC SEASON EVER' since they've been saying that for years and imo, it's hasn't lived up since season 3. 

[kj4ever]

Did anyone watch the special last night?  I dvr'd it, but if it's just a bunch of Whooah wait until you get a load of this Negan dude I don't even want to watch it!

[Lamima]

6 hours ago, kj4ever said:

Did anyone watch the special last night?  I dvr'd it, but if it's just a bunch of Whooah wait until you get a load of this Negan dude I don't even want to watch it!

Pretty much is (the 5 minute sneak peek thing). Though Rick also promised to kill him someday and then Negan talked about his right hand man and needing him and insinuated he took out Rick's right hand man.

 

The recap special was kinda dull but I watched while doing other stuff and it was good to get me geared up for the new season. To kind of remind me of 'how we got here'.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Lamima

[tricknasty]

3 hours ago, kj4ever said:

Did anyone watch the special last night?  I dvr'd it, but if it's just a bunch of Whooah wait until you get a load of this Negan dude I don't even want to watch it!

I DVR'd it and got bored long before the half way mark and stopped watching

[Gobi]

I'll be watching Westworld live instead of this. TWD isn't "must see tv" for me at this point; more like, "see it eventually tv".

[HighMaintenance]

I did watch last night's TWD, it was eh, ok... for a 2 hour retrospective show.  It condensed all 6 seasons' plots into 2 hours, along with the cast strolling down memory lane describing the plot lines and special effect scenes.  They could have done it in about 30 minutes.  I guess it would have been worthwhile for someone who hasn't ever seen the show, or didn't get into it until later seasons and wanted to play "catch up".

The part I found most interesting was to compare and contrast Season 1 with the following 5 seasons.  Back in those days, the walkers were faster, the story moved faster, and I thought the acting/script was a bit more polished - of course this was a 6 episode season. It made me kind of nostalgic for naive CDB and the innocence of Season 1.  Shane! Baby Coral! Jacquie! Amy! Morales! Dale! Chemo Carol! Blonde Darryl!  2-Handed Merle! T-Dawg! Jenner! Bad CGI Disease Center Explosion!  Unfortunately, they did not reminisce about the Vatos or their bad-ass Abuelita.

[ghoulina]

On 9/16/2016 at 3:34 PM, Boilergal said:

 

I can only speak for myself - but the cliff hanger pissed me off enough that I haven't cared enough to read ANY articles/teasers about this upcoming season - i haven't even cared enough to find out when the new season starts.  

I think they really biffed it with the season finale.

 

I am right there with you. I don't generally seek out spoilers (except when Judith was presumed dead, I couldn't handle not knowing), but I haven't been too keen to read ANYthing about TWD over the hiatus. I haven't even watched trailers or sneak peaks or anything.This is literally the first time I've perused the TWD forums since the finale, and that's mainly because a lot of my other active ones seem slow today.  I am still pissed. This move was all about generating ratings, shock and awe. I'm not into it. 

I want a STORY. I want characters I can root for. I want amazing imagery. I DID watch some of season 1 & 2 that were marathoning yesterday, while I did chores around the house. And it just reminded me of how beautiful this story used to be.I loved the care with which they handled the walkers, reminding us they were people too. They just feel like props now.

 

 I was HOOKED on this the first 4 seasons. I want that feeling back. I told my husband, I'd even take Andrea back! 

[Gobi]

1 minute ago, ghoulina said:

 

 

 I was HOOKED on this the first 4 seasons. I want that feeling back. I told my husband, I'd even take Andrea back! 

Let's not get carried away.

[ghoulina]

2 minutes ago, Gobi said:

Let's not get carried away.

She is my least favorite character EVER on the show (member of the group, not counting bad guys), but at this point...I don't know. I'd consider it. If we could get Darabont back, or at least his style of storytelling, I'd take her. I think I would. 

[Dobian]

Whoever it is, it will be a major character.  They didn't pull all this crap so they could off Rosita.  Lauren Cohan was crying a lot at a press conference.  Well if they killed off Maggie and an unborn baby, I think they'll have killed the show.  Don't go there, show.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Dobian

[Anela]

15 hours ago, HighMaintenance said:

I did watch last night's TWD, it was eh, ok... for a 2 hour retrospective show.  It condensed all 6 seasons' plots into 2 hours, along with the cast strolling down memory lane describing the plot lines and special effect scenes.  They could have done it in about 30 minutes.  I guess it would have been worthwhile for someone who hasn't ever seen the show, or didn't get into it until later seasons and wanted to play "catch up".

The part I found most interesting was to compare and contrast Season 1 with the following 5 seasons.  Back in those days, the walkers were faster, the story moved faster, and I thought the acting/script was a bit more polished - of course this was a 6 episode season. It made me kind of nostalgic for naive CDB and the innocence of Season 1.  Shane! Baby Coral! Jacquie! Amy! Morales! Dale! Chemo Carol! Blonde Darryl!  2-Handed Merle! T-Dawg! Jenner! Bad CGI Disease Center Explosion!  Unfortunately, they did not reminisce about the Vatos or their bad-ass Abuelita.

Aw, that means they missed the best bit. "We thought you were getting eaten by dogs, man!" and then the camera turns to those little dogs. 

11 hours ago, Dobian said:

Whoever it is, it will be a major character.  They didn't pull all this crap so they could off Rosita.  Lauren Cohan was crying a lot at a press conference.  Well if they killed off Maggie and an unborn baby, I think they'll have killed the show.  Don't go there, show.

Oh, no. :( 

I listened to a little bit of the show, but also got bored. I'd rather just catch up on Netflix. 

[bad things are bad]

actually I didn't mind Andrea most of the time. She made sure to pitch in, didn't want to be relegated to "women's work" and spoke her mind. Michonne's grief when she died really raised my estimation of her. But the whole Governor thing was stupid

[NorthstarATL]

On 10/18/2016 at 0:04 PM, bad things are bad said:

actually I didn't mind Andrea most of the time. She made sure to pitch in, didn't want to be relegated to "women's work" and spoke her mind. Michonne's grief when she died really raised my estimation of her. But the whole Governor thing was stupid

I didn't even mind her in the Woodbury storyline. She had been cut off from the group, and, if she didn't assume they were dead, she at least had to assume that the chances of reuniting were slim. She was grateful to Michonne, but Michonne, IMO smartly, wasn't much of a conversationalist and was coping with the ZA that was radically different than what Andrea had been accustomed to. She got seriously ill and might have died, but was saved by being taken to Woodbury, which was civilization! Working showers, amenities, and the leader took a shine to her, all of which she would have to give up based upon Michonne's gut. WE knew Michonne was right, but, seriously, who wouldn't have considered staying, given the other options?

  Of course, eventually she would overlook the obvious, and over-estimate her own worth as both a negotiator and a lover, but I didn't hate her for it. Besides, her arc also allowed us some insight into Carol, whose advice to kill the Governor in his sleep told us more about Carol than we'd been privy to before.

[ghoulina]

My issue with Andrea was that she was always trying to prove herself, and didn't work well with others. I get that she wanted to help, and not just do the "wimmins work". Although, one could argue that the stuff Lori and Early Carol did were very important to the group as well. There's room for everyone. Not everyone can be a badass fighter like Michonne. But I appreciated that she wanted to learn to shoot and help defend the group. The thing is, she wasn't willing to accept the fact that she needed time. You can't just step into one of the leader positions right off the bat. She wouldn't listen to anyone else. She shot Daryl because she was trying too hard to prove that she was just as good as the guys, when common sense should have told her she just wasn't ready yet. She was impulsive, stubborn, and hot headed. She drove me nuts. 

I didn't blame her for wanting to stay at Woodbury. But she acted the same way there that she did with CDB, running off and doing her own thing. If you're going to live with a group, you need to work with the group. And she stayed with the Guv WAY past the point of understanding. She knew he was evil, and yet she stayed. She could have ended him, and she didn't. In the end, she had too much naivety in her, and it got her killed. 

[nodorothyparker]

I was generally okay with Andrea.  And it made all the sense in the world to me why she would stay at Woodbury initially.  Her own group had driven off and left her for dead.  She'd spent months wandering out in the open with a woman who was so deep in her own grief that she was one step above mute.  So here's a seemingly nice place with walls and showers where the people apparently have enough time and resources to have town picnics.  And once the Guv took an interest in her, she even got to feel important, which had been something she had always been bucking for in her original group always trying to prove herself.  As long as you don't notice the fish tanks full of heads, it's a fair step up from dragging endlessly through the woods.

Arrow on the Doorpost from season 3 was on during the marathon last night, the episode where Rick and the Guv spend an hour dick measuring while Andrea congratulates herself for getting them to the negotiating table.  That episode is maddening for many reasons, not the least of which is that it's apparent there that everyone on both sides BUT Andrea realizes that there won't be a deal they can all live with.  She knows about the heads and what lies beneath Woodbury's veneer.  She's been to the prison, so knows they've already been attacked.  It's also spelled out for her in this episode that the Guv sexually violated Maggie.  But there she is, blithely accepting praise for arranging the meetup and carpooling back with them to Woodbury.  It's my big for fuck's sake moment with the character.

On topic for the cliffhanger?  The spoiler phobic husband loves the show, so I've assumed I've got little choice but to gamely hang in there no matter how bad it gets.  But even he admitted this week that after all the previews he's not looking forward to the season premier the way he has the last six.  "It feels like an obligation now, like Thanksgiving with relatives you really don't want to see.  I don't find obligations very entertaining."  Pretty much, yeah.

[SnarkyTart]

On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 11:50 AM, ghoulina said:

She is my least favorite character EVER on the show (member of the group, not counting bad guys), but at this point...I don't know. I'd consider it. If we could get Darabont back, or at least his style of storytelling, I'd take her. I think I would. 

I wouldn't even object to this Negan-centric season if it was still in Darabont's hands. As it is, I'm so over with Gimple's misery porn that the Negan character in his hands is probably going to turn me into a TWD hate watcher. 

[ghoulina]

Agreed. I thought the Saviors set up was creepy and pretty cool. Old school horror with a lot of suspense. But then Negan came and started talking. And talking. And talking. Throw in the cliff hanger and it was just way too heavy handed. 

[Reghan]

8 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Agreed. I thought the Saviors set up was creepy and pretty cool. Old school horror with a lot of suspense. But then Negan came and started talking. And talking. And talking. Throw in the cliff hanger and it was just way too heavy handed. 

I didn't mind his talking and talking. We have to get to know his character and what better way to get to know someone then listen to how they talk to people?

The setup was super creepy...that whistling...*Shudder*

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, Reghan said:

I didn't mind his talking and talking. We have to get to know his character and what better way to get to know someone then listen to how they talk to people?

I don't know...personally, I'm more about showing, not telling. I thought they did a good job of showing us a lot about Negan's character via the interactions with the Hilltop group, the Saviors, etc. I find villains are often more creepy when we learn about them thought their enemies, their henchmen, etc. than through a lot of their own dialogue. I feel like they just gave Negan a ton of lines at the end to build up until the cliffhanger. They were killing time, because they weren't going to actually kill anyone. Not in that episode. It felt cheap, to me. 

[Persnickety1]

I'm a diehard fan of the show.  No matter what fuck-and-awe shenanigans Gimple pulls from his arse, I'll be there to watch.  In for a penny, in for a pound.  I'll be watching this show 20 years from now in the retirement home whilst wearing a bib to catch my drool if it's still on.  If not, I'll demand a DVD player to watch it on continuous repeat.  

That being said, I'm far more interested in seeing Morgan and Carol at The Kingdom than I am seeing the head bashing in the premiere.  I find the developing relationship between Morgan and Carol fascinating, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of The Kingdom and how that community operates.  

And, of course, I can't wait to get back to Hilltop and see Jesus.  Oh my my...I don't care what he's doing, I just want to gaze upon the eye candy he provides.

Now, hurry the fuck up, Sunday, let's get this show back on the road!  

[jackjill89]

Andrea got on my last nerve, but I cried when she died. They handled that really well. 

I do miss the emphasis on characters on the show. Whenever you start getting more plot driven, you have characters start doing things that make no sense -- Carol's quick flip on killing people (it was rushed) for example. That is what drives the audience crazy. When you've come to know and love characters it is frustrating to see them do things you know they never would do just to advance the plot. There has to be the essence of who they are in their actions.

[SoSueMe]

On 10/17/2016 at 2:50 PM, ghoulina said:

She is my least favorite character EVER on the show (member of the group, not counting bad guys), but at this point...I don't know. I'd consider it. If we could get Darabont back, or at least his style of storytelling, I'd take her. I think I would. 

Andrea,,,,,,Beth,,,,,,Andrea,,,,Beth

I miss the good old days too but I don't think I would bargain for either of these two :)

[The Mighty Peanut]

On 9/15/2016 at 1:52 PM, SometimesBites said:

and that's coming from a fan who's been willing to go along with damned near everything they've ever done! (Except for the stupid Beth-and-Darryl-bond-over-moonshine idea; that episode can crawl off and die.)

 

Haha that episode will live in infamy. Of all the things I've had to shrug my shoulders and accept I cannot accept Beth casually gulping a glass, not a shot but a glass, of pure moonshine like it was water. 

[AngelaHunter]

Someone edited together the "cliffhanger" from last season with the rest of that scene. IMO, a big improvement.

https://vid.me/miNL