S06.E14: Not Easy To Love

[Mozelle]

On the topic of Eileen being bothered by LVP questioning how Eileen and Vince go together--
 
I wonder if Eileen's qualms with it are the way their marriage has been reduced to "Oh, you two had an affair with each other?"? Eileen and Vince have been together for 15 years now, which means that there's far more to their union than an affair that occurred 15 years ago. I'm not and have never been married, so I'm coming at this from a different perspective, I suppose. It would be maybe similar to someone saying to LVP, "You spotted a very wealthy man nearly 20 years your senior and decided to give it a go, yeah?" That would be such a gross essentializing of LVP's and Ken's decades-long union. And not only a gross essetnializing, but a method of stripping it down to a seedy, cynical interaction. 
 

I really liked this episode.  And not just because Bambi continues to be the only dog I've ever seen on these shows who acts like a real dog (as opposed to a purse accessory) - in every scene in Kyle's house, there is Bambi, putting her tennis ball on the table, until she swapped it out for a baked potato.   Awesome.
 
Re LVP - I think she is absolutely invested in the gossip, and completely takes sides.  She just does it when the cameras are not rolling.  This has been her practice going at least back to Season 2, when Brandi came into the picture.  LVP knew Brandi was brought in to make LVP mad, because of the Cedric connection; she talked that up to Kyle, which is why Kyle was so nasty to Brandi (which was Kyle's mistake and Kyle's bad doing).  Then LVP realized that she would be smarter to win Brandi over, so she off-camera arranged a meeting with Brandi, where she basically agreed to accept Brandi, as long as Brandi was her friend.  Brandi, no dummy, went for it completely.  This is where the whole "chess player" thing started - and I frankly thought it was a genius move on LVP's part.  She then deployed Brandi against Adrienne, just as she apparently tried to deploy Lisa Rinna against Yolanda.  With Brandi, it worked on Adrienne, but Brandi then turned on LVP.  I guess LVP doesn't learn as quick as you'd think, because if she tried to use Lisa Rinna, she should have remembered:  people don't like being used as weapons and they WILL turn on you when they realize what you've done.
 
LVP DOES "engage from the side".  Absolutely 100%.  
 
What's funny is, this sounds like I don't like her because of that, and that's actually not true! I admire her for working the system.  Production tried to mess with her, by bringing in a friend of Cedric, and she turned it to her advantage.  Slow clap.  Well done.  
 
My thing is, let's say LVP is Bambi.  She's taking the baked potato off the table.  Nicely played, Bambi!  But when people say "hey, you're taking that baked potato off the table," you can't then say "WHAT?!?!  I would NEVER take a baked potato off the table!  I don't even CARE about baked potatoes!! I have so many TENNIS BALLS to show you, WHY would I want a baked potato?!?!"
 
And that's my core issue with LVP.  She plays games, fair enough.  She gets caught and acts terribly wounded and offended and "how could you THINK such a thing."  That's where I get really irritated with her.

 
ottergirl, I think this analysis of LVP is spot on. Erika--who've I changed my views on based solely on that lame ass "I don't have women friends because [insert stereotypes about women...even though I behave similarly]" reason--is right in that LVP engages from the side. I've never found that to be undeniable in all the seasons of this franchise I've watched. 

 

LVP doesn't do it as much as the others for sure. I've always thought this had more to do with the fact that she doesn't get as close to the other gals. Actually, this is the first season I can remember where LVP is interacting so much with so many different people. Usually she sticks fairly close to one or two gals.
 
A couple of occasions stand out to me. LVP, Brandi and Yo gossiping about Kyle at the beginning of S4. The tabloid stories had just come out and they had a lunch where they sat around with glee and laughed about Kyle and how she had no friends, except for the ones that had a house to sell. LVP was especially ugly in that scene. Another time was the end of S3 when LVP and Brandi were getting a massage. This was the same night that Adrienne was having a big vodka party that they had decided to not attend. They gossiped about Adrienne and her marriage. LVP asked Brandi lots of questions to ascertain whether there were any problems in the Maloof household. 
 
My all time favorite example of how LVP manipulates and drives the drama strategically is with the S3 surrogate reveal. Of course Kyle asked the original question of Brandi - "what happened between you and Adrienne"?  A good question - none of us understood any of it. Brandi was off and running, but the dynamic between LVP and Brandi became fascinating. LVP started asking more probing and leading questions as the conversation went on. "She did that"? "When did she say that"? "Why would she do something like that"? LVP seemed incredulous at what she was hearing, as if she was hearing it all for the first time. Of course she wasn't hearing any of it for the first time. She and Brandi had become very close and they both hated Adrienne. Does anyone believe that Brandi hadn't already told LVP all of those things? As I watched it, I was literally transfixed with the way that Brandi was getting all of her griefs about Adrienne out there on camera, and LVP was keeping her hands very clean. She was the one who hated Adrienne the most, yet she was careful to not say things about her outside of the original claim about the tabloid stories. She helped Brandi trash Adrienne and pretended like she had zero idea that Adrienne had ever done any of these things. It was so awesome and perfectly played, especially the part where Kyle ended up getting blamed for the reveal, because she had asked the original question. 
 
But remember, the charge against LVP has always been that she does all this away from the cameras. Both Kyle and Brandi have spoken about the early morning, daily phone calls that last for an hour or more. Brandi specifically said that almost nothing outside of the show is discussed on these calls. It's all strategic about the show. Kyle never went as far as to make this charge against LVP with regard to the phone calls. She just acknowledged that they happened, and of course she is the first one to have told the world that LVP is very strategic.

motorcitymom, you gave all of the examples I was eager to share (but trying to be diligent enough to wait 'til I read the entire thread before posting)! :)
 
I'd like to point out another thing that Lisa does away from the cameras, and which came from the woman they brought on two seasons ago as a FOH (on Kyle's side). I can't remember her name. She was a real estate agent with The Agency and her husband was part of Hollywood royalty. This woman (I could Google, but I don't want to click to another tab) once interviewed that LVP was not all that friendly when the cameras weren't rolling and that she changes when the cameras are on her.
 
I guess if you're on the receiving end of "I'm keeping you at arms length only until there's an overhead boom mic and a camera in our space" then that would make you roll your eyes on camera when that same person is now feigning interest in your life.*
 
*There's someone like that who I *know*. I've taken to calling her Sometime-y. She met one of my good friends, who doesn't live in our city, recently on a trip. I now tease him and say that she's his new BFF. But seriously, she doesn't engage me in conversation until she sees one of her friends talking and laughing with me, and every time it happens, all I think is "Damn, you're so phony."

Edited March 2, 2016 by Mozelle

[zoeysmom]

And why even introduce Brandi at all? Seriously? They have bigger fish to fry. To start it off with stupid petty shit is probably why they can never get to anything of substance with regards to their healing because depending on the mood her throwing that out there could have very easily sent the whole conversation down the wrong path right off the bat. Kim could have decided to answer another way, maybe by trying to defend her friendship with Brandi which of course would have launched Kyle into some dialogue about this that and the other. I mean to be honest I feel like Kyle baits Kim ALL THE TIME and I think Kim is the one that's always trying to find a way to not get caught up in the minefield Kyle sets up but that's just me.

BRAVO!!! You my friend deserve that slow clap!

Brandi had inserted herself not only into Kim's life but Mauricio's business. By this time Mauricio's attorneys had sent Brandi a "Cease and Desist" letter.  Supposedly they were having an open conversation and Kyle was letting Kim know Brandi tweeting info about Kim was not okay.  Kyle had taken steps to let Rinna know she was not okay with Rinna's attacks on Kim and that Rinna shared the blame.  That is what sisters are suppose to do-not suck up to Brandi.

[rho]

I'm trying to recall how Our Lady of Limes was introduced to the show and coming up empty.   I'm sure she was someone's friend.  Maybe not my girl Vanderbucks, though?  

 

If I recall correctly, and I probably don't, Yo may have been the only one who didn't have a proper sit down lunch with one of the returning wives to introduce her into the fold. I think we just showed up at her lemon orchard and she pranced around in between flashbacks to Mohammed's house. I think they tried to stretch the LVP connection. Now I'm probably going to waste my morning rewatching season 3.

 

After reading thru the pet antics posts, I realized something.   The last 2 or 3 episodes I've come here to only post comments on  "The Real Dogs of Beverly Hills".   They've really taken over.   The ladies are secondary; they've become so boring/predictable.

 

Between the anticlimactic Kim/Kyle showdown and Rinna's kid's tonsils, the only watchable clips for me where the random Zootopia ads. Those were so cute, second only to Bambi stealing an entire potato off the dinner table. And also the ponies needing an enclosure. I wish we got more of that! 

[Vicky8675309]

Yoyawnda is such a hypocrite. At the park with Erika and Whineleen she says something about how girlfriends are supposed to keep confidences and not blab.  But wasn't she just scolding the girls for talking behind each others back. Yet it is ok for Erika to do it to LVP.

 

about the preview:

That preview doesn't make sense: LisaR said her hairdresser brought up the Munchie comment so why is now LVPs fault? Does LisaR not control her own mouth?

 

back to this episode: is the sequence correct or is it editing--> did Mo give LVP the pink horse house (stable?/barn?) after the BBQ and the whole kid's don't have lyme fiasco?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[Yours Truly]

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Edited March 2, 2016 by Yours Truly

[sistermagpie]

Kyle's backlash has mainly been about Kim and don't get me started on how I feel about those behind the scenes dealings that I believe went down.

 

 

Nope, as was chronicled above, it's been about lots of things and the housewives did totally gang up on her for reasons that had nothing to do with Kim because none of them cared that she outed Kim. Individual housewives have also had personal issues with her where they let her have it. 

[Yours Truly]

 

 

It's important for Kim to apologize because it's symbolic of Kim's refusal to take responsibility for anything, to make herself a victim and to demand that everyone agree with her version of events--especially when it comes to her claiming she's not using anything, that her addiction has never interfered with her ability to function and that any bad choice she's ever made was forced on her by circumstances or other people. When people question her she finds friends who go along with all that like Brandi or before that Ken. She wants to keep going on the same way she's been going on only with a clean slate.

 

I get a feeling the Kim has been forced to agree with other people's versions of events as well which is why a least some of the time I think it should be okay for her not to be forced into apologies that are stemmed from inaccuracies. But this will never be the case which is why I need her to stay off TV. I'm so tired of feeling sorry for her (but I do).

[WaltersHair]

Realizing Lisa Vanderpump is the master manipulator, made me go back and take a closer look at the opening credits. Not only is LVP front and center, but she has both hands clutching that ginormous diamond. Might as well be Bravo's balls.

[Watermelon]

Erika is a fucking weirdo. "Why would you ask me how long I've known Yolanda?"  Who DOESN'T ask that?! Especially when one finds out you're picking her up 1)after surgery and 2) in your private jet.  That's not regular new friend shit.  "Why would Kathryn ask me the same thing?" Oh, IDK, You both are the new girls on a TV show so "how long have you known your tv sponsor" isn't really abnormal either.  Paranoia isn't cool, Girardi. 

[Yours Truly]

I don't think any of the ho'wives have ever been targeted as much as Kyle - on a variety of different things. LVP has been targeted as well, but it's always the same old thing - she is manipulative. Every single thing that has ever been thrown out against her involves the same theme (so I would imagine it is probably true).

 

At he S3 reunion, Kyle got pretty much everything thrown at her. She wanted her sister to fail (this theme has continued on - courtesy of Brandi), she was a liar (according to Yo because she said that Yo had been badmouthing LVP in Paris, even though Lisa later admitted that she knew Yo had been talking badly about her but took Yo's side at the reunion anyway), and she was only nice to people because she wanted to list their home. She had her integrity questioned time and time again, and those thing stuck, and continue to stick. Even though LVP apologized for the comment about securing friends for listings and admitted the friendship had been on-going for 10 years, there are all kinds of people who will always believe that Kyle and Mauricio have zero integrity in this arena. I always hear people talk about the horrible way everyone went after LVP in S4, but IMO it is nothing compared to the way Yo, Brandi and LVP went after Kyle in S3. The thing that made their attack so much more horrific in my mind is the way they were so gleeful about it, even through S4. They loved to sit around and mock Kyle, seeming to take great delight in the fact that they were the "winners". I never saw any glee in the others surrounding what happened to LVP in S4. 

Well they've all had people coming for them I mean the gang ups that happen on one housewife that happen across the franchises. Kyles never been on the other side of that. Like a season long LVP type of take down among the cast members.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Yours Truly

[WireWrap]

If I recall correctly, and I probably don't, Yo may have been the only one who didn't have a proper sit down lunch with one of the returning wives to introduce her into the fold. I think we just showed up at her lemon orchard and she pranced around in between flashbacks to Mohammed's house. I think they tried to stretch the LVP connection. Now I'm probably going to waste my morning rewatching season 3.

 

 

Between the anticlimactic Kim/Kyle showdown and Rinna's kid's tonsils, the only watchable clips for me where the random Zootopia ads. Those were so cute, second only to Bambi stealing an entire potato off the dinner table. And also the ponies needing an enclosure. I wish we got more of that! 

Yolanda was introduced by Lisa as the "ex-wife of an old friend". Lisa has said from the get go that she really didn't know Yolanda, she has never claimed that she/Yolanda were/are friends.

 

Yoyawnda is such a hypocrite. At the park with Erika and Whineleen she says something about how girlfriends are supposed to keep confidences and not blab.  But wasn't she just scolding the girls for talking behind each others back. Yet it is ok for Erika to do it to LVP.

 

about the preview:

That preview doesn't make sense: LisaR said her hairdresser brought up the Munchie comment so why is now LVPs fault? Does LisaR not control her own mouth?

 

back to this episode: is the sequence correct or is it editing--> did Mo give LVP the pink horse house (stable?/barn?) after the BBQ and the whole kid's don't have lyme fiasco?

Yes, the stable was AFTER the BBQ, not before. So, from that fact alone, I don't think Mohamed was/is upset at Lisa in any way. JMO

[Watermelon]

All these women are doing is making Lisa the star.  They're showing that 1) they are apparently incapable of being their own person if they allow themselves to be "manipulated" and 2) they have no story lines of their own.

 

I don't know why LVP comes back.  I generally think she's been over this show for a long time, but maybe the money is good and it brings in people to her restaurants, and sure, fame is fun.  LVP seems to have fun and likes fun, anyway.

That's my thing. "lisa said if I felt like I wanted to say something, I should" Uh. Ok. So that makes her a manipulator?  Harry literally did the same thing at the table about texting Kim "Happy Birthday".  It's nobody's fault Rinna is an idiot, It's not Lisa's fault Eileen is too timid to say, "ooookay girl, enough questions".

[Yours Truly]

Brandi had inserted herself not only into Kim's life but Mauricio's business. By this time Mauricio's attorneys had sent Brandi a "Cease and Desist" letter.  Supposedly they were having an open conversation and Kyle was letting Kim know Brandi tweeting info about Kim was not okay.  Kyle had taken steps to let Rinna know she was not okay with Rinna's attacks on Kim and that Rinna shared the blame.  That is what sisters are suppose to do-not suck up to Brandi.

But see what all this brings up?  My point is that bringing something like that up in a meeting that's supposed to hopefully help with reconciliation is just detrimental. It seems like they are in the process of baby steps so the best way to start such a fragile interaction is to sabatoge it by bringing up Brandi of all people? That's what I'm criticizing. Not denying all the crap that went down just the need to bring it up right then and right there. The questionable judgement these women have when dealing with their fractured relationship is what keeps it fractured and not just Kim's addictions.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Yours Truly

[WireWrap]

Nope, as was chronicled above, it's been about lots of things and the housewives did totally gang up on her for reasons that had nothing to do with Kim because none of them cared that she outed Kim. Individual housewives have also had personal issues with her where they let her have it. 

 

I don't think it is that no one cared about Kyle "outing" Kim so much as they already knew/realized Kim is an addict/alcoholic and they knew better than to get between 2 sisters in a personal battle.  

[Reo]

Oh, Eileen.  What you have to do for a paycheck.  In my imagination  -

 

RING RING

"Lisa?  It's Eileen."

"Hello darling, how are you today?"

"Not too happy about the schedule.  They want me to come after you again for not apologizing."

"I know, don't worry about it.  It's just production playing their usual tricks."

"But it's SO boring!  This is supposed to be entertainment!  It's soooo petty."

"But darling, the public expects us to be petty and delusional.  It could be worse with production...they could want you to be upset about Vinnie's gambling.  How much did he lose last week?  I heard he was shouting at the casino."

"I don't want to talk about it...it was so embarrassing.  Why do you think I keep making up issues between the two of us?"

"I know, darling, I know.  Why do you think I have so many pets?  Ken keeps grumbling about all the poo, but I tell him it's good to have hobbies at his age."

"And now...what's even worse...they want me to be besties with that nut job Yolanda and her little dog Erika."

"Better than Brandi or Kim!  I don't hold it against you, Eileen.  It's just a job.  You're an actress, act!"

Heavy sigh.  "Thanks, Lisa.  Are we good?"

"We're good.  Want to have lunch tomorrow?  No cameras.  I'll ask Kyle and LisaR, and we'll put our heads together to figure out something more interesting to bitch about."

"Lisa, you're the best!"

[Yours Truly]

Was anyone else confused why Kyle was trying to get the baked potato back? I mean why was she trying to pull it out of bambi's mouth? Was she planning on putting it back on the plate? LOL.

[Vicky8675309]

Was anyone else confused why Kyle was trying to get the baked potato back? I mean why was she trying to pull it out of bambi's mouth? Was she planning on putting it back on the plate? LOL.

 

So that Bambi isn't rewarded for stealing (or retrieving). Plus Bambi doesn't need the extra food--she looks well fed.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[WireWrap]

But see what all this brings up?  My point is that bringing something like that up in a meeting that's supposed to hopefully help with reconciliation is just detrimental. It seems like they are in the process of baby steps so the best way to start such a fragile interaction is to sabatoge it by bringing up Brandi of all people? That's what I'm criticizing. Not denying all the crap that went down just the need to bring it up right then and right there. The questionable judgement these women have when dealing with their fractured relationship is what keeps it fractured and not just Kim's addictions.

 

IMO, just mine, when Kim said that they need to discuss the past "privately" and not around any of the women because the others made it worse, was Kim blaming KYLE'S HW friends, it was not a general statement that they needed to just quietly talk themselves. Kim needs to remember that none of the HWs have ever revealed anything private about her that she hadn't already shown on camera herself and that can't be said for what Brandi has been saying/tweeting about Kyle that could have only come from either Kim herself or Kathy and I highly doubt that Kathy would share private family dirt with Brandi.

[WireWrap]

Was anyone else confused why Kyle was trying to get the baked potato back? I mean why was she trying to pull it out of bambi's mouth? Was she planning on putting it back on the plate? LOL.

Why were the potatoes already on the plates, the rest of the dinner was still in the serving platters on the table? I suspect that production placed 1 potato on 1 plate and stood with camera ready because they knew Bambi would try to sneak it. LOL

[izabella]

I do love that Kyle had no qualms about taking food out of Bambi's mouth.  Don't try that with Kingsley (may he rest in peace on the farm).

[motorcitymom65]

So that Bambi isn't rewarded for stealing (or retrieving). Plus Bambi doesn't need the extra food--she looks well fed.

Exactly. She didn't want Bambi to be rewarded for bad behavior.

We have a new Great Dane puppy. 18 weeks old and already at 55 lbs. She is everything; completely perfect except that she is doing these things (I've never had a dog who would grab food). The other night my husband sat a turkey sandwich down and that cute puppy grabbed it and ran. We got it away from her because we wanted her to understand she just couldn't do those things.

[zoeysmom]

I get a feeling the Kim has been forced to agree with other people's versions of events as well which is why a least some of the time I think it should be okay for her not to be forced into apologies that are stemmed from inaccuracies. But this will never be the case which is why I need her to stay off TV. I'm so tired of feeling sorry for her (but I do).

That is on Kim because she has stated she stops watching the episodes where she is shown in a bad light.  So if she choses to stick her head in the sand she will be left with others interpretation of events.  There is a pretty easy cure for it-watch the damn show.  She is being paid to do so.

[jnymph]

Why were the potatoes already on the plates, the rest of the dinner was still in the serving platters on the table? I suspect that production placed 1 potato on 1 plate and stood with camera ready because they knew Bambi would try to sneak it. LOL

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I'm sure Bambi didn't need alot of coaxing from production to sneak it either; she probably thought it looked like her beloved tennis ball only it smelled better. 

 

I wonder how much of it Kyle actually managed to get out of her mouth.  LOL 

Edited March 2, 2016 by jnymph

[jinjer]

Break out star from this episode: BAMBI

 

 

 

I too love that Kyle can reach right into Bambi's mouth - I know some think Bambi isn't well trained, but someone trained her well enough not to snap at her owner when she reached into her mouth.  I know Golden's you can't do this with.

 

I forgot another great moment on this ep was Lisar saying "I want to send Kim a text for her birthday. Would that be weird?" And everyone saying, "Um...yeah?" Except for Harry Hamlin who encourages her to go with her gut.

Now we know Harry Hamlin is as big a jackass as his wife.

Yolanda again:

When LisaVDP earnestly tells her she would never speak negatively about her children, YoLemons states "...and I wanna [sic] trust that and I'm trying to trust". Way to tell someone to their face that you don't trust them! Then in her TH she says "I wanna [sic] believe that everybody in this world has the best intent with my children, but obviously they don't". Who knows when she said this, but the editors chose to air this alongside the "wanna trust" clip.

 

I wonder if Lisar told Yo about what is revealed in the preview about Kyle and LVP's joking texts back and forth.

[Sincerely Yours]

IMO, just mine, when Kim said that they need to discuss the past "privately" and not around any of the women because the others made it worse, was Kim blaming KYLE'S HW friends, it was not a general statement that they needed to just quietly talk themselves. Kim needs to remember that none of the HWs have ever revealed anything private about her that she hadn't already shown on camera herself and that can't be said for what Brandi has been saying/tweeting about Kyle that could have only come from either Kim herself or Kathy and I highly doubt that Kathy would share private family dirt with Brandi.

But that is a good piece of advice and Kim was dead right to say that because they really can't have the discussions they need to have around other women who we've seen, including Brandi, insert shit and make things worse. Point being that it's probably better for their relationship with each other that they don't try to have personal and deep conversations with each other around anyone else that would feel the need to chime into the discussion. Whether the women actually outted her or revealed anything isn't the point they still did insert themselves within conversations that first off shouldn't have been had in public and were very sensitive. I think that was the point she was making. Kyle tended to bring a lot of discussions up at very inopportune times during filming. Now whatever her reasons were at the time I am not going to dissect I'm merely pointing out that Kim's assertion that their conversations with each other would be better off away from outside influences during this very fragile point in their relationship is a pretty accurate and smart approach to take.  

 

Bringing Brandi's twitter up doesn't negate Kim's very good point to keep outsiders out of their conversations. Kim didn't say that Kyle couldn't have her friendships she just said that for them they need to keep their relationship to themselves at least until they can get passed some of the hurdles. Makes sense to me. 

Edited March 2, 2016 by Sincerely Yours

[zoeysmom]

But see what all this brings up?  My point is that bringing something like that up in a meeting that's supposed to hopefully help with reconciliation is just detrimental. It seems like they are in the process of baby steps so the best way to start such a fragile interaction is to sabatoge it by bringing up Brandi of all people? That's what I'm criticizing. Not denying all the crap that went down just the need to bring it up right then and right there. The questionable judgement these women have when dealing with their fractured relationship is what keeps it fractured and not just Kim's addictions.

Well Kyle said she was ambivalent about how to address the conversation.  Apparently she decided her feelings were important regarding Brandi in order to start down the road to salvaging their relationship.   Brandi was rough on Kyle-in front of Kim (who always claims to either be blind with rage or just taking a pill) she called her a c$nt numerous times, went after her  marriage, her character.  Kim needs to pay attention.  Just as Kyle did not give Rinna a pass for calling Kim, "gross" for getting arrested for shoplifting. 

 

So it was said, and Kim needs to realize if she wants a relationship with her sister she needs to either address (privately)with Brandi to lay off Kyle and her family or to publicly denounce Brandi's comments about Kyle.  It seems pretty simple. 

 

I am not understanding the sabotage.  I think it is very clear after the Reunion and subsequent comments about Kyle and her family that Brandi was a huge issue.  Just because it is unpleasant to Kim doesn't mean it should be avoided.  Anymore than Rinna's text messages to Kim.

[jnymph]

I too love that Kyle can reach right into Bambi's mouth - I know some think Bambi isn't well trained, but someone trained her well enough not to snap at her owner when she reached into her mouth.  I know Golden's you can't do this with.

 

That would be the damn day my dog would snap at me for any reason.  I'd kick her ass. ( Metaphorically, not literally. ) 

 

I love the look on the German Shepard's (River?) face with the ears pinned back, as if to say "Hey.  I just wandered in here, and I had nothing to do with it. " 

[Yours Truly]

That is on Kim because she has stated she stops watching the episodes where she is shown in a bad light.  So if she choses to stick her head in the sand she will be left with others interpretation of events.  There is a pretty easy cure for it-watch the damn show.  She is being paid to do so.

I wasn't talking about the show. Just in her life in general.

[zoeysmom]

So that Bambi isn't rewarded for stealing (or retrieving). Plus Bambi doesn't need the extra food--she looks well fed.

And here I thought Kyle was going to put butter and sour cream on it and force Bambi to split it with River ;-).  River looked like he was down to split  a spud.

[phoenix780]

I thought Kim's "away from people" comment was more a reference to having conversations off camera, not to any specific Housewives.  

 

With respect to Eileen, I tend to believe she doesn't care that much about Vanderpump's questions or apology ("apology," whatever you prefer), but at this point it's really her only thing with the women.  It's her entry point into a team- and heaven forbid we not have teams- and it's her only example of how Vanderpump is a little manipulative.

 

And that little moment where Rinna wouldn't say anything about Vanderpump- I totally read that as a woman caught between two jobs.  Her whole life strategy is keep access to opportunities.  She couldn't go against Vanderpump, who sort of controls this current job by allegedly running the show.  Yet Eileen is her connection to three of the last four surviving soaps.  It's kind of fascinating, imho, and must be a tough spot for her.  

 

Last thing- that gif of the dog...that dog was super delicate with the potato.  And I agree with what seems to be a unanimous perception: best moment of the night.

[breezy424]

Erika's blog is up.  What a hypocrite. 

 

She writes:  The way I see it: Everything you hear is confidential unless someone tells you otherwise. It’s common sense.

 

But it was ok for you to go back to Yo about the BBQ....

 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-6/blogs/erika-girardi/erika-girardi-why-this-allegiance

[njbchlover]

Was anyone else confused why Kyle was trying to get the baked potato back? I mean why was she trying to pull it out of bambi's mouth? Was she planning on putting it back on the plate? LOL.

 

 

So that Bambi isn't rewarded for stealing (or retrieving). Plus Bambi doesn't need the extra food--she looks well fed.

 

 

Why were the potatoes already on the plates, the rest of the dinner was still in the serving platters on the table? I suspect that production placed 1 potato on 1 plate and stood with camera ready because they knew Bambi would try to sneak it. LOL

 

 

I do love that Kyle had no qualms about taking food out of Bambi's mouth.  Don't try that with Kingsley (may he rest in peace on the farm).

 

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I'm sure Bambi didn't need alot of coaxing from production to sneak it either; she probably thought it looked like her beloved tennis ball only it smelled better. 

 

I wonder how much of it Kyle actually managed to get out of her mouth.  LOL 

 

Now I have a craving for a loaded baked potato and have no potatoes in the house!!  

[ottergirl]

Erika has one thing in common with Carlton.  

 

Carlton came on the show hating Kyle.  HATING her.  It was pretty evident that Carlton, having seen the show, wanted to be part of the LVP/Yolanda/Brandi team, and no matter what Kyle said or did ("are you Catholic?"), Carlton was going to shred her to pieces.  And it just made Carlton look like a lunatic, because while there were many good reasons to dislike Kyle, none of them were relevant to Carlton.  Carlton would have been much better served biding her time, and letting her dislike happen organically.  

 

Erika seems to have come on the show hating LVP.  Because Yolanda told her to?  Because she watched the show and can see what many of us here see?  Because production promised her a bonus check? Who knows.  But her hatred of LVP seems premeditated, and not based on anything LVP has done TO HER.  "She asked me how long I've known Yolanda" is... um....not a serious offense.  

 

If Erika wanted to play LVP, it would have been smarter to spend longer sidling up to her, and then wait for LVP to make one of her infamous off-camera moves, like trusting Erika enough to ask Erika about Munchausen's.  Then spring the trap.  But it looks a bit like Erika sprung the trap when there just wasn't enough in it.

 

I think everyone on the show knows that LVP is a player.  And they also know that she's too savvy to get caught doing it on camera.  (Exception still being: Season 4, when she was giddy with power, and tried to eviscerate Kyle by attacking Kyle's marriage and her husband's business integrity. She got cocky in that situation, because the viewers hated Kyle so much, and she thought she was immune. And she mostly got away with it.  But the evidence remains on film, and you can't watch that stuff and say LVP doesn't gossip and doesn't play games.  She came VERY close to being caught then, and only Brandi's drunken incompetence kept it from happening.  She's not going to make the same mistake twice.)  

 

So - are they all right, that she's a sniper from the side?  Yep.  But you can't whine about it.  You just have to be smarter than her.  And they're not bringing anything good to the table.  "She asked me about my affair" or "she asked how I knew Yolanda" is not going to change the narrative. 

 

I see a tabloid-in-the-suitcase scenario happening again.  Everyone knows LVP put the tabloids in the suitcase.  Brandi and (if memory serves) Kyle both have said that production was there when it happened, and production confirmed it - including to Kyle, which was why Kyle WAS so upset.  But production can't testify on camera, LVP insisted it wasn't true because she knew it would be her word vs. Brandi's.  Now Lisa Rinna is going to say that LVP prompted her to ask about Munchausen's, LVP is going to deny it, and it's tabloids in the suitcase one more time.

 

The wild card for me is Kyle.  We saw that one snippet of LVP saying to Kyle, "I'm not asking you to lie," and Kyle saying "I'm telling YOU NOT to lie." I suspect that conversation involves Yolanda and Lisa Rinna and what was going on behind the scenes.  I'll be curious to see how it plays out.

 

(And to reiterate: I hate Yolanda, way more than I'm irritated by LVP, so I'm not going to root for any team with Lyme Lady on it.)

 

I don't mind this storyline.  But I IN ADVANCE protest the secondary storyline, that LVP is already pushing hard on twitter, and in her blogs, that this is a replay of the tragic injustice of Season 4, when everyone attacked poor LVP in Puerto Rico FOR NO REASON AND SHE IS STILL SO SCARRED AND WOUNDED TO HER VERY INNOCENT SOUL.  

[njbchlover]

 

Now we know Harry Hamlin is as big a jackass as his wife.

 

 

Maybe - or he is savvy enough to know that this is the type of nonsensical drama and shit stirring that will keep his wife on the show.   :-)

Edited March 2, 2016 by njbchlover

[Sincerely Yours]

Well Kyle said she was ambivalent about how to address the conversation.  Apparently she decided her feelings were important regarding Brandi in order to start down the road to salvaging their relationship.   Brandi was rough on Kyle-in front of Kim (who always claims to either be blind with rage or just taking a pill) she called her a c$nt numerous times, went after her  marriage, her character.  Kim needs to pay attention.  Just as Kyle did not give Rinna a pass for calling Kim, "gross" for getting arrested for shoplifting. 

 

So it was said, and Kim needs to realize if she wants a relationship with her sister she needs to either address (privately)with Brandi to lay off Kyle and her family or to publicly denounce Brandi's comments about Kyle.  It seems pretty simple. 

 

I am not understanding the sabotage.  I think it is very clear after the Reunion and subsequent comments about Kyle and her family that Brandi was a huge issue.  Just because it is unpleasant to Kim doesn't mean it should be avoided.  Anymore than Rinna's text messages to Kim.

I'm curious, was that the focus of that meeting? I didn't think it was. Where they supposed to be having some deep resolution talk or was it supposed to be what I thought it looked to be which was 1) a tentative visit to build from the fun they had together recently 2) A segment to be filmed for Bravo which I expect isn't the time to really get into it hence Kim's comment and 3)a lead into other guest appearances from housewives past.

 

It did not seem to me that that arranged meeting was meant to be anything other than a brief touching base on their issues as well as a welcome visit with each other after not seeing or talking to each other for so long and not some lets get right down to the meat and potatoes theraputic, solve it all talk. IMO, bringing up Brandi was just heavy handed, risky and unnecessary in that instant.

 

Also the way she brought up Brandi, it wasn't even with any clarity. It was just some nonsense about twitter and pictures and pretty much expressing her disapproval of Brandi displaying her friendship with Kim so blatantly which all in all isn't such a huge offense in itself. Now, if Brandi's name would have come up in a way where  Kyle is expressing that she's still hesitate and put off by their whole friendship and it affects her ability to be close to her sister then that's one thing but that whole high school, "who does that" approach? Come on. And it didn't really go anywhere either. Kyle just wanted to let it be known she's not happy with Kim over it. (which No Duh does it really need to be said). Speaking on it that way is just more damaging than not. Just leave that sorta stuff for the group therapy they so definitely need.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Sincerely Yours

[Mozelle]

Well they've all had people coming for them I mean the gang ups that happen on one housewife that happen across the franchises. Kyles never been on the other side of that. Like a season long LVP type of take down among the cast members.

Kyle most certainly has. I thought motorcitymom outlined cogently the ways in which it happened, too. That season with that Carlton lady was the very season it happened. 

[kokapetl]

I do love that Kyle had no qualms about taking food out of Bambi's mouth. Don't try that with Kingsley (may he rest in peace on the farm).

I think it'd be best if all the Real Housewives stuck with small dogs. Golden Retrievers are very trainable, the potato stealing probably shouldn't be happening.

[Cherrio]

Since LVP's house seems to be filmed the most, I just need to get this out of my system.  

It looks like a over done filled with faux and cheaply made junk little dept. store.   The name of your home on the doors? The doormats?

   I would expect someone waiting to spray me with cheap perfume upon entering , along with the coupon of the day.

[sistermagpie]

Also the way she brought up Brandi, it wasn't even with any clarity. It was just some nonsense about twitter and pictures and pretty much expressing her disapproval of Brandi displaying her friendship with Kim so blatantly which all in all isn't such a huge offense in itself.

 

 

I thought it was pretty clear,. So, Kim was still seeing Brandi a lot, Kim went vague to keep her options open on how much they were hanging out, Kyle reminded her that she knew every time they saw each other because Brandi always made sure to Tweet and instragram about it.

 

Pretty succinct way of confirming that Brandi was still in her wedge position, still using it the same way and Kim was content to have her there without getting into a fight about Brandi. Good check in about what's going on.

Edited March 2, 2016 by sistermagpie

[Lura]

I was just able to see this episode, and OMG, Andrea Bocelli!!!  I'd say that David Foster and Bravo AND Andrea pulled off a real coup of good will for Yolanda when they got him to agree to a performance!   This was also one of those times when I got fact confused with fiction and felt that the ladies really were having a private audience, so to speak.  I swallowed it hook, line and sinker and felt nothing but good will toward Yolanda!  LOL 

 

As an indication of how separated I was from the pretend world, I could not figure out how David and Yo had become so friendly and were throwing a dinner party together!  How could this be if the two of them are divorcing?!  LOL  I think I'm back to the real world now, but it was nice seeing everyone getting along (well, sort of) and speaking with relative civility!

 

Now that I've interrupted the current discussion, I'll leave quietly with an apology for my enthusiasm running over!

[motorcitymom65]

I thought it was pretty clear,. So, Kim was still seeing Brandi a lot, Kim went vague to keep her options open on how much they were hanging out, Kyle reminded her that she knew every time they saw each other because Brandi always made sure to Tweet and instragram about it.

 

Pretty succinct way of confirming that Brandi was still in her wedge position, still using it the same way and Kim was content to have her there without getting into a fight about Brandi. Good check in about what's going on.

Not to mention, the conversation probably went on for hours. Who knows at what point Brandi was brought up, because as we know they edit these things to move conversations around. I'm sure they talked about all kinds of things, but the Brandi part is interesting to production and of course will make it on the show. 

[catalogrrr]

Showed the Bambi steals baked potato scene to my husband and the following conversation happened:

 

Prof. Catalogrrr (after seeing Kyle trying to get the potato out of Bambi's mouth): At that point, just let the dog have the potato

Me: I imagine she took it out of the dog's mouth so as to avoid having a barfing dog later on.

Prof. Catalogrrr: LET THE DOG HAVE THE POTATO!!

[Rainny]

I just watched this morning, and I wanted to say that I don't blame Kyle for saying that how close she and Kim are depends on Kim's sobriety. 

 

The only other thing I have is that I had the overwhelming urge to shake Eileen at her lunch with Yo and Erika and say spit it out, get to the point. I like her and when she was upset about her "affair" conversation with Lisa VDP, I could see her point, but drop it already, but if she can't, could she at least be a little more succinct about it? I hate that rambling on and on. 

[motorcitymom65]

Erika has one thing in common with Carlton.  

 

Carlton came on the show hating Kyle.  HATING her.  It was pretty evident that Carlton, having seen the show, wanted to be part of the LVP/Yolanda/Brandi team, and no matter what Kyle said or did ("are you Catholic?"), Carlton was going to shred her to pieces.  And it just made Carlton look like a lunatic, because while there were many good reasons to dislike Kyle, none of them were relevant to Carlton.  Carlton would have been much better served biding her time, and letting her dislike happen organically.  

 

Erika seems to have come on the show hating LVP.  Because Yolanda told her to?  Because she watched the show and can see what many of us here see?  Because production promised her a bonus check? Who knows.  But her hatred of LVP seems premeditated, and not based on anything LVP has done TO HER.  "She asked me how long I've known Yolanda" is... um....not a serious offense.  

 

If Erika wanted to play LVP, it would have been smarter to spend longer sidling up to her, and then wait for LVP to make one of her infamous off-camera moves, like trusting Erika enough to ask Erika about Munchausen's.  Then spring the trap.  But it looks a bit like Erika sprung the trap when there just wasn't enough in it.

 

I think everyone on the show knows that LVP is a player.  And they also know that she's too savvy to get caught doing it on camera.  (Exception still being: Season 4, when she was giddy with power, and tried to eviscerate Kyle by attacking Kyle's marriage and her husband's business integrity. She got cocky in that situation, because the viewers hated Kyle so much, and she thought she was immune. And she mostly got away with it.  But the evidence remains on film, and you can't watch that stuff and say LVP doesn't gossip and doesn't play games.  She came VERY close to being caught then, and only Brandi's drunken incompetence kept it from happening.  She's not going to make the same mistake twice.)  

 

So - are they all right, that she's a sniper from the side?  Yep.  But you can't whine about it.  You just have to be smarter than her.  And they're not bringing anything good to the table.  "She asked me about my affair" or "she asked how I knew Yolanda" is not going to change the narrative. 

 

I see a tabloid-in-the-suitcase scenario happening again.  Everyone knows LVP put the tabloids in the suitcase.  Brandi and (if memory serves) Kyle both have said that production was there when it happened, and production confirmed it - including to Kyle, which was why Kyle WAS so upset.  But production can't testify on camera, LVP insisted it wasn't true because she knew it would be her word vs. Brandi's.  Now Lisa Rinna is going to say that LVP prompted her to ask about Munchausen's, LVP is going to deny it, and it's tabloids in the suitcase one more time.

 

The wild card for me is Kyle.  We saw that one snippet of LVP saying to Kyle, "I'm not asking you to lie," and Kyle saying "I'm telling YOU NOT to lie." I suspect that conversation involves Yolanda and Lisa Rinna and what was going on behind the scenes.  I'll be curious to see how it plays out.

 

(And to reiterate: I hate Yolanda, way more than I'm irritated by LVP, so I'm not going to root for any team with Lyme Lady on it.)

 

I don't mind this storyline.  But I IN ADVANCE protest the secondary storyline, that LVP is already pushing hard on twitter, and in her blogs, that this is a replay of the tragic injustice of Season 4, when everyone attacked poor LVP in Puerto Rico FOR NO REASON AND SHE IS STILL SO SCARRED AND WOUNDED TO HER VERY INNOCENT SOUL.  

I am already dreading that this might come down to the usual "Kyle never supports/defends me" deal. The root of their problem in S2 was that Adrienne was making allegations about Lisa that Lisa said weren't true. LVP wanted Kyle to defend her and she didn't. I think that Kyle believed every single word that Adrienne was saying, and she wasn't going to say otherwise. I think this is where we are headed this season as well. Lisar will make accusations against LVP, and LVP will look to Kyle to refute the claims. Will Kyle come out looking like a bad friend if she doesn't back LVP up, even if she thinks Lisar is telling the truth? I don't think so, but I think that per usual, LVP will win in the battle of public opinion.  LVP took Yo's side at the S3 reunion when Yo called Kyle a liar, even though she knew Kyle was telling the truth. LVP never faced any backlash over this. 

 

The thing I like about Kyle and Lisa is that it seems as though they both now understand the flaws in the other one, and have learned that they care enough about each other to just accept the things they don't particularly like. For me this is the most realistic thing about the show. At the S2 reunion, and later in S3, Lisa just couldn't get past the fact that Kyle had told her that sometimes she could be manipulative in her friendships. Lisa said - more than once - that she didn't understand how Kyle could want to be friends with someone that she felt this way about. Kyle tried to explain over and over again that a person can be friends with someone even if they possess traits they don't like. Sometimes, that is friendship. For me, the most real, true, and painful things I've ever heard about myself have come from my friends, and they weren't always pleasant (judgmental, always has to be right, etc).  This is what led me to believe that Lisa hasn't had a lot of female friends. She doesn't get that your girlfriends are the ones to sometimes slap you around and tell you to snap out of it. 

 

I think that eventually Lisa got it. And Kyle did as well. Lisa is manipulative. She does play Chess. Kyle does like to be Switzerland. She does sometimes sit mum and could probably jump in and take up for Lisa more than she sometimes has. I hate the idea that they will revisit the things that got in the way of their friendship before, when it seems like they had reached a point of acceptance. 

[zoeysmom]

I'm curious, was that the focus of that meeting? I didn't think it was. Where they supposed to be having some deep resolution talk or was it supposed to be what I thought it looked to be which was 1) a tentative visit to build from the fun they had together recently 2) A segment to be filmed for Bravo which I expect isn't the time to really get into it hence Kim's comment and 3)a lead into other guest appearances from housewives past.

 

It did not seem to me that that arranged meeting was meant to be anything other than a brief touching base on their issues as well as a welcome visit with each other after not seeing or talking to each other for so long and not some lets get right down to the meat and potatoes theraputic, solve it all talk. IMO, bringing up Brandi was just heavy handed, risky and unnecessary in that instant.

 

Also the way she brought up Brandi, it wasn't even with any clarity. It was just some nonsense about twitter and pictures and pretty much expressing her disapproval of Brandi displaying her friendship with Kim so blatantly which all in all isn't such a huge offense in itself. Now, if Brandi's name would have come up in a way where  Kyle is expressing that she's still hesitate and put off by their whole friendship and it affects her ability to be close to her sister then that's one thing but that whole high school, "who does that" approach? Come on. And it didn't really go anywhere either. Kyle just wanted to let it be known she's not happy with Kim over it. (which No Duh does it really need to be said). Speaking on it that way is just more damaging than not. Just leave that sorta stuff for the group therapy they so definitely need.

Kim and Kyle had just seen each other privately the night before.  So it was a filming opportunity and Kyle expressed quite clearly her issues with Brandi.

 

If Kim doesn't like the way Kyle speaks to her she could continue to not speak to her and be unemployed.  It is a pretty simple formula.

[MatildaMoody]

Shhhhh - don't tell anyone that Eileen and Vince had an affair.  Apparently it's a secret.  The running theme with Yolanda seems to be how you must prove your friendship to her (again and again) - remember how pissed off she was in an earlier season when LisaV couldn't make it to her painting party - the Housewives were supposed to paint something for Gigi to take with her when she moved out.  LisaV was, I think, pretty involved with the the setting up of a new restaurant/bar - therefore probably incredibly busy!  Yolanda was also incredibly upset that Lisa hardly (never?) visited her when she was first ill with Lyme - however in light of what Lisa was saying tonight about not being close to Yolanda - Mohamed yes, but not Yolanda - in does kind of explain LisaV's bedside absence - if there's no real closeness, you are not going to dance attendance on anyone .

 

This is actually one of Yolanda's notorious history re-writes. When Yo first said she had been bedridden with Lyme Disease, she stated in her blog that Lisa V. and Brandi had both come to visit her and were the only ones to do so in the off season. That was when she was part of the "Dream Team". Later, it became, Brandi was the only one to care enough to visit. For a while she went back and forth about whether or not Lisa visited her but then had to admit that Lisa had. Once the Dream Team was no more, LisaV went back to being just a Hollywood friend. I think these inconsistencies is why we had that early episode this season of Lisa V. telling Kyle that she had sent texts to Yo several times trying to arrange a visit and Yo kept saying she wasn't up to it. Because if Lisa V. had visited, her Yo couldn't play the "she hasn't supported me in my journey" card anymore. 

[Lura]

Erika's blog is up.  What a hypocrite.

 

She writes:  The way I see it: Everything you hear is confidential unless someone tells you otherwise. It’s common sense.

 

But it was ok for you to go back to Yo about the BBQ....

 

Maybe so, but this week my feelings turned around. At Erika's house, Erika professed having trouble trusting women.  Kathryn was quick to assure Erika that she wasn't that way, that she didn't tattle.  So what does Kathryn do?  She no sooner enters the restaurant before she blabs where everyone could hear it that she'd been to Erika's house and what Erika said about LisaV.  As Erika would say later, she was hurt and angry.  Other HWs expressed their negative opinions as well.

 

This was Kathryn's first real test at being a friend, and in my judgment, she failed miserably.  Had I been Erika, I'd have felt the same way.

 

What does Kathryn say in defense?  "Well, then don't say anything then because as soon as you do, it's not a secret anymore."  (Paraphrasing)

 

 Are you kidding me, Kathryn?  Does that mean that everyone should make you sign a confidentiality statement in order to make a comment to you and not have it passed along???

 

If that's a measure of Kathryn's view of what friendship means, kindly keep me out of your circle of so-called "friends," Kathryn!  Also, IIRC, Erika said her comment directly to Lisa in private, unlike Kathryn, who talked at the table in front of everyone.  Isn't that the way it went?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Lura

[tvfanatic13]

I could have sworn that Kyle ate the potato after it was in Bambi's mouth. I hope that I was wrong.

 

Boring episode.

[nexxie]

Since LVP's house seems to be filmed the most, I just need to get this out of my system.  

It looks like a over done filled with faux and cheaply made junk little dept. store.   The name of your home on the doors? The doormats?

   I would expect someone waiting to spray me with cheap perfume upon entering , along with the coupon of the day.

The house is just another character in Lisa's Look-At-Me Show.

[ottergirl]

I am already dreading that this might come down to the usual "Kyle never supports/defends me" deal. The root of their problem in S2 was that Adrienne was making allegations about Lisa that Lisa said weren't true. LVP wanted Kyle to defend her and she didn't. I think that Kyle believed every single word that Adrienne was saying, and she wasn't going to say otherwise. I think this is where we are headed this season as well. Lisar will make accusations against LVP, and LVP will look to Kyle to refute the claims. Will Kyle come out looking like a bad friend if she doesn't back LVP up, even if she thinks Lisar is telling the truth? I don't think so, but I think that per usual, LVP will win in the battle of public opinion.  LVP took Yo's side at the S3 reunion when Yo called Kyle a liar, even though she knew Kyle was telling the truth. LVP never faced any backlash over this. 

 

.....

 

I think that eventually Lisa got it. And Kyle did as well. Lisa is manipulative. She does play Chess. Kyle does like to be Switzerland. She does sometimes sit mum and could probably jump in and take up for Lisa more than she sometimes has. I hate the idea that they will revisit the things that got in the way of their friendship before, when it seems like they had reached a point of acceptance. 

 

Totally agree, and well said.

 

When Yolanda and Brandi attack LVP and Kyle for being "on again, off again," I think - welcome to real life, especially real life in housewives land.  These two women had to learn how to not only navigate their flaws with each other, but how to navigate the fact that they each are getting paid to dissect those flaws and point them out on camera.  Kyle, in particular, has to walk a very fine line between "supporting" LVP (to keep the friendship intact) and being "real" with production (to keep her job intact).  

 

The core of the problem, to me, is that what LVP really wants is complete and total allegiance - unquestioning loyalty to all her actions.  It's truly what she thinks friendship is, and she genuinely gets upset that Kyle won't give her that.  I think that tension will always be there, and will always hold them back.

 

But beneath that tension, there is genuine affection and regard.  And I do like watching them try to keep the friendship intact, against the odds of the show and their own character flaws.