MSNBC: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Vaulted)

[jjj]

3 hours ago, NextIteration said:

Here's the clip of Malcolm Nance from A.M. Joy.  He lost it on Friday night as well - but I can't remember which show it was on, Rachel, Chris H or Chris M's.

eta:  It was Saturday morning on A.M. Joy - I think I was confused because Joy subbed in for Chris H on Friday night.  Heidi Harris was as vile as the idiot tRump supporter this morning.

Thanks so much for the links -- indeed, thank goodness for Malcolm Nance. 

3 hours ago, Mumbles said:

Mr. Khan appeared on MTP today and I found him very affecting.

I agree -- he is being very dignified in a situation that must be so trying for his family.  I was glad to hear that he is getting so much support and even flowers.  One of the hardest things is to think a child (even adult child) who died has been forgotten, and while it is so difficult to relive the pain of the loss, there is a compensation in knowing that their son is so well remembered with gratitude and admiration. 

[xaxat]

On 7/30/2016 at 8:33 PM, car54 said:

Katy Tur has not been around since Trump told her to be quiet--I wonder if she took some days off.

It would be totally understandable. On one of the Road Warrior segments she talked about the Secret Service escorting her to her car for her protection after being singled out by Trump earlier this year.

She has not had anything remotely resembling a typical campaign beat.

[Medicine Crow]

25 minutes ago, xaxat said:

It would be totally understandable. On one of the Road Warrior segments she talked about the Secret Service escorting her to her car for her protection after being singled out by Trump earlier this year.

She has not had anything remotely resembling a typical campaign beat.

I saw her being interviewed by a new woman I don't know today.

[Padma]

I have to admit Chuck Todd and his version of MTP is winning me over. I thought today was a very strong show--good panel, wonderful interview with Mr. Khan, a live response-tweet from Trump during the broadcast ("He (Khan) viciously attacked me at the convention--don't I have the right to respond?"), good calm discussion and he asked some very good  questions of Julian Assange and Paul Manafort, two men I find scary in somewhat similar ways., given their power and narrow points of view about the moral issues of using it. Todd asked good questions, particularly of Assange re: being used by Russia to influence U.S. politics. . 

I appreciated everything David Brooks said on MTP today and also was glad that someone--maybe Brooks--pointed out how insincere Manafort/Trump sounded in their feelings toward Captain Khan and his family.  Also interesting in how Castellanos thought "character = strength" as a way of arguing that Trump's temperament may lack empathy and understanding of others, but he has the "character" the country needs.   Todd kept everyone so chill, despite the dire topics--I liked that. And the electoral college map and Trump's superPACs plan to only focus on four states (Fl, PA, NC and Ohio--apparently giving up the rest of the "Rust Belt"? and Nevada? Az? Colorado? NH? maybe GA and definitely VA)--wow, that was the best thing I've heard in days.

[RealityCowgirl]

7 hours ago, xaxat said:

It would be totally understandable. On one of the Road Warrior segments she talked about the Secret Service escorting her to her car for her protection after being singled out by Trump earlier this year.

She has not had anything remotely resembling a typical campaign beat.

Needing Secret Service protection FROM a presidential candidate (and, I presume, his thugs). That definitely is new.

Edited August 1, 2016 by RealityCowgirl

[jjj]

First, very glad to see Chris Jansing still anchoring the mid-day hour (I was not sure if that were just a convention assignment for her). 

In Jansing's hour, she played clips from the Khans' appearance on "Morning Joe," and was I continued to be concerned about their well-being -- this has to be so grueling to keep talking about.  But the background concern I had about their safety is now being discussed in the press, and I really hope they are getting good advice for their own well-being and safety beyond the news cycle:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/khizr-khan-smeared_us_579f5c3ae4b0e2e15eb65db1
 (the "Editor's Note" at the end is remarkable)

[Grommet]

Chris Jansing started on my local news. I've enjoyed watching her do so well.

Kudos to the 6:30 guy for trying to get the Trumpbot to answer his question. She was like a bitchy Stepford wife. I had to quickly change the channel.

Love that editor's note.

[maraleia]

5 hours ago, jjj said:

First, very glad to see Chris Jansing still anchoring the mid-day hour (I was not sure if that were just a convention assignment for her). 

In Jansing's hour, she played clips from the Khans' appearance on "Morning Joe," and was I continued to be concerned about their well-being -- this has to be so grueling to keep talking about.  But the background concern I had about their safety is now being discussed in the press, and I really hope they are getting good advice for their own well-being and safety beyond the news cycle:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/khizr-khan-smeared_us_579f5c3ae4b0e2e15eb65db1
 (the "Editor's Note" at the end is remarkable)

Huff Post has been doing that editors note at the end of any article about Donnie for months.

[jjj]

I hardly ever get to see Morning Joe, but did watch the discussion this morning. Morning Joe had several great long segments about the mental stability of Donald Trump today, apparently stimulated by a column asking this question by Eugene Robinson (and of course Trump's ongoing skids into political traffic).  The second hour in particular was a real head shaker, with questions of "Isn't there someone who can take his phone away?" (several times) and "Is he really crazy?" discussed at length.  They added Eugene Robinson, Chris Jansing, and three others who were quite earnest about pursuing this.  Eugene Robinson at one point said (regarding Trump's false claims, by far, that he had raised record amounts of money) "How can he say things that are so demonstrably untrue?"  ETA: The panelists actually made good points -- that Trump's main problem is that he is very isolated, that he is not a manager, but a boss/decision-maker who makes decisions on the fly, that "even if he loses, he will claim he won," because in his mind, that will be true. And they were all baffled by Trump's decision to go after fire marshals as the enemy of his rallies. 

Also, hurrah, Chris Jansing on *three* shows today, hosting an hour of "Way Too Early," a lot of time on Morning Joe, and now anchoring an hour of the news cycle.  Just grilled a Trump surrogate (with no effect, of course, he gave his talking points), but she kept trying to bring him back to the topics on her list.

ETA:  link to the Robinson Op-Ed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-donald-trump-just-plain-crazy/2016/08/01/cd171e86-581d-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

Edited August 2, 2016 by jjj

[Padma]

I caught part of that MJ and it was pretty stunning. They weren't taking cheap shots. Trump's' mental health was genuinely concerning to them--not exactly the kind of discussion you want when you're running for president. Scarborough saying "We've been friends for ten years and I've never seen him act like this in any way" is something people should pay attention to. It's possible the stress of campaigning, especially for a man with his ego issues, is genuinely too much for him mentally.

Gene is always so pleasant and calm on the show that it's interesting to see how much harder he goes after Trump in print. And he really started a firestorm--beginning on MJ and then into a big article on Yahoo (I won't link due to rules), starting with Gene's article and then going on to about ten other "big name writers" and speakers who are saying the same thing.

That said, I'm used to seeing these kinds of criticisms made by print media. Seeing it as a serious and sustained topic on a morning talk show? That was really something new.  

[jjj]

8 minutes ago, Padma said:

I caught part of that MJ and it was pretty stunning. They weren't taking cheap shots. Trump's' mental health was genuinely concerning to them--not exactly the kind of discussion you want when you're running for president. Scarborough saying "We've been friends for ten years and I've never seen him act like this in any way" is something people should pay attention to. It's possible the stress of campaigning, especially for a man with his ego issues, is genuinely too much for him mentally.

Gene is always so pleasant and calm on the show that it's interesting to see how much harder he goes after Trump in print. And he really started a firestorm--beginning on MJ and then into a big article on Yahoo (I won't link due to rules), ...

That said, I'm used to seeing these kinds of criticisms made by print media. Seeing it as a serious and sustained topic on a morning talk show? That was really something new.  

Glad to hear your perspective, because it seemed like an unusual conversation to me, but the show comes on too early (3:00 AM) for me to see it very often.  Today did seem to be a deeper dive into the issue, with some real concern, as you noted.  Concern for Trump, concern for the party, concern for the country. 

Did not know there was a prohibition on linking -- will look at the rules to understand that.  Sorry if my link to the Op-Ed is inappropriate, will remove if it violates the rules. 

[Padma]

18 minutes ago, Padma said:

I caught part of that MJ and it was pretty stunning. They weren't taking cheap shots. Trump's' mental health was genuinely concerning to them--not exactly the kind of discussion you want when you're running for president. Scarborough saying "We've been friends for ten years and I've never seen him act like this in any way" is something people should pay attention to. It's possible the stress of campaigning, especially for a man with his ego issues, is genuinely too much for him mentally.

Gene is always so pleasant and calm on the show that it's interesting to see how much harder he goes after Trump in print. And he really started a firestorm--beginning on MJ and then into a big article on Yahoo (I won't link due to rules), starting with Gene's article and then going on to about ten other "big name writers" and speakers who are saying the same thing.

That said, I'm used to seeing these kinds of criticisms made by print media. Seeing it as a serious and sustained topic on a morning talk show? That was really something new.  

I think your link would be okay because it was Gene's article that their discussion was sparked by and focused on --and he was right there on the show, part of the discussion. The Yahoo one was more a general overview of what a lot of people--unrelated to MJ except for Robinson--are saying about the same thing. I think it would be against the rules because its not about what we actually saw on the show.

Usually when I'm up at the awful MJ hour (PST) I wish there was a different show on. This morning I actually wish I could have seen the whole thing or watched a rerun. Not sure if Mika's absence--and the generally unobjectionable panel--also made a difference. I think Trump may mean what he said about his MJ boycott though because so far he's had zero response to their conversation on Twitter--very unusual.  I notice he tweeted about "New Day" yesterday at 4:30 a.m. so he may be having a hard time keeping up with all of his critics.

[Moose135]

56 minutes ago, jjj said:

Did not know there was a prohibition on linking -- will look at the rules to understand that.  Sorry if my link to the Op-Ed is inappropriate, will remove if it violates the rules. 

Nothing wrong with linking to an article, but it should be related to the TV coverage, not just a political piece.  The Mods have made it clear that we should refrain from political discussions on PTV.

[WendyCR72]

What @Moose135 said so well. Stay within the frame work of an aired program on the channel if there must be political references. If a link pertains to a show, it's fine. If not, please don't link. Thanks!

[Grommet]

I'm on the east coast so could watch MJ if the hosts didn't annoy me so much. And too many commercial breaks! But I love Euge (as Keith Olbermann refers to him) and the panel is often good. Maybe I'll start settingthe DVR and zip through it before work. 

[jjj]

If I have a long drive, I download the audio podcast of Morning Joe, which is usually worth listening to.  And many segments are on the MSNBC site, but there are only so many hours in the day! 

I have to say I always appreciate it when posters draw our attention to guests or segments that are worth the time to hunt down.  I dip in and out of MSNBC all day (hurrah for iPods and Xfinity access), but no one can catch it all!   

Edited August 3, 2016 by jjj

[Ohwell]

I like hearing what Eugene has to say, but he has one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard so it's distracting  listening to him.

[Grommet]

Yes, Eugene has a voice for print journalism but it doesn't bother me coz I love him.

I liked the psychologist (? Not sure of his title) on LOD last night pointing out that Trump has several personality disorders but is not mentally ill. Saying he's insane is an insult to the truly ill.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Grommet
Stupid kindle keyboard, argh!

[represent]

48 minutes ago, Grommet said:

Yes, Eugene has a voice for print journalism but it doesn't bother me coz I love him.

I liked the psychologist (? Not sure of his title) on LOD last night pointing out that Trump has several personality disorders but is not mentally ill. Saying he's insane is an insult to the truly ill.

It was "The Last Word" with Lawrence O'Donnell.

Yeah, because I'm not sure there are any therapies/medications that could help his personality disorders. Meanwhile there are several methods for treating a number of mental illnesses which allow for a very productive life.

So I'm thinking his personality disorders are far worse than any mentally ill diagnosis.

He's afflicted with the conditions they cover on Law and Order SVU, LOL, sorry, it really isn't funny.  I really laughing because this is all beyond belief. But it's happening.  Yeah, when the psychologist on staff tells Olivia Benson and her crew that nothing can be done to fix said criminal, because it's a personality defect.

Edited August 3, 2016 by represent

[stormy]

On MTP Daily today, Chuck and his panel commiserated why the Trump children don't intervene like they've done

several times before.

So what if they do?  If, God forbid, he became president, are they going to be intervening and running the country?

[jjj]

I did see a clip of Ivanka womanspaining DT on the Chris Jansing hour on MSNBC today; Ivanka (on a Fox program) was walking back the DT statement on "find a new job or career" if sexually harassed.  ("Harrassment = Bad", she said.)   Chris followed up with that lawyer who represented a woman against DT a decade or two ago.  But you are right, we are not electing the Trump progeny to keep saying "what he REALLY meant was..."

9 minutes ago, stormy said:

On MTP Daily today, Chuck and his panel commiserated why the Trump children don't intervene like they've done

several times before.

So what if they do?  If, God forbid, he became president, are they going to be intervening and running the country?

[xaxat]

I hope Katy Tur writes a book about the Trump campaign. I'm not usually a fan of them (even popular ones like Game Change), but it sounds like she has a front seat for what might be the biggest shitshow in election history.

[jjj]

1 hour ago, xaxat said:

I hope Katy Tur writes a book about the Trump campaign. I'm not usually a fan of them (even popular ones like Game Change), but it sounds like she has a front seat for what might be the biggest shitshow in election history.

Yes, and I was glad to see her on the air for the past two days, still on the Trump campaign.  Wow, was the DNC just a week ago?  It seems longer. 

[maraleia]

What I love is people on this network are finally catching on to how horrible Trump is and from what I see via my TV is he has a combination of ADHD, mania and early onset Alzheimer's.

I'll echo xaxat's comment that I want Katy Tur to write a book about this campaign because it should be a doozy.

[Medicine Crow]

I've got to give her credit!!!  I don't know too many women who could be on the receiving end of Trump's bombast & keep going back for more.  Her backbone is made of steel!!!

[Padma]

I wish I could appreciate what Katie Tur is doing in covering Trump. I've seen him show such disrespect to her and she definitely keeps her cool.  However, cool or not, her reporting remains so bad!  Maybe I've missed some actual journalism on her part, but usually when I see her she's just summarizing what they're saying/thinking/doing on that day in TrumpWorld. 

That's a big zero to me, so, I just can't be impressed. (I'm not sure why he hates her so much when she rarely delves critically into anything related to him. Maybe its the same reason he hates CNN, because occasionally something negative slips through and anything that isn't 100% pro-Trump 24/7 offends him greatly. I guess if it's not like Hannity or O'Reilly, it's completely offensive. Otherwise, I don't get it.)

[Decoda]

Katie Tur has the Trump campaign coverage plus the whole banging Keith Olbermann for 4 years "storyline". She could get a book published but I have a feeling Keith O is by some contract "off limits. But ya, she is an awful reporter. It always feels like she was hired for her enormous boobs. Sadly.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Decoda
typos

[nowandlater]

3 hours ago, Decoda said:

Katie Tur has the Trump campaign coverage plus the whole banging Keith Olbermann for 4 years "storyline". She could get a book published but I have a feeling Keith O is by some contract "off limits. But ya, she is an awful reporter. It always feels like she was hired for her enormous boobs. Sadly.

I don't get exposed to Katy Tur that much since I primarily watch MSNBC's primetime lineup, but isn't she the one who has been challenging Trump in press conferences (which is why he dislikes her)? I don't follow her on Twitter, but I sometimes see her exclusive Trump campaign news nuggets retweeted.

Anyways, I just realized that not only did I grow up in L.A. watching sportscaster Keith Olbermann on KCBS, but I also watched Tur's dad on the same channel as well.

I'm sure most of you know the story. But for those who don't, Katy's dad, Bob Tur, was a legendary helicopter pilot/reporter in L.A. in the 90s on KCBS. Tur covered the beginning of the L.A. Riots, when a white motorist was being beaten by black gang members. He was also the first pilot to spot O.J. Simpson's white Bronco and his exclusive footage aired throughout the nation on CBS.

Then, in the past few, years, Bob Tur became a woman, and he's now Zoey Tur.

If you watched the recent ESPN documentary O.J.: Made in America, she's prominently featured.

Edited August 4, 2016 by nowandlater

[jjj]

9 hours ago, nowandlater said:

I don't get exposed to Katy Tur that much since I primarily watch MSNBC's primetime lineup, but isn't she the one who has been challenging Trump in press conferences (which is why he dislikes her)? I don't follow her on Twitter, but I sometimes see her exclusive Trump campaign news nuggets retweeted.

Anyways, I just realized that not only did I grow up in L.A. watching sportscaster Keith Olbermann on KCBS, but I also watched Tur's dad on the same channel as well.

I'm sure most of you know the story. But for those who don't, Katy's dad, Bob Tur, was a legendary helicopter pilot/reporter in L.A. in the 90s on KCBS. [snip]

Thanks for this background -- I did not know any of it!  And yes, Katie Tur has asked questions that Trump finds rude, and has repeated the questions to try to get answers, so she is doing fine in my book.  I do not look to the on-the-road reporters for commentary, but for reporting of what is happening out there -- there are plenty at MSNBC who have time to opine at length.

Andrea Mitchell had Bill Kristol on her show today -- initially, I rolled my eyes and did not pay attention, but it actually was a terrific interview.  He was not there with talking points, but engaged in a real conversation about the reasons that Trump would be a terrible choice for President, and said things like "why is the Washington Post reporting on ways to 'intervene' in the campaign?"  They should just come out and say he should not be the choice.  (I think the WA Post is actually doing that.)  His Twitter account, which I looked at after the interview, certainly is anti-Trump. 

[Padma]

18 hours ago, stormy said:

On MTP Daily today, Chuck and his panel commiserated why the Trump children don't intervene like they've done

several times before.

So what if they do?  If, God forbid, he became president, are they going to be intervening and running the country?

Yes, this is kind of a strangely accepted narrative now--Trump is going to inevitably screw up or make the wrong choice, but eventually his kids may get him to turn it around (Todd gave the example of Lewandowski's "firing", the Pence choice as VP and now, hopefully, getting him to stop attacking people--all thanks to his kids, "the few people he listens to").

Tell me again, America, why we want a President whose own judgment is terrible, but who at least has three children (who have zero experience in government or public policy) who will be able to, hopefully, save him from his worst instincts in running the country?  A president whose decisions you hope are being heavily influenced by his children, who all seem to have more sense than he does (esp. Ivanka).

How is this not some surrogate talking point?  It just highlights (1) inexperience, (2) a problem with decision-making and impulse control and (3) judgment issues.  To his credit, if the situation were reversed, Trump would be all over it with ridicule.

[Medicine Crow]

Not to mention that his two sons LOVE killing endangered species.  WTF???

[jjj]

Brian Williams just came on the air, which makes me think something bad is going on?  Or is he anchoring in order to host the President's new conference.  He made it clear that Chuck Todd would be taking over the anchoring exactly at 5:00 (with Chuck Todd nodding agreement in the split screen), so it sounds like Chuck Todd was not willing to yield his air time to Brian. 

Edited August 4, 2016 by jjj

[alias1]

3 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

Not to mention that his two sons LOVE killing endangered species.  WTF???

That killing of the exotic animals is utterly disgusting.  I had actually forgotten about it until Lawrence brought it up again.  I hope he keeps bringing it up so we can remember what spoiled brats they all are.  They shouldn't be in a position to advise anyone about anything. 

[magdalene]

2 hours ago, SierraMist said:

That killing of the exotic animals is utterly disgusting.  I had actually forgotten about it until Lawrence brought it up again.  I hope he keeps bringing it up so we can remember what spoiled brats they all are.  They shouldn't be in a position to advise anyone about anything. 

Did Lawrence speak about this before?  The only one who I have heard going after those two douche bags over their horrific hunting habits is Bill Maher.  Isn't that vapid Barbie aka Ivanka a hunter too?  I am surprised Lawrence doesn't go after her for various things.

[annzeepark914]

I just read in the paper yesterday that the two sons were unavailable for questions (probably to explain dad's latest crazy statements) because they were off on a hunting trip.  That made me cringe.  Poor animals.  Maybe one or two of the hunted animals will go after the boys!

[xaxat]

Yesterday Katy was covering a Trump rally. She talked about his claim of seeing a tape of cash being loaded onto a plane to be sent to Iran.

Katy: "This appears to be another case of Donald Trump making. . . "

Me: "Please, please please say "making shit up"!"

Katy: "unsubstantiated claims."

I knew it wasn't going to happen, but one can hope.

[Padma]

Lol.   The strange thing is, this time I think Trump is actually telling the truth. I don't think there's a chance in the world that he looked at that grainy footage from Geneva on Tuesday night and made up the whole detailed thing about the plane flying down--expertly photographed with great clarity and quality--then watched the cash payments (which really happened) being taken off.

I saw both rallies on MSNBC, one Wed, one Thurs. He was so proud to tell them that the film was secret (although then he -did- ask if they'd seen it, so maybe he IS just losing his mind.).  He lies easily, it's true, but I've never seen him add those kinds of details or embellish something in that way (four people led off plane in grainy footage v. pallets of money taken off plane that was actually expertly photographed landing).  I think he saw a real video from somewhere. If it wasn't a security briefing (seems not), then maybe through Manafort's connections. I wish the press wasn't giving up on it.  He's only saying it was Geneva, imo, because that's a lie that covers up the truth, not the other way around.

On MJ this a.m. Mika (minus Joe) was incredibly anti-Trump. Here's an article about it. The amazing thing about the article is that its in the newspaper that Ivanka's husband publishes: http://observer.com/2016/08/minus-joe-morning-mika-launches-scathing-attack-on-donald-trump/ 

[nowandlater]

[jjj]

13 minutes ago, Padma said:

On MJ this a.m. Mika (minus Joe) was incredibly anti-Trump. Here's an article about it. The amazing thing about the article is that its in the newspaper that Ivanka's husband publishes: http://observer.com/2016/08/minus-joe-morning-mika-launches-scathing-attack-on-donald-trump/ 

Yes, Joe has been very anti-Trump all by himself, mainly because he thinks Trump is destroying his party.  Thanks for the article link -- and I had saved Thursday's podcast of MJ, so now will be sure to listen to it. 

[khyber]

Will the regular MSNBC shows be disrupted for the Olympics?

[jjj]

1 hour ago, khyber said:

Will the regular MSNBC shows be disrupted for the Olympics?

Yes, it looks like the daytime new shows will be pre-empted on MSNBC for the next two weeks from noon-5:00 PM Eastern Time every day (one or two days until 6:00 PM ET).  So hopefully the evening shows and Morning Joe will be in place, although this might be a vacation week for some hosts?  They need some break before the sprint from Labor Day to Election Day!  Here is the full television schedule for Olympics coverage:  http://deadline.com/2016/08/olympics-2016-tv-schedule-dates-upcoming-events-1201798870/ 

[ratgirlagogo]

On 8/6/2016 at 4:22 PM, khyber said:

Will the regular MSNBC shows be disrupted for the Olympics?

YES.  Praise the television gods that NBC's need to make the most of its ridiculous overspending on Olympics coverage gives us all a goddamned break from their ludicrous election coverage.

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, ratgirlagogo said:

YES.  Praise the television gods that NBC's need to make the most of its ridiculous overspending on Olympics coverage gives us all a goddamned break from their ludicrous election coverage.

The break is most welcome by yours truly! (You're all great! Really! Nine times out of ten.  :-)  But the less political stuff to steer away from, the better for me! And it's all about me!)

[Padma]

Sorry, Wendy, but I think there's some good news for us MSNBC junkies.  Last night I accidentally caught Last Word and then, sure enough, after it came Chris (he was in rare form, shouting down an interesting Republican--calm and reflective--who had endorsed Hillary at the convention and wanted to critique Trump's economic speech. No such luck with Matthews, who kept cutting him off, yelling about how "I like SOME of the economic nationalism myself! Trump's got a point!"  As the man began to respond (wish I'd turned in in time to catch his name, he seemed like someone with things to say), Chris jumped in again, yelling, "Do you like her? Do you LIKE Hillary?"

"Yes, I do," said the guest. "I like her very much." 

This stunned Matthews. "You do? Then you're the only Republican who does! They may not like Trump but they hate Hillary!" (I'm paraphrasing here).   Rep. guy was unfazed by being shouted at and shouted down. "I think you'd be surprised then because there are a lot of Republicans who like her."

Chris made me think he's panicking, going nuts, that this election might not be a horserace. And, honestly, of all the MSNBC hosts, I think he's the one Trump resonates with the most. When he hears "America First" and "working guys" and "don't let other countries push us around" and "we've got to bring jobs back for steel and coal" Trump's speaking to some deep-rooted part of his soul. He may say the liberal-speak with Hillary at times, but if Trump could stay on an economic message, I think Chris Matthews could ignore the rest and get on board. (Plus, they share the same rude, disrespectful style of talking to people! He probably likes that, too. Macho!)

[car54]

I think Andrea Mitchell and Brian Williams also dislike Hillary --but Andrea at least tries to be fair when she is covering the election.     I've only seen her slip a couple of times and show her real feelings.  I never listen to Brian so I'm not sure if he's fair or not.

I've read that Chris does not like that Hillary did nothing to support his wife's run for congress.  I think since she lost he's really been more out of control than ever.

[jjj]

Chris Hayes's show this evening is terrific -- (former Michigan Governor) Jennifer Granholm saying WTF about the "Second Amendment" comments and having a Marian-the-Librarian moment with her dark horn-rimmed glasses (which look great, of course), a segment on the analysis of the Trump tweets, saying the "Android" or "iPhone" marker on tweets tells us whether DT sent them, of his staff (he apparently is Android); a lovely segment with Mr. Khan, who continues to display utter dignity -- and who also let slip that he had been a friend of Lee Atwater (Chris's eyebrows went very high).  And a segment on "will he debate"? and the potential roadblocks of conditions.  "Fair" conditions, and "fair moderators.  And the new Trump Gold Card ($35 for a card that does nothing but impress people.  Oh, you are not impressed?  Sorry, no refunds.)

[Grommet]

Lawrence O'Donnell referring to Trump as "the most abjectly ignorant person to run for president" reminded me of why he's been my tv boyfriend for over 20 years!

I need to start recording All In. I love Chris Hayes.

[jjj]

12 minutes ago, Grommet said:

Lawrence O'Donnell referring to Trump as "the most abjectly ignorant person to run for president" reminded me of why he's been my tv boyfriend for over 20 years!

I need to start recording All In. I love Chris Hayes.

I loved that quote from LO'D from last night! I was trying to recreate it later! Thank you!

[Grommet]

I wrote it down because I loved it so much.

[Padma]

3 hours ago, jjj said:

Chris Hayes's show this evening is terrific -- (former Michigan Governor) Jennifer Granholm saying WTF about the "Second Amendment" comments and having a Marian-the-Librarian moment with her dark horn-rimmed glasses (which look great, of course), a segment on the analysis of the Trump tweets, saying the "Android" or "iPhone" marker on tweets tells us whether DT sent them, of his staff (he apparently is Android); a lovely segment with Mr. Khan, who continues to display utter dignity -- and who also let slip that he had been a friend of Lee Atwater (Chris's eyebrows went very high).  And a segment on "will he debate"? and the potential roadblocks of conditions.  "Fair" conditions, and "fair moderators.  And the new Trump Gold Card ($35 for a card that does nothing but impress people.  Oh, you are not impressed?  Sorry, no refunds.)

lol, and I couldn't agree more. Every segment of All In today was so great. I have to stay up to record it at midnight (...no, I don't).  Chris H was also the only one I've seen who played the line that followed Trump's comment about the Second Amendment people being able to take "action". That line--which Tapper and Todd cut--makes it sound even worse.  Loved seeing Mr. Khan of course, and how Chris refused to repeat any of the scurrilous smears from Breitbart, Stone, etc. while giving him the chance to respond to them.  (Imagine how vindictive a Trump administration could be with the powers of the presidency? They already do so much with relatively so little.)

Great to raise the debate and show the $35 "Gold Card" compared with the $1-$5 "woman card". Actually the iphone/Android explanation makes such good sense in explaining Trump's twitter feed. I assumed he did both--which surprised me, as the campaign stop ones and thank yous would probably bore him. I know his office has no computer so that he only does the "personal touch" tweets on his Android was very insightful in explaining the duality there!  One great thing after another! Sounds like LOD shouldn't be missed either. 

Unlike the disaster that now is permanently "Hardball". Today Chris M, who seems to have a bad case of ADHD, decided to grill his reporter/guests (including Capehart) on "Will you vote for Trump?" So aggressively confronted, the TIME reporter (a young woman) said, astonished, "For Trump? No." 

CM, aggressive: "How long have you felt like that?"

TIME reporter: "Probably since I saw him being a clown on The Apprentice." 

CM: "So you've been biased from the beginning. He never had a chance."   He wrapped up the segment, "I can ask whatever I want to here, and so I just did."  What is wrong with him?  (I think they missed clues that he wanted to tell them why he would have voted for Trump and still might. He seemed so offended by the "no" answers--as if its anyone's business.)

After "Hardball", Hayes is a palate cleanser. And polite. And prepared. And smart. I hope he wins another Emmy so MSNBC takes more notice.