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S11.E02: The Price You Pay


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Kourtney tries to establish a new status quo with Scott, but the rest of the family fear she'll give in to him too easily. Meanwhile, a business trip to Australia has Khloe thinking twice about how much she does for her sisters; and Kris braces for returning houseguests Kim and Kanye.

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I laughed out loud at no one wanting to live with Kim. That was funny. Also, Kim's whole "I wish she'd [Kourtney] move on from him [scott] I'm over him" Well, Kim, not about you. But hey, whatever.

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Scott looked really bedraggled in his scene with Kris. He is in the struggle of his life but Kourtney is right about his priorities. He seems to be more concerned about control issues verses his kids' needs. It Really is very sad for all involved. I truly hope he can beat his addiction issues.

Otherwise the theme tonight seemed to be about food. It felt like someone was eating in most every scene. That and what was with Khloe's trash mouth? Seemed like the cuss words were flying constantly. I'm not a prude but geez a little class goes a long way.

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I don't think Scott was straight when he was talking to Kris, he definitely was slurring his words. I'm glad to hear Kourtney cutting him off.

 

Why are we getting so much Malika? If I want to see her, I'll watch dash dolls. Which I don't. 

 

So Kim just assumes it's OK to move in with somebody for 6 months, whether they want you there or not. Rent a house, or better yet, stay in the house you & Kanye bought & never lived in.

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Scott did physically look really bad in his scenes. 

 

He mentioned leaving for Florida that day, that must have been his trip where he was partying with teens and missed Penelope's birthday. 

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Khloe with her new porno lips, doing shots with drag queens, toasting "up the bum, no babies!"? There's no way that trip was really to promote children's clothing being sold in a discount department store.

Executive producers Kris and Kim should hire a continuity person solely for the fillers in their faces.

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I don't know if it's fake but if it isn't Scott is such a loser. Always making up excuses for his behaviour. I used to think he's funny but now I just want to never see him on the screen again.

Addicts make up excuses for their behavior. In their mind it's justifying what they did or what they are about to do. :-/

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I've always found Khloe to be overly crass, and therefore thoroughly unattractive and classless, but tonight seemed to take it to another level. I don't think there was a single scene where she either wasn't cursing or talking about....ugh, I can't even. This girl has an unnatural obsession with one's reproductive anatomy. And tonight she looked just like that Alex guy who is her father. It was jarring.

Oh, and Kylie is a brat and a half. That is all.

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I've always found Khloe to be overly crass, and therefore thoroughly unattractive and classless, but tonight seemed to take it to another level. I don't think there was a single scene where she either wasn't cursing or talking about....ugh, I can't even. This girl has an unnatural obsession with one's reproductive anatomy.

 

I switched channels very early on.  I normally can take her but that whole discussion about Caitllyn's anatomy was just gross.

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I know this is mostly fake but I was waiting for Kourtney to stab Kim with one of her salad forks. She brought up Scott in every conversation. No wonder Kourt was giving mega bitch face.

 

Kris at 60 is looking harsh in the daylight but Scott looked worse. I guess that was his contracted appearance and he really showed his ass. That is a difficult situation.

 

You've all said it about Khloe: Gross.

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It doesn't seem like Kanye cares that much about Kim beyond trotting her out for events so he can show off his trophy wife. I think that's why she's constantly running back to family. They could easily lease a house, but they don't. They're a very strange couple.

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Khloe talking about her "camel toe" once again and her "puffy pussy". Her schtick is getting old. And why do they have to show her and her little phone conversations with Caitlyn? Trying to keep Cait relevent? I am proud of her for calling her sisters out on doing most of the work while they stay home. Although I don't believe for a minute that she works so hard she has no friends any more and no time to date. What about her boyfriend James?

 

I'm confused about the Scott timeline. Is all this that is being shown with him before the final straw of him being shown partying with other women? When he was at Kris' house and they had Kourt on speaker trying to figure out how to make arrangements for him to see his kids and take responsibility to spend time with them,  and he says he can't see them because he is going to Miami, I would have kicked him out of my house right then and there!  Kris showed alot more restraint than I would have.

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It doesn't seem like Kanye cares that much about Kim beyond trotting her out for events so he can show off his trophy wife. I think that's why she's constantly running back to family. They could easily lease a house, but they don't. They're a very strange couple.

Eh, I'm not so sure about that.  There's been plenty of pictures of Kanye playing the family man, taking North to ballet, spending time with Mason and Penelope, etc.  I hate to see it but I see Kanye and Kim lasting a while.  For one, I think that sort-of-separate-lives-but-only-when-convenient thing that they have going on actually is preferable to both of them.  Remember how she reacted to Kris Humphries actually wanting to fully live like husband and wife? 

 

I think that in addition to being married, they are trying to create a Kim and Kanye "brand" but at the same time are trying to keep their businesses as separate as possible, only bringing them together when it's beneficial to the other.  Case in point:  Kanye appearing on Keeping up with Caitlin and Kim wearing Kanye's shit-tastic fashions during his shows.  I mean come on.  This is Kim Kardashian.  Appearance is everything, but so is money and fame.  I don't believe for 1 second she thinks Kanye's runway looks are attractive or flattering.  I mean, I am very much in love with my husband, but if he asked me to walk around looking like a reject from a Walking Dead casting call, I'd say no.  But if I had paparazzi following me around and knew that my wearing a ripped up sweatshirt on the red carpet would bring him press, good or bad, sure, I'd help out.

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I'm confused about the Scott timeline. Is all this that is being shown with him before the final straw of him being shown partying with other women?

There's multiple partying with other women. This is after the partying with the ex in Europe, but before the Florida trip that had him off partying with underage girls. 

This trip - http://radaronline.com/photos/scott-disick-cocaine-boca-raton-party-teens/photo/1077962/taboola/?utm_source=OKMag&utm_medium=AMIPartner&utm_campaign=July

 

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/scott-disick-spends-penelope-disick-birthday-florida-skips-disneyland-party-201587

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I am proud of her for calling her sisters out on doing most of the work while they stay home.

 

And let's not forget how that pissed off Kim when she had to work all the time right after Kourtney had Penelope. Then she had to sic Jonathan on Kourtney, who called her LAZY for staying at home and caring for her children. Hmm, but now that Kim is a mother I guess it's OK for HER to stay home and have Khloe do the traveling. God, I hate Kim.

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I liked Malika's bringing up Kim's little trip to Paris. She can travel when she wants to and when Kanye demands it. I do recall though that both Kim and Khloe called out Kourtney after she had Mason and they felt she was slacking. The big difference is she wasn't hobnobbing all over when it was convenient for her.

Oh and Kim... Andre Leon Tally called and wants his tents back. That black number you were styling in Kris's garden? Black isn't always slimming.

I laughed when she was talking about Scott and he walked in.. But she shouldn't worry, I doubt he gives a shit what she thinks of him.

I felt so bad for Kourtney when she said that Scott flaked on taking the kids to school. You can tell she loves those kids more than anything. I hope he gets his shit together cause I do think he loves them dearly too. But I wish Kris and the others would stop talking about the situation in front of Mason, he senses something is up. Same with the conversations about Caitlyn. Good for Kourtney to call Kris in wanting to lunch with Scott in public, she knows her mom wants the paps to get the pics.

Khloe is a pig. The sly smug calls to Caitlyn asking about the sex change operation and her crass behavior in Australia.. who were the guys in the car with her after the night out?

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Has Kourtney ever been to Australia? Kim did the 14 hour flight in November 2014 to promote her perfume, she even wore a stupid latex dress on the edge of summer in Australia do so. Big W is a discount department store (their competitors are Kmart and Target), the Kardashian Kids clothing line they sell is for girls age 0-7. This was a promotional trip suited to "down to earth" mother of 2 girls Kourtney. It's the only thing she's really suited to promote, and she didn't do it. She's not exactly earning her share.

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I'll give Kourtney a pass this time due to Reign's young age and the split with Scott. But it's going to become more and more difficult for her to do these jaunts as the kids get older. Especially since she's more the hands on kind of mom than Kim. Eventually theyre going to have to reevaluate the whole personal appearance aspect of their partnership.

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I did feel that Kourtney's no was a little lazy, but then again, none of them needed to do that promo tour The family must've made hundreds of millions of dollars by now, so none of the family needed to make any promotional trips, or actually work in any way ever again. I'll never understand why these sort of people just don't cash out.

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Khloe is a pig. The sly smug calls to Caitlyn asking about the sex change operation and her crass behavior in Australia.. who were the guys in the car with her after the night out?

I thought it was totally disrespectful her talking to her father figure about her genetalia, not cool at all and I like Khloe. But sometimes it's way too far and I think I saw that in Malika's reaction.

 

Caitlyn needs to stop the bullshit, you don't need to act like you are a peer of Khloe's, you're not.  Don't be like Kris who is constantly trying to relive her youth via her daughters. She actually thinks she's Kim with that hired fake boyfriend and all. If she could give birth she probably would, naming the child after a constellation to boot.  These people are mentally disturbed IMO.

 

Anyway Caitlyn, you're still the parental figure and should have told Khloe to cut the shit right there on that phone call. Like I'm hanging up and call me back when you get some respect. 

 

Note to Khloe: I do not think it's socially acceptable to ask transgender people about what's under their clothing. You wouldn't do it to anyone else so...

 

There is an element of nastiness when Khloe talks to Caitlyn, that I don't see when anyone else in that family talks to her. There is something nasty under the surface and she's not hiding it, if that's what she's trying to do. I see it.

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I thought it was totally disrespectful her talking to her father figure about her genetalia, not cool at all and I like Khloe. But sometimes it's way too far and I think I saw that in Malika's reaction.

Caitlyn needs to stop the bullshit, you don't need to act like you are a peer of Khloe's, you're not. Don't be like Kris who is constantly trying to relive her youth via her daughters. She actually thinks she's Kim with that hired fake boyfriend and all. If she could give birth she probably would, naming the child after a constellation to boot. These people are mentally disturbed IMO.

Anyway Caitlyn, you're still the parental figure and should have told Khloe to cut the shit right there on that phone call. Like I'm hanging up and call me back when you get some respect.

Note to Khloe: I do not think it's socially acceptable to ask transgender people about what's under their clothing. You wouldn't do it to anyone else so...

There is an element of nastiness when Khloe talks to Caitlyn, that I don't see when anyone else in that family talks to her. There is something nasty under the surface and she's not hiding it, if that's what she's trying to do. I see it.

I agree, I think she's got a lot of resentment built up and it comes out in this exaggerated " I'm cool with this situation, you can tell by the way I have no filter in the crass questions I ask" I think she had a pretty good relationship with her step father but I don't think she or the others like Caitlyn.... at all. Kim, puts on a good face, but I get the impression it's all for show. She and Kris are all about the public image, putting up a fake facade. I notice the older Jenner kids haven't been mentioned at all and I think Casey's face was blurred at the ESPYs. I imagine the bitter posts from Burt right after that night were a response to Kylie and Kendall, and perhaps the Kardashian girls failure to attend the after party.

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Burt's bitter posts that he deleted and Kylie replied to were back in the spring. I didn't get him, she's a teen, Burt's an adult he should know better than to attack teens for not handling their fathers transition right. There's no easyt way for them to do it. They also lived with him everyday of their lives as a father and a parent, unlike Burt. So he had no place attacking any of the actual kids Caitlyn raised for them not handling her transition like he would, since Burt's basically a stranger in their lives and even in Caitlyn's. Burt's bitterness is probably more Caitlyn related than Kylie/Kendall.

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I swear, as each episode progresses the sit down commentary by the Kardashians/Jenners gets more and more manipulated and edited. They can't even commentate a whole sentence without it being chopped up and sounding really fabricated. I don't know why they don't just get them to read off a script.

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I swear, as each episode progresses the sit down commentary by the Kardashians/Jenners gets more and more manipulated and edited. They can't even commentate a whole sentence without it being chopped up and sounding really fabricated. I don't know why they don't just get them to read off a script.

The show is basically propaganda. They always want to have the last word about any negative publicity or obvious plastic surgeries that they have had. The plot lines seem almost incidental to the spin that is littered throughout the show. It is almost amusing listening to the plastic surgery excuses. According to them, it is just exercise, genetics, make-up, etc... Even though said body part drastically changed and seemed to just happen overnight.

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I swear, as each episode progresses the sit down commentary by the Kardashians/Jenners gets more and more manipulated and edited. They can't even commentate a whole sentence without it being chopped up and sounding really fabricated. I don't know why they don't just get them to read off a script.

Ah! You assume they can read unassisted?

Snark off.

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I had this on in the background and why is Khloe's assistant so up in her face about her workload? I assume that if Khloe doesn't work, then she doesn't work. It's really none of her business. I realize that she's part of Khloe's entourage, but still..

 

Kourtney seems too dull to be a spokesperson. I like her the best, but she's not that personable, but that's definitely better than being crass and vulgar. I'd give her a pass on staying home. She's juggling a new baby, two other small children and that loser of a baby-daddy. Mom needs to mind her own business and stay out of Kourtney's relationship problems. I'd not encourage that dud of a dad.

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I don't understand why Caitlyn was so butt hurt that the girls didn't attend the after party. Kylie and Kendall are freaking teenagers and their father just became a woman. Maybe they weren't ready to handle all the questions and attention. Kim, Kourt and Khloe didn't want their mother to feel slighted so they opted to meet her for dinner. Jeez, it's not like they blew the whole thing off.

Caitlyn really comes across as a spoiled brat.

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I don't get how Caitlyn plans an after party and doesn't inform all her kids about it in advance. She really is a poor comminucator. However, being in the industry for as long as they have been, I can't imagine they didn't expect some kind of after party. There's at least one if not several after every major awards event. Nice to be supportive of Kris but as the parent I think she needs to be a bit less needy especially, under these unique circumstances. If she finds the situation tough to deal with, it harder still for her kids.

Where are her girlfriends, Faye Resnick and the other few we've seen could have taken her out or away for the week end. Neither Kris nor Caitlyn is putting the kids first.

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The show is basically propaganda. They always want to have the last word about any negative publicity or obvious plastic surgeries that they have had. The plot lines seem almost incidental to the spin that is littered throughout the show. It is almost amusing listening to the plastic surgery excuses. According to them, it is just exercise, genetics, make-up, etc... Even though said body part drastically changed and seemed to just happen overnight.

Pretty much. From day one of watching, I felt like it was just a way for them to give their perfect version of history (revisionist history?) compared to what is written in the tabloids. I wonder why Scott even still agreed to go on the show and have all his dirty laundry aired in that discussion with Kris. He must have been paid a lot by them.

Anyways I really wonder what their die hard fans who dismiss any criticism of them see in them. I get all fan bases have this but the Kardashians especially...I just don't see what is so likeable about them, particularly Kim who is so narcissistic.

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The show is basically propaganda. They always want to have the last word about any negative publicity or obvious plastic surgeries that they have had. 

Kris once almost had a deal for a Kardashian magazine, but the deal fell through when she tried to get complete editorial control so that there would be nothing but positive things about them in it.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kris-Jenner-s-Controlling-Ways-Kill-Kardashian-Magazine-Deal-247811.shtml

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Let's all make a toast. 'Up the bum, no babies!' .......(crass, no class)

 

Yes, Khloe has outdone herself in the race to the finish line in 'The Biggest Slut' competition within the Kardashian ranks. I think that Khloe is so desperate to stand out from her sisters and micro-managing mother that being outrageous and outspoken enough will get the attention she craves. Khloe has been the 3rd in line of the three full-blood sisters for focus because, she definitely has had some body issues. Now that Kim has become an Orca and Kourtney has morphed into an anorexic, mentally unstable person, Khloe can finally get ALL the attention with her antics and socially unacceptable behavior. Khloe holds center stage now. She can't compete with Kendall and Kylie, but she'll always have Kim and Kourtney to upstage.

 

Yesterday afternoon, I watched an old episode from 2009. Kim and Kourtney were in Miami and Mason was just a few months old. Scott was his usual self-indulgent, alcoholic self and went into a tirade in their Miami apartment and punched the bathroom mirror. He had to go to the emergency room to get it stitched up and a few days later required surgery to reconnect tendons in his knuckles. Kourtney did her usual crying and attempts at 'tough love' which of course didn't do a thing to change Scott. Flash forward to 2015 and now Kourtney has three babies with Scott the alcoholic and philanderer. Who's to blame for that, Scott? I used to think that she, of all the three, was the one with some brains. Now I feel that Kourtney is the one that needs to find out why she had this need to have more babies with Scott Disick and get some help for her eating disorder. How can anyone feel sorry for Kourtney when she brought this all upon herself? This problem with Scott has been going on for more than 7 years!

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I don't understand why Caitlyn was so butt hurt that the girls didn't attend the after party. Kylie and Kendall are freaking teenagers and their father just became a woman. Maybe they weren't ready to handle all the questions and attention. Kim, Kourt and Khloe didn't want their mother to feel slighted so they opted to meet her for dinner. Jeez, it's not like they blew the whole thing off.

Caitlyn really comes across as a spoiled brat.

When we watch Caitlyn and listen to what she says, we tend to think 'selfish' and 'ego-maniacal' but I believe we're seeing a down-to-the bone clinical narcissist. There's a world of difference between what the Kardashians are and what Caitlyn always was. They are narcissistic yes, but Caitlyn has lived an entire lifetime as someone with a very real mental disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

Most of us exhibit mild traits of narcissism; a certain degree of self interest is healthy and demonstrates good psychological health. Some of the traits of narcissism, such as inflated sense of self-confidence, arrogance and ego-centrism are frequently attributed to people with a “big ego”. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is often under-diagnosed as many high functioning individuals, like Caitlyn Jenner, are just considered people with big egos due to their successes. The greatest fear that Caitlyn Jenner has always had is the fear of not having attention focused on her and being thought of as being common.

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This episode felt like the battle of the paid friends. Malika of course wins because of the hundreds of times she said "you need to talk to your sisters!" Do we truly believe Khloe is so shy and such a pleaser that she won't tell Kim and Kourtney what's on her mind?? HAHAHAHA!!

Then of course Corey the paid boyfriend gets a nod with the condom and cucumber scene, but I thought Kris was supposedly having nonstop sex with this man? Isn't it too late to worry about condoms at this point?

And last but not least, we get a glimpse of Candis! As someone mentioned unthread, the only missing famewhore was Jonathan.

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When we watch Caitlyn and listen to what she says, we tend to think 'selfish' and 'ego-maniacal' but I believe we're seeing a down-to-the bone clinical narcissist. There's a world of difference between what the Kardashians are and what Caitlyn always was. They are narcissistic yes, but Caitlyn has lived an entire lifetime as someone with a very real mental disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Most of us exhibit mild traits of narcissism; a certain degree of self interest is healthy and demonstrates good psychological health. Some of the traits of narcissism, such as inflated sense of self-confidence, arrogance and ego-centrism are frequently attributed to people with a “big ego”. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is often under-diagnosed as many high functioning individuals, like Caitlyn Jenner, are just considered people with big egos due to their successes. The greatest fear that Caitlyn Jenner has always had is the fear of not having attention focused on her and being thought of as being common.

The clip of her parading into Kylies birthday dinner, late, and with a big look at me, look at me!!! attitude, made it clear to me that she is all about herself.

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I think the fact that Caitlyn willingly participated as a peripheral cast member in a reality tv show named after her step children suggests she doesn't have NPD.

DSM IV - TR gave the following diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Caitlyn is/was obviously not a person with an even keel, but unlikely to have NPD.

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I think the fact that Caitlyn willingly participated as a peripheral cast member in a reality tv show named after her step children suggests she doesn't have NPD.

DSM IV - TR gave the following diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Caitlyn is/was obviously not a person with an even keel, but unlikely to have NPD.

I wonder if they can diagnose groups of people (families, sports teams - New England Patriots)

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This episode felt like the battle of the paid friends. Malika of course wins because of the hundreds of times she said "you need to talk to your sisters!" Do we truly believe Khloe is so shy and such a pleaser that she won't tell Kim and Kourtney what's on her mind?? HAHAHAHA!!

Then of course Corey the paid boyfriend gets a nod with the condom and cucumber scene, but I thought Kris was supposedly having nonstop sex with this man? Isn't it too late to worry about condoms at this point?

And last but not least, we get a glimpse of Candis! As someone mentioned unthread, the only missing famewhore was Jonathan.

I had to laugh because Kris Jenner probably at least knew what condoms were when she was barely a teenager. The ridiculous attempt to appear to be totally unaware of how to use a condom was laughable. In no way is Kris innocent when it comes to sex. The woman was born horny.

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The whole condom scene was stupid. Aren't there normally instructions in the box? Couldn't Kris Google instructions? The way the scene began with Kris asking, out of the blue, "how do you put on a condom" makes me think they couldn't even figure out a plausible way for the subject to arise "naturally" in conversation, a conversation with the inappropriate and invasive Khloe, no less.

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The fact that a cucumber was readily available was also a tell.

Hasn't Kris passed menopause? Unless she's worried about STDs and if she's been screwing Corey for all this time, isn't it too late to worry about condoms. It's just an attention getting ploy, letting everyone know some young guy thinks she hot and sexy.

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Yesterday afternoon, I watched an old episode from 2009. Kim and Kourtney were in Miami and Mason was just a few months old. Scott was his usual self-indulgent, alcoholic self and went into a tirade in their Miami apartment and punched the bathroom mirror. He had to go to the emergency room to get it stitched up and a few days later required surgery to reconnect tendons in his knuckles. Kourtney did her usual crying and attempts at 'tough love' which of course didn't do a thing to change Scott. Flash forward to 2015 and now Kourtney has three babies with Scott the alcoholic and philanderer. Who's to blame for that, Scott? I used to think that she, of all the three, was the one with some brains. Now I feel that Kourtney is the one that needs to find out why she had this need to have more babies with Scott Disick and get some help for her eating disorder. How can anyone feel sorry for Kourtney when she brought this all upon herself? This problem with Scott has been going on for more than 7 years!

Kourtney has an eating disorder Is this for real ? I see her eating (literally) ALL the time.

It's beyond annoying all the shovelling food and constant chewing

But I'd not heard this before....

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Kourtney has an eating disorder Is this for real ? I see her eating (literally) ALL the time.

It's beyond annoying all the shovelling food and constant chewing

But I'd not heard this before....

Binge and purge maybe?

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There are some articles in the press from september that have the tabloids speculating about her weight loss and an eating disorder.

 

Or perhaps Kourtney is just one of those people who can't eat during times of high stress.  Who knows.  We see them take 2 or 3 bites of something on the show.  That doesn't mean they eat the whole thing.

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