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[RedRockRosie]

46 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I am on the verge of tuning out again.

I tuned in to see painful episodes but ones that were mitigated by powerhouse performances by AN and SC, but this black market baby scam and insta-adoption is just a macabre horror show.

Steffy has every right to live her life and do what she wants, including adoption - at some point - but I have a very hard time wrapping my head around her having to do it RIGHT.THIS.SECOND.

 

2 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Steffy is as thirsty as a camel in the Sahara desert.  She can't wait for 'Beth's' ashes to even cool down before she's shoving a substitute in Liam's face in yet ANOTHER effort to get back with a man who has never celebrated an anniversary with her.  And her thirsty-as-hell killer momma is right there with her.  Will somebody, ANYBODY read these disgusting slatterns for filth?!?!?!

3 hours ago, jenrising said:

My god, Steffy is so self-centered. How can she even think to ask Liam to meet a baby girl when he can barely even mention Beth without breaking down? This is all so disgusting and pointlessly cruel. 

The whole time Steffy was asking Liam if he was "OK" about the new baby adoption I felt physically ill. How cruel! How heartless!!!

52 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

And I'm not here for this shit.

Neither am I. If it wasn't for you guys on this board, I'd be long gone...but it may be time for a long break til this baby switch crap is over.

[Waldo13]

Will and Bill are pretty cute together. I don't think that Will is learning everything from Bill. His mother is not exactly destitute and he goes to a private school with other rich kids. 

Dr Wayne Shady wants to stay out of it but he's agreed to let Stuffy see the baby. Now it seems he will not only forge a birth certificate but medical records.  I would imagine that this Beth debacle will be coming to a head sooner than later because Stuffy is taking Liam to see the baby. 

Beside the stupidity of a fake birth certificate and what amounts to human trafficking, I have a few more questions that make this story line a completely ridiculous and utter sham.  Dr Wayne Shady just happened to have a stillborn baby on hand?  It had to be a drugged Beth but how did he get her to LA?  Why wasn't the after bit saved to see if there was an admiralty that could be prevented in future pregnancies. Why was Beth cremated but there was no urn of ashes at the memorial?  Wouldn't you think that Hope would want a part of Beth preserved?  Why didn't Liam and Hope suck it up and make sure it was Beth that was being cremated Believe me, I know how painful it would be for them but I learned all to well to trust but to also verify.  When my wife passed, I made sure they call me as soon as they brought her to the funeral parlor from the hospital morgue. Before the service, I checked the coffin to make sure it was her. I watched the coffin being loaded on the hurst and than would not leave the grave until it was completely filled in. Call me OCD or whatever, but my grief couldn't fully be felt until my obligations for a proper burial were fulfilled.  

[Anna Yolei]

Will I'm hoping will be a troublemaker, because all the legacy kids apart from Rick were just so boring and relatively goody-goody and bland compared to actual LA/BH/Bel Air brats. Or even my ham radio club in high school for that matter.

And to Waldo: *hugs*

[RedRockRosie]

48 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

And to Waldo: *hugs*

I second this Waldo. ((hugs))

[jenrising]

1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

 Dr Wayne Shady just happened to have a stillborn baby on hand?  It had to be a drugged Beth but how did he get her to LA?  

There was a scene at the Catalina hospital of Dr. Shady comforting a hospital employee about something unspecified, but he said things like "there was nothing you could have done" or "it wasn't your fault" so presumably there was another baby who did actually die, that he just pretended was Beth from the beginning. Since Hope was unconscious and Liam wasn't there yet, there isn't anyone else who ever actually saw the real Beth right after she was born. 

Now, none of this explains how or why he managed to hatch this very specific and weird plan, or how he strolled out of the hospital and off the island with a child, but they did make some effort.

[Gam2]

This entire story line was so poorly thought out, poorly written and poorly forced onto the actors (who managed to wring gold out of horseshit). A pox on the writers and directors and producers who put this on the air. 

[mightysparrow]

Oh @Waldo13, I'm so sorry.  Wherever she is, your wife knows how much you love her.

This why this particular story line cuts close to the bone for so many people.  Grief isn't something you mess around with.  Maybe they should have given this story to less competent actors, like HT or JMW.  But AN and SC were so good that we FELT Hope and Liam's grief.  To turn this around to make it ALL ABOUT STEFFY is so offensive and disgusting.  To throw in human trafficking of a little baby to pay a gambling debt, is truly adding insult to injury.  They need to wrap this shit up ASAP.

[CharlizeCat]

Waldo, I am so sorry for your loss. (((HUGS!)))

If I hadn't been watching the show and just listening, I would have thought that Taylor and Steffy were talking about a dog or cat they were going to meet at the local animal shelter.  "I wanted to talk to you before I met her and fell in love with her and brought her home." 

"I'm not making Beth's death all about ME! ME! ME!" Of course, you are. I can not believe that Hauxdi would already prey on a broken, grieving, vulnerable Liam in such an insensitive manner. I could already feel her spinning the web of drawing Liam in because "this little girl will be part of your daughter's life."

The logistics of trying to fake all of this is going to be a nightmare for Dr. Wayne Shady (not that I care) and you would think at another physician like Taylor would see right through it. I can just picture her thumbing through a paper chart and nodding in agreement at the fiction that's been spun. 

How I would love, that when Liam meets this baby, that he sees her leg and notices the birthmark. Call Hauxdi and her disgrace of a mother out on the spot. Reclaim Beth and send those pathetic works of plastic away in exchange for not going to the authorities. Dealing with the fallout all around would be far more interesting. 

I agree that in these times, this is really a story line in the poorest of tastes and outdated. 

If CBS had to integrate Wayne Brady into B&B somehow, a better (well ... ) idea would be for the thug to kidnap Zoe and Xander. While it would be painful to watch due to the bad acting, I would be willing to sacrifice a few weeks of watching the junior varsity and then have them all disappear off-screen, than to watch this travesty that's unfolding right now.

If Brad Bell is so willing to bend to fan/peer pressure, I can't imagine that he's getting good feedback on this clusterf***. 

[TessHarding2]

I'm watching Who's Line is it Anyway from 2002.  Wayne Shady was so handsome and adorable, really a stunning face.  So talented and clever.  B&B is not his thing.

[Waldo13]

7 hours ago, jenrising said:

There was a scene at the Catalina hospital of Dr. Shady comforting a hospital employee about something unspecified, but he said things like "there was nothing you could have done" or "it wasn't your fault" so presumably there was another baby who did actually die, that he just pretended was Beth from the beginning. Since Hope was unconscious and Liam wasn't there yet, there isn't anyone else who ever actually saw the real Beth right after she was born. 

Now, none of this explains how or why he managed to hatch this very specific and weird plan, or how he strolled out of the hospital and off the island with a child, but they did make some effort.

Now there's another thing. Dr Wayne Shady just got to the island and within a few hours a woman gives birth and walks out of the clinic leaving her almost full term still born baby behind?  

 

I agree that Dr Wayne Shady is not ment for soap operas but he's also  or ment for his game show either.  His hosting seems to be phoned in along with his side sick Jonathan.  He's no Kevin Heart.  Tiffany is the only one worth watching  

[ByTor]

7 hours ago, TessHarding2 said:

Wayne Shady was so handsome and adorable, really a stunning face.

I think he still is.  The kind of storyline he's stuck in is a shame :(

[CountryGirl]

@Waldo13, I am so very sorry for your loss. 

[nkotb]

Is the general consensus that Dr. Shady drugged Baby Beth to appear dead, & then let Hope hold her? I've always thought that the woman who left the clinic while Hope was in labor had a stillborn, & Dr. Shady took that baby & gave it to Hope & Liam to grieve over.  That was the baby that had the birthmark on her leg, that they've talked about. The real Beth was whisked away to parts unknown, until he could sneak her to his non-Catalina apartment. That's my thought, anyway.

I read a theory, it might have been here, which I could see happening & unraveling the baby switch. Liam writes a piece for either Spencer or maybe even something for the Hope For the Future website, about their baby, & their loss, with details including dates & locations, & in it, mentions the birthmark. I could actually see it being how Hope comes back to work, Liam writes a piece about their grief & posts it to the website. At some point, the actual birth mom to the stillborn girl, the woman who was in the clinic, reads it & contacts them, because she sees the similarities. Then, the pieces could slowly, organically, start coming together. That's probably 10x better than what we'll actually see, though.

This morning, I had another thought. With JMW due for maternity leave soon, what if Steffy gets Beth/Phoebe, & starts bonding, then has an accident? Maybe an automobile accident, or something innocent. If she was in a coma for the time that JMW is on maternity leave, logically, Liam & Hope would get both babies to care for while she recovers. Hope could bond hardcore with Beth, & then the truth comes out.

ETA: I also think Wayne Brady is really handsome, & I've said before, he & pre-surgery Hunter Tylo would've been a strikingly beautiful couple. Such a shame.

Edited January 17, 2019 by nkotb
Brady praise.

[mightysparrow]

Wayne Brady is very handsome.  He's got a great personality and is very talented.  So how did he end up in this on-its-last-legs soap with this dog of a story line?

[Petunia13]

Matt who does all the funny B&B and Y&R memes and spoof videos had a stroke last night. Scott Clifton sent him already a get well message and some jokes. ❤️ 

 

Its always nice to see soap stars being kind in rl. 

Aged Will is too precocious for my liking. 

Hope is right all the support in the world won’t bring Beth back or diminish her grief. She needs time and less cliches.  

Batie anvils are flapping and I’m not interested. ✋ 😫

All multimillionaires eat on the floor of their living room right? 

Sally looks gorgeous in black. I think Hope misunderstood her intention. I think sally wanted her to have something to hold and give her company.

[Gudzilla]

I can't help but think the discussion in the writer's room went like this....

Head Writer:  People still prefer Hope over Steffy, how can we change that ?

Writer 2:  How about have her yell at a character that fans love, like maybe Sally. 

Writer 3: And a puppy 

Writer 1: What ?

Writer 3:  A puppy, she can refer to it as "a damn dog ", people will forget the fact that she's grieving if she yells about a puppy.

Writer 2:  Then we can give the puppy to Steffy and she'll have 2 babies and a puppy ! 

Head Writer: That is next level genius, no way they could prefer Hope to someone with 2 babies and a puppy !

[Joimiaroxeu]

Isn't Will kind of old to be sitting on Bill's lap?

Yeah, IR is on his way out all right. Looks like they've stopped providing him a wardrobe for Thorne. 😼

Yo, Thorne. Feeling like a third wheel yet?

Why was everyone staring at Will while he said grace? And geez, those poor rich people, having to eat their meal on the floor like rubes who have no dining room furniture.

Sally! Too soon! OMG.

[Waldo13]

I understand Hope's anguish in wanting to be alone but in the Jewish tradition, mourning is done in a group.  For 7 days Shiva is observed by family and friends were there is a celebration of the deceased life by sharing memories.  Modern Jewish believes also include full term still births.  You can equate sitting Shiva to a wake in reverse.  

Their is one other factor that can be attributed to Hope's mourning and that is postpartum blues. 

Sally's puppy ploy was an epic failure. 

[jenrising]

41 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

I understand Hope's anguish in wanting to be alone but in the Jewish tradition, mourning is done in a group.  For 7 days Shiva is observed by family and friends were there is a celebration of the deceased life by sharing memories.  Modern Jewish believes also include full term still births.  You can equate sitting Shiva to a wake in reverse.  

Their is one other factor that can be attributed to Hope's mourning and that is postpartum blues. 

Sally's puppy ploy was an epic failure. 

Yeah, I didn't mind the scene because there was no bad guy there. Sally was trying to be sweet but Hope was in no condition to accept it. As much as I hate this storyline, I think  the Hope and Liam parts of it are pretty well written. I really like that they gave Wyatt and Hope a moment to share the loss they suffered together. 

And honestly, Liam trying to support her but also draw her out a little is good. It's the "good guy" Liam is supposed to be. Watching him flail about for what to do because his wife is in a hole of grief so deep he can't get to her is 1 million times better than his normal waffling (which I'm sure will come along soon enough but I'll take the break while I can).

[MotherInLaw]

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Aged Will is too precocious for my liking. 

I have such a difficult time watching this little guy...have none of the writers ever been around children?  I’ve never heard a child talk the way they’ve written for the little dude-neither the subject matter nor the actual dialogue.  It’s so stilted I just cringe and roll my eyes.  I mean, what little kid does an impromptu grace like that?  I raised 3 boys, and they’d always have some stupid 3 liner they heard at camp 🙄

[Petunia13]

If this was a better show and an hour long there’d be some scenes of Bridget and Hope talking about this loss. I think big sister Bridget having also gone through losing a baby daughter and being the nice girl in romantic triangles for years would a great friend and rock for Hope. 

I can already see Liam pulling away. 

Question 🤔 how come it was SO SO important that baby Kelly be raised in a two parent home and that Liam should be with Steffy for the baby’s sake... but that it’s absolutely the best scenario ever for the adoptive baby to be raised by a single mom? Just trying to understand Steffy, Ridge, Taylor logic that made out one situation seem borderline cruel and the other same exact one a year later heavenly. 

[sugarbaker design]

13 hours ago, nkotb said:

Is the general consensus that Dr. Shady drugged Baby Beth to appear dead, & then let Hope hold her? 

No, the common concensus, from what I see, is Dr. B delivered a healthy baby Beth, and then substituted a stillborn infant, with a birthmark. most likely born to the young blond woman seen at the Catalina clinic.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Yeah, I guess we're not going know for sure until it can be determined whether Baby X has a birthmark like Beth's. If she does then that would mean Dr. 10 Downing Street drugged her to appear "dead" while Hope and Liam saw her. But if they think Beth was cremated wouldn't they have received her ashes? If so, then there likely was another baby that had actually died and maybe that was the one Hope and Liam saw. Ugh, either way it's awful.

[ByTor]

20 hours ago, nkotb said:

Is the general consensus that Dr. Shady drugged Baby Beth to appear dead, & then let Hope hold her?

Last week I posted that maybe that's how the birthmark might come into play, but as sugarbaker design said, no that's not the consensus.  Even I doubt it will go down that way.  We're probably being more thoughtful about the birthmark than the writers.  Knowing them it was probably a throw-away line & won't come into play at all. 

[Anna Yolei]

9 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

If this was a better show and an hour long there’d be some scenes of Bridget and Hope talking about this loss. I think big sister Bridget having also gone through losing a baby daughter and being the nice girl in romantic triangles for years would a great friend and rock for Hope. 

You'd think so, but if TIIC couldnt be asked to write scenes for them when Ashley Jones was on contract, they sure as hell won't do it today. 

9 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Question 🤔 how come it was SO SO important that baby Kelly be raised in a two parent home and that Liam should be with Steffy for the baby’s sake... but that it’s absolutely the best scenario ever for the adoptive baby to be raised by a single mom?

👏👏👏

I will be livid if they even entertain the idea of Beth staying with Steffy, as another poster suggested. Hell, I'm hoping Taylor's anti Logan bullshit kicks in and she adamantly pushes to send the baby back to Hope on those grounds....you know, since I doubt she'd do it for any other reason. 

[RuntheTable]

@Waldo13; my deepest condolences.

As much as I hate this SL, and that is a lot, I have to admit the writing for Hope and Liam is believable. Scott and Annika’s performances are only enhancing that. Annika in particular is doing so well displaying the varying stages of grief; I completely buy her as someone who lost their child. As hard as it was to watch her breakdown and scream at Sally; that is exactly what Hope needed. She has been internalizing, and is on the precipice of the deep, dark hole of losing herself by drowning in her heartbreak. I know those scenes were hard for Annika, who is an animal advocate, and works hard for various animal causes, but she sold it. Me, I would have been smushing and smooching that adorable little furry face. I really hope they surprise us today, by having Hope calm down now that she has shouted out her anger and pain, and the little furbaby maybe comes over to her and licks her or something, and it is her undoing. I love Sally so, so much for trying though.

I agree the dialog they are giving Will is a bit…….adult? Unbelievable? But the kid still has it. He is adorable, and jumps in with the Vets on this show and completely holds his own. And his chemistry with DD is amazing.

Another thing amazing about DD is him wearing black. LAWD!

I am so happy Wyatt is with Sally. Please don’t fuck them up.

I found myself feeling really bad for Ingo yesterday. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I think he took this job with all the good intentions, and I think the showed has royally screwed him. I also felt bad for the Thorne character yesterday. He is supposed to be a newlywed, but his sister-in-law is living with them, and Bill is now back on board with Will, so where does that leave Thorne?

Emma? I thought she was gone? How many interns do they need on this show? Get rid of this dead weight, and bring back Bridget and Rick. Let us round that out with Deacon and the Alphabet baby, or maybe a new Nick with Jack in tow. Felicia and Dino? So many options to enhance and broaden the foundation and origins of Show, but we get Dr. Whatthefuckever, in probably the darkest SL ever on Show, and his psycho stalker daughter, and her fake accented boyfriend, and that other girl who looks like a Playform cut out doll.

Oh, and before I forget, if this pans out to be a situation where Dr. W drugged an innocent baby to make her appear dead? Well, Show will be dead to me. I can take a baby switch, I hate it, but I can get past it as long as the wrong is righted. But drugging an innocent baby? For gambling debts? Not on your life.

Edited January 18, 2019 by RuntheTable

[thewhiteowl]

Ahh, damn. I hate this story. It's too reminiscent of the "fetus in the fireplace" story that killed Y& R for me. Endless talk of baby death is not entertaining to me. Just depressing. SC is bringing it and AN is heartbreaking. That's all.

Another round of Batie may end me. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

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 Another thing amazing about DD is him wearing black. LAWD!

Right? IMO he is the definition of aging well. I still think he needs to ease up on that ridiculous solid black hair color though. Didn't Bill used to have some touches of gray? I didn't think it made him look older at all.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, thewhiteowl said:

Ahh, damn. I hate this story. It's too reminiscent of the "fetus in the fireplace" story that killed Y& R for me. Endless talk of baby death is not entertaining to me.

I think you hit on why the Amber/Becky switch worked better than this, despite the apparently great performances from AN and SC--Amber was the only one who knew her baby had died besides Tawny and I can't remember if Becky thought her baby was dead or if he had been whisked away and unable to get him back, but there wasn't much dwelling and harping on that either way. Becky got to have a fun summer with her cousin's "baby" and peek into the glamorous live she was now living away from Furnace Creek before the rug fell out from under her.

This? This is just gross. And the actors are spinning gold from shit straw, which makes it even worse. I don't think I remember TWoP being this saddened and cringing over the Brooke attack story, even after it became all about Ridge playing hero and Brooke's trauma became yet another way for them to reunite.

[RuntheTable]

1 hour ago, thewhiteowl said:

Ahh, damn. I hate this story. It's too reminiscent of the "fetus in the fireplace" story that killed Y& R for me. Endless talk of baby death is not entertaining to me. Just depressing.

This! This is not why I tune into soap land. I want drama, and naughtiness, and sex, and backstabbing, and intrigue and corporate hijinks. This is my guilty pleasure; I don't watch to get depressed. There are plenty of shows to do that for me if I so choose. 

Or, there is always this:

[CountryGirl]

Recap for Thurs. 1/17/2019:

*This episode was worth the watch and the recap - for the scenes between Darrin and Annika and Annika and Courtney, the former so very long overdue. 

We open at the cabin, where a clearly worn out Liam sighs as he read some condolence cards.

Liam: "That was nice of them." He holds one of the cards out to Hope and kudos to makeup and hair because she looks...terrible, eyes sunken in, hair in lank strands. She takes the card, then tosses it, hating life, and who can blame her? Liam sighs, not knowing how to proceed and it's not because he's already sick of Hope and her tears but because he truly wants to help her but he's grieving, too. He's having to be her support while still trying to process the unimaginable. "Do you want some water or some tea?"

She shakes her head, staring off into space.

Liam sits down on the ottoman across from her and rubs her arm: "I know it's hard to believe, but... it will get easier. It's just...not a lot of time has passed." 

It's been less than a week since Beth's "death." These are very early days yet.

Hope: "You think time will help? A millennium could go by, and i would still grieve our daughter. Beth didn't even get to see daylight, and I don't understand how that can happen, because she was fine inside of me."

Liam: "Dr. Buckingham even said-"

Hope: "I know what Dr. Buckingham said. I don't care about the medical explanation. I don't. It doesn't matter now. Liam, when I held our daughter in my arms, it just... it feels so unresolved. It's like I... I still feel like she's here, even though I know she's gone."

Liam: "I know." They share a look. "Um...so, listen -- so, Wyatt called me on my way home, and he and sally were thinking of stopping by. I think it actually might be... kind of good for us." You can tell he is desperate for some company for his own sake and Hope's, even if she can't see that family and friends and love are what she needs right now.

Over at FC, Wyatt and Sally are talking with Emma of all people in the design office. Grief aside, I love how Wyatt and Sally are both wearing dark jackets and jeans as it more than subtly solidifies them as a couple.

Emma looks sad as she thinks about her boss: "I can't imagine what Hope is going through. The pain of losing a child?"

Wyatt, quiet, almost as if he's talking to himself: "Yeah...again." 

Emma looks at him in surprise: "Again"?

Wyatt: "Yeah, uh, Hope had a miscarriage a few years back when she and I were married." Finally...they acknowledge the history and heartbreak there. DB is so good here and it's easy to see the pain of losing their son is still very much with him. Sally moves closer to him, strokes his arm.

Emma: "Oh, my God."

Sally: "And now, to have another baby delivered stillborn, I mean, it... it's almost too cruel." Not almost, Sally. It is too cruel. But I know what she means.

Wyatt echoes my thoughts: "It is too cruel. I mean, it's just awful that she has to go through this agony twice, you know? As strong as she is... I don't know. I'm worried about her."  I'm not trying to stir up any Hott embers as I love Wally, but I've always felt Wyatt "got" Hope in a way Liam never will. At a minimum though, next to Liam and Brooke, Wyatt is absolutely the perfect person to help Hope through this. 

We cut over to SP where Will is sitting on Bill's lap, showing him a game he's created on the computer. Bill admires his work but then glances at the time and realize how late it is.

Bill: "We got to call your mom about getting you home."

Will pulls a face: "Already?" 

Bill, whose face belies the joy he feels at his son not wanting to part with him and how he has made up for lost time, agrees: "I know. It bums me out, too. We'll do it again real soon. In fact, we'll do it whenever you want. But before we go, I have a very important question for you, and I want you to brutally honest. What'd you think of my base?"

Will: I would've used different color blocks.

Bill scoffs "What are you talking about? It's gray concrete. It's all about power, strength."

Will: "I would've used green -- money." Hee!

Bill laughs: "You're just the best."

He calls Katie, who immediately picks up and you can see the smile on her face and is that a hint of fluster? Yep...she's always been in love with Bill. I can't blame her there but dammit, I really wanted Brill. 

Katie: "Hey, uh, sorry. I was just about to call you."

She offers to come get Will but Bill offers to bring him home instead and she happily accepts.

Thorne: "What are you smiling about?" Oh, poor Thorne. If you only knew. I do feel bad for IR. He breathed new fire into Thorne when he was first cast but TPTB have completely wasted him. I don't blame him a bit for leaving.

She chalks it up to being happy Bill is finally stepping up as a father, gives him a kiss, and goes to check on dinner. Thorne's expression is wistful and perhaps he's already sensing a change in the wind where his wife's feelings are concerned. 

Back at SP, Will is putting things in his backpack, when he turns back to look at his father: "Dad, can I ask you something?"

Bill: "Of course. You can ask me anything."

Will: "Liam's really sad 'cause he and Hope lost their baby."

Bill: "Yeah. Well, we all are."

Will: "What should I do?" His eyes great big, his expression worried and some of the lines they give FG are eyeroll worthy, but he's really sweet here.

Bill: "What do you mean, "do"?"

Will: "Liam's my brother. I want to help. So, do I say that or not even bring it up? I don't want to make him feel worse." Hope is also his cousin.

Bill considers this for a moment, then bends down to look his son right in the eyes: "Um, I'm gonna give you my best advice, all right? You just keep being the same caring and sensitive brother you've always been. And be especially nice to Hope. (Awwww). Now, I don't want you to worry. Liam and Hope are going through a hard time right now, but they're gonna come through it just fine eventually." He hugs his boy and you can tell DD is a father (of many sons) as he's so good at these scenes. "I'm so glad you came to see me. That was easily the best part of my day." What every child needs to hear. He beams as he looks at Will.

Back at Katie's, Donna comes into the living room. I guess I forget she was staying there.

Donna: "Thanks again, guys, for letting me intrude on your newly-wedded bliss."

Katie: "Oh, any time. You can stay as long as you want." Way to check with Thorne first.

Thorne teases: "You're earning your keep by helping out with Will, so..." It's too bad Ingo is leaving as I see a bit of spark with him and Donna and they would make a gorgeous couple (not to mention keeping Donna out of the Pam/Eric/Quinn nonsense).

Donna laughs: "Ah. As if that's a chore. I mean, we have so much fun together. Where is Will, anyway? When I got back from Brooke's, you guys were all gone."

Katie: "Well, Will is spending some time with his father, and we had some errands to run. Did you see Hope when you were over at Brooke's?"

Donna turns serious: "Uh, only briefly. She excused herself and took a walk. Brooke said that, um, she's been spending most of her time alone." Some alone time is good, but too much...I worry.

Thorne, perhaps reflecting on Aly: "Sounds about right." 

Katie: "It's so awful. I wish there was something that could make it better."

Back at the cabin, Liam reaches out to take Hope's hand.

Hope: "I don't know, Liam. I'm -- I don't think I'm up for visitors."

Liam nods: "I get it. And I can tell Wyatt and Sally not to come, if you want, but... I think that we should allow the people who love us -- who are feeling kind of helpless right now, in light of what we're going through -- to be supportive." I agree with him and again while Hope is dealing with grief AND PPD, Liam needs support now (and not just from black widow Steffy).

Hope: "All the support in the world won't bring Beth back." He moves to sit next to her one couch and embrace her as she sits there, dead-eyed. Annika continues to sell every ounce of this.

Back at FC, Wyatt tells Sally they should probably go before it gets much later. Emma asks them to share how sorry she is.

Wyatt: "We will." Emma leaves as he looks at Sally. "And thank you, by the way." Sally pulls him into her arms.

Sally: "For what?"

Wyatt: "You. Your smile and your warmth. And just being so solidly by my side through this awful situation."

Sally: "You can count on me."

He offers to drive but she opts to drive separately, telling him she has an idea to help Hope and she'll meet him at the cabin.

Back at Katie's, Donna and Katie are still discussing their niece, their worry evident on their faces.

Donna: "I worry about Hope getting withdrawn, thinking there's something wrong with her."

Katie: "Because she's lost a baby before? Well, we just have to make sure she doesn't go down that road."

Before they can say anything else, Will and Bill arrive as Thorne and Katie look on.

It's clear Will had a great time with Bill, who, by the way, is looking ever so sexy in all black. 

They chat for a bit and I laughed when Will shares they talked about "women" and their reaction. When Bill remarks that he should go, Will looks at his mother, asking: “Can Dad stay for dinner?”

Katie and Bill are both taken aback by that, but Thorne agrees and Bill decides to stay. Will is thrilled. I'm not sure Thorne is.

Bill: "What do you say to your Mom and Thorne?"

Will looks at the pair: "Thanks for letting Dad stay."

Katie: "Of course."

Bill reminds him: "And I'm pretty sure I heard your mom tell you to go get washed up, huh?" He scampers off to do exactly that.

Thorne: "Looks like you and Will had a good time."

Bill: "Yeah, we had a great time. Uh, thanks, to both of you, for letting me join you for dinner."

Donna: "Well, how do you say no to a little boy who doesn't want his dad to leave?" You don't.

Katie: "I love seeing how much he loves you."

Bill: "Yeah, I love that kid more than my own life."

Katie: "I have no doubt." She's totally falling in love with him all over again and with him being so sweet with Will and looking good enough to dish up and serve, again, can't fault her there. Thorne stands there, listening, mentally sizing things up.

Back at the cabin, Liam is trying to gently persuade Hope to come out of her shell, just a bit.

Liam: "I get wanting to stay in this cabin and never come out again. I mean, believe me, that sounds really good to me, too. But you know we can't do that. We have to find a way-"

Hope bristles: "I can't act like Beth never existed."

I feel for her so much, but I feel for Liam, too. He's walking on a combination of knives and quicksand right now.

Liam is quick to reassure her: "Nobody is asking you to do that. But what I am asking is that you don't fall so far into despair that nobody can reach you. I mean, we have to let the people that love us in. These are our friends. They're our family. That's what they're for. You may find more comfort in it than you think."

There's a knock at the door and Liam goes to answer it, but not before reaching out to smooth Hope's hair back from her forehead.

Wyatt comes into the living room, very subdued as he takes in Hope on the couch.  "Hey. Um... uh, Sally should be here in a little bit. Um... just wanted to say thanks for letting us stop by. You know, it's completely understandable if you just want to be alone. But...we want you to know that you're not. I mean, there's a ton of people who are just waiting to help you if you need them to, me and Sally included. And... whatever you need, you know? Just let us know, okay?" Hope looks up at Wyatt then, tears in her eyes.

It's a very poignant moment for her and for me as she takes in these two men, these brothers. One her current husband, one her former husband and she has lost a child with both of them. 

Hope: "I know everyone wants to help. I mean, Liam's been encouraging me to open up, to let people in, to offer their condolences, but... you know, with all this pain, it just seems pointless."

Wyatt, gently, but firmly: "That's why maybe you should share it."

Hope: "I appreciate what you're trying to do, Wyatt, but you know..." She pauses for a moment as he takes in those words. "You know there's nothing that anyone can say or do to close the hole in my heart except my baby girl, and she's..." She falters here, realizing he's been taken right back to that horrible day when they lost their son. "I'm sorry."

Wyatt can't meet her eyes. He can't or he might be the one in tears next. "No, just don't do that. Please do not apologize for what you're going through." He finally raises his eyes and they share a look.

Liam gets a text from Brooke, she's wanting him to pick up some plates of food. 

Hope: "I'm not hungry."

Liam: "Hope, you're gonna have to eat eventually." She looks over her shoulder at her husband, one eyebrow arched in challenge. He heads out, leaning to kiss Hope on the top of her head, before he goes. 

The door closes and Wyatt comes to sit across from her. It's just the two of them now and it strikes me that they've had one real conversation when she first returned, but nothing since and this conversation, as painful as it is with the loss of Beth so fresh, has been long overdue.

Hope: "I meant what I said. What you're trying to do is very kind... especially after what we've been through."

Wyatt looks down for a moment: "Yeah, I just, uh... you know, haven't wanted to bring that up."

You can see the pain in his eyes. A pain he can only truly share with Hope. A pain he typically masks for everyone else as the fun, happy-go-lucky Spencer. 

Hope is very gentle here: "Well, it's true. We lost a child, too."

Again...FINALLY. The words are said. Out loud. The pain still there between them.

Wyatt is on the verge of tears: "And I feel so bad that you're going through this, like, again."

Hope sighs and then the words come rushing out about her loss but they could easily echo their loss from years ago: "Yeah, it happened so fast. You know, one minute, everything was normal, everything was fine, and then, suddenly, I was in labor. And I -- I never thought in a million years that I would lose her. Even under those circumstances, I thought she would be born."

Wyatt: "I'm so sorry, Hope. I-"

Hope: "No, I know. But what did Beth do to deserve death with -- without even a taste of life? I don't understand, Wyatt. Why...does this sweet, innocent little life have to be taken away?" She looks so lost as Wyatt looks at her, helpless.

Back at Katie's, they're gathered around the coffee table.

Bill: "Everything looks wonderful, Katie. I haven't forgotten what an incredible cook you are." 

Katie sops up his praise: "Thanks, Bill."

Donna teases: "Pammy wouldn't agree with that assessment."

Katie fires back: "Well, that's because she makes that assessment based on the fact that you and Brooke are a disaster in the kitchen, and I'm guilty by association." It still bugs that there's this running joke about Brooke and Donna being culinary nightmares when we knew differently way back when. Their mother was a caterer for goodness' sake.

Donna feigns being wounded: "Hey!"

Thorne: "Yeah, I'll vouch for Katie's culinary skills."

Katie: "Thanks, babe."

Thorne: "You bet."

Katie: "Of course, I had to step up my game when Will was born." She looks at her son, asking: "You know, um...we don't do this very often, but would you like to say grace?"

Will: "Sure. Everyone join hands."

Everyone does, although Bill looks far less eager to do so today vs in Hope's hospital room with Ridge.

Will: "Thank you, God, for this food we're about to eat, for my family, and having Dad here for dinner. And please, God, if you can, keep an eye out for Beth. She's just a baby, and she didn't get to know her parents, so she's probably feeling lost. If you can, keep an eye out for her, we'd all be so grateful. Amen."

Katie and Bill echo his "Amen," and look ever so proud of their son.

Katie, teary-eyed, moves to sit next to Will on the floor, with Bill on his other side and I see you TPTB with your pointed family tableau: "Well, that was, um... that was really sweet." And sure, a little bit much from this little boy, but I digress. She reaches behind him to place her hand on Bill's arm that is stretched out to squeeze his son's shoulder for the briefest of moments.

Bill: "Super proud of you, pal."

Katie: "Me too."

Thorne: "Well, I think that's unanimous."

Will: "I'm just so sad. Hope and Liam were gonna have a baby. Everyone was so excited. But now Beth's gone. Makes me glad we're all here together." He looks up at his mother.

Katie: "Yeah." But she looks at Bill as she says it. Each take a turn kissing the top of Will's head and can I say, it does my heart good to see a man giving his son that kind of physical affection and not giving a crap who sees it?

Batie is definitely in the works and while I wanted Brill, I can't deny it's sweet seeing this family together. I also like these kind of scenes, seemingly humdrum, but it's that kind of scene that really draws me in.

Back at the cabin, Wyatt is nursing a beer before the fire, alone in the living room. He looks towards the bedroom door.

Sally comes in then, carrying a little sweater-wearing puppy. He's cute as can be because, duh, puppy!, but I'm worried.

Wyatt: "Hey. What...?"

Sally: "Are they here?"

Wyatt is concerned as well: "Yeah. Hope's-- Hope's in the bedroom, and then, Liam went up to the main house and everything, but what are you doing with a dog?"

Sally: "I thought that he could help. I used to volunteer at a rescue in the valley, so I reached out to them."

Wyatt: "Oh, um..."

Sally: "Animals are healing, and they bring so much joy and unconditional love, which is exactly what Hope needs right now. Look at his sweet little face."

Wyatt: "I know. Come on, now. Um, I just... look, this is an incredibly sweet gesture, but I just -- I don't know if it's a good idea to give Hope a puppy right now. She's really raw."

He's right and even though Sally's huge heart is in the right place, it's way, way too soon. 

Sally: "Okay. But there are studies that show the benefits of just petting a dog. And look at his face. I mean, you cannot tell me that he's not gonna cheer Hope up in some way."

Wyatt can't resist smiling at the cutie: "Oh, god, he's so adorable." So the two of you should keep him.

Sally: "I know. She in her room?"

Wyatt: "Yeah."

Sally: "Okay."

Wyatt is still very uncertain: "Um --"

Sally: "I'm gonna go. It'll be okay."

Wyatt: "Um...Sal..." But it's too late.

She knocks on the bedroom door, then pokes her head in.

Sally: "Hope?"

Hope, not looking at her: "Hey, Sally."

Sally comes further into the room: "I'm... so terribly sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine how devastated you must be. Which is why I wanted to come by. I wanted to try and do something to...help."

Hope still isn't looking at her, lost in thoughts of her baby. It's as if Sally isn't even registering.

Sally comes closer: "So, I... I brought you this little guy." She kneels down next to Hope who finally looks over at her as if roused from a fog, her mouth open but no words coming out. "Animals can be so therapeutic. And he is so sweet... and affectionate and... you know, but easygoing and... you know, just needy enough to maybe distract your thoughts from...everything that you're..."

Hope looks like she might be physically ill: "I'm sorry. What is happening? You... a dog -- you got me a dog?"

Sally mistakes Hope's face for being touched: "Yeah. You know, a puppy to -- to love on and to-"

Hope: "You think that a puppy can replace my child? What is wrong with you?"

Sally looks stricken and she tries to reassure Hope: "No, no, no, no! That is not what I meant --" And of course, anyone who is rational can understand the last thing Sally would ever want to do is to cause Hope more pain. Despite the momentary blip of a potential rivalry for Liam's affections, it's clear how much Sally cares about Hope and Liam.

But Hope isn't rational now nor can she be expected to be and she unleashes on Sally full-throttle, shouting: "You do not understand. I lost my daughter. I lost my child, I lost my baby girl, and you think a puppy -- some damn puppy -- can replace my little girl? Nothing can take away the pain of losing my Beth!"

Sally hugs the puppy to her, tears and regret filling her eyes.

A gasping for air, sobbing Hope covers her mouth with her hands to keep from outright screaming.

It's a heartbreaking scene for both women, AN and CH playing the beats so beautifully, and neither is wrong here, and part of me thinks Hope needs to let all of this out, the tears and the hurt and the anger...otherwise it is going to eat her alive.

[RuntheTable]

11 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

and part of me thinks Hope needs to let all of this out, the tears and the hurt and the anger...otherwise it is going to eat her alive.

And this too! Maybe I am weird, but I think screaming out your pain is very cathartic, particularly when you have done nothing to deserve the pain, and cannot understand why this has happened to you. Many years ago one of my favorite cousin's beautiful, young, accomplished wife was shot to death at point blank range. She was sitting in the driver seat of her car getting ready to step out when the gunman approached and demanded her money. Bastard never even gave her a chance before he started firing. They had four young children; now motherless. My cousin had her cremated because the bullets decimated her beautiful face, and after the service his youngest daughter was having a really, really hard time. After he talked to her for a bit, I noticed he disappeared. I found him out in the backyard screaming his heart out. It nearly put me on the ground, but my cousin felt so much better after doing that. He said he felt like he had just opened up and let all the ugly out. 

[A-Lo]

I felt so bad for that puppy who had no idea why some lady was screaming at it!

[Anna Yolei]

You know the one sliver of a silver lining on this story? I finally--at long last fucking finally--got the one thing I've always wanted to see out of a Lope relationship, which is to see them actually working through a problem instead of turning to other people or shutting down. This was such an astronomical price to pay to get to this point and I know it's only a matter of time before Liam starts sniffing back to Cha Cha Cha and the instant Nuclear Family because these writers are hacks and we can't have nice things....but for the time being, Liam's confusion and aimlessless is understandable and unlike the Hope of the past who didn't seem to consider the feelings of others around her at times, she isn't telling him that his way of dealing is the wrong way. She's actually listening and Liam is trying to go at her speed. It's a nice change of pace from the days of yore where Hope didn't trust him further than she could throw him and married his brother because he was 5 minutes late to a wedding.

Sally's misguided attempt at help aside, it was nice to see two unrelated women on this show sharing a scene that wasn't about backstabbing one another over a waffling man or being catty about work. The last time I swear I saw that was when all the Spectras were alive. And Sally seems like the type that would move past that stupidity Hope was shooting at her a few months back to genuinely want her to get better.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Anna Yolei

[CountryGirl]

Oh, @RuntheTable, I am so very sorry to you and your family for your loss.

[Waldo13]

Rich or poor, it's nice to have money.  

All in all that puppy is adorable and might not turn out to be an epic fail. If I was Hope, I would keep the puppy and dump Liam. The puppy would be more loyal. Just look at President Bush's service dog or a dog guarding his burnt down home in CA.  My wife's dog never left her side while she was sick and I even brought him to the hospital grounds.  He couldn't see her but he knew she was there. After she passed, he had to sleep in the bed, on her side, which he wasn't allowed to until then.  He did this for 3 years until he died from cancer also.  "Animals are Great". 

The more Condor feels left out, the happier I become. Why is Donna still there?  

 

@RuntheTable My Condolences to you and your family. 

Edited January 18, 2019 by Waldo13

[RedRockRosie]

This was- & has been- some tough episodes. Hope/AN shreds my heart. Her pain is so raw. I was actually impressed with Hope, Liam, Wyatt and Sally today. Some good acting & even nicely written. I was happy that Hope was able to come out of her room & out of her pain (however briefly) to apologize & bond with Sally, who was really only trying to help. This is something I don't often ever say, but for me the grief story was well done today. It really got to me.

That being said, for me all the "happy happy precocious Will" stuff just grated so I FF'd those scenes. It seemed so jarring in the midst of Hope's grief. Sometimes those scenes can help lighten things for the show but this time I just didn't care. But even in FF I could see that Thorne had the "sads". Ingo was so screwed by casting & show. Don't blame him one iota for leaving.

Oh...and that puppy was truly precious ....& I'm mostly a cat person.

[ByTor]

36 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

If I was Hope, I would keep the puppy and dump Liam.

LOL as would I, @Waldo13

[A-Lo]

Poor AN!  She must go home with a horrendous headache every night after crying so hard all day at work.  She's really knocking it out of the park.

[RuntheTable]

OMG @RedRockRosie, get out of my head! I felt absolutely the same way about those scenes over at Katie's place. Very jarring, out of place, and flat out annoying. I love Don Diamont, and I think Will is awesome, but it felt all wrong today. Then there was Ingo. The whole thing was one big NO. 

But that other stuff?

I wasn't crying. I was balling. I mean the full monty; sucking in my breath, snuffling, coughing, eye scrunching, tissue grabbing. Man, that was so hard to watch, but so damn good. Let me say there was more chemistry between Hope, Liam, Wyatt and Sally, than I have ever felt with Brooke and Ridge, or Katie and Thorne. Something just absolutely clicked with those four today. And the dialog was really, really good. I have to say that I am totally digging this Liam. This is how a husband supports his grieving wife. They seem so solid, and like they are perfectly in tune with each other. I mean, Liam had the line of the day with "It's not Hope lashing out at you Sally. It's the pain." And I love serious Wyatt almost more than our normal flip version. Wyatt has always had the ability to read a room, although he called it wrong today, but it doesn't matter, because that scene felt so real. Wyatt trying to save Sally more heartache, but also trying to be tactful to Liam. Sally had me too. This is one of the things I like so much about Courtney Hope; she is believable. I felt so bad for her when she first came out of the bedroom. And then we have Annika, who is just slaying this shit. I've seen lots of girls lose their babies on soaps over the years, but I never really connected to their pain. I am not cold, or heartless, but I think I just knew it was a soap opera and not real. But Annika is making it real. Her expressions; the deadness in her eyes. The tones she is getting in her voice. And then she had to come out to talk to Sally, and just took it to a higher level. This proves that Hope is a decent person. She wanted Sally to know how sorry she was. But this is what Hope needs. Open up, let it out. Talk about Beth; say her name. I really think yelling at Sally helped her. I hate anger. I find it a wasted, useless emotion. It stresses you out and debilitates your life. But it does have it's uses. I am so glad Hope and Sally were able to bond. 

[RedRockRosie]

Wow @RuntheTable...you said it better than I did. I was the same with the tears & catches in my breath, sniffling, coughing, eye scrunching, tissue grabbing. Hope is so real....you could feel the waves of grief just repeatedly washing over & over her. You just drown in it and then  if you are lucky, someone throws you a lifeline. Yeah, I was so glad to see her come out...wonder what else Liam said to her in their room. Nice to see the support from him.

And yes to your entire post but especially what you said about the anger.

((HUGS)) to all those who have grieved & are grieving. Tough place to be......

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Annika is a shoe in for an Emmy for her performance!  Scott is also right up there, great acting!

[CharlizeCat]

@RunTheTable, I am so sorry for you and your family's loss.

I am glad that Hope talked to Sally and that they apologized to each other, although I don't think any apologies were really necessary, given the circumstances.  When Hope reached out to take Sally's hand and they hugged, I knew that everything would be OK between those two. It would be great if they could become friends, as I don't really trust Hauxdi.

I didn't mind the scenes with Batie, Thorne and Will.  I felt it was a nice contrast with the heavy, intense, Lope scenes. However, the happy family scenes should have been fewer and shorter. We didn't need to be hit over the head about the inevitable Batie reunion.  C'mon, with Will asking, "Dad, do you love Mom? Mom, do you love, Dad?" I was half expecting a tag team of Justin and Carter to show up with annulment papers and a wedding manual. /eyeroll.  I think Will is cute and he has such great chemistry with DD.

I agree that the foursome today knocked it out of the park. People not afraid to ruin their makeup or hair, actually being to emote ... and ACT!

@RunTheTable, I am so sorry for you and your family's loss.

I am glad that Hope talked to Sally and that they apologized to each other, although I don't think any apologies were really necessary, given the circumstances.  When Hope reached out to take Sally's hand and they hugged, I knew that everything would be OK between those two. It would be great if they could become friends, as I don't really trust Hauxdi.

I didn't mind the scenes with Batie, Thorne and Will.  I felt it was a nice contrast with the heavy, intense, Lope scenes. However, the happy family scenes should have been fewer and shorter. We didn't need to be hit over the head about the inevitable Batie reunion.  C'mon, with Will asking, "Dad, do you love Mom? Mom, do you love, Dad?" I was half expecting a tag team of Justin and Carter to show up with annulment papers and a wedding ceremony script. /eyeroll.  I think Will is cute and he has such great chemistry with DD.

I agree that the foursome today knocked it out of the park. People not afraid to ruin their makeup or hair, actually being to emote ... and ACT!

Edited January 19, 2019 by CharlizeCat

[Joimiaroxeu]

Sally, when you find youself in a hole, stop digging. Learn to read a room ya moron. And stop acting like you're a victim too. GTF over yourself. 😑

Heh, Will's like, "I got my dad back. Why is Thorne still here, mommy?" Meanwhile, Thorne's like, "I've made a terrible mistake. Guess I'll just go walk into the ocean and disappear."

Aw, they hugged it out. No, seriously? After the faux pas of the decade? 😐

I think AN has been killing it this week, putting in that work for the Emmy. However, Sally's appearance with the puppy felt shoehorned in to me. I just don't see her doing something so boneheaded, or even Wyatt not trying harder to stop her. Maybe the writers should've tried harder to figure out a way to bring Sally into the story.

[RuntheTable]

11 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

I was half expecting a tag team of Justin and Carter to show up with annulment papers and a wedding manual. /eyeroll. 

I would absolutely have stopped ff'ding if I had seen those two! You just know shit is going down when Justin is on the scene, I kinda imagine it like this:

Carter? Not so much, but you still know someone is getting married or divorced. Or wants to adopt a kid. Or needs a criminal attorney to prove they didn't shoot someone. 

[mightysparrow]

@RuntheTable, thank you for sharing such a heartbreaking story. 

I'm not watching right now but I can't help feeling that the reason so many people are sharing their own stories of grief and loss is because AN and SC are doing such an amazing job of showing what REAL grief looks like.  Not soap-opera grief where the hair stays in place and the makeup doesn't run, but real, RAW grief where you want to cry and scream until your throat bleeds.

I like Sally a lot but bringing a puppy to a woman who just lost her child is criminally stupid.  A dog can give a lot of love and companionship but it's not a substitute for a human being.  And she should definitely have spoken to Wyatt before she made that gesture on their behalf.  Wyatt would have stopped her cold.

I'm so glad that Hope and Wyatt had a chance to talk about their loss.  That's one of the things that's thrown at Hope.  That she's so 'shallow' she doesn't care about losing the child she had with Wyatt.  Well, now we know that's not true.  She's never forgotten and neither has Wyatt. Just because they've moved on doesn't mean they've forgotten.  Losing Beth is different and harder for Hope because she HELD Beth in her arms.  And her mommy sixth sense is telling her that her baby girl is out there somewhere. 

I want Liam and Hope to work through this.  Maybe he'll be tempted by the slattern but in the end, it would be great if this tragedy made him realize that Hope is his love, has always been and even though he loves his daughter and cares for her mother, his place is with his WIFE.  It would be nice if Liam realized that a relationship is a PARTNERSHIP and it's doesn't always have to be about him.  That would be a good place for Beth to return.  I don't think it's going to happen (which is why I'm not watching) but I'd love it if it did.

[bannana]

On ‎2019‎-‎01‎-‎13 at 2:06 PM, ByTor said:

I'm glad I'm not a Taylor fan.  I don't even like her & I'm really mad at what they are doing to her character.  Taylor is a "do as I say not as I do" type, she was never intentionally cruel.  Even when she killed Darla, she stupidly listened to Lorenzo Lamas & didn't confess when she wanted to, but she played it as so conflicted that even I felt sorry for her.  But yeah, @Anna Yolei, no matter what she does, she isn't going to come out of this looking good.

Wait, what? Lorenzo Lamas was on this show?

[ByTor]

4 hours ago, bannana said:

Wait, what? Lorenzo Lamas was on this show?

Yep, he was Hector...I believe he was a fireman.

[Petunia13]

Yep and Lorenzo I think began briefly dating Hunter Tylo in rl after being on show. His character was a fireman and his daughter played by Kayla Ewell dated Thomas and Rick I believe. Her mom was played by Sydney Penny. 

On that note I think they should trim some fat in the cast and bring on a non-Forrester male lead with a 20-something year old son. If neither are waffles or jerks that would be nifty too. 

The dog was cute 😍🐶 i would love to have Sally’s hair and body! 

[Anna Yolei]

19 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Heh, Will's like, "I got my dad back. Why is Thorne still here, mommy?" Meanwhile, Thorne's like, "I've made a terrible mistake. Guess I'll just go walk into the ocean and disappear."

Normally, this is the part where I rant and bitch about what bullshit it is that bio family is the one that matters, but I really don't give any shits. Nothing about that custody case was in his best interest.  I only wish Will had been five years older as a pre-teen to really be an asshole.

Fuck him. I'll help him pack his bags.