Spoiler Discussion Thread

[thegirlsleuth]

Also, The Count of Monte Cristo as Oliver's prison reading: A man who is wrongly imprisoned who escapes from jail and then spends the rest of his life getting revenge on the people who put him there.  As an adventure/revenge story it's fun, but the book does some nuanced things around forgiveness and the hero hurting both the guilty and the innocent. Do I think that Arrow will wrestle with those nuances?  Hahahahaha.

[Mary0360]

40 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I've always preferred they have a baby near the end of the series or even series finale. I just don't appreciate DR saying it's gonna happen and then everyone taking it back in really dismissive and kinda rude ways. The whole question could've been avoided if DR hadn't told someone at a con. It feels like they're messing with the Olicity fandom and I don't appreciate it.

I can't stop laughing about the BS being DA thing though. shdfkjhsdjfjdf

Yeah that's where I'm at too. If there's no baby I'll survive but don't act like jerks about it, and I'm sorry Emily was coming off like a total jerk in that E! Clip.  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Mary0360 said:

Yeah that's where I'm at too. If there's no baby I'll survive but don't act like jerks about it, and I'm sorry Emily was coming off like a total jerk in that E! Clip.  

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate her not wanting it. We all have our opinions. But she's an actress, she should put her personal disgust/issues aside and maybe be a bit more diplomatic when answering. Her dismissal of it is just rude tbh. I like EBR but...not impressed.

[apinknightmare]

I don't care about the baby one way or another apart from the idea of them having something good happen to them for once was appealing, but people probably wouldn't even dream that a baby would be possible in a season where Oliver starts out being in prison for a long time. The only reason they're asking is because David told quite a few people that it was happening, and surely they all know that by now? So handling the whole thing with a little more sensitivity would've been nice. 

[Mary0360]

6 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate her not wanting it. We all have our opinions. But she's an actress, she should put her personal disgust/issues aside and maybe be a bit more diplomatic when answering. Her dismissal of it is just rude tbh. I like EBR but...not impressed.

As somebody else I spoke to said it seems like it's clouded in Emily's personal views on children, and so far I'm reading into that she finds the idea of children disgusting.  Nice. I also felt it came of jerky given Stephen and Beth already gave an answer. 

 

Shes an actress. If she intends on having a career after Arrow I'm assuming she's going to play a whole bunch of characters and storylines she doesn't agree with or feels differently on. 

[Primal Slayer]

Trailer was interesting...I am thinking that Felicity/Diaz/William scene is a dream of Diaz's?

I really hope they dont have Laurel acting as ADA or anything having to do with being a lawyer. Maybe they are using her as a spokesperson of some sort, fingers crossed! 

With Bronz Tiger being alive, this wouldnt be the first time they contradicted themselves right when it came to the comics? Though why should he stay dead when everyone else is alive?

[apinknightmare]

I wonder if the reprehensible thing Oliver does involves kicking this lil guy's ass (or doing something that results in him getting his ass kicked). 

[JamieLynn832002]

4 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Trailer was interesting...I am thinking that Felicity/Diaz/William scene is a dream of Diaz's?

I was thinking Oliver or Felicity but Diaz makes a lot of sense. I hope it's someone's dream and the in-hiding child of the Green Arrow isn't actually running around in a green hoodie with his not remotely disguised step-mother. If it's not a dream, Felicity, William and/or A.R.G.U.S. are bad at hiding (I know, historically, William is but I'd like to think Felicity and A.R.G.U.S. are better.)

[Primal Slayer]

8 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I wonder if the reprehensible thing Oliver does involves kicking this lil guy's ass (or doing something that results in him getting his ass kicked). 

Im kind of wondering if it is kind of the opposite? Like an inmate comes to him for help and he refuses the guy ends up dead?

[apinknightmare]

5 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Im kind of wondering if it is kind of the opposite? Like an inmate comes to him for help and he refuses the guy ends up dead?

Yeah, that too - something bad involving that guy in particular. 

[KenyaJ]

It would be fitting if a lame ass villain like Diaz was dreaming about killing an innocent woman and chlld rather than Oliver. Despite that, I think it would make more sense for the dream to be Felicity's or Oliver's.

But yes, I hoped that if Felicity and William are in protective custody, they wouldn't look exactly like themselves. I was hoping EBR would get to have some fun and have red or brunette hair.

 

Anyway, this interview is amusing. SA tries to play the "Who says Oliver is getting out of prison?" game until one of the interviewers notes that he obviously has to be out to be involved in the Batwoman storyline in the crossover. LOL. Checkmate. Also, speaking of the beard, he says, "I don't know if it'll last, I feel like it's a little bit of a prison look. So if he's lucky enough to get out... I don't know, we'll see." No, we will not see. It has to go. That had better be Felicity's first demand when he's released.

[lemotomato]

7 minutes ago, KenyaJ said:

Also, speaking of the beard, he says, "I don't know if it'll last, I feel like it's a little bit of a prison look. So if he's lucky enough to get out... I don't know, we'll see." No, we will not see. It has to go. That had better be Felicity's first demand when he's released

It should be the first item on the list of “things to do to earn my wife’s forgiveness” when he gets out.

[apinknightmare]

13 minutes ago, KenyaJ said:

would be fitting if a lame ass villain like Diaz was dreaming about killing an innocent woman and chlld rather than Oliver. Despite that, I think it would make more sense for the dream to be Felicity's or Oliver's.

I wonder if it’s Oliver’s and him sitting up at the beginning of the trailer is him waking up from it. Then he lays back down and looks at their picture? 

[lemotomato]

3 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I wonder if it’s Oliver’s and him sitting up at the beginning of the trailer is him waking up from it. Then he lays back down and looks at their picture? 

That would work if they want to bring back the "running through the woods" POV to start the episode. Surprise! It's William!

[scarynikki12]

I know you guys were worried about Ralph moderating but he did well. He stayed on point for the most part and kept the focus on OTA and Beth, with one question to Rick. I’m assuming Cassidy didn’t come up so as not to draw attention to her absence. He asked some questions about Quentin and Paul instead. 

Amell did flat out say that Oliver was stupid in the finale so we may learn what he really thinks down the road. They all showed lots of enthusiasm for Beth so the work environment should be great if nothing else. 

I really do think Diaz isn’t long for the show. Otherwise I think Kirk would have been there. 

[Chaser]

If anyone is bummed at the lack of Felicity/Diggle in the trailer, just watch The Flash trailer. It’s all Barry/Nora, the other characters got basically nil. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Chaser said:

If anyone is bummed at the lack of Felicity/Diggle in the trailer, just watch The Flash trailer. It’s all Barry/Nora, the other characters got basically nil. 

Why would we put ourselves through that? LOL. 

[KenyaJ]

39 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

Amell did flat out say that Oliver was stupid in the finale so we may learn what he really thinks down the road.

I loved Emily pointing out that Felicity told him he was being stupid. They have the husband/wife thing down pat.

[statsgirl]

My favourite part of the sizzle reel is Oliver having a copy of The Count of Monte Cristo.  Nice meta-statement.

I can see the appeal of Oliver meeting his former foes in prison. But it's the team interactions that make me watch the show and so far there's nothing that interest me from the sizzle reel.  Sure the naked men are pretty but that will hold my attention for only about 4 minutes.

Diaz:  Oliver Queen took everything from me. I'm going to enjoy taking everything from him.  Me: What exactly did Diaz have?  Control, yes, but no family, no one who cared about him.

Black Siren, who doesn't have an education, being the DA is even work than those soap operas where 19 year olds run giant corporations.  Even if she's just a random city official, Laurel being outed as the Black Canary in s4 means it's the highest hypocrisy of her to be free and anti-vigilante.  At least the show is consist that in terms of Laurel, it still can't find a way to put her into the story in an organic and logical way.

Plus I miss Pure Evil BS.

3 hours ago, thegirlsleuth said:

I had hope that Beth might do something to hook me back in.  I'm not hooked. 

Yeah.  I don't need an Olicity baby but I do need something that's going to make me excited to tune in. So far, the only thing is this board.

6 hours ago, JJ928 said:

Any other network and I would agree with this 100%... but this is CW lol. I'm just remembering how adamant David was about the baby then to turn around and backtrack, the same weekend SA said they got e-mails from Beth re:spoilers. As for Emily, my guess is she knows it's coming but doesn't want it, and I can't blame her. This is the same woman who said that show always promises her story arcs but never delivers, she may see a baby as another way for them to not write for her.

Also, let's not forget SA saying he was absolutely not outing himself as GA lol. These people need better PR.

I can't upvote this more than once, so I'm just going to put the whole quote here.

[BkWurm1]

4 hours ago, JamieLynn832002 said:

I was thinking Oliver or Felicity but Diaz makes a lot of sense. I hope it's someone's dream and the in-hiding child of the Green Arrow isn't actually running around in a green hoodie with his not remotely disguised step-mother. If it's not a dream, Felicity, William and/or A.R.G.U.S. are bad at hiding (I know, historically, William is but I'd like to think Felicity and A.R.G.U.S. are better.)

Reading you guy’s comments has reassured me. I saw the promo and the scene with Diaz and the gun and combined it with a comment SA made in one of his interviews about some happening at the end of the first episode that shocked him ( right after he was asked if fans influenced the direction of the writing) and then threaded Beth’s comments about the theme of the season being redemption and people pointing out Felicity doesn’t need redemption and came up with Diaz actually finding and killing William and Felicity broken over having failed to keep him safe.  

A dream is MUCH more likely.  Phew

Edited July 22, 2018 by BkWurm1

[bijoux]

6 hours ago, apinknightmare said:

I hope DR feels real bad every time someone asks this question, LOL. 

What if she's not DA, but is somehow the mayor? hahahaha

Maybe SC decided to make the job of mayor hereditary and sheninherited the spot from Daddy. 

3 hours ago, lemotomato said:

That would work if they want to bring back the "running through the woods" POV to start the episode. Surprise! It's William!

That actually would be pretty cool, I'm all for it. 

Did I blink or was there no Curtis in the reel? Don't dangle the dream of him getting off the show in front of my nose. 

[olicityfan25]

4 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Im kind of wondering if it is kind of the opposite? Like an inmate comes to him for help and he refuses the guy ends up dead?

Kind of like that one Prison Break episode in season 1.

[Mellowyellow]

I was thinking about why I'm so annoyed this time more than any other season and realised it's not even because we're not getting an Olicity baby. 

I kinda had faith that Beth would be a different show runner. 

Then we get that comment about how S7 will be dark, redemption etc (like that worked out so well for them last season) and I realised she's probably no better than MG or WM. Very disappointing. 

It's going to be the same badly written misery porn that thinks it's clever. Directed by Shakey Cam Bamford of course. 

Edited July 22, 2018 by Mellowyellow

[DeadZeus]

I like the thought of Oliver kicking ass in Jail. But i'd also like for some inmates to fear him… Or atleast know what he's capable of and try not to mess with him… They know he's a badass yet they still think it's a good idea to screw with him… Some inmates hating him but being to afraid to make a move would be pretty cool imo.

Oliver shouldn't keep his head down... He should stand tall and look them straight in the eye to show em who's boss... That would be badass… Dno why they took this "coward" direction.. it seems out of character for him

Love how everytime someone else wears the suit they are so badass lol. If it's Roy, where did he get all this skill? He seemed pretty weak in S6, i was thinking the reason he would come back in S7 would be extra training.

Edited July 22, 2018 by DeadZeus

[Belinea]

Maybe I am just not paying that much attention this time round but is Diaz really going to be the only villain again this season? Apart from Oliver being his own enemy again. 

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, Belinea said:

Maybe I am just not paying that much attention this time round but is Diaz really going to be the only villain again this season? Apart from Oliver being his own enemy again. 

No, some villains were announced yesterday:

[Soulfire]

[tv echo]

The familiar-looking inmates in prison with Oliver are Derek Sampson, Bronze Tiger and Danny Brickwell.

Edited July 22, 2018 by tv echo

[BunsenBurner]

12 hours ago, Angel12d said:

Yeah, I mean, I appreciate her not wanting it. We all have our opinions. But she's an actress, she should put her personal disgust/issues aside and maybe be a bit more diplomatic when answering. Her dismissal of it is just rude tbh. I like EBR but...not impressed.

Don’t forget CaddyMack got to her early and told her not to have kids. EBR also said in several interviews before SDCC that it has creeped her out with all the photoshopped pictures of her pg. 

[way2interested]

6 hours ago, bijoux said:

Did I blink or was there no Curtis in the reel? Don't dangle the dream of him getting off the show in front of my nose. 

No, and I'm still wondering if he's actually in 701 at all.

Like, I'm guessing now that the breakdown in 701 is dream sequence-Oliver's plot-Diggle connection-city plot-Roy as GA appears-Felicity plot and then ends (not the surprising last scene SA was talking about, just generally) with Felicity with Diggle's help getting the band back together (her fight back line) to take us into 702, which would have both the good guys and the bad guys trying to collect their team members. Then we would find out what Curtis has been up to, meet the new characters, etc.

[tv echo]

Another Batwoman audition video (same audition scenes as before)...

Gabrielle Bourne - Batwoman
Posted: July 21, 2018, by Gabrielle Walsh

[tv echo]

Apparently there's one scene in 701 where Oliver doesn't act very heroically (not the prison shower scene). Also, Beth said that S7 is tonally similar to S1 in terms of darkness and that she plans to do something special for the 150th episode (712, I believe)...

Stephen Amell hopes people get 'super-pissed' at Oliver in Arrow season 7 [VIDEO]
CHRISTIAN HOLUB  and CHANCELLOR AGARD  July 21, 2018 at 10:14 PM EDT
http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/21/arrow-stephen-amell-teases-season-7-comic-con/

Edited July 22, 2018 by tv echo

[tv echo]

This comment by SA is making me a little nervous about what happens at the end of 701 (transcribed from Lisa Steinberg video of SA interview, just posted in Spoilers thread) - I'm thinking a surprise death...

-- On the Arrow fans being so passionate about the show and whether the fans' suggestions affect the story somehow or the actors' performances, SA: "No. Not at all. Um, the premiere, the last scene in the premiere, okay, like, affected me - by the way, I'm not in it, okay? - affected me in a way I hadn't been affected since like, I think, like Season 2. Right? I read it and was like, 'Oh shit! Really? Oh, wow.' And so I'm glad that seven years in, we get to do stuff like that. But no, I think, you can't let fan suggestions, like, dictate what you do. Right? You got to do your own thing."

Edited July 22, 2018 by tv echo

[way2interested]

It's probably the obligatory premiere twist to set up the season, so it is up in the air for whether it will be interesting or not. SA gets more surprised by things than we do though, since we normally end up finding out before the episode comes out. I wonder if it'll be something to do with Roy, like something additional besides him (probably) being the new GA

[apinknightmare]

Colton was filming with Emily in the forest like area that it looks like that scene with William was filmed, wasn't he? If I'm not misremembering, I wonder what that's about. 

[Trisha]

1 minute ago, apinknightmare said:

Colton was filming with Emily in the forest like area that it looks like that scene with William was filmed, wasn't he? If I'm not misremembering, I wonder what that's about. 

Yeah, that’s why I’m not super convinced the Felicity/William stuff in the trailer is a dream. Assuming it was shot when EBR & CH were filming in that forests/beach area, why would Felicity or Oliver dream about Roy? It’s possible it’s really happening, and Roy from another earth swoops in to save them, which leads to Felicity getting the gang back together (EBR’s comments about being more of a leader and fighting back.)

For what “reprehensible” thing Oliver does in prison, it can’t just be killing someone because that wouldn’t even make the audience blink at this point. I think that he lets someone get beat up or die.  There’s that brief scene in the trailer when a beat up inmate walks past his cell and Oliver looks down guiltily.  Someone on Twitter also suggested that maybe Dig offers a way to contact Felicity & William and he turns it down, which would also work.

[Mellowyellow]

1 hour ago, BunsenBurner said:

Don’t forget CaddyMack got to her early and told her not to have kids. EBR also said in several interviews before SDCC that it has creeped her out with all the photoshopped pictures of her pg. 

Ooh do you mean that Carina woman?

Tell me the goss!!!!!

Edited July 22, 2018 by Mellowyellow

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, Trisha said:

Yeah, that’s why I’m not super convinced the Felicity/William stuff in the trailer is a dream. Assuming it was shot when EBR & CH were filming in that forests/beach area, why would Felicity or Oliver dream about Roy? It’s possible it’s really happening, and Roy from another earth swoops in to save them, which leads to Felicity getting the gang back together (EBR’s comments about being more of a leader and fighting back.)

Yeah, I thought it was a dream at first, but started thinking about it and remembered that Colton was there too. It follow's Diaz's character trajectory that he'd somehow be able to get to them in custody despite being a total idiot. 

[tv echo]

Media recap of yesterday's Arrow panel (including spoilers)...

SDCC: Arrow Cast & Crew Declassify Season 7
by Meagan Damore   July 21, 2018
https://www.cbr.com/sdcc-2018-arrow-season-7/

[Chaser]

SAs comment about serving his sentence no matter what makes me think Felicity/Diggle/Roy or someone suggest trying to break him out and he refuses. 

Im so much more curious about Felicity/Roy and the beach then anything else. Everything in Star City seems pretty predictable. 

Would they do E2 Roy? Idk how that would work. 

[apinknightmare]

9 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Would they do E2 Roy? Idk how that would work. 

E-1 Roy would make more sense to me, since he knows and loves Felicity and would have a reason to follow her and make sure she and William are safe. I'm not sure how they'd write him leaving Thea in a satisfactory way that doesn't involve a breakup, but if Colton's back on the show for an extended period of time, maybe it's best that they write in a breakup so people aren't wondering what's going on with Thea in offscreensville. 

ETA: I just remembered that Colton said he's not coming back as the "same Roy Harper" - so maybe he meant that literally and it is E-whatever Roy, LOL

Edited July 22, 2018 by apinknightmare

[way2interested]

2 minutes ago, Trisha said:

Yeah, that’s why I’m not super convinced the Felicity/William stuff in the trailer is a dream. Assuming it was shot when EBR & CH were filming in that forests/beach area, why would Felicity or Oliver dream about Roy? It’s possible it’s really happening, and Roy from another earth swoops in to save them, which leads to Felicity getting the gang back together (EBR’s comments about being more of a leader and fighting back.)

It would make way more sense in terms of pushing Felicity to act, although I am wonder if they'll be able to resist starting the season with running (especially with William wearing the same hoodie Oliver wore in s4) because parallels. Maybe it's both, though now I think this makes more sense.

5 minutes ago, Trisha said:

I think that he lets someone get beat up or die.  There’s that brief scene in the trailer when a beat up inmate walks past his cell and Oliver looks down guiltily.  Someone on Twitter also suggested that maybe Dig offers a way to contact Felicity & William and he turns it down, which would also work.

I think it's both or something like it. Oliver doesn't save someone and that pushes him to question the point of all of this. Like, if he willingly chooses not to help someone/be a hero because the separation/prison pushed him that far, maybe it's best not to be one then decides that he doesn't want to leave or face his family with this.

[tv echo]

Another media recap of yesterday's Arrow panel (with spoilers)...

Arrow at SDCC 2018: Everything we learned from the panel
by Alexandria Ingham  July 21, 2018
https://hiddenremote.com/2018/07/21/arrow-sdcc-2018-panel/

Edited July 22, 2018 by tv echo

[Chaser]

I’m still going to be wondering what’s up with Thea. Brother in prison, sister in law and nephew being hunted by mad man. 

I’m glad Thea got a happy ending but in shows like this it creates a lot of stuff you have to ignore. 

[apinknightmare]

Disregard

Edited July 22, 2018 by apinknightmare

[JamieLynn832002]

Am I the only one slightly worried that they're gonna kill Thea? Something about SA's comment about being shocked in way he hasn't been since season 2 coupled with CH talking about a new Roy makes me nervous. I'm not sure they could pull it off without WH but they still seem to think Diaz is a viable villain/character so I'm not convinced that would stop them.

[Trisha]

10 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I’m still going to be wondering what’s up with Thea. Brother in prison, sister in law and nephew being hunted by mad man. 

I’m glad Thea got a happy ending but in shows like this it creates a lot of stuff you have to ignore. 

Also, if there is a doppelgänger of your boyfriend running around Star City, that’s something you should probably be told about. Maybe there will be a throwaway line about how she’s in Nanda Parbat and unreachable, or she’s been apprised of the situation but told to stay away because Diaz is too dangerous? One thing I really like about the idea of Roy being from another earth is that it allows the show to have CH return without completely torpedoing Thea’s happy ending. She earned it; it would suck if they took it away just a half a season after giving it to her. 

If the forest scene in the trailer isn’t a dream, how great would it be if Roy-as-GA killed Diaz in episode 1? Him saving them and revealing himself to Felicity and William could be the final scene that SA talked about that affected him but didn’t include him. And it gets Felicity out of protective custody, which I just don’t see lasting for more than one episode. We already have Oliver off on his own island (for way longer than we assumed, it seems). It would be super dumb to keep her separated for a significant amount of time as well. 

[Guest]

If that Felicity and William scene isn't a dream, it kinda adds up with why I think Felicity probably takes them out of witness protection and moves back to SC to be team leader? If Diaz still manages to find them she probably wonders what's even the point in being in protective custody for all the good it does. It would be better if she was around people she knew and in control of the team to do things her way. 

That being said, it also works if it is a nightmare. Being William's only parent now, his safety probably weighs on her and she'll likely feel helpless if she's far away from everything and everyone she knows. She'd be isolated. So leaving witness protection by the end of 701 might be something she feels is best?

As for the reprehensible thing Oliver does, I can't think of anything that would shock this audience tbh. We've seen him snap necks ffs. I did wonder if someone in prison goes to him for help and he refuses and that person then gets killed. But I wouldn't exactly call that reprehensible. So I have no clue.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Guest

[Chaser]

If it is E2 Roy, I wonder if Felicity brings him in. Maybe she contacts Cisco (he can open the portals right?). 

[Primal Slayer]

19 minutes ago, JamieLynn832002 said:

Am I the only one slightly worried that they're gonna kill Thea? Something about SA's comment about being shocked in way he hasn't been since season 2 coupled with CH talking about a new Roy makes me nervous. I'm not sure they could pull it off without WH but they still seem to think Diaz is a viable villain/character so I'm not convinced that would stop them.

I highly doubt they'd kill Thea off screen.