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Spencer said "You're a prince among drivers."

I think.

Well that makes more sense than Irish.  Was Chandler also the servant that Spencer had dive into the frigid waters to retrieve the ballot box?

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Olivia's annoyance was great, especially because she was the one in the first place who asked Ned who he thought the father could be.  Hee.  She doesn't really have much high ground when it comes to slagging Julian. Liv, you don't want a baby daddy who's a mobster? Stop sleeping with them!

So true. I think she was embarrassed that if not Julian, the obvious potential baby daddies were two other Port Charles mobsters. He knows Sonny can/has knocked up  Carly, Alexis and Ava regardless of circumstances and/or relationship status, and that Johnny could find a way to hook up with Olivia either while in Pentonville or after his recent escape. 

 

Ned must feel like he's in an....interesting...situation, to be close to two women who have both gotten pregnant by Sonny and Julian. Alexis had Julian's baby when she was a teen; Olivia had Sonny's baby when she was a teen. Then adult Alexis got pregnant from the ONS with Sonny, and Ned claimed to be the father to protect her. Now adult Olivia is pregnant by Julian, and I think we can guess what Ned will say next.  

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I think Chandler might be the perfect POV character for a "Upstairs/Downstairs"-type episode set at Wyndemere.

 

I just want a murder mystery with Spencer as the victim and Alfred, Chandler, and all the other staff at Wyndemere all look at each other like "um yeah who would EVER do such a thing, there there Master Nikolas . . . "

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I have the feeling that NuJason will not be happy when he recovers all his Jason Morgan memories. After all the complaining he did today about killing on orders from Helena.

 

 

 

Well, let's hope he's not happy!  If Jake goes rushing back to Sonny's side when he gets his memory back, the whole story of Jason dying and everything about Jake and the mind control and Liz taking him in would have been for nothing.  It's a much better story if he is repulsed by who he used to be, can't fall back in love with Sam, and becomes a true friend to Michael, regretting all the danger and criminal activity he exposed Michael to over the years.  And then we get to watch Sonny and Carly try to come to terms that Jason wants nothing to do with them, and I'm sure they'll treat Jason the same way they've been treating Michael - we know you love us, why don't you just get over this already?  Of course, since that would be the better story, I'm sure that's not the one we'll get.  Instead, I bet he re-joins Sonny's organization (of 4 - Sonny, Max (did he ever recover from his bullet wound?), Shawn and Duke), and then works Michael to get him to forgive Sonny & Carly.  Not something I want to see at all. 

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"We found his body at the base of the parapet, Master Nikolas.  And we definitely did not high five over it, no sir!"

 

"But luckily sir, Master Spencer asked me to get a double breasted suit with a cummberbund so at least it won't go to waste!"

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Okay, this is a couple of days late, but I was thoroughly charmed by Constance Towers when, as Helena, she began teaching Spencer to waltz. You see, I saw her on Broadway in "The King and I" with Yul Brynner back in 1977, so when she curtseyed and said "Shall we dance?" I got goosebumps. That was nearly 40 years ago, and CT's still got it! When I met her, about 10 years ago, I pulled out my Playbill from that performance, and she was thrilled. She spent time telling me all sorts of wonderful backstage stories. She is one gracious lady, and for that and many other reasons, I'm glad Hells is back from the dead!

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My only problem with Helena teaching Spencer to dance is that there is no way in the world that Helena would do that.  I know that sometimes people soften in their old age, especially with their youngest relatives, but I just don't believe Helena has that many sides to her.  Which is unfortunate because otherwise I would have really liked that scene.  Spencer (who I like, out here in the cold all by myself) would absolutely want to waltz at his birthday party, and it would be great if Helena really did have more layers rather than always being so villainous and cruel.  

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Well, let's hope he's not happy!  If Jake goes rushing back to Sonny's side when he gets his memory back, the whole story of Jason dying and everything about Jake and the mind control and Liz taking him in would have been for nothing.  It's a much better story if he is repulsed by who he used to be, can't fall back in love with Sam, and becomes a true friend to Michael, regretting all the danger and criminal activity he exposed Michael to over the years.  And then we get to watch Sonny and Carly try to come to terms that Jason wants nothing to do with them, and I'm sure they'll treat Jason the same way they've been treating Michael - we know you love us, why don't you just get over this already?  Of course, since that would be the better story, I'm sure that's not the one we'll get.  Instead, I bet he re-joins Sonny's organization (of 4 - Sonny, Max (did he ever recover from his bullet wound?), Shawn and Duke), and then works Michael to get him to forgive Sonny & Carly.  Not something I want to see at all. 

Ah, the show in our heads is so much better than the dreck they give us.  I would love to see this.  I think BM could pull it off.  My version has an end of a real Jarly relationship where Jake can get through the devastation that Carly is covering over, how she tried to replace her loss of Jason by connecting with a man she initially thought was Jason's twin brother. Jason is always at the root of Carly, always has been.  She accepted being his BFF because that's all he would give her. 

 

I despised the S&C pairing after the hate sex and I was almost glad to see SJB leave so that pain would be lessened.  I could handle S&C being exes who sometimes boinked, had this connection, just so long as they didn't try to make them be together for reals.  I guess my inability to watch Carly now is because of this.  

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After seeing my neurosurgeon's bill, if Patrick Drake is even half as good, he should be a millionaire by now lol! All of his patients would be in debt over their heads unless they were able to work out something with the surgeon's office. Because the insurance company -- if you're lucky -- pays half. And yet Patrick is going to perform delicate, ELECTIVE brain surgery on an indigent patient? So he's willing to waive his fee, but what about the hospital? Just stupid.

 

Yeah, somehow I don't think either Medicare (does "brainwashed by an evil international criminal" qualify for disability??) or state medicaid will pay for removing devices from someone's brain...or for removing heads from asses...

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Carly is fucking delusional.  Self-pity and entitlement are Sonny's middle names, the core of his soul, the defining characteristics of his personality.  Why do these two wastes of characters continue to be the center of this show and win over everyone else?  I do not get it.

 

At least Anna is back and Michael and Ned are kicking ass. 

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Carly rather Michael be raised and grow up surrounded by murderers and unsafe. Kidnappings, mobsters, jail, bullets. She got what she wanted, she and Sonny deserve Michael hating them.

 

Is Sonny serious, Avery's safe with him? How does he say that with a straight face? Michael's right, nobody is safe around him. When has any of the children been safe with him? Michael did point it out right, Alexis hid Kristina's paternity, Olivia hid Dante's paternity, Morgan got sent away. Brenda left with her child because it wasn't safe around him. How many times did the kids especially Michael get sent to the island for protection?

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Sonny is such a douche.  "I have to stay away from the mob during the custody case because the court might view it as an unsafe environment for a child.  But once I have possession of my property...I mean, custody of my baby...I'm back in for sure!".  Urgh.

 

Welcome back, Special Agent Devane.  I think the show wants us to be rooting for Anna and Sloane to hit the sheets, but I just want her to wipe his smug ass off the face of the planet.

 

The fuck...off-screen Skye gave her ELQ shares to Luke?  Oh Skye, you let me down.

 

Oh Nikolas, oh you Prince of Douchey Tides, you are a hypocritical ass.

 

Fuckin' die, Carly.

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So amused at Carly literally crying to Sam that she's now living her worst nightmare, that Michael is no longer the fixer in the family, and is using what he learned from growing up with her, Jason and Sonny against Sonny. Annoyed at Sam saying Sonny's devoted to his children, but a little redeemed that she said Carly must admit the kids were in danger in the past because of Sonny and she's not all "oh Carly, you poor poor thing" or praising Sonny and wondering how Michael could do such a thing.

 

So funny - Olivia's "oh shit" look when the doc's assistant said they'd reschedule in front of Julexis and Ned. Julian IS a jackass - go Ned!

 

Loved Michael's "oh GIVE ME A BREAK" look when Sonny lied to him about him not being associated with the organization anymore and that Avery is safe with him. Everything Michael said about himself and his siblings was spot-on, and Sonny looking wounded at the truth is just funny. I laughed at Sonny's "WTF?" expression at Michael yelling "Get out of my house!"  S&C are just so STUPID.

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After seeing my neurosurgeon's bill, if Patrick Drake is even half as good, he should be a millionaire by now lol! All of his patients would be in debt over their heads unless they were able to work out something with the surgeon's office. Because the insurance company -- if you're lucky -- pays half. And yet Patrick is going to perform delicate, ELECTIVE brain surgery on an indigent patient? So he's willing to waive his fee, but what about the hospital? Just stupid.

 

I'm loath to defend ANYTHING Ron Carlivati writes, so I must decontaminate myself after this post, but Patrick does have a precedent of caring about patients. He went over the administrator's head to care for a woman with AIDS back when he and Robin were starting out (and were great to watch). It was the same episode - or around that time - when they broke into Kelly's during a power outage and ate cake. Ah, the good old days. Before Ron, before Patrick was a horny pod... (He was ALWAYS horny, but he once fought like hell FOR Robin...)

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I decided I would make a game and drink every time someone said the name "Sonny" today and then I realized that I would be drunk until Easter so I had to put that off.

 

The Sam and Carly scenes...good god. From the Sonny ass kissing to the "bonding" over Jason...I needed them both slapped.

 

So Nik, of course, decides stealing away ELQ for his own selfish benefits is better than being a decent human being, what a shock.

 

It was quite mean of the show to tease Jason dying again. I knew it was pointless to get my hopes up but nonetheless...

 

So Julian's brain has started working again, he actually paid attention to all the glaring neon coloured clues that pointed to Olivia being with child.

 

But of course Ned decides to "come to her rescue" and claim to be the father of yet another baby that isn't his and has a mobster father and I...no comment.

 

It's all just too stupid and juvenile and lazy for words. Like Ron himself.

 

 

 

Why do these two wastes of characters continue to be the center of this show and win over everyone else?

 

 

 

Ratings.

 

Until Sonny and Carly actually chase away enough viewers to matter they aren't going anywhere. And so far, as sad as this is for me to admit, viewership is holding fine and steady so far.

 

They don't sink this show, according to the numbers they're what help keep it afloat and until that changes nothing else will and they won't be made into "losers", not by a long-shot. Carly and Sonny will remain head honchos with all else revolving around them. And now with "Jason" getting back into the mix it's only going to get worse, imho.

 

 

 

Does Nik care about Robin? Are the viewers really supposed to let this go? Really?

 

 

 

Ron doesn't give a damn therefore any whom actually do will be "ignored", and probably blocked on his Twitter. Robin is not important to him. She's an afterthought at best at this point.

 

 

I can't see Monica being upset about that.

 

 

 

It'd just be nice to see Monica again.

 

Has she taken Molly's place as the always on hand babysitter for Danny all of a sudden when Sam's too busy banging Patrick or finding another thin white tee shirt to wear when it's -10 below.

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I have the feeling that NuJason will not be happy when he recovers all his Jason Morgan memories. After all the complaining he did today about killing on orders from Helena.

 

I don't want Jakeson to go back to his life from before but you also have to remember how the world works in PC.  Yes, Jason Morgan was a hit man but no one had a single solitary issue with his actions.  In PC, Jason the hit man = a soldier/fireman while anyone else in the rival mobs = evil.  So while he might be horrified that he freed Faison and planted a bomb, those are not things that Jason would have done.  Under Port Charles logic, he can be appalled at his actions while under Helena's control and still not think the things that he did as Sonny's enforcer are all that bad.  And why should he? No one else does.

 

That is my worst fear.  If things go back to status quo with Carly, Sonny and Jason, what was the point of any of it?  It would be a much better story in my mind if the new version of Jason doesn't want anything to do with that toxic duo but his interactions with Carly are not encouraging.  It seems like he's being positioned to go back to being her biggest enabler.

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Does Nik care about Robin? Are the viewers really supposed to let this go? Really?

Yeah, Nikolas not demanding an explanation is a big fail. He has believed along with everyone else that Robin went to Africa, as far as I know. Nik must be going dark again, because he didn't get pissed at Helena for the Laura dis at the police station, or at Helena for mildly dissing the late Emily now. Um, when did Nikolas ever like Jason? I guess maybe a long time ago when AT played Emily and Jason was loving and protective of little sis. 

 

Helena being dismissive of Nik's exasperation/incredulity in reaction to her answers was funny, though. Grandma Hells never had conscience, Nik, and you always knew that.  Also, Jason was the Q who got all the undeserved praise post-brain damage while your wife Emily was the heart of the family, idiot. That was a thing when Em was young and even Tracy grudgingly admitted to Monica during Em's funeral that she resented Emily for being compared to Lila. 

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oh nooooooooo will Jason die?? It isn't like he JUST got resurrected from a freaking egg!! They did the same thing when Emme Rylan debuted as Lulu. Dear show, I know you didn't recast just to kill them off again. Lordy. 

 

Carly: I didn't want Michael to become AJ, a mix of entitlement and self-pity.

 

That is Sonny to a friggin tee, she is high from their magical love I guess.

 

Did Sonny dye his beard? And also, he looks creepy in the leather jacket (why are all the men wearing light leather jackets? What happened to everyone's winter coats? Did they get cut up and sown together for a new carpet at the metro court??)

 

Dear Julian, that Ted joke wasn't good the first time. 

 

Sabrina, did you even go to school here? What? You know nothing about the situation, please go away.

 

I don't even know what is going on with Helena and Nikolas really. Nothing is making sense there.

 

lol poor Spin in the previews. 

 

Anna's smile when she said she was a federal agent now <3

 

I'm a little confused about Sloane. He's corrupt but he's not corrupt? Can we get some motives for this guy please? Was his plot to overthrow Anna? I'm so confused! Also please shampoo your hair and try a wee bit less hard to be sexy. That's not sarcasm, he was trying to pick up his fries in a "sexy" way. Having the non-sexy name of Kyle does not help.

 

I think Anna, Patrick, and Nikolas all have a chip in their heads that keeps them from asking questions about Anna. (only half-kidding)

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That is my worst fear.  If things go back to status quo with Carly, Sonny and Jason, what was the point of any of it?

 

 

 

I don't think Ron even functions under the idea that anything has to have a "point" at the end of the day, he writes whatever suits his fancy for the minute. He doesn't structure anything to have a lasting impression or a decent shelf life, it's whatever he's in the mood for.

 

Ron isn't taking down the leads from their perches on high, I don't think that was ever his real intention. He's just fucking around. That's the best way I can put it. He fucks around, then gets bored and moves onto something else.

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Sabrina, did you even go to school here? What? You know nothing about the situation, please go away.

 

Poor Michael. But hey, at least Patrick is free. Yes, he's now a dick, but I blame RC for a lot of it. What can I say? I have residual liking for him from Scrubs, even if it has been a very rough go.

 

But NO ONE deserves to be shackled to Derpy the pretty pony.

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So I read the blurbs about Bobbie, Tracy and Lulu putting their heads together and I thought it would be a fun thing and maybe a reason to try watching again. Then I read

that they hire Spinelli to do the investigation of Luke's past

, so it really isn't even going to be about three strong, fierce women figuring junk out.

 

And I have to chime in and say that while I realize, to my everlasting horror, that Luke and Laura still have fans, I don't see why Laura is needed. I mean, the vast majority of onliners complain about weak women on this show, and/or women being misused. I think Laura must be one of the weakest in GH history. She married her rapist. And that alone IMO means the character  deserves nothing but contempt.

Seriously, if the rape scene happened yesterday, some would be frothing at the mouth, at the idea of those two being a couple.

Even if she only came for Lulu-Lulu has Bobbie, Tracy, Nikolas, Dante, Olivia, Maxie. Even Carly.  Lulu doesn't "need" Laura to come back. Besides that.....Genie would just be wasted, as most of the cast is these days if your name isn't Kelly, Maurice, Laura, or Tony.

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I do like Ned, and I think Wally is the best, but again Ron is messing with one of my vets and not giving him anything to do but rehash old shit that didn't work the first time. I'm sick of it.

 

Why can't Ned be with Tracy right now? Or figuring out something is going on behind the scenes at ELQ?

 

Instead he is going to lay claim to another mobster's baby, yet again? He is going to let Alexis think that during the time they were supposedly "dating" and falling back in "love" he slept with Olivia around the same time Julian did and knocked her up? 

 

I'll give Ron this much, when he really doesn't give a shit he really doesn't give two shimmy shiny shits.

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I would love to see a confrontation between Monica and Sonny.

That's the ultimate dream. Hell, could she at least walk in and hold the door open, point, and laugh? Or come in as he's leaving and say "We're going to make a marvelous nursery out of Emily's old room! And I don't even feel bad for Sabrina/Micheal being my fav couple. They just fit together like Bo and Hope. I'm glad he's not with a girl like his mother, like his brother. Sabrina is way tolerable minus Felix and Patrick. Btw... did Sonny dye his beard? For reals?

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Ron doesn't give a damn therefore any whom actually do will be "ignored", and probably blocked on his Twitter. Robin is not important to him. She's an afterthought at best at this point.

It's almost like a game at this point. I'm actually surprised he hasn't just let all the characters know Robin is being held captive. It's not like they'll care.

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Seriously, if the rape scene happened yesterday, some would be frothing at the mouth, at the idea of those two being a couple.

 

I don't disagree, but, and not to defend Laura marrying her damned rapist, as trite as the saying is, it's true: The times were different then. Hell, even marital rape is a relatively recent concept. In the '70s/'80s, there was the whole "bodice ripping, no means yes" shit going on. If you don't believe it, go find some trashy "romances" written from that era.

 

L&L were just a symbol of that mindset.

 

It doesn't make it less gross now, but context does make a difference.

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So I read the blurbs about Bobbie, Tracy and Lulu putting their heads together and I thought it would be a fun thing and maybe a reason to try watching again. Then I read

that they hire Spinelli to do the investigation of Luke's past

, so it really isn't even going to be about three strong, fierce women figuring junk out.

 

And I have to chime in and say that while I realize, to my everlasting horror, that Luke and Laura still have fans, I don't see why Laura is needed. I mean, the vast majority of onliners complain about weak women on this show, and/or women being misused. I think Laura must be one of the weakest in GH history. She married her rapist. And that alone IMO means the character  deserves nothing but contempt.

Seriously, if the rape scene happened yesterday, some would be frothing at the mouth, at the idea of those two being a couple.

 

I'm gonna reply in the Spencer thread.

It's almost like a game at this point. I'm actually surprised he hasn't just let all the characters know Robin is being held captive. It's not like they'll care.

 

I agree. which is imo why they need to recast and just quickly let her be free. Or beg Kim to come back for a week and wrap it all up.

 

Just wrap it up somehow. Wrap it off screen. But just wrap it uuuuuuuuuuuuuup. (not directed towards you obviously but RC)

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Genie would just be wasted, as most of the cast is these days if your name isn't Kelly, Maurice, Laura, or Tony.

 

 

 

I agree. There will be no big "changing f the guard" so to speak. Ron is merely moving people around, and the sets may change some but that's about it. When the characters open their mouths they're all pretty much saying what they said this time last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, even ten years ago.

 

Ron isn't overhauling GH, he hasn't the talent or the drive or vision necessary, imho. He's sticking to Guza's game plan, but what's worse is that I don't think he has even the talent that Guza did, for whatever the hell that is worth and to me it isn't much at all.

 

No one is in character pretty much, no one is making sense, the cast is overly bloated with pointless characters, and Ron's idea of a great "Ran February Surprise" was to make another woman over 40 suddenly pregnant and blow up absolutely no bloody one with two, not just one but TWO, fucking bombs. 

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Sonny may not know where the towels in his house are but clearly his stash of Touch Of Gray Lots Of DarkestBrown is something he knows the location of at all times. That facial hair! Jeeze!

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I don't disagree, but, and not to defend Laura marrying her damned rapist, as trite as the saying is, it's true: The times were different then. Hell, even marital rape is a relatively recent concept. In the '70s/'80s, there was the whole "bodice ripping, no means yes" shit going on. If you don't believe it, go find some trashy "romances" written from that era.

 

L&L were just a symbol of that mindset.

 

It doesn't make it less gross now, but context does make a difference.

Oh, I'm well aware the times were different. And they weren't the first and only couple to have rape between them. I don't think I can count the number of times it happened before them-but there were several.

She's still pathetic, though. *shrug*

As are the other women that have done the same throughout daytime history.

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And I don't even feel bad for Sabrina/Micheal being my fav couple. They just fit together like Bo and Hope.

 

Wha...??? Putting Michael/Sabrina in the same sentence as Bo and Hope?! I need to go scream into a pillow now.

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Wha...??? Putting Michael/Sabrina in the same sentence as Bo and Hope?! I need to go scream into a pillow now.

Eh my standards have fallen as my alcohol consumption has grown. I think they could be a sweet couple. It's better than stalker, banged my brother, or held me hostage.

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I agree. There will be no big "changing f the guard" so to speak. Ron is merely moving people around, and the sets may change some but that's about it. When the characters open their mouths they're all pretty much saying what they said this time last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, even ten years ago.

 

Ron isn't overhauling GH, he hasn't the talent or the drive or vision necessary, imho. He's sticking to Guza's game plan, but what's worse is that I don't think he has even the talent that Guza did, for whatever the hell that is worth and to me it isn't much at all.

 

No one is in character pretty much, no one is making sense, the cast is overly bloated with pointless characters, and Ron's idea of a great "Ran February Surprise" was to make another woman over 40 suddenly pregnant and blow up absolutely no bloody one with two, not just one but TWO, fucking bombs. 

 

When it hit me between the eyes that he's no better than GUZA, when I wanted Bobby back.....that's when I gave up.

Guza shoved certain characters down our throats and ignored others, much like the current regime...but Guza, when he WANTED to, could tell a story.

*Unlike* the current regime.

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 It's almost like a game at this point. I'm actually surprised he hasn't just let all the characters know Robin is being held captive. It's not like they'll care.

 

 

 

Well Maxie might care when she hears where Robin is being held captive, in Paris.

 

She'll probably demand that whenever Robin manages to stop being so damn lazy and free herself from bondage, before heading back home she'll have to get her at least one dress and a pair of pumps from some overpriced Boutique she read about in a fashion magazine.

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I agree. which is imo why they need to recast and just quickly let her be free. Or beg Kim to come back for a week and wrap it all up.

Just wrap it up somehow. Wrap it off screen. But just wrap it uuuuuuuuuuuuuup. (not directed towards you obviously but RC)

At this point, they should just wrap it up off-screen. As written, these characters don't care about her. So at least free her and call it a day.

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I forgot. A great moment in douchery was Nik discussing with Helena why no one can learn Jason is Jake.

"Jason will back Micheal and the Quartermaines will back Jason." Then he later mused on Jason kicking his ass. No questions about where Robin is. No concern that Micheal just lost his father to Sonny and is running ELQ for his memory and Alan and Edward's. Dude, really?

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Poor Michael. But hey, at least Patrick is free. Yes, he's now a dick, but I blame RC for a lot of it. What can I say? I have residual liking for him from Scrubs, even if it has been a very rough go.

 

But NO ONE deserves to be shackled to Derpy the pretty pony.

 

Sonny??? :)

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At this point, they should just wrap it up off-screen. As written, these characters don't care about her. So at least free her and call it a day.

 

What should happen is Jason gets his memory back and his first words are where the hell is Robin who SAVED MY LIFE! He looks around and everyone is whistling with their thumbs up their asses. He goes straight to Helena and chokes the truth out of her. He punches Patrick in the throat and balls,then throws deuces to the lot of them grabs Emma and heads off to Paris to find Robin, while Sam, Liz and Carly sob.

 

What will happen instead, May sweeps Helena is shown in a cell somewhere in Paris. Robin is 9 months pregnant giving birth. Helena takes said baby pats little bird on the head and walks away shutting the door.

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