Episode Discussion: TFGH

[LillyB]

Sonny since you tried to murder Ava after she birthed Avery, why don't you kill Nelle yourself.

[rur]

44 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Oh God! Now Oscar is on and he's confiding in another tiny boy!

And it's too bad that Cam got SORASed so fast that he didn't get a chance to find out the answer to that 2nd grade riddle that he learned last week, when he was in 2nd grade. 

[ulkis]

Is it just me or has every "next on GH" clip featured Michael saying, "okay, now the plan is in motion!"

[rur]

1 hour ago, Hater said:

… it's clear as day that Monaco and Burton have negative chemistry at this point and they don't even try to sell any subtext. 

Maybe that's why KM was back to sighing when she spoke today.

[Hater]

13 minutes ago, rur said:

Maybe that's why KM was back to sighing when she spoke today.

She's been phoning in her scenes for months now.  I subjected myself to the clips after reading the board and she's a bit more "up" in these scenes if you can believe that since she was smiling and actually saying her lines to the point where I could understand her.  Like Lexie said, the two act more like old friends.  There was never any passion between them in the first place, but this is just pathetic given how much the show is trying to push them.  There is never any playing up of tension in their scenes....and it's been like that for months now.  I'm sure it's coming but the pairing is just weak overall.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Hater

[Mrs. Stanwyck]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

She said that it made sense for her to fall for Patrick because Jason and Robin had a connection.

I know that no one here is saying anything different but that makes zero sense.  While Robin and Jason were close, Patrick couldn't stand Jason.  I'm sure if something happened to my husband it would totally make me feel closer to him to seek out someone that hated his guts.  Whatever, show.

[Hater]

2 minutes ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I know that no one here is saying anything different but that makes zero sense.  While Robin and Jason were close, Patrick couldn't stand Jason.  I'm sure if something happened to my husband it would totally make me feel closer to him to seek out someone that hated his guts.  Whatever, show.

It's just another way for that awful pairing & Jasus to be propped/justified whatever. Of course Sam was only with Patrick because Jason was connected to him through Robin! t's always about JAYSIN in the end for idiot Sam.  

Edited July 25, 2018 by Hater

[dubbel zout]

All Patrick and Sam talked about was Jason, LOL.

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I know that no one here is saying anything different but that makes zero sense.  While Robin and Jason were close, Patrick couldn't stand Jason.  I'm sure if something happened to my husband it would totally make me feel closer to him to seek out someone that hated his guts.  Whatever, show.

Sam literally had dialogue during Samtrick that Jason and Robin’s relationship made her uncomfortable. She’s so full of shit. Well, ultimately, the writers are because this particular story has been written a billion different ways and it’s insane.

[Veronica889]

Watching today's Jasam scenes I just see zilch going on romantically it's like friends catching up. Where is the longing or passion? They give Sam this dialogue about how she couldn't marry Patrick because she thought Jason was back and now Jason actually is back and it's like their casual friends who run into each other at the gym. It's like the writers are trying to push this fated we can't stay away from each other dialogue but they don't write actions to support it. For instance when Sam first told Jason she still loved him she also said she didn't really want him to stay away and she longed to see him yet does she ever actually seek him out just to be near him? I have no desire to see Jasam because I think any chemistry they had is long gone but what is the hold up here? They want us to buy them as this destiny couple yet neither one of them seem that interested in pulling the trigger when there should be zilch standing in the way. 

[Veronica889]

31 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Sam literally had dialogue during Samtrick that Jason and Robin’s relationship made her uncomfortable. She’s so full of shit. Well, ultimately, the writers are because this particular story has been written a billion different ways and it’s insane.

It's really off putting to me that Sam had to somehow justify why she was with Patrick and make it about Jason. First off the reasoning made no sense if she had hooked up with Robin maybe but really being with Patrick because he was with Robin who was with Jason? Honestly though why did it have to be about Jason at all?  

47 minutes ago, Hater said:

It's just another way for that awful pairing & Jasus to be propped/justified whatever. Of course Sam was only with Patrick because Jason was connected to him through Robin! t's always about JAYSIN in the end for idiot Sam.  

It's so freaking pathetic. Really it can't just be that Sam fell in love with someone else it has to be that it was somehow about Jason? No wonder they didn't mention Silas there is no way for them to rewrite that Sam was only with him because he was connected to Jason. 

[Veronica889]

56 minutes ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I know that no one here is saying anything different but that makes zero sense.  While Robin and Jason were close, Patrick couldn't stand Jason.  I'm sure if something happened to my husband it would totally make me feel closer to him to seek out someone that hated his guts.  Whatever, show.

If she was going to be with someone because they made her fee closer to Jason Sonny would have made sense not Patrick. Heck gross as it would have been Spinelli would have made more sense. Patrick is the last person who it makes sense to somehow say that being with him somehow made her closer to Jason. 

[Perkie]

4 hours ago, LexieLily said:

hey can't have sexual assault victim Sam at the meeting to tell her story. I see you, show.

and 

 

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Elizabeth wasn't there, either, and she's not only a sexual assault victim, she's also a vocal supporter of Lauren. Who also works at the hospital.

I think the point of this particular metoo movement was women who have been sexually harrassed at work.  All the women's stories had a similar theme.  Alexis was harrassed at her first law firm, Ava at her first gallery, Olivia as a teen mom working at the local car dealership and JOrdan when she started at the DEA.  Kim was the only one that was slightly different in that it was from a professor at law school.  Liz and Sam have been raped, which is worst and different.  

[CharethCutestory]

Jason barely blinks over his sons' trauma/illnesses, AJ returning then being murdered by Sonny, finding out he has a long lost twin implanted with his memories and living his life for five years, but he turns on the emotions over Samtrick? Of all times for the robot to become self aware. What a load of garbage. That whole scene. Hot garbage. 

[Oracle42]

Isn't Sam's reasoning just a rehash of Carly's reason for being with Franco? are they all doing a writing assignment where they treat characters on a soap like they're aliens who are unfamiliar with human emotions? 

Sam was with Patrick because they were friends and he was safe, same as Silas. The woman was still looking for her husband months after he had been shot and pushed off the docks - not her husband's body mind you, her husband.

Trying to avoid having to go through that again is normal. But being in love with Jason, and wanting to be with him anyway still makes sense for the character. I just don't understand how they've written a "story"* where absolutely none of her conflict about a relationship with Jason is related to a fear of losing him again in exactly the same way.

I don't watch the show because it's boring and terrible, but I don't get paid to write it. the people who write it should probably watch it so they can maintain some kind of minimal character consistency and story continuity.

*For lack of a better word

Edited July 26, 2018 by Oracle42

[statsgirl]

4 hours ago, Hater said:

  Like Lexie said, the two act more like old friends.  There was never any passion between them in the first place, but this is just pathetic given how much the show is trying to push them.  There is never any playing up of tension in their scenes....and it's been like that for months now.

 

2 hours ago, Veronica889 said:

Watching today's Jasam scenes I just see zilch going on romantically it's like friends catching up. Where is the longing or passion? They give Sam this dialogue about how she couldn't marry Patrick because she thought Jason was back and now Jason actually is back and it's like their casual friends who run into each other at the gym. It's like the writers are trying to push this fated we can't stay away from each other dialogue but they don't write actions to support it. For instance when Sam first told Jason she still loved him she also said she didn't really want him to stay away and she longed to see him yet does she ever actually seek him out just to be near him? I have no desire to see Jasam because I think any chemistry they had is long gone but what is the hold up here? They want us to buy them as this destiny couple yet neither one of them seem that interested in pulling the trigger when there should be zilch standing in the way. 

I'm amused at what a massive failure this star-crossed OTP romance is. It's not only the actors who can barely summon up any feelings towards each other, it's that the writing is if anything even worse for them.

It feels like this is something the show h as to check off its list but nobody, not the actors and certainly not the writers, really cares for it enough to actually try to do a good job.

[Veronica889]

21 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Isn't Sam's reasoning just a rehash of Carly's reason for being with Franco? are they all doing a writing assignment where they treat characters on a soap like they're aliens who are unfamiliar with human emotions? 

Sam was with Patrick because they were friends and he was safe, so was Silas. The woman was still looking for her husband months after he been shot and pushed off the docks - not her husband's body mind you, her husband.

Trying to avoid having to go through that again is normal. But being in love with Jason and wanting to be with him anyway still makes sense for the character. I just don't understand how they've written a "story"* where absolutely none of her conflict about a relationship with Jason is related to a fear of losing him again in exactly the same way?

I don't watch the show because it's boring and terrible, but I don't get paid to write it. the people who write it should probably watch it so they can maintain some kind of minimal character consistency and story continuity.

*For lack of a better word

It's just horrendous storytelling. Especially when they did a whole storyline where Sam was terrified of losing Jason to Sonny's world again. it's like their somehow trying to say that Sam doesn't need to worried about Jason because he can handle Sonny's world but apparently Drew couldn't. It makes no earthly sense Sam was terrified of losing who she thought was Jason to violence and now the real one is back and none of those fears cross her mind. It's like they somehow want to put all of Sam's fears about the mob on Drew even though Sam in reality never needed to be fearful of losing Drew to the mob Jason is a whole different story and somehow she's fine with it?

[Veronica889]

I have to think all involved know this is absolute garbage. For my faith in humanity I have to believe that. To me one of the biggest problems is they seem to be trying to write this two different ways at the same time. On the one hand Sam couldn't deny her feelings any longer, their fated, she boned Patrick to feel a connection to Jason on the other hand when she's actually with Jason it plays like their trying to rebuild a friendship to see if there's something more.  You can't have it both ways if Sam has truly been longing to here Jasin's voice and see his eyes than its way past time she acted like it. If you want to rebuild them as friends and than have it turn to more giving Sam dialogue like they did today is stupid and unnessacary. 

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, Oracle42 said:

the people who write it should probably watch it so they can maintain some kind of minimal character consistency and story continuity.

Well, one thing remains consistent. This show constantly downplays every relationship both Jason and Sam were in to try to prop the SUPERCOUPLE that is JaSam. I mean, you know I don’t care, but that’s exactly what they did to Samtrick and to Drew/Sam. Hell, Lucky and Silas and Sonny are all irrelevant to Sam’s history, too. They even tried to downplay fucking Jason and Robin. “Oh, we were so young and she was a teen and it wasn’t that serious” was pretty much what Jason was saying. Like, errrr, no.

[Hater]

12 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Well, one thing remains consistent. This show constantly downplays every relationship both Jason and Sam were in to try to prop the SUPERCOUPLE that is JaSam. I mean, you know I don’t care, but that’s exactly what they did to Samtrick and to Drew/Sam. Hell, Lucky and Silas and Sonny are all irrelevant to Sam’s history, too. They even tried to downplay fucking Jason and Robin. “Oh, we were so young and she was a teen and it wasn’t that serious” was pretty much what Jason was saying. Like, errrr, no.

Sad isn't it?  You would think supercouple JaSam wouldn't need to be propped this much because of their "15 year history" and because Burton and Monaco are so great together according to their fans. But this is how it's been from the very start.  Sam will forever be a vapid twit and everything in her life ultimately connects back to Jaysin in some way.  All these years and Alexis is still spot on with her assessment.  

Her useless ass can't even solve a case.  Marge goes and finds the flashdrive in a lost and found and Finn finds Peter. 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Hater

[Oracle42]

34 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

that’s exactly what they did to Samtrick and to Drew/Sam. Hell, Lucky and Silas and Sonny are all irrelevant to Sam’s history, too

But, aside from Drew (and that's complicated by the fact that she thought he was Jason) they weren't important compared to Jason. And that makes sense, given their relative places in her life. 

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

But, aside from Drew (and that's complicated by the fact that she thought he was Jason) they weren't important compared to Jason. And that makes sense, given their relative places in her life. 

I’m certainly not saying they were as important as Jason. Of course Jason is her “main” love. I’m pointing out things like what occurred today. “Being with Patrick made sense because you and Robin were connected.” And with Drew, the whole “I wasn’t myself and he forced me to sit at a desk.” Again, not true. All these things were done to reinforce JaSam.

[sunnyface]

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Okay, super gross to listen to Sonny tell Chase to make sure Nelle gets murdered.

What a swell segue - scenes with guys plotting the murder of a nine-month pregnant woman right next to the #metoo scenes. 

[Oracle42]

I think the explanation for her relationship with Patrick is ridiculous but I don't mind that she downplayed it, it wasn't that deep for either of them. I thought they had great friend chemistry (primarily due, I assume, to the fact that KeMo and JT actually seem to be friendly IRL) and I wish they hadn't forced them into a relationship that wasn't actually about either of them

Edited July 26, 2018 by Oracle42

[ciarra]

"I'm not the least bit suspicious" -- Nelle Benson

[Hater]

Forget Patrick. We know the reason she didn't even mention Silas, who was the one who actually helped her through Danny's cancer was because Silas can't be connected back to Jasus in any way.  This couple sucks and I will continue to say it.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Hater

[Asp Burger]

The MeToo summit was good. It didn't have any characters I actively mind, and all of the actresses were good. I also liked the montage style of it, which kept us from having to hear (and the writers from having to write) a lot of detailed back stories involving people we have never seen. Again, this has been one of the better "hot-button issue" stories on GH in my time.  

I like the Cameron actor the best of the three younger players (maybe it's limited exposure, but for now I'll stand by it). But it's odd that they went all out to make him resemble the typically shaggy Zander on his first day and then gave him such a drastic haircut for his second appearance about three weeks later.  

JaSam at the gym was as agonizing as everyone is saying. I'll grant that one thing Burton is always good for is uncomfortable reactions to the news of relationships Jason didn't know about. (He did a good grossed-out take over Sexis, and I actually liked Sexis back in the day, but I still had to say "Well played.") However, here's what gets me, besides Monaco's completely checked-out performance and the overall lifelessness of the scene. When Sam got on the topic of Danny's leukemia and started listing people who were helpful, I was expecting her to bring up Julian's bone marrow donation. That would be, you know, RELEVANT right now, so soon after Jason blithely vowed to kill him if Sonny gives the nod, over that Croton corpse bullshit in which Julian has done nothing at all wrong. But then, rather than intersecting with a story we're actually supposed to care about in 2018, it turns into reminiscences about Sam and long-gone Patrick's short-lived, unpopular, and irrelevant relationship? 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Asp Burger

[YaddaYadda]

I like how Jason was all ewww over SamTrick because degrees of separation. Dude, Sam was sleeping with Sonny and was one of his baby mamas. If you have to ewww a relationship, it should be that one.

[NutmegsDad]

13 hours ago, CharethCutestory said:

Jason barely blinks over his sons' trauma/illnesses, AJ returning then being murdered by Sonny, finding out he has a long lost twin implanted with his memories and living his life for five years, but he turns on the emotions over Samtrick? Of all times for the robot to become self aware. What a load of garbage. That whole scene. Hot garbage. 

"Well.... this was a matter of pride!" -Scotty, Star Trek, "Trouble with Tribbles"

[dubbel zout]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

When Sam got on the topic of Danny's leukemia and started listing people who were helpful, I was expecting her to bring up Julian's bone marrow donation. That would be, you know, RELEVANT right now, so soon after Jason blithely vowed to kill him if Sonny gives the nod, over that Croton corpse bullshit in which Julian has done nothing at all wrong.

I KNOW. That omission was so glaring I needed sunglasses. And even it they didn't tie it into the stupid Croton corpse bullshit, maybe Jason would be interested nonetheless to hear how his son's life was saved?

As always with this fakakta show, the emphasis is on the wrong syllable.

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I KNOW. That omission was so glaring I needed sunglasses. And even it they didn't tie it into the stupid Croton corpse bullshit, maybe Jason would be interested nonetheless to hear how his son's life was saved?

As always with this fakakta show, the emphasis is on the wrong syllable.

He probably knows (offscreen, naturally) and doesn't give a crap. 

[Sake614]

Now we know why Sam wanted to buy  Julian’s media company! The cat poop made her do it!

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/parasite-in-cat-poop-linked-to-entrepreneurial-behavior-2018-7

[TeeVee329]

BRAD AND LUCAS NAMED THE BABY FUCKIN' WILEY AND NOT TONY, WE RIIIIIIOOOOTTTT!

[Hater]

10 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

BRAD AND LUCAS NAMED THE BABY FUCKIN' WILEY AND NOT TONY, WE RIIIIIIOOOOTTTT!

What kind of name is that?

[TeeVee329]

Outside of Tony being snubbed (which is even more annoying given the (cliché) girl name they had picked out was in honor of dead Cheryl), what moment today made you want to pick up a torch and pitchfork:

[  ] Lucas (who?) being COMPLETLEY OFF-SCREEN the day his child is born/when Brad gets to meet him for the first time and the emphasis placed on Julian, who isn't even supposed to be there.

[  ] Kevin (or Ryan, it looks like) being marched into Sonny's house by Jason and basically threatened re: springing Carly.

[dubbel zout]

"How's Laura?" "Anxious to come home." Yeah, I'll bet.

[statsgirl]

Sonny going all Godfather on Kevin and Jason standing there like his goon was foul.  And funny.  Sonny is such a pipsqueak mobster.

I"m rooting for Mary Pat.  And Nelle.

Jason looked like he bit into a bitter fruit when Liz suggested that Jake had a good time with him and Drew. Would it kill Jason to build a bridge to Drew? And then he couldn't get away from Liz fast enough to ask Kevin about Carly.  The man has his priorities

The episode really needed Lucas but it was sweet that Brad finally let Julian be happy for them.

3 minutes ago, Hater said:

What kind of name is that?

A coyote name?

[Harmony233]

Wiley the worse name since Roc co although scout isn't great either but at least that's a middle name.I can't believe we didn't see  Lucas today.It's weird the way they write brucas.

Sonny and Jason are the worse.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Harmony233

[Linny]

There's nothing more hilariously apropos than Lucas not being present for his son's arrival. Has any character ever been more absent from his own story?

Swear to God the show has some sort of Franco quota in which they are obligated to shove him into every single plotline without justification. There was no need for him to be at Ferncliff, unless the point was to prove that shit there is really rough if it's getting the serial killer's condemnation.

I think Hallucination Nelle was wearing the same blouse she wore when she fell down the stairs, which is a nice touch. And as much as I appreciate Carly being mostly quiet for once, a little bit of that slow drugged out effect goes a LONG way.

[sacrebleu]

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A coyote name?

He's a suuuuuuuuper genius

[LexieLily]

45 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Outside of Tony being snubbed (which is even more annoying given the (cliché) girl name they had picked out was in honor of dead Cheryl), what moment today made you want to pick up a torch and pitchfork:

[  ] Lucas (who?) being COMPLETLEY OFF-SCREEN the day his child is born/when Brad gets to meet him for the first time and the emphasis placed on Julian, who isn't even supposed to be there.

[  ] Kevin (or Ryan, it looks like) being marched into Sonny's house by Jason and basically threatened re: springing Carly.

I like the idea of a Kevin/Ryan swap but I don't necessarily want to see it as a story. Of course, the elephant in the room is that Laura, Kevin's (or Ryan's, ugh!) wife, isn't here to be a part of the story when she naturally should be, but even if she was I doubt the story would really be about Kevin/Laura/Ryan. Or even Mac/Felicia/Lucy. It would all be about poor, suffering Carly and her struggles and attempts to be believed and save the day.

Edited July 26, 2018 by LexieLily

[TeeVee329]

Kyle Fish-Lewis: ...you named the baby Wylie?

Lucas (who?): What, it's fun!  I mean, how did you guys land on Sierra Rose?

Kyle Fish-Lewis (mumbling): Uh, her stripper mom named her after the dolls she and her sister used to play with before she drowned in an icy lake.

Lucas (who?): ....

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

[  ] Kevin (or Ryan, it looks like) being marched into Sonny's house by Jason and basically threatened re: springing Carly.

The staging and writing of that scene was so odd. Jason delivering Kevin (Ryan?) to Sonny and Sonny just sitting there like the mob boss he is and the weird undercurrent that Jason/Sonny might hurt Kevin if he doesn't spring Carly for them. I'm not sure if the scene was supposed to come across creepy like that but it did.

[CharethCutestory]

Well now we know who was in the other room. Sort of. Is it Ryan or Kevin? Does anyone really care? Doesn't change that Sonny is a piece of filth and so is borg looming behind him thinking they can threaten a doctor. Carly didn't flick Mary Pat's ear or pull her hair, she physically attacked her and then stabbed her with a shot full of drugs and broke out of a state run mental hospital. (How exactly did she pull that off?) And she's there because she's a lying liar. Hook her up to those machines and turn it to 11. Maybe she'll turn into someone that isn't a screeching, selfish, dirtbag. Hook up Sason next. 

Jason walking away from Liz mid sentence in a conversation that centers around their son so he can speak to Kevin about Carly was pathetic and in character. Yeah, Liz went all "Franco, Franco, Franco!" Again. So what. Suck it up and parent your child. 

Speaking of Franco. Is there any story FV won't stick RoHo in out of nowhere? Fresh from saving the day for Peter he shows up to be a hero for Carly. What's next? Is he going to be on the side of the road with a flat tire when Michael and Nelle's car crashes and administer him CPR? 

[Oracle42]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

And then he couldn't get away from Liz fast enough to ask Kevin about Carly. The man has his priorities

To be fair, by that time she'd started grossly harping on about him getting along with Franco. Again.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Oracle42

[statsgirl]

I thought she was still talking about Drew.  Jason looked extremely unpleasant as soon as she mentioned Drew.

It's  gross that Liz has to prop Jason's ego because he spent one afternoon with his own son.

[Oracle42]

3 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I thought she was still talking about Drew.  Jason looked extremely unpleasant as soon as she mentioned Drew.

No, he said something about Jake making it easy while she was talking about Drew. He checked out and walked away once she started talking about Franco. Something about how now that he's getting along with Drew and Drew is getting along with Franco - he should just go ahead and get along with Franco too.  It was gross

[LexieLily]

Why is Liz so goddamned determined to force Franco's victims to like him?? 

[TeeVee329]

Previews...I see you, Show, trying to score points with me with a Robert/Dr. O faceoff, but you have some work to do after this Wylie debacle.

[statsgirl]

48 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

The staging and writing of that scene was so odd. Jason delivering Kevin (Ryan?) to Sonny and Sonny just sitting there like the mob boss he is and the weird undercurrent that Jason/Sonny might hurt Kevin if he doesn't spring Carly for them. I'm not sure if the scene was supposed to come across creepy like that but it did.

I think it was supposed to come across as Big Bad Mob Boss Sonny.  It didn't work for me because, well, Sonny. And it was just gross threatening Kevin.  I'm glad he pointed out that it was because of Carly's actions that she's in the mess she's in right now.

38 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

No, he said something about Jake making it easy while she was talking about Drew. He checked out and walked away once she started talking about Franco.

He walked away when she was talking about Franco but he checked out as soon as she mentioned Drew. He couldn't say anything nice about Drew, just that Jake makes it easy. Which he did, because Jason was a silent lump when Drew showed up.

Jason acts like Drew is his enemy and robbed him of his life when really Jason had the charmed childhood while Drew was in a foundling home. And Jason was the reason both of them were kidnapped by Faison and Drew lost the memories of his real life and his chance to raise his son.  And now Jason has everything back again while Drew is trying to find his place. So once again, Jason Wins All.