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16 hours ago, TV Mercenary said:

Ned should not even have time to play mayor. He shouldbe running the family company and doing something he's actually good at and highly trained for. Olivia is trash and she has no room to stand around and point at anyone else who has benefited in life from being with mobsters and getting kickbacks for crawling into bed with them. She doesn't belong on the show I have never liked anything about the character. Just send her back to Jersey or wherever and let her bake lasagna rolls and make manicotti to her heart's content off screen and finally retire this tired shrill loudmouth

This!! I want to give this post an Olympic Gold medal. It's realistic that Olivia would appeal to Ned, the opportunist born with a silver spoon. She's a reincarnation of his former wife Lois, also from trash, but Lois had brains and moxie to build her own money-making career instead of being given spoils from mobsters. Olivia is a chica who seeks out powerful men and feeds off of them. She also tells people how to live their lives, meddles, and crashes around like a cow in a china shop. She and Carly are out of the same mold. Olivia got Ned into this mayor gig so she could be in the spotlight and the "power behind the throne". She's doing Ned a disservice, because ELQ is always threatening to run off its rails into some kind of trouble, and needs every bit of his attention.

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I am feeling all of the Olivia hatred. I'm kind of sad that Faison is dead because he could've been so helpful with getting rid of useless, obnoxious characters like Olivia. I'm guess there are people like me who have a long list of P.C. citizens who need to die with no remorse on the part of the killer.  I could name at least 15 off the top of my head. I'm not watching anymore and it feels real good. Is there a who should die forum topic? I would enjoy comparing death candidates with like minded people.

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On 2/21/2018 at 4:52 AM, TV Mercenary said:

Olivia is trash and she has no room to stand around and point at anyone else who has benefited in life from being with mobsters and getting kickbacks for crawling into bed with them. She doesn't belong on the show I have never liked anything about the character. Just send her back to Jersey or wherever and let her bake lasagna rolls and make manicotti to her heart's content off screen and finally retire this tired shrill loudmouth.

Maybe, since she just loves kiddos so so much, she can become nanny to Liz's other two kids, Carmello and Amelio. Then we won't have to see any of them.

9 hours ago, paisley said:

I am feeling all of the Olivia hatred. I'm kind of sad that Faison is dead because he could've been so helpful with getting rid of useless, obnoxious characters like Olivia. I'm guess there are people like me who have a long list of P.C. citizens who need to die with no remorse on the part of the killer.  I could name at least 15 off the top of my head. I'm not watching anymore and it feels real good. Is there a who should die forum topic? I would enjoy comparing death candidates with like minded people.

I think it would make for great sweeps material to kill off Sonny. Right? Maybe?  Come on, writers.

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41 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

How was Lois "from trash"? She came from a loving, intact Bensonhurst family, as did Olivia, for that matter.

Lois also established her own career using her talents and skills. While her fashion sense were different and she had a thick accent, she was smart, ambitious and extremely caring to her friends and family. Nothing trashy about that or her.

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14 hours ago, paisley said:

Is there a who should die forum topic? I would enjoy comparing death candidates with like minded people.

That would be this thread. As long as it's current GH characters! :) 

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Brad (who?)!  But of course, Lucas (who?) is stuck in surgery and couldn't come to the adoption meeting with Alexis.  This show really thinks they're going to get away with telling this entire adoption story without them ever sharing a scene (which they haven't since February OF LAST YEAR), don't they.

But oh, Brad, sweetie.  Not only is Carly the wrong person to ask advice from about anything, she is the wrong person to ask for advice about adoption specifically.  She hated being adopted so much she came to town and seduced her birth mother's husband!  Plus, she'd probably just recommend pouring booze on someone and/or having them hung from a meat hook.

Also?  Nelle and Maxie in birthing class and being bitches to each other the same day the (who?)'s adoption plans are discussed?  Get ready for a baby swap, ya'll!

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Nice to see Epipany and Brad again. But other than that, this episode was so full of what I hate about this show:

I could see that Nina was going to be Maxie's childbirth partner as soon as the words "childbirth classes" appeared on the show. Was Epiphany not told that Nathan had been killed?   Because if she knew, there's no excuse for her and Nina's behaviour.

I still have zero sympathy for Sonny in the Alzheimer's storyline because he still has no empathy for others even if he is taking the blame. .Also, has no one in Port Charles encountered a person with dementia before?  Only Griffin seems to have a clue and only that because it's his job. But Griffin needs to go back to med school classes on how to deliver bad news because he really screwed that up.

Carly is lucky that there's nowhere else in town to have offices because she's incompetent as a manager. She should have had the police tapes down and that bloody rug out of there as soon as the police left.

What is it with the "the mother of his child will use it against him" stuff?  First it was against Alexis, then Ava, and now Carly. The birth mother of a Corinthos child is always the devil unless it's the sainted Carly.

I settled in to enjoy Brad talking to Alexis, even if Lucas is conveniently in surgery, and then Bard asks Carly to sit in. Nooooo

Just when I thought that Sam and Jason couldn't get any more boring, they have a scene arguing about the Faison will. Leave the flaky metaphors to Maxie, Sam, it's an even worse look on you than all that black is.

Peter, give Drew the memories or don't give them to him. I don't care.

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Nelle and Maxie's squabble was a whole lot of yikes, but I'll give Maxie a pass given what she's going through. Nelle's overdramatic ass needs to stop playing the victim and cut the whining about being alone, because at least her baby's father is alive and well, unlike Maxie's.

Jason actually seemed present and engaged in his scenes today, and I was totally with him on wondering what the hell Sam meant with her pregnancy analogy. This was one of the most naturally friendly scenes I think we've gotten from Sam and Jason, and it worked so much better than their teary eyed stares and supposed longing for days gone by.

Ava tried her best to tame Mike but still got some of her art destroyed and probably won't ever receive an apology from Sonny. Or if he does apologize, it'll come after he's insulted her to her face a dozen times over and reminded her that Morgan's dead because of her.

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This whole partially open adoption thing is making me nervous.  We have two pregnant women now.  Could one of them be the birth mother who doesn't want to divulge any of her information?  The way they're portraying Maxie as somewhat unstable and numb, maybe she's thinking she can't possibly raise this child by herself, so........

Am I crazy?

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7 minutes ago, Linny said:

Jason actually seemed present and engaged in his scenes today

I think SB has been like this since his return. I would say who knew he had it in him but I did know; he and Guza let himself coast.

Carly, the mom wants to know everything about them cause she's giving her damn baby away; does she think teen hooker Bobbie gave all the details about herself?

46 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Also?  Nelle and Maxie in birthing class and being bitches to each other the same day the (who?)'s adoption plans are discussed?  Get ready for a baby swap, ya'll!

Nooooo. I don't need more Maxie (or Nina) tears. Aw fuck.

How did Luke's club fire start?

I wish Ava had been with Nelle instead of Maxie so she could have made a snarky remark about Nina.

@Cheyanne11, I like Alexis and Finn. They have nice chemistry. Although if Finn could not wear those pajamas and have his hair in his face like that simultaneously again, that would be great.

Wait, what? Sam says Jason moves on and Drew is still searching?? Jason has kept looking for Peter and Drew doesn't seem that energized in looking for his memories. 

15 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh I'm rooting for the adoptive mother to be Rebecca Budig, that makes the soapiest amount of sense to me.

I do have a feeling, however this turns out, Lucas (who?) and Brad (who?) will be out a baby.

That would make sense. @Ladyrain I definitely don't think it's Nelle. Could be Maxie but I doubt it. If anything she would probably offer the baby to Nina then in that case.

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4 hours ago, nilyank said:
5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

How was Lois "from trash"? She came from a loving, intact Bensonhurst family, as did Olivia, for that matter.

Lois also established her own career using her talents and skills. While her fashion sense were different and she had a thick accent, she was smart, ambitious and extremely caring to her friends and family. Nothing trashy about that or her.

Lois definitely stuck out like a sore thumb when she married into the Quartermaine family as it was at that time, with Tracey, Edward, elegant Lila, Alan, and Monica front and center. She dressed outlandishly, wore different pairs of garish false nails every day, and spoke with an accent that immediately marked her as alien to the best Port Charles social set. Loud and obnoxious, with a grating voice that insulted polite ears, Lois was a strange bird to the Quartermaines. Marrying Lois was an act of rebellion on Ned's part, a thumbing of his nose to his prominent family, who hoped for a wife of their class and breeding.

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2 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Marrying Lois was an act of rebellion on Ned's part, a thumbing of his nose to his prominent family, who hoped for a wife of their class and breeding.

You mean like Katherine Bell who outwardly had those traits? Because when they discovered that Ned married Lois before he fake married Katherine, they were thrilled about it. As wacky as the Qs were, they sensed that Lois was a good person and way more worthy being a Q than Katherine.

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So if the adoption falls through it will be Julian's fault, I guess?

I'm no Julian lover, but I find this whole thing with him to be excessive.

I hate Nelle more today than I hated her yesterday, and I'll have her more tomorrow than I hated her today. 

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If it weren't Michael's baby, I'd say Carly was trying to steal Nelle's baby and give it to her brother Lucas. It still might be her because she knows Lucas would take care of it. Hey, maybe it's Bobbie behind it!

How is it a "semi open adoption" because the mother knows about the prospective parnets? I thought an open adoption was when the kid knew the birth mother but the rest of adoptions these days the adoptive parents and birth mother know each other.

The one thing that I would be very worried about is the stipulation that the mother can tell the kid about herself when she wants to. I'd get in writing that there has to be time to prepare the kid, and maybe only if the kid agreed to it.

ETA why is everything Julian's fault? Shouldn't the fact that Lucas' sister is the wife of a current mob boss be more disturbing than that Lucas' birth father was one once?

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8 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Loud and obnoxious, with a grating voice that insulted polite ears, Lois was a strange bird to the Quartermaines. Marrying Lois was an act of rebellion on Ned's part, a thumbing of his nose to his prominent family, who hoped for a wife of their class and breeding.

None of this makes Lois "trash." It makes her an outsider at most.

2 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I'm no Julian lover, but I find this whole thing with him to be excessive.

Is his middle name Eli, perchance? /still bitter OLTL fan

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3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

So if the adoption falls through it will be Julian's fault, I guess?

I'm no Julian lover, but I find this whole thing with him to be excessive.

Oh, I have several comments about that...

1) Since we heard ON-SCREEN that Lucas had reservations about having kids because of the Julian connection, I wish we had heard ON-SCREEN why he changed his mind.

2) And since we heard that ON-SCREEN, why was Brad so shocked at the idea that Julian's connection to them would be dragged up.

3) Then there's all of Lucas' other ties to the mob, and Brad's, for that matter.

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8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If it weren't Michael's baby, I'd say Carly was trying to steal Nelle's baby and give it to her brother Lucas. It still might be her because she knows Lucas would take care of it. Hey, maybe it's Bobbie behind it!

If they go with Carly swapping, my theory is that she goes nuts because of the gaslighting Nelle is subjecting her to.  The idea of seeing her enemy raising "Morgan" makes her snap, she snatches the baby and abandons it somewhere, and the baby ends up with Lucas and Brad.

All I really want, for as long as they have a baby, is that Lucas and Brad have a boy they name Tony who cries and barfs all over Carly whenever she gets near him.

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Yeah, Nelle's plan isn't going to work for many reasons besides all her plans are stupid. Jason now knows that Carly is getting these weird calls. He is going to find out what she did and Michael is going to want nothing to do with her. Again.

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6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Ugh, even if it's Carly, I hate the idea that she goes crazy. I'm so tired of the wimmins losing it.

I hear you.  But if they want to involve Carly, they'd for sure do it that way, giving her an out, versus her doing it because she's a buttinski bitch.

Also, it's hard to believe she wouldn't steamroll right over Lucas to claim that baby for herself Sonny Michael once she came to her senses.

I am kinda excited about gay characters possibly being involved in a good old-fashioned baby swap,  I brainstormed a fan fic idea for one for Kyle and Fish (it involved Kim manipulating events to end up as their surrogate), but that's for another time lol.

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8 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But if they want to involve Carly, they'd for sure do it that way, giving her an out, versus her doing it because she's a buttinski bitch.

Sigh. I hate that you're right about this. Carly can never lose. UGH.

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Am I really supposed to feel sorry for Ava about Valentine's Day? Boo hoo, her doctor boyfriend didn't put her first. 

"All Alzheimer's cases end the same. It's just a matter of how you get there and how fast." Griffin, that's life—with or without Alzheimer's. 

LOL at Sam and Jason blithely discussing Faison's will in front of Peter. I know they don't know who he is, but they think Heinrich is still in Port Charles, and they have no idea who knows him.

3 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Was Nelle exposed as being behind that, I don't recall?

Yep. Maxie and Lulu set off a smoke bomb and went undercover in hazmat suits, remember? They photographed the check stub or something like that.

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Sam and Jason discussing Faison's will and the sekrit son in front of Peter reminded me of the Keystone Cops.  How did Sam manage to support herself as a PI?

41 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

"All Alzheimer's cases end the same. It's just a matter of how you get there and how fast." Griffin, that's life—with or without Alzheimer's. 

That's what I thought when I heard him.  Life is hard, and then you die.

I'm sad that Griffin is being written so badly.

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Yep. Maxie and Lulu set off a smoke bomb and went undercover in hazmat suits, remember? They photographed the check stub or something like that.

Lulu's mad investigative skillz at work, snore.

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Peter August sounds as funky as "Robb Derringer" or "Garren Stitt" and they should suspect him on that alone.

But then again, Carly should have declined the call when she saw a random number call her cell, just like I did eleventy fifty times today.

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10 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Carly should have declined the call when she saw a random number call her cell

Carly is acting OOC with this dumb phone-call stuff. She should have answered the phone once, realized it's some sort of  prank, and the threaten to call the cops when it happened again. At the very least, she should have Spyder-Findered the number to find out it's a pay phone (LOL). But instead we have her getting quivery and needing Jason to bail her out. That last part is fine—Jason always bails her out—but for someone who's supposed to be the bravestrongloveswithherwholeheart heroine, her behavior is much too passive.

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5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I still have zero sympathy for Sonny in the Alzheimer's storyline because he still has no empathy for others even if he is taking the blame. 

Please tell me why MB would choose to have Sonny would stand there with his "duh" look watching his father -- who has just been diagnosed with Alzheimer's -- storm off instead of following him or trying to stop him. I don't think he had any lines immediately after that so "scene flow" can't be the excuse. Of all the stupid on the show, this really ticked me off today. Way to tell a meaningful social interest story, folks. 

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20 minutes ago, rur said:

Please tell me why MB would choose to have Sonny would stand there with his "duh" look watching his father -- who has just been diagnosed with Alzheimer's -- storm off instead of following him or trying to stop him. I don't think he had any lines immediately after that so "scene flow" can't be the excuse. Of all the stupid on the show, this really ticked me off today. Way to tell a meaningful social interest story, folks. 

That was the writers choice as they needed for Mike to go to Ava’s gallery and have an incident .

 

Speaking of which, is this was the first time they said that the galaxy is located atbthe spot where Luke’s Place used to be?

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It was weird that Luke's Place was mentioned today.  I was thinking about it just the other day.  I loved that set!  And they brought in some musical guests to perform there.  Cool.  I was not happy when they destroyed that, but hey, it's GH, what did I expect.

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48 minutes ago, rur said:

Please tell me why MB would choose to have Sonny would stand there with his "duh" look watching his father -- who has just been diagnosed with Alzheimer's -- storm off instead of following him or trying to stop him.

To be fair to MB (if I must) that was probably in the script so that Griffin could have a conversation about the disease with the real person that this storyline is affecting -- Sonny.

To be fair to Sonny (it's killing me) he's new to the diagnosis and doesn't realize that you can't let someone with that level of AD just go off on his own.  Going out looking for a missing relative is a sad reality for many. A friend of mine used to sleep on the floor in front of her front door to keep her husband from getting out at night and wandering. I guess those guards at Casa Corinthos are going to come in useful.

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6 hours ago, LillyB said:

It looks like Maxie forgot that Nina had baby rabies so bad that she stole Avery and ran off to Canada. If I were Maxie. I would not trust Nina with a goldfish.

Maxie has clearly also forgotten that Nina is married to a man that masterminded keeping Charlotte from Lulu all of her life, and Nina was the one to encourage Valentin to marry her to keep Charlotte in their custody. I don't understand why being Nathan's sister/cousin affords Nina all of this sudden leeway with Maxie. Has she forgotten that it was Nina firing her from Crimson that was the catalyst for her losing months with Nathan?

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8 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Maxie has clearly also forgotten that Nina is married to a man that masterminded keeping Charlotte from Lulu all of her life, and Nina was the one to encourage Valentin to marry her to keep Charlotte in their custody. I don't understand why being Nathan's sister/cousin affords Nina all of this sudden leeway with Maxie. Has she forgotten that it was Nina firing her from Crimson that was the catalyst for her losing months with Nathan?

Maxie didn't forget because she lost her job because she was helping Lulu to see Charlotte. She lost months with Nathan because she could only find another job in her field that took her away from Port Charles but actually allowed her to live near her own daughter. There was nothing stopping Nathan from following Maxie. It's not like the PCPD was going to fall apart if he left.

When Maxie returned, she wanted to go back to Crimson and agreed to stay out of the business involving Charlotte and all her parents/step-parents because she wanted to live in Port Charles with Nathan and work at Crimson.

Right now Maxie is grieving over Nathan and Nina is one of the few people that shares the same intense feeling of loss as Maxie. 

Finally, Maxie is angry at Lulu and isn't thinking about her in any way.

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LOL it's rich sh*t that Brad would sit with a straight face and  complain Julian's indiscretions could cost him and Lucas a baby when Brad was so f**king guilty of helping his best crazy friend take and steal a baby a embryo and keep it as her own. Not only was he willing to help her keep the secret and lie about it the whole time but he defrauded the medical system and broke his oath as a doctor and it's the one thing that nearly cost him having a relationship and future with Lucas. Forget what Julian may have done and might be capable of doing that is what would honestly first come up in the adoption process that'd make any potential mother not bother thinking twice about allowing a man capable of that sort of moral decay have her child. The first person that should knock Brad and Lucas off the potential adopting parents list is Brad.

Maybe it's me maybe it's that I find her so boring and a lifeless ass but Sam talks a lot and doesn't say anything that means anything. All that comes out of her mouth now is Drew this and Drew that and taking care of Drew and making sure Drew is happy and I am not here for that. Drew should be an adult who can handle his own stupid sh*t and shouldn't need his wife babying him like her third child. Drew is a dipsh*t and Jason isn't far behind.

Before they turn Peter around and make him a good guy or whatever the plan is can he first kill Valentin and Nina for me? He already got rid of Nathan and for that I am eternally grateful but I actually have a longer hit list and I need him to get to work and sooner the better. He can have his Franco he is redeemed and all is forgiven moment where everyone acts like it wasn't a big deal and he did the whole world a favor and he had a brain tumor or maybe gallstones or appendicitis or inflamed tonsils.

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The good:  Kevin and Andre both being good psychiatrists.  Alexis and Finn's friendship; Andre and Anna's friendship.  Faison having Huntingdon's, an interesting swerve that affects not only Anna's missing child but also Henrik and Maxie's unborn child.

The great:  the new cop not giving a fuck about Sonny and his grandstanding. It will last maybe two seconds but I'll enjoy it while I can.

Otherwise:

Does Jason think that he's a cop?  Why did he take Carly to the police station and then interrogate her like a cop without the real cop in the room?

Sonny:  You saw Mike first. Why didn't you warn me?  Bensch:  HIPPA HIPPA HIPPA.  Sonny:  I DON'T CARE.

"You called the cops on my father!"  Ava was far more gracious to Sonny than he deserves and he thanks her with "Ava Jerome, she's seen and done a lot worse." So have you, Sonny. It's irresistible putting her down, isn't it? You could have said something like "Ava won't mind".

Kevin should be in the Alzheimer's storyline.  It's painful watching poor Mike struggle.  Still don't care about Sonny's pain.

Poor Liz, they had to bring back Epipany so she could have one friend to take her out the night before her wedding. Poor Liz, everything about her life ends up being about either Jason or Franco. Or both.

Kiki needs noise to study so she picks a pool hall where the balls clash. Bensch "O above C above O".  What does that even mean?  The CO2 moleule is in a straight line but not necessarily vertical.

Anna:  "The only gift I have to give my daughter is that she will never know who her father is. Was." A parallel to Obrecht or a co-incidence?

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The hell, it's the night before Liz and Franco's wedding?

As Liz and Franco were talking to Piph and Kevin, respectively, about the tumor, whether Franco has any other dark impulses in him, blah blah blah, I kept wishing someone, anyone would point out all the things Franco did AFTER the tumor was removed.  Stabbing Heather, setting up a theatrical punishment for Carly/Sonny/Michael, helping Nina abscond with Avery, locking Tom Baker up in a dog cage and using a shock collar on him, etc., etc., etc.  Because of the two of them keep talking like Franco only did bad stuff under the influence of the tumor and it's NOT true.

Relatedly, I had to snort at Franco's assertion that one more lie would cost him Liz.  She has forgiven him every.  Single.  Thing.  Usually without a second's hesitation.  This drama is just so false.

So glad they fired Dillon and brought back Dr. Bensch to creep on Kiki, said no one ever. 

And did we really need Andre back?

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It seems glaringly obvious that Greg Evigan is gong to be the child abuser, and he and dumbass Betsy allowed Franco to take the blame.  And please show, don't bring her back to whimper and cry and "Oh Bawby" her way through an explanation.

3 hours ago, TV Mercenary said:

LOL it's rich sh*t that Brad would sit with a straight face and  complain Julian's indiscretions could cost him and Lucas a baby when Brad was so f**king guilty of helping his best crazy friend take and steal a baby a embryo and keep it as her own. Not only was he willing to help her keep the secret and lie about it the whole time but he defrauded the medical system and broke his oath as a doctor and it's the one thing that nearly cost him having a relationship and future with Lucas. Forget what Julian may have done and might be capable of doing that is what would honestly first come up in the adoption process that'd make any potential mother not bother thinking twice about allowing a man capable of that sort of moral decay have her child. The first person that should knock Brad and Lucas off the potential adopting parents list is Brad.

Maybe it's me maybe it's that I find her so boring and a lifeless ass but Sam talks a lot and doesn't say anything that means anything. All that comes out of her mouth now is Drew this and Drew that and taking care of Drew and making sure Drew is happy and I am not here for that. Drew should be an adult who can handle his own stupid sh*t and shouldn't need his wife babying him like her third child. Drew is a dipsh*t and Jason isn't far behind.

Before they turn Peter around and make him a good guy or whatever the plan is can he first kill Valentin and Nina for me? He already got rid of Nathan and for that I am eternally grateful but I actually have a longer hit list and I need him to get to work and sooner the better. He can have his Franco he is redeemed and all is forgiven moment where everyone acts like it wasn't a big deal and he did the whole world a favor and he had a brain tumor or maybe gallstones or appendicitis or inflamed tonsils.

I completely agree with you, but when did Brad become a doctor.  I despise the character so I fast forward his rare scenes, but I remember him as being a simple lab supervisor.

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