Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

I wonder if we're going to see this high school reunion on-screen, because that would give a me a #rageembolism.  It'd be Amy 2.0, Nathan, Dillon, and Kiki surrounded by two or three extras.  No Lucas, no bringing Brook Lynn back to town for it, no mention of Georgie, etc.

Edited May 30, 2017 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Did someone call Robin to tell her where the hell Emma is?

[dubbel zout]

The Jason/Valentin/minion fight was better blocked than usual, I'll give them that.

I love Sonny's exasperation at having to go down to the station to give his statement. "Ava's alive. Isn't that enough?" Ugh, he's such a douche.

[ulkis]

"Don't worry Carly! We'll get through the smoky hallway together!" Aaaand they're out after the commercial break.

The writing could be fantastic but the way they can't afford to have a bunch of people in a scene anymore makes it all look raggedy anyway.

I hope Dante would have at least called someone about the fire before he found out it was the gallery lol. And who the hell called him anyway? If it was a private citizen, how would they have Dante's number?

[ava]WHO CARES WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO MORGAN?[/ava] I think I understood just about two words Ava said.

Oh, good, someone Nina cares for got shot. No chance for Stafford to chew scenery there.

1 hour ago, Vella said:

But I did love the contrast of LW coughing and wheezing and acting the shit out of the smoke filled warehouse bits while MB put his hand in front of his mouth and made ZERO effort to do more than rattle off his lines in that bored tone of his.  He doesn't try! Put him out to pasture GH!

Mo, like me, may have been confused as to just how much freaking smoke there was supposed to be, heh.

[lor]

why did ava have to get burned? did carly and Sonny have no signal in the warehouse to call 911? sonny should have called dante before chasing after ava. 

so after helena had the chimera for 30 years jake gives it back because liz loves him. where did those guys come from? did they have a room in the metro court? 

are we supposed to believe that amy has been in port charles for the past 10 years and Maxie never saw her? will Maxie come back? why isnt nathan in portland?

[P3pp3rb1rd]

9 hours ago, Bill C. said:

And how the fuck did Lulu change out of the Giant Pink Explosion so damn fast?

Lulu probably took a big pair of scissors and just cut the damn thing into a pile of pink ribbons.

Edited May 31, 2017 by P3pp3rb1rd
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[Perkie]

55 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I hope CT felt her return was worth it to renew her health insurance coverage.

The blocking for Helena was super weird.  Clearly CT taped her scenes by herself with no one else around and they didn't bother telling her where Jake would actually be standing so that she could look in that direction.  The whole time I was wondering why Helena was looking into the audience instead of across the stage where Jake was standing.  

 

56 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Ava, why didn't you check your escape route beforehand? 

Well, in her defence she didn't know Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber were going to find her at the warehouse and that she'd have to burn the place down.  She thought she was going out the front door the same way she came in.  But I also think she could have stayed by the partially opened back door to breath in clean air, once she saw that she couldn't go out the front way.  

 

13 minutes ago, ulkis said:

d who the hell called him anyway? If it was a private citizen, how would they have Dante's number?

I got the sense that whoever saw the fire called the station and the station called Dante to check it out.  

[dubbel zout]

18 minutes ago, ulkis said:

[ava]WHO CARES WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO MORGAN?[/ava] I think I understood just about two words Ava said.

I get Ava was scrambling to justify messing with Morgan's meds, but expecting Sonny and Carly to notice something was wrong and act on it? Ava, you've met these people. Also, she has no excuse for what she did. I wish she'd just stick with that. Own that it wasn't a good plan from the start.

4 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Well, in her defence she didn't know Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber were going to find her at the warehouse and that she'd have to burn the place down.  She thought she was going out the front door the same way she came in.

Scott told her Sonny and Carly knew everything, so it shouldn't have been a surprise that they showed up. I'd rather she'd have been waiting for Carly and Sonny to be a decent distant from the room they were in and been overcome with smoke. Which is what ultimately happened anyway.

Edited May 30, 2017 by dubbel zout

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Was that Laura playing charades with the kiddies and Lulu when they got home after the Ball? Considering the late hour, why weren't they put to bed immediately or calmed down with milk and cookies and a change of clothes?

[Perkie]

8 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Was that Laura playing charades with the kiddies and Lulu when they got home after the Ball? Considering the late hour, why weren't they put to bed immediately or calmed down with milk and cookies and a change of clothes?

The kids changed into pyjamas (I get that Lulu has clothes for Charlotte on hand, but she has clothes in Emma's size on hand??) then had milk and cookies but were too worried about Papa and Grandma to go to bed, so Lulu and Laura were trying to distract them with the charades game.  

[seasons]

Taking Ava out on the stretcher - they showed them taking her out feet first and it looked like a body bag. I was a little taken aback when you could see that her face was burned. 

[ulkis]

I bet Lulu's pjs would fit Emma well enough.

[Darklazr]

4 hours ago, Vella said:

Liz finally being allowed to play an instrumental part in her kid's life. Liz being the one to reach Jake so he'll turn the thing off. GOOD. I'm so sick of Franco and Jason, basically strangers to Jake, no matter what the show attempts to insist, playing a more important part in what's going on with him than Liz.

And of course Jason doesn't go to the hospital. What an asshole, Liz should have rolled her eyes at that "I got stuff to do here" bullshit of his. I hate it when Jason doesn't get called out for being a bad parent to Jake.

But I did love the contrast of LW coughing and wheezing and acting the shit out of the smoke filled warehouse bits while MB put his hand in front of his mouth and made ZERO effort to do more than rattle off his lines in that bored tone of his.  He doesn't try! Put him out to pasture GH!

This!  Elizabeth has been an artist on this show for almost two decades and should have been the one helping Jake along with Andre/Kevin.

Jason IS full of shit.

Damn.  I was hoping at least half this bloated cast would have been killed off and nada.  FV, Varni and Jelly need to go!

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, lor said:

are we supposed to believe that amy has been in port charles for the past 10 years and Maxie never saw her? will Maxie come back? why isnt nathan in portland?

KSt said she is coming back soon.

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, Linny said:

I did think that Jake did a good job acting with his eyes as he hesitated between listening to Liz or Helena.

 

The kid playing Jake was 100% the best actor in those scenes.

As much as I hate Liz, and as much as BH's cry voice annoys the hell outta me, I was glad she got to be the one to keep Jake from unleashing the chimera. 

I can't at the show presenting it as if Carly/Sonny would've tried to save Ava. Please stop with this bullshit.

Everything is so boring.

[dubbel zout]

Man, I hate this story. Forget the Amy 2.0 angle, which is bad enough. I really dislike how it's being written that Maxie is a selfish bitch for wanting to take a job that's great for her and allows her to spend time with her daughter. A father would be practically deified for the same thing. The double standard on this fakakta show is so aggravating.

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The Jason/Valentin/minion fight was better blocked than usual, I'll give them that.

I love Sonny's exasperation at having to go down to the station to give his statement. "Ava's alive. Isn't that enough?" Ugh, he's such a douche.

It was odd how affronted Sonny and Carly seemed when Dante asked them if Ava was still alive. Yes, how unreasonable.

[dubbel zout]

And then Sonny gets all insulted that Dante thought he might have had something to do with the fire. As if Sonny had some sort of history of violence, or animosity toward Ava. The nerve!

[Benji]

Have I missed something ? Why does Amy hate Maxie ? Do they have history that I've missed ? Amy is really not a likable person. Gossipy, pushy, manipulative, whiny...and I hate her voice.

[ulkis]

Roger Howorth has finally gotten a haircut.

[peachmangosteen]

3 minutes ago, Benji said:

Have I missed something ? Why does Amy hate Maxie ? Do they have history that I've missed ? Amy is really not a likable person. Gossipy, pushy, manipulative, whiny...and I hate her voice.

They're saying that Amy was in high school with Maxie (and Dillon) and that Maxie was mean to her.

ETA: RoHo looks a million times better with the haircut. LOL at the pre-cut pic of him.

Edited May 30, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Melgaypet]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

They're saying that Amy was in high school with Maxie (and Dillon) and that Maxie was mean to her.

Even though I recall that Maxie was the one who was bullied. Maxie was the kid who got suspended for punching someone who taunted her over Felicia's abandonment and whose loser boyfriend filmed taking her virginity and put it online. She didn't even attend her prom. So this backstory is nonsense. I trust no one is shocked.

[Perkie]

36 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I really dislike how it's being written that Maxie is a selfish bitch for wanting to take a job that's great for her

Right?  And Amy's all, "she can get a job anywhere".  Not if she's in fashion/magazine she can't.  Plus is she can, than Nathan can get a job in Portland.  I;m pretty sure they have a police department there.  Have the writers even addressed that and I missed it?  

[ulkis]

Nope. No one is suggesting he move his ass out there.

[TeeVee329]

Yeah, didn't Amy 2.0 tell some story about Maxie being, like, head cheerleader and wouldn't let Amy 2.0 be on the squad, none of which rang true to me.

 I also don't think Dillon was the type of hunky HS-er that girls would have been getting crushes on, wasn't he also supposed to be something of a loner/outsider?

[dubbel zout]

20 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Nope. No one is suggesting he move his ass out there.

Of course not. A man do any work in a relationship? Preposterous. (Though Nathan has been pretty good, especially when compared to other GH men.)

Edited May 30, 2017 by dubbel zout
spelling; arg

[Ambrosefolly]

4 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Even though I recall that Maxie was the one who was bullied. Maxie was the kid who got suspended for punching someone who taunted her over Felicia's abandonment and whose loser boyfriend filmed taking her virginity and put it online. She didn't even attend her prom. So this backstory is nonsense. I trust no one is shocked.

 

Hey, stop with that whole "history" thing! You know it is too hard for FV & Jelly! Maxie backstory is what they write right now, not what we watched with our lying eyes. 

Considering what a double crossing bitch she is, I wouldn't mind if they honored Maxie's history and have it turn out that Amy was the bully because Maxie was just that low on the food chain in high school.

[TeeVee329]

17 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Nope. No one is suggesting he move his ass out there.

To be fair, Maxie's job was supposed to be temporary, subbing for someone on maternity leave.  But yeah, once it became permanent, the show should have thrown in SOME reason Nathan couldn't move to Portland.  Even something stupid like, I dunno, the PCPD being short-handed and Nathan volunteering to stay until they got some new hires.

In other news, what is Amy 2.0's endgame with this advice column?  Does she want to quit her nursing job and make that career?  Is it just for fun?  What?

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

the show should have thrown in SOME reason Nathan couldn't move to Portland.  Even something stupid like, I dunno, the PCPD being short-handed and Nathan volunteering to stay until they got some new hires.

Nathan's reason could be that he doesn't want to live in Portland. That's valid, to me. But the idea that living in separate cities somehow means the marriage is in trouble or over is ridiculous. I'd rather the problems start when Maxie comes back and she and Nathan have trouble adjusting to being together all the time.

But why choose the more interesting story when you can write the easier one?

[TeeVee329]

I mean, I want to cut them some slack because Maxie's absence from the canvas has to be open-ended due to real-life issues.  But still, they didn't have to write...this.

[HeatLifer]

If OGLulu was taking care of Robin's kid, I would've been so giddy.

[tvgoddess]

Helena made me laugh, I'm ashamed to say at Release the Chimera! That line almost sounded like Ron wrote it, it was that cheesy.

So who were those guys with the guns? How did they know about it? Why am I even asking, I don't care.

MSt's acting was all kinds of awful.

I liked that Dante is playing everything by the book, for once. He blew off Scott at the Ball, but at least he isn't bending over for Sonny and is actually interrogating them.

I can forever watch Ava holding a gun on Sonny and calling he and Carly hypocrites. Finally. About damn time.

[Cheyanne11]

Just now, tvgoddess said:

I can forever watch Ava holding a gun on Sonny and calling he and Carly hypocrites. Finally. About damn time.

I about died laughing when Carly screamed, all indignant, 'what about us?' when Ava called them on their shitty parenting.  Those two hypocrites will never think they're anything but Parents of the Year, which in and of itself is the biggest running gag on GH.

[tvgoddess]

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The kids changed into pyjamas (I get that Lulu has clothes for Charlotte on hand, but she has clothes in Emma's size on hand??) then had milk and cookies but were too worried about Papa and Grandma to go to bed, so Lulu and Laura were trying to distract them with the charades game.  

Baby Rabies Lulu probably has clothes for kids of every size, boys and girls hidden away in her closet.

[ciarra]

Anna, where is your gun?  If you're no longer supposed to karate-kick people in the face due to your health condition, shouldn't you at least carry your gun?  A purse?  A phone?   Tic-tacs?

I dunno.  Jake isn't three years old.  Why couldn't anyone say, "if you open that canister, you'll kill us all"?  I doubt it would shock him enough to drop it.

Poor Dante.  Stuck with Carly and Sonny, expecting them to act with logic and compassion.  "You left Ava in a burning building?"  He's known these two for years, but he just can't believe it.

That was some of the cheesiest "fighting" since Batman aired.

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

 

 

4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

 

Poor Dante.  Stuck with Carly and Sonny, expecting them to act with logic and compassion.  "You left Ava in a burning building?"  He's known these two for years, but he just can't believe it.

 

 

And so put out that they have to actually go give a statement.  "It has to be NOW?"  So used to Dante giving them special treatment that they don't act human anymore.

[Nalan]

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

MSt's acting was all kinds of awful.

Meh.  Awful or not, I appreciate that Nina did one thing right today -- not question Valentin when he whispered for her to run and just got the hell out of the room.  Smartest I'd ever seen her act.

[statsgirl]

I was yelling at her to run as soon as they guys with guns showed up but she stuck around so I'll give her half marks.  And just how did those guys know Jake had the Chimera anyway and show up just in time?  Did they know he wasn't going to release it?  Because if they thought he might, why weren't they running?  And what post-hynotic sugestion did Helena give Jake anyway?  Was so so specific as "When I'm diead, you'll receive a magic kit for your birthday. You must do a magic performance at the next Nurses Ball and open the xannister with the Chimera on it."  How did she know all that?  So many questions.

I was afraid that Sonny was going to end up saving Ava because he's a HERO so I'm glad they kept him in character.

I noticed that Lucky Gold wrote this episode.  I remember him from the old Guiding Light days.

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

In other news, what is Amy 2.0's endgame with this advice column?  Does she want to quit her nursing job and make that career?  Is it just for fun?  What?

I think she said something about it making money through advertising when it gets all the hits so either she wants to quit her job or keep it as a sideline.  But I wasn't paying a lot of attention, it's too silly.

[Nalan]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I was yelling at her to run as soon as they guys with guns showed up but she stuck around so I'll give her half marks.

Pretty sure she got blindsided while trying to call the cops, so she had no choice.

[ulkis]

49 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I noticed that Lucky Gold wrote this episode.  I remember him from the old Guiding Light days.

I don't know why they don't reach out to the writers they fired when FV came on the show. Bleh.

1 hour ago, ciarra said:

Poor Dante.  Stuck with Carly and Sonny, expecting them to act with logic and compassion.  "You left Ava in a burning building?"  He's known these two for years, but he just can't believe it.

Oh, he can believe it I think. He was just confirming it, lol.

Honestly I don't think it's that heinous of Sonny and Carly. Burning building, their asses or the woman who screwed over their son, it would have been bullshit if they went back for her, logically and for meta reasons.

Edited May 31, 2017 by ulkis

[rags]

All caught up. This is why I love Kimberly McC. She was on for a minute, pre taped, and still was the shining moment of this year's NB debacle.

[NutmegsDad]

Two minions break into the ballroom, guns fixed on Jason, and I wondered, "Hey, this is Soldier Boy. He's defeated three guys with guns while unarmed. This should be over quickly."

 

Then I remembered, "Oh yeah, Sam isn't in peril, so, yeah, they have the drop on him."

[Asp Burger]

This is not an original thought at this point, but I too am a combination of pleased and flabbergasted that Elizabeth was the star player in the Jake Whispering.  It's a rare case on GH (or any soap opera, really, even when one is on a good run) when I thought I saw what was coming and I was completely wrong. I was sure Elizabeth was going to get three quick reaction shots of anxiety while Jason and Franco did all the important work, and then a teary mother/son hug when the crisis had passed (while Franco/Jason hovered on the sides, looking pleased with themselves). Nope. She got a speech, and it was not even bad. The thing about Helena believing her hate for everyone in the world was stronger than Elizabeth's love for Jake, and being wrong...good one, Lucky Gold.    

Maybe once, just once, the female head writers did some good here, assuming they diagrammed this out. Elizabeth is and has been the constant presence in that kid's life, except for the years he was "dead." The father figures have been in flux. She should have been the one to do this, while the guys played a smaller role. And damned if that is not what happened.  

None of this was worth Constance Towers's time, though, and I am afraid Helena ran her course long, long before this latest death. The thrill is gone. I want Constance to still work when she wants to, but...in some other role, some other project.

Re: Amy 2.0 and her retconned crush. I actually think it's fairly plausible that a teenage version of this character would have a crush on an earlier version of either Dillon. Either the brainy/pudgy/spike-haired/geeky-cute Clifton Dillon or the suave/model-looking/geeky-hunky RPW Dillon.  

Re: The fire at the Jerome Gallery. I had the volume kind of low and I at first thought Carly's "We can't just leave her here" was "Can't we just leave her here?" until Sonny replied as if trying to talk her out of whatever she had been suggesting. With Carly, I'd have believed either version.  

Edited May 31, 2017 by Asp Burger

[TheMediaHo]

Love me some Hells. Now with Jane Elliott gone, who is there to pick up the fashion mantle and use their own fabulous wardrobe instead of the shmattas handed out by the Wardrobe Department (examples, LuLu, Sam)? Constance Towers, that's who! And there's no real proof that Hells is most sincerely dead...

[dr. gailey]

So to sum up this bullshit that was the chimera story. Sam's traumatic birth of Scout lead to Jake being afraid of Jason and something happening to Sam and her kids. No one can get to him but Franco. Kid goes to a shrink to tell him scarecrow and witch were friends.

Jake spends all his time drawing random shit on a poster. Jason dreams of choking Jake. Franco thinks kid scared of his dad. Jasam set aside feelings to work with Friz to help the kid. Jason goes to CI to have Franco beat him up. Once again Jason has to thank the piece of shit for nothing. Shakes the hand of the man that faux raped his wife and lead her to believe she was having his demon seed.

Fastforward to this wack ass Nurse's Ball were nothing happens. No one dies and no lives are changed forever once again.

Jelly and Frank can all get fired.

[TeeVee329]

I still can't get over that none of this could have happened because Jason and Helena WERE BOTH POPSICLES.

[LexieLily]

And somehow Helena's curse on Sam ("those that begot you and those you begot") that Jake should have known nothing about timeline-wise became all about Jake and Franco.

Edited May 31, 2017 by LexieLily

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Re: Amy 2.0 and her retconned crush. I actually think it's fairly plausible that a teenage version of this character would have a crush on an earlier version of either Dillon. Either the brainy/pudgy/spike-haired/geeky-cute Clifton Dillon or the suave/model-looking/geeky-hunky RPW Dillon.  

I think the main objection isn't to the crush itself, but that it came out of nowhere—we only just met Amy 2.0, and suddenly she's not only a high school classmate of Maxie and Dillon's, but she was bullied by Maxie and has a giant crush on Dillon, who himself has been in the background. It's...a lot for someone so new and of her level of character. 

[TeeVee329]

I mean, how many ways can I say it - Sonny and Carly do not work as protagonists, as "heroes", the way the show seems to want them to, they just don't.

I also rolled my eyes the minute I saw Dante was the one questioning them.

That's all I got.

Edited May 31, 2017 by TeeVee329

[LexieLily]

Nina, Valentin told you to check on Charlotte, not charge over to Lulu's late at night with the intent of taking her home. And bless her, why is Nina so shocked that her husband the murderer could have had something to do with unleashing the chimera toxin?