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6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Why is Michael humiliated by Nelle? It's not as if they ever slept together. He said they barely started anything. 

 

Because god forbid the collective Corinthii aren't portrayed as the righteous, wronged parties in this situation.  Let's just be thankful Nelle didn't actually sleep with Sonny, as she would've no doubt become pregnant (because Sonny is just teeming with testosterone) and the embryo would already be designated as Property of Corinthos and Nelle an unfit mother for still wearing her hair like Jan Brady.

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38 minutes ago, Linny said:

Yessss, Liv and Ava are finally meeting! Both actresses are great, so this should be fun.

Yeah, I think so too.  Olivia J. showing up at the end, martini in hand as a white flag, was fun.  I kinda wish Ava would just plop down on the couch next to her and they could have a bitch sesh about Julian et. al, but I'm sure she's just gonna launch into yelling at her for killing Morgan.  Meh.

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45 minutes ago, Linny said:

Michael is kinda hot when he's angry

Agree.  I actually saw chemistry between Michael and Nelle today for the first time ever.  

 

40 minutes ago, cmahorror said:

So, Robin's in the elevator, right?

I thought that too when they showed us the long shot of the elevator, but then they showed us the bomb.  Although I guess Robin could be in there with the bomb.  

 

36 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Dante worried about his boo?

LOVED the look he had when he heard Robin was missing.  

I thought Finn was an infectious disease specialist when he treated Tracy for her brain worms.  Today, he called himself a hematologist to treat Anna.   I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv but are both of those the same thing?  

Where the frack is Jordan?

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I'd have loved it if Anna had screamed when Finn stuck the needle in.

Carly was delusional if she thought Joss wouldn't figure out what supposedly happened between Nelle and Sonny. It's Sonny, after all. It's pretty easy to figure out.

Nelle. GURL. Saying you tricked Sonny into thinking he slept with you, and you only drugged him, doesn't do you any favors. Take your lumps and move on.

The physical casting of Laura Wright and Eden McCoy is really good.

Why are the elevators closed? Is it part of the lockdown? Who rigged the elevator bomb? When did that happen? 

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That little baby is very very cute. 

Jordan has gone missing. Robin is missing and the hospital is going to blow up with everyone there except for Sonny. Maybe Franco will get buried in the rubble.

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16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Why are the elevators closed? Is it part of the lockdown

Yes.  Finn was all antsy to leave (so he could go shoot up) but Dante told him everything is on lockdown until they catch Liv.  

 

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Who rigged the elevator bomb? When did that happen? 

Liv.  During the commercial break.  Pay attention!

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54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL that Sam never changed clothes in the hospital. She's in the clothes she gave birth in. Ew.

 

She's not.   She was wearing a billowy v neck cut shirt last week.  Today she had on a ribbed white long sleeved shirt.

 

That baby is the cutest.  When Sam made the same face as her....so cute.  And she looked like she was smiling when Sam said what her name was.  I always liked EMily, so I am happy with the name.  Scout however.....still awful.  But I'll live with it.

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21 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Who rigged the elevator bomb? When did that happen? 

Liv.  During the commercial break.  Pay attention!

Hee.

1 minute ago, mybabyaidan said:

She was wearing a billowy v neck cut shirt last week.  Today she had on a ribbed white long sleeved shirt.

Wow, I really do need to pay attention.

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I've been told by a friend that the judge in the (current) Charlotte custody case is the same judge that preceded over the case when it was Griffin/Anna vs Valentin. Does anyone remember that being the case? If so that calls a lot into question about this case. Like why Valentin submitted an affidavit about Charlotte's conception when presumably the judge should already know that. I remember Claudette being brought up in that trial (Valentin is "Papa" and Charlotte only called Griffin "my daddy" because Claudette told her too) so why isn't Claudette important to talk about in this trial?

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7 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

 

Does Scotty a) know Olivia J. and b) still live at Ava's

 

I'm pretty sure Ava kicked him out when she caught him and Lucy doing the nasty all over the place.  Julian's been living with Ava, since he moved out of Alexis'.  She was complaining to Kiki today that Julian drank all her vodka

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7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

At that trial, they didn't know Lulu was the bio mom. And everyone now believes Claudette to be dead. 

But Valentin just said yesterday on the stand that he had known since Charlotte's conception that Lulu was the bio mom.

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3 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

But Valentin just said yesterday on the stand that he had known since Charlotte's conception that Lulu was the bio mom.

But the Griffin/Anna/Valentin trial was months ago, before Lulu found out she was the bio mom (and I'm certain before the writers knew that Valentin knew that Lulu was the bio mother)

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The baby was the only thing I cared about on the show today. As a matter of fact, they could have given her all of the time devoted to that Nelle and Furby shit. It is a damn shame that the best thing going for a show is a baby that can't even talk yet.

I don't get why folks easily believe Nelle about sleeping with Sonny. She hasn't displayed any signs of morning sickness. Everyone knows if Sonny has slept with you another spawn would be on the way by now.

The baby was the only thing I cared about on the show today. As a matter of fact, they could have given her all of the time devoted to that Nelle and Furby shit. It is a damn shame that the best thing going for a show is a baby that can't even talk yet.

I don't get why folks easily believe Nelle about sleeping with Sonny. She hasn't displayed any signs of morning sickness. Everyone knows if Sonny has slept with you another spawn would be on the way by now.

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1 minute ago, dr. gailey said:

I don't get why folks easily believe Nelle about sleeping with Sonny.

Because they know Sonny.

For the purposes of the Griffin/Anna trial, it doesn't matter if Valentin knew Lulu was Charlotte's bio mom. He was trying to keep Charlotte away from Griffin.

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1 hour ago, Perkie said:

...they showed us the long shot of the elevator, but then they showed us the bomb.  Although I guess Robin could be in there with the bomb.  

I'm just lurking about three episodes behind, but reading this I am wondering if ironically Anna's grandchild--Robin's child--is fixin' to be killed in the elevator by the same person as Anna's child with Dewq in the 'way distant past? Oh Show you are teh Evul...

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The baby was the only thing I cared about on the show today.

Such is the secret of soaps, even in their death throes. Those scenes were the only ones I skipped.  

Unrelated: When Olivia J. was all "You have a dilemma, Father. You can save Anna or you can shoot me," I was so hoping he'd shoot her in the knee or the shin. See how much of an escape she could manage then. My opinion of Griffin would have skyrocketed.  

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4 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

ironically Anna's grandchild--Robin's child--is fixin' to be killed in the elevator like Anna's child with Dewq in the 'way distant past?

When Anna asked LIv where Robin was, Liv said something like history repeating itself, so I'm guessing that's what's going to happen.  

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That was a decent episode. I didn't feel the need to fast forward anything.

Monica: Why aren't I hearing about this from the commissioner.

Poor Dante. Someone should at least throw him some kind of promotion. He's incompetent, but he's never dawdled on the job.

"He didn't even leave any olives/You don't have any olives." Hee. I liked Kiki's sweater, not a fan of Ava's sleeves though. Her arms gestures are already kinda distracting and they emphasized it. Also Kiki pulling the vodka out of the bag was funny. 

Olivia reminds me though, that this show doesn't really have any villains that are in their right mind. The ones that are are all made into anti-villains with hearts of gold. It would be nice to have a balance.

Monica saying "after my Emily?" was dumb but her being touched by it was sweet. KeMo looks great in that white shirt but it looks ridiculous for her to wear it in a hospital bed.

Out of all the small beats that this show has decided to include, they decide to show Carly explaining how Nelle is bad to Joss? And that there'll be no more Woodstock concerts for her and Nelle? I guess that is the only way they can show that their family was WRECKED because no one else gives a shit that Sonny and Carly are on the outs. But man, Joss really knows nothing about Sonny, huh? Also idiotic how Carly didn't think Joss wasn't gonna figure that one out. Bonus points to Joss though for saying "ew, Sonny and Nelle? That's so gross!"

Putting this here because they both look cute (Griffin should wear black tees more often) and it was funny:

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Meh.  Nelle should have been Carly's kid that she abandoned after sleeping with Reese's father and destroys the entire Corinthos family.  Nelle switching out Sonny's meds, terrorizing cornfield Joss, sabotaging the hotel, and setting Michael up with hookers.  

Emily wasn't too fond of Sam when she died.

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21 minutes ago, ulkis said:

"He didn't even leave any olives/You don't have any olives."

The Jerome ladies are psychos, but they have their priorities straight.

23 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Joss really knows nothing about Sonny, huh?

I like to think it's intentional. She doesn't want to waste time thinking about him.  Plus, she spends a lot of time away from Port Charles. 

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12 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

 

Emily wasn't too fond of Sam when she died.

No that inappropriate smiling **** wasn't, that's why it's ridiculous that Sam's daughter is named after that b!nt. 

But I can appreciate that Sam is naming the kid after a Quartermain. Sam has always respected the Qs and let them in on her children's lives, so it's great that Sam is keeping that connection alive. 

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14 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

Meh.  Nelle should have been Carly's kid that she abandoned after sleeping with Reese's father and destroys the entire Corinthos family.  Nelle switching out Sonny's meds, terrorizing cornfield Joss, sabotaging the hotel, and setting Michael up with hookers.  

I think her being AJ's (or even Tony's) daughter would have made the most sense.

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That baby is so cute. Sam was making the same pouty face at her. <3

It was nice that they named her after Emily. Since Danny was named after her brother. Though Emily Scout doesn't sound natural at all. 

Jeez Joss couldnt you get to that conclusion quicker. Sonny is a man whore.

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13 minutes ago, backhometome said:

That baby is so cute. Sam was making the same pouty face at her. <3

It was nice that they named her after Emily. Since Danny was named after her brother. Though Emily Scout doesn't sound natural at all. 

Jeez Joss couldnt you get to that conclusion quicker. Sonny is a man whore.

Well, even if not natural, Emily is preferable to Scout (to me).

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33 minutes ago, Jazzy24 said:

No that inappropriate smiling **** wasn't, that's why it's ridiculous that Sam's daughter is named after that b!nt. 

But I can appreciate that Sam is naming the kid after a Quartermain. Sam has always respected the Qs and let them in on her children's lives, so it's great that Sam is keeping that connection alive. 

For me, it wasn't so much about Emily as it was about Monica.  This is kinda the least Sam and Jason can do for her, considering they don't plan to stop being best friends with her son's murderer.

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

That little baby is very very cute. 

 

1 hour ago, dr. gailey said:

The baby was the only thing I cared about on the show today. 

This. I love that baby.

I also liked when Dante said, "What?!" with an implied 'lol' after Griffin told him what Liv did. And I liked his reaction to Robin's kidnapping.

I love how no one cares that Jordan is missing. I don't either. She can stay gone.

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10 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

For me, it wasn't so much about Emily as it was about Monica.  This is kinda the least Sam and Jason can do for her, considering they don't plan to stop being best friends with her son's murderer.

C'mon, that's not fair.  After all, AJ was fat.

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1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

 

Such is the secret of soaps, even in their death throes. Those scenes were the only ones I skipped.  

Unrelated: When Olivia J. was all "You have a dilemma, Father. You can save Anna or you can shoot me," I was so hoping he'd shoot her in the knee or the shin. See how much of an escape she could manage then. My opinion of Griffin would have skyrocketed.  

I wondered why he couldn't just lay Anna down, go tie up Olivia, then get help.  I mean, he took the time to put a shirt on, so why not?

Best part of the show:  Joss saying "Ew, gross!" at the thought of Nelle and Sonny sleeping together.  Because, yes.  I'm glad somebody finally said it.  Apparently I have the mentality of a teenage girl.

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3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Not before he gets together with her mom!

Woot!  I can't even say I've been lurking here much lately, so it put a smile on my face at this is one of the very first post I saw upon visiting after, how long is it been? 

One of so many missed opportunities.

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14 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

I was so hoping he'd shoot her in the knee or the shin.

Absolutely this.  However, it makes more sense that a doctor (do no harm) and a priest (thou shalt not kill) would not want to shoot her, even if she's a wackadoo, who's kidnapped his future lover's daughter (come on, they are so going there!!)   There are so many blood thirsty people in this town, it's sort of refreshing to see someone have a conscience, though, I totally wanted him to shoot her crazy ass!!

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1 hour ago, Darklazr said:

Emily wasn't too fond of Sam when she died.

Emily died at the height of Liz/Jason/Sam fuckery. Emily has a history of loving whoever Jason was attached to at the time, dating back to Robin. Followed by Court, Sam, Liz. Carly was shit outta luck.

ETA: Although I do think it's ridiculous that Jason wasn't given the dialogue about Emily. That should have been a moment for him and Monica.

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Did Monica really need to ask "After my Emily?" when Sam told her they wanted to name the baby that? I know that was to give newer viewers a head's up, but it could have been handled more elegantly. Also, they don't need anyone's permission to name their kid anything. As if Monica would say no anyway.

It was nice of them to ask. It's possible that it might have pained her to call her granddaughter by her murdered daughter's name. 

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4 hours ago, ulkis said:

Poor Sabrina, she was only wacked off six months ago.

This reads so differently in my head.

 

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Why are the elevators closed? Is it part of the lockdown? Who rigged the elevator bomb? When did that happen? 

I think it was Rudge… he was in the hospital before the lockdown & probably helped Olivia with the bomb.

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Why is Michael humiliated by Nelle? It's not as if they ever slept together. He said they barely started anything. 

 

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Once again, the show is trying to sell us on a romantic relationship being epic and passionate that was, you know, not.  At all.

Why can't Michael be humiliated?  He has to be sleeping with her to be humiliated?  Michael basically put his heart on his sleeve where Nelle was concerned.  He put his cards on the table, and let her know that he was interested and wanted to get to know her.  He thought that her spending time with him meant that she wanted the same.  Instead, he finds out that she was trying to destroy his mother and had "slept" with his father.  He's thinking "That whole time when I was pouring my heart out to her, telling her personal things about myself, leaning on her when my brother died, she was smiling to herself and playing me for a sucker."  I completely get why Michael feels humiliated because for him, it was all a lie.  Even though Nelle finally saw the light where Michael was concerned, Michael doesn't believe her.  Why would he?

5 hours ago, Linny said:

Michael is kinda hot when he's angry. If he could generate that kind of passion all the time, he'd be a lot more interesting. Maybe his only role on this show should be Official Truth Server, yelling at everyone who deserves it (which is all of them).

Agreed, which is why I wish the writers would allow Michael his edge back, but they only allow him to be angry or even vengeful probably about once a year.  Another thing, Michael's words to Nelle were perfect.  At first, I couldn't understand AT ALL how Michael could tell his mother that he could see some of this from Nelle's point of view.  I was like "Are you kidding me?"  But then Michael said something I had never considered when he confronted her at the bar.  He said "I know what's it like to have something horrible happen to you and wanting revenge."  I appreciate that the writers remember Michael's past like the rape, something that I expect will always be a trauma for him.  So that need for Nelle wanting revenge, Michael gets it, even though Nelle's father manipulated her feelings.  But then in the next scene, he really sold it for me as why he is so angry and hurt with her.  When he told her that when Nelle saw how broken his mother was at the loss of Morgan, when she could see how much his mother was shattered, and then when they spent Thanksgiving together, how could she leave at that moment to go and "seduce" his father?  How could she drive the knife in further after seeing his mother so shattered? Like he said "Who does that?!"  I give kudos to the writers for that confrontation scene.  I thought it was excellent.

Also, today seemed to be the day the nice, sweet guys got to break out of their shells because Griffin was hot too.  Him aiming the gun at Liv and then cocking the barrel to take aim at her again while he threatened her?  I liked it.  I like the black scrubs too.  So yeah, I got my twofer today - Michael and Griffin - both allowed to be angry instead of their usual sweet, understanding, respectful selves.  Thank God.  I'm sure everything will be back to "normal" with them by tomorrow.  Damn shame.

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21 minutes ago, Bishop said:

I completely get why Michael feels humiliated because for him, it was all a lie.

Anger toward Nelle I totally get; humiliation I don't.

23 minutes ago, Bishop said:

I give kudos to the writers for that confrontation scene.  I thought it was excellent.

Same here. There was some actual nuance in the dialogue, which rarely happens on this fakakta show.

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1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

Anger toward Nelle I totally get; humiliation I don't.

Yeah. He didn't really tell her ANYTHING about himself, not more than surface deep. He didn't tell about Sonny killing AJ, the rape, or getting shot in a coma. He didn't totally expose himself at all.

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When Kiki knocked at the door and Ava said "go away" before she knew it was her, I pretended that she did know. It made that scene very enjoyable. And it's about damn time she met her psycho sister. Lame she has a gun pulled on her though. I'm going to relish whatever takes OJ down. At least Maura still continues to look gorgeous.

Agree so much with all the baby love, she really is adorable. Billy had a cute line, but I don't remember what it was. I'm mad that Kristina and Molly haven't been shown meeting their new niece yet. Monica had a great reaction to the name.

Can't pretend to care about Nelle, or anything involved with that. Bored with Finn's addiction. Bored with most of the rest of everything. Bored bored bored.

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4 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

 

ETA: Although I do think it's ridiculous that Jason wasn't given the dialogue about Emily. That should have been a moment for him and Monica.

It should've been Jason's idea, not St. Sam of the Perpetual Whispers. 

This Nelle story just hits all the wrong notes.  It could've been so compelling, if Nelle's beef with Carly actually had teeth.  But, no, of course we can't have Carly actually having done something that would make someone do to her what she did to Bobbie all those years ago.  Even that's hand-waved away as "she was hurt that her mother, aka the TEENAGE HOOKER WITHOUT A POT TO PISS IN, gave her up for adoption." 

And of course she's so pre-occupied with Sonny, herself, Michael, etc, that Josslyn is, yet again, an after-thought. 

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1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Another piece of evidence that points to Clone Jason. 

You know, I thought that too at first but I guess I can see Jason not saying anything cause he didn't want to pressure. But they could have tossed Jason a line where he said he had been hoping Sam would suggest it.

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

It was kind of hilarious that Carly's so self involved that she had no memory of the concert or the car service. Yet she was all up in Michael's business.

Forget that - not even a warning for Joss about Nelle since the confrontation? She knew Joss liked her.

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1 hour ago, ulkis said:

You know, I thought that too at first but I guess I can see Jason not saying anything cause he didn't want to pressure. But they could have tossed Jason a line where he said he had been hoping Sam would suggest it.

Forget that - not even a warning for Joss about Nelle since the confrontation? She knew Joss liked her.

I think Jason wouldn't have said anything because he doesn't care about things like that. Jason doesn't think stuff like naming kids is important. It doesn't surprise me that he never named any of his kids, his baby mamas did. He's happy that his daughter is named Emily but if Sam had named her Lemon Head I think he would have been fine with that too. 

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How did Liv get into Ava's place? Did she lift Julian's keys when she was holding him captive? I wonder if she's already slipped a few bugs into it. Did she leave the hospital because she anticipates it's going to be blown up? Where is Robin, and as a pregnant woman has she been allowed some bathroom privileges occasionally?

LOL that when talking with Kiki earlier Ava disclosed that she considers herself "a good person," and Kiki agreed, still unaware that Ava tampered with Morgan's meds or killed someone in the past. Are we supposed to have dimming memories of those facts? Nevertheless I hope that Ava manages to stay clear of Liv's probing; no doubt Liv would love to have some dirt on Ava too.

None of the Corinthii seem to have guessed that Jax may be behind the kidney deal, rather than Frank. Is Nelle staying in town to blackmail him? She doesn't have a job, or good references, or a college degree. She can't work at the Floating Rib or at Perks, Sonny's café chain. She doesn't have credentials to work at the hospital, and as far as we know she has no relatives in town to live with. Blackmail seems to be her only option.

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