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Cameron "Mom why don't you have a picture of my dad, or Aiden's dad?"

Liz "There is a picture of Lucky here somewhere."

Cameron "My Dad is Zander Mom, can't you keep track of your baby daddies."

I know you're being semi-sarcastic, but even if not Cam always called Lucky "Dad" and I doubt even knows (due to his age) that Zander is his bio father or even who Zander was - unless there's been a reference at some point to late Aunt Emily's ex-husband. As far as Elizabeth and her sons are concerned, Lucky is dad of both, end of story.  Although sadly, with Ron and these writers, I wouldn't be shocked if the term "baby daddy" came out of Cam, Spencer or Emma's mouths.

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Seriously I thought Lucky WAS Cameron's dad. And who is Aiden?

 

Aiden is Liz's youngest son, the one who's biologically Lucky's.  The writers tend to forget about him because he's not nine and thus can't be in a love triangle. #eyeroll

 

I think Cameron knows Lucky's not his bio dad (didn't they have a conversation about it after the Aiden reveal?), but does he know anything about Zander?

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Could Kiki BE any more of a ridiculous, hypocritical, vortex of suck?  Acting like she got cheated on when she was dumped for valid reasons.

 

Michael's point blank, "I don't love you" was great. This get out/irritation reaction rather than "Ha! Got back at you!" that Morgan did with Ava is great. Yes, Kiki, Michael is done with you because you lied to him. Glad it's finally sinking in. "It's Morgan's turn now, and he's more than welcome to you." Unmoved by her tears, hurt, anger. Go Michael!!

 

 

She was astoundingly obtuse about their break-up. Any reasonable person would have realized she'd been dumped with his words to her after the un-wedding. Instead she went charging into his apartment without knocking, like she was still welcome to do so. It's not like she was trying to apologize for her her actions and ask for a reconciliation, she didn't think she'd done anything wrong and believed they were still an intact couple. Holy Crap! How many times and in how many different ways did he tell her they were over and he found her lies unforgiveable? I was expecting him to start drawing on a whiteboard or do some sort of presentation with his lap-top to try and explain it to her. Any character other than Kiki and I would expect that her behavior was the opening as she transitioned into bunny-boiler mode. There are too many characters already riding the crazy-train on this show, so it's just as well that they don't go there.

 

Also, Rosalie, shut-up. Don't apologize to Kiki. Neither you nor Michael owe her anything and you are just giving her an opening to screech at you, nobody needs to hear that. Leaving is the only thing to do if she won't go away. Loved Michael asking for the return of the keys. Hee!

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I know you're being semi-sarcastic, but even if not Cam always called Lucky "Dad" and I doubt even knows (due to his age) that Zander is his bio father or even who Zander was - unless there's been a reference at some point to late Aunt Emily's ex-husband. As far as Elizabeth and her sons are concerned, Lucky is dad of both, end of story.

As a Big Fan of both Lucky and the concept of adoption, legal or otherwise, I was being sarcastic and I could not agree more. BTW dead beat dad Lucky pisses me off a whole lot more than deadbeat dad Luke or Robert. Robin can friggin Skype* from captivity but Lucky can't do so from Africa.  Ron has bigger Daddy issues then he does Mommy ones.

 

edit cause Skype is how you reach some one and Skye is my granddaughter and her dad is only a semi-deadbeat

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I think Cameron knows Lucky's not his bio dad (didn't they have a conversation about it after the Aiden reveal?), but does he know anything about Zander?

That's right, JJ's Lucky and little Brayden's Cam talked about that when Lucky told him that Aiden was in fact his son. I forgot about that, thanks. But I don't think he knows a thing about Zander - including his name.

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I love Carly being all "yeah I have no idea why I did all those blatantly out of character things".

 

I know. That was some funny backpedaling. But I can't believe they have Carly spewing the "I thought Franco being Jason's twin meant he had some of Jason's goodness in him" crap. Even a deeply grieving Carly would not fall for a SERIAL KILLER who had her son raped. I don't care how much she was reeling from the loss.

 

We need to start a twitter campaign. #Kikicollege or something

How about #kikicrane?  Or #kikipiercementshoes?

 

#kikichandelier

 

All those scenes had me laughing out loud. Especially, with her being shocked, I mean SHOCKED that Michael would break up with her because of she lied to him about important things for months.

How dare honesty be a deal breaker! Michael is so unfair! I loved that Lauren was so indignant after barging into Michael's bedroom in Michael's apartment.

 

I didn't like Rosalie apologizing, but I did like her not wanting to stick around.

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Frank really needs to just edit in a laugh track and call it a day! Those scenes with Snidley, Dudley, and Nell, err . . . I mean D. O, Jake, and Liz would have even better with acme sound effects and some over-wrought and totally inappropriate music cues.

I was also cracking up at Sonny quoting 80's love songs, the facial expressions Anna was making at Looocy, Dewq being Sonny's bottom bitch boy, and Nik confirming he's only interested in Brittany for sex.

However, the funniest thing was Kiki's gravity-defying lack of self-awareness and outright clueless and totally unearned indignation. That said, poor Morgan. Poor stupid, pre-matuely balding Morgan.

On a serious note, Ron needs to get down on the ground and kiss LW's feet. She sold the hell of the shit Carry was shoveling today.

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OMG, can somebody please paper-bag Kristen Alderson? 

 

That "acting", that face! Those nostrils. My word. 

 

Very rarely do actors make me angry and repulsed while watching them, but she and one other: Cameron Mathison, just make me want to throw things and scrape out my eyes.  Stop it, dammit, with the overly affected breathing, nasal flaring, and bug eyes.

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I absolutely HATED Carly's use of Jason's death as her excuse for sexing up Franco. She needs to go to jail.

Why isn't Jax in the air already to come and get his daughter? We need Jax back right now, especially before Jerry Jax comes to town.

When Jake realizes who he is, and I am praying that he is Jason Quartermaine, please separate him from that watering pot Sam McCall Morgan. He doesn't need to get thrown back into that black hole of suckitude.

When is Dr. O going to get what is coming to her?

How long will Fruitcake and Nutbread be on the run with the Corinthos baby?

Will Ava pay for killing Connie? In other words, how long before the actress' contract runs out? Don't get me wrong, I think Ava is an important character addition to the show, but she cannot become a female version of Sonny who never pays for his crimes. As for Connie, glad she's gone, but someone has to pay and that someone is Ava.

Madeline West, is also a great asset to the show. I'd like to see her involved in more than just her crazy daughter's machinations.

Perhaps when Sonny, the airtime hog, goes on his "vacation" we will get to see stories featuring some of the more interesting characters on the show. Is it too much to hope that Bernard's new contract will be for less airtime?

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However, the funniest thing was Kiki's gravity-defying lack of self-awareness and outright clueless and totally unearned indignation. That said, poor Morgan. Poor stupid, pre-matuely balding Morgan.

 

Shhhh we don't talk about that. :weeps:

 

 

OMG, can somebody please paper-bag Kristen Alderson? 

 

That "acting", that face! Those nostrils. My word. 

 

Very rarely do actors make me angry and repulsed while watching them, but she and one other: Cameron Mathison, just make me want to throw things and scrape out my eyes.  Stop it, dammit, with the overly affected breathing, nasal flaring, and bug eyes.

 

Her teeth and her jaw when she was talking through her grimace today was very unappealing. The nepotism that lets her be on this show makes me meaner than I usually would be about such things.

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Sonny and Carly made me so nauseous today that I will be on ginger ale and dry toast at least until Monday morning.  They regret how they dealt with Franco and apologized to each other. She thanked him for trying to kill Franco before their wedding. They bemoaned their loss of Michael.  It was only after they exchanged I love yous that the lovers(dry heave) discussed the missing baby. Once again Sonny exclaimed that he needed to be let out so he could find the baby.  Sonny even stomped on a chair to accentuate his frustrations (is this a prison version of throwing barware?).

 

Neither Sonny or Carly will admit that it is not Franco's fault that they are sitting in jail.  It is Sonny's fault for being a serial murderer and claiming AJ as one of his many victims.  And it is Carly's fault for choosing Sonny over Michael all those years ago when she gave the mobster her son to claim as her own.  She continued to choose Sonny over Michael  for over twenty years culminating with  her covering up AJ's murder.  She has betrayed her son all of her life.   These two have been make selfish choices all of their lives.  It has finally bitten them hard on their asses.  Yes, they are not sorry they killed AJ, they are sorry for getting caught.

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Hi Everyone!

 

I have been lurking since TWOP, but finally got the guts to post something.

 

I've only come back to GH once I found out that Michael was finally going to get the truth, and I'm glad I did. I don't have much to say that hasn't been said before. 

 

I know that his hate won't last, so I will take what I can get when I can get it. 

 

I've always thought that CD is a really cute kid (kid because he is 10 yrs. younger then I am) and that I am glad that he is owning this storyline, no complaints there. 

 

Love his distain for Kiki oh and I vote #Kikichandelier for a trend. Let me know, I want to join in if I can. Besides every little thing helps 

 

See yall around

 

Oh and because of yall people at work think I talk and laugh at myself in my office at work. I LOVE THE SNARK

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Although sadly, with Ron and these writers, I wouldn't be shocked if the term "baby daddy" came out of Cam, Spencer or Emma's mouths.

 

My money's on Spencer. Ron LOVES having shit like that come out of his mouth. 

 

I absolutely HATED Carly's use of Jason's death as her excuse for sexing up Franco. She needs to go to jail.

Why isn't Jax in the air already to come and get his daughter? We need Jax back right now, especially before Jerry Jax comes to town.

When is Dr. O going to get what is coming to her?

 

Considering how bad Ron handled Jax's last brief return, as much as I love Jax and think it's insane he's not in town now, I'd settle for learning that Jax ripped Carly a new one via phone and had Alexis get him emergency custody of Joss.  I don't want Ingo to dignify this show with a return until it gets better and he can be assured he's not just there to lose to Sonny. 

 

As for Dr. O?  I'm guessing never.  Ron's decided to take a character some people found entertaining in small doses and run her into the ground.  It's kind of his thing. 

 

I'll say. I despise Carly, but LW knows her inside and out.

 

Agreed.  Carly sucks, but LW is so damn good at making her so unlikable.  As much as I hate the character, I never see a false moment from LW.  It's the rare actor on this show who doesn't let themselves get bogged down in the suckiness that is the writing.  I know some might consider it sacrilege to say this, but I think that she is better at portraying who Carly is at this stage in her life than Sarah Brown would be.  

 

Sonny and Carly made me so nauseous today that I will be on ginger ale and dry toast at least until Monday morning.  They regret how they dealt with Franco and apologized to each other. She thanked him for trying to kill Franco before their wedding. They bemoaned their loss of Michael.  It was only after they exchanged I love yous that the lovers(dry heave) discussed the missing baby. Once again Sonny exclaimed that he needed to be let out so he could find the baby.  Sonny even stomped on a chair to accentuate his frustrations (is this a prison version of throwing barware?).

 

I can't wait until whatever attorney he manages to convince to take his case goes to a judge and argues that his civil rights are being violated by not allowing him to have access to unlimited barware to throw as his form of therapy.  

 

I was thinking about the conversation about them not having enough budget to have more jail cells (for all the people who need to be arrested these days).  Jail cells aren't supposed to be unique.  Since each cell should be basically identical, there's no reason they can't use the same two cells they have set up as different cells.  They can claim they're on different floors or something.  

 

Unrelated note, Liz looked fantastic today - wardrobe, hair, makeup, it was all well done.  It's unusual for this show to get it right across the board on any of the cast.  

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If my boyfriend had told me that I was a liar and he was done and then he refused to answer my calls or texts, there is NO WAY I would have walked into his apartment. I would have expected to find him with a bunch of women with the day he had. Kiki should be glad that there was only one woman and minimal debauchery. She is the queen of obliviousness. 

 

I feel like the Q Thanksgiving will actually have some bodies there. There will be Tracy, Monica Ned, Alice, and Lord Larry. Michael will probably be there (and probably Rosalie).

 

Other possibilities for drama: Since Ned is dating Alexis right now and Alexis does not have an actual home, she might be with the Qs. I feel like Sam will bring Danny. Lulu may be there because of the Luke/Fluke situation; I would like Olivia to be there with Lulu and perhaps have a scene apologizing for her trash talk about AJ. Olivia could then spend the day trying to avoid Ned. However, I guess she will have a hotel to run since Carly may still be in jail. (That is so fun to type!)

 

I cannot think of a good scenario to get Jakson there - he has to go to the mansion if only for the symbolism of having the two prodigal family members return home during the holidays. After today, I feel more confident that Jason is going to be re-Qed.  Why would Jakson go to the Qs? Would Liz take him out there since he seems to feel an affinity for the Qs? To see if walking on the grounds helps with his memory?

 

I know I am writing a soap in my head and that I will likely not see most of this on my screen but hope springs eternal.

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OMG, can somebody please paper-bag Kristen Alderson? 

 

That "acting", that face! Those nostrils. My word. 

 

Very rarely do actors make me angry and repulsed while watching them, but she and one other: Cameron Mathison, just make me want to throw things and scrape out my eyes.  Stop it, dammit, with the overly affected breathing, nasal flaring, and bug eyes.

 

I love your post so much it wil live in my head.  And I'm sorry for that.

Your disdain for Mrs. Potato Head is a thing of beauty, and to compare her to Ryass McSpittleThong makes my heart sing!!

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After today, I feel more confident that Jason is going to be re-Qed.  Why would Jakson go to the Qs [for Thanksgiving]? Would Liz take him out there since he seems to feel an affinity for the Qs?

 

My theory is that we'll see a scene where Liz and Monica talk about AJ and about Sonny having killed him and that Monica will then extend an invitation to Liz to come to Thanksgiving, to which she'll bring Jake(son).

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Just saw today's episode, and I LOVE MICHAEL.  How fantastic was it to see him tell Kiki exactly what he thinks of her, and he was spot on about her reasons for lying to him, which was because she refused to allow him to make decisions for himself.  The best was him finally seeing how she vacillates between him and Morgan.  I loved this whole exchange:

 

Kiki:  There is nothing going on between me and Morgan

Michael:  Am I suppose to believe that?  Afterall, you confided in Morgan, not me.  Who knows what else you've been doing.

Kiki:  No, no, no, you're wrong.

Michael:  Am I?  You know when you were with Morgan, I was the one who understood you.  I was the one you talked to.  I was the one who understood you.  Then when we're supposedly together, he's the one you talked to, he's the one you tell all your secrets.

Kiki:  No, that's not what it's like

Michael:  Maybe you just want the brother you can't have.  Maybe it adds some more drama, makes you feel a little more important.  Regardless, it's Morgan's turn now, and he's more than welcome to you.

 

Michael completely had her number today, and I am shocked that RC allowed those words to come out of his mouth, but yeah!!  Happy Dance.  Michael blasting Kiki was the highlight of the entire episode.  Everything else was meh.

 

Jake and Liz are HORRIBLE.  God, they are so boring, and he's not Jason!!!  He's pod Jason.  Also, is it weird that Elizabeth has a picture of her and Jason on her mantle?  Really?  A married man sitting next to pictures of her and her boys and sister?  It's a little creepy.

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Michael:  Am I?  You know when you were with Morgan, I was the one who understood you.  I was the one you talked to.  I was the one who understood you.  Then when we're supposedly together, he's the one you talked to, he's the one you tell all your secrets.

 

Kiki:  No, that's not what it's like

 

Me: That's EXACTLY what it was like!

 

Her insistence today on trying to reframe everything in her favor, that he was just "confused" and she needed to just set things straight, was ridiculous.

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Jake and Liz are HORRIBLE.  God, they are so boring, and he's not Jason!!!  He's pod Jason.  Also, is it weird that Elizabeth has a picture of her and Jason on her mantle?  Really?  A married man sitting next to pictures of her and her boys and sister?  It's a little creepy.

 

Now I half expect Liz to go all Kathy Bates in Misery if Jakeson ever wants to stop freeloading and leave - ESPECIALLY if the truth ever comes out before these idiots start collecting Social Security.

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Why are we forced to endure Jiz? This isn't a porno. I finally get a break from Ava and Franco only for stalker Liz to show her face.

 

I hope Sonny learns a lesson from all of this. The next time he wants someone killed he needs to hire a competent hitman.

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Carly is SO PATHETIC. SHE apologized to SONNY!? And the only thing they regret is that Franco isn't dead???? These are rootable characters!!?!? For reals!?!?

Kiki makes me vomit. Get a clue, gurl. Michael is FIRE right now.

Nik was looking damn good.

As was Jason. Yum. And he recognized Alan, Lila and Edward!!!! Someone show him a picture of Robin, stat!!!

Liz. Oh, Liz. Jason was married. And she has a photo of herself with him on display? Wow. Just....wow.

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Her insistence today on trying to reframe everything in her favor, that he was just "confused" and she needed to just set things straight, was ridiculous.

 

That just tells Michael that she doesn't trust him or his own mind. Tough to go back when you realize that everyone was treating you like you were too simple-minded to make your own decisions. Can you image them in a marriage? Michael would have been oblivious while the children were burning down the house and skipping school. Kiki would not tell him because it is too much information for him...

 

Good riddance!

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Me: That's EXACTLY what it was like!

 

Her insistence today on trying to reframe everything in her favor, that he was just "confused" and she needed to just set things straight, was ridiculous.

Sarah Brown circa 1997 could have sold the argument that Michael is just "confused". Kristin Alderson circa forever and ever until the end of time, cannot.

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Sonny: I should have killed Franco as soon as he (weaseled, wormed, came?) back into town!

 

D'uh.  This is what makes you such a horrible mobster.  You never, ever kill the people that you should.  Hell, if you had done it when he first reappeared, you probably would have gotten the key to the city.  Besides, you shot Carly in the head, why would you listen to her pleadings regarding Franco?

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Very rarely do actors make me angry and repulsed while watching them, but she and one other: Cameron Mathison, just make me want to throw things and scrape out my eyes.  Stop it, dammit, with the overly affected breathing, nasal flaring, and bug eyes.

 

I CANNOT with Cameron Mathison. How he landed a lead role on a soap opera defies logic. The only role for that guy is frankenstein.

 

I was one of the OTL's who loved baby Starr, unfortunately she grew up. I could abide her as Starr because of my attachment to the character and being a spawn of T&B but as Kiki? I have the urge to poke my eyes out every time she is on screen. I wonder if she was directed to act SHOCKED that Michael broke up with her, a better choice would have been heartbroken and remorse. You know, the emotions that would make her sympathetic, not the one that made seem like a remorseless self-righteous bitch with super short limbs. 

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On a serious note, Ron needs to get down on the ground and kiss LW's feet. She sold the hell of the shit Carry was shoveling today.

I said the same thing to myself when I was watching.  LW is fantastic as Carly, and as crazy as the writing gets, she sells it.  Ron should definitely kiss her feet for selling the crap he writes.  He at least got the Michael/Sonny/Carly/Kiki stuff write.  I give him credit for that.  Let's hope it lasts longer than a week.

 

I wished that Michael would have kicked Kiki out of the Brownstone.

Me too, although I was secretly happy that he hadn't tossed Morgan out.  It's Michael's building, and I wonder if he's still going to pay the bills.  I mean neither of those two kids have a job or even a semblance of what they intend to do with their life.

 

Her insistence today on trying to reframe everything in her favor, that he was just "confused" and she needed to just set things straight, was ridiculous.

That's what I hate most about Kiki.  She cannot see where she's wrong - ever.  She always spins things around, and Michael is so smart to get rid of her.  I loved his complete coldness to her.  He was very matter-of-fact.  

 

Now I half expect Liz to go all Kathy Bates in Misery if Jakeson ever wants to stop freeloading and leave - ESPECIALLY if the truth ever comes out before these idiots start collecting Social Security.

Yeah, especially since she still keeps Jason's picture on her mantle.  She's a bit scary.

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I'm really a shitty person. I think I want Ryan Lavery to be the one to take Kiki off canvas. I need to think Greenlee is having babies with Leo, so Ryan is single and can be with his true soul mate. He can whisk her off on his motorcycle to a chandelier factory.

Anyway, I um. Still find it hilarious that now they're using old Steve Burton pics. Please tell me we shall get a Reindeer sweater pic next.

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I hate "Kiki" with the heat of 10,000 suns. Still, Michael's "Go away while I'm fucking this woman," actions and attitude was reprehensible. Who does that? It just reinforces to me that this show is about people with paper-thin personalities. What a douche.

 

Rosalie should have taken him to the shed for treating her as an object like that, even if it was just for a moment.

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Still, Michael's "Go away while I'm fucking this woman," actions and attitude was reprehensible. Who does that? It just reinforces to me that this show is about people with paper-thin personalities. What a douche.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more. I don't care what happens to Kikaka or what's said to her but Michael looks like a "tool" himself with how he's behaving.

 

Rosalie admits she revealed Ava's location to the Nina, playing a pretty big part in the baby's kidnapping and he can barely start humping her fast enough. Kiki comes in and he basically stopped just short of telling Rosalie to "straddle" him for a ride.

 

Imo it's just nasty behavior.

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I hate "Kiki" with the heat of 10,000 suns. Still, Michael's "Go away while I'm fucking this woman," actions and attitude was reprehensible. Who does that? Who does that? It just reinforces to me that this show is about people with paper-thin personalities. What a douche.

 

I don't disagree that the characters have paper-thin personalities but it's not unprecedented for Michael to act horribly when he's angry.

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I agree that Mikey was acting like a complete jackass. And if Kiki or Rosalie were written as strong female characters, they would have slapped him and grabbed their shit and left.

But I also think it's obvious Michael is completely out of his mind right now.

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I don't disagree that the characters have paper-thin personalities but it's not unprecedented for Michael to act horribly when he's angry.

 

 

 

He's Carly biological son and he was raised by Sonny, it's his default setting, imo.

 

 

But I also think it's obvious Michael is completely out of his mind right now.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't call it completely out of his mind, he's majorly pissed and acting out but he isn't so over the edge that he couldn't pull back if he wanted to. He is his parents' son however and this is how he's always dealt with problems; lashing out, raging, not thinking things through to the end. At least in that way I can say they aren't writing him OOC.

 

Michael's never handled bad news well, and in fact it's why when everyone around him treats him like some innocent little fawn that can't handle the truth it's because it's true.

 

He claims that he doesn't need to be protected or coddled and yet he's as emotionally unstable and immature as the rest of them. He's never grown up enough, imo, to act like an adult when things go shitty, at least not yet. He probably got that from Jason. 

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Her insistence today on trying to reframe everything in her favor, that he was just "confused" and she needed to just set things straight, was ridiculous.

 

That was so great, and Michael wasn't buying a word of it.

 

neither of those two kids have a job

 

If you mean Morgan and Lauren, he does have a job: renovating the brownstone. Michael gave him the job, but it's legit. Lauren, on the other hand, is a complete mooch. 

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I'm really a shitty person. I think I want Ryan Lavery to be the one to take Kiki off canvas. I need to think Greenlee is having babies with Leo, so Ryan is single and can be with his true soul mate. He can whisk her off on his motorcycle to a chandelier factory.

 

Greenlee/Leo are my all time fav. soap couple. Still hate they didnt end up together when JD came back. :(

 

I thought it was kinda funny Michael wanting to keep going with Rosalie with Kiki there. I mean it his apartment he can do what he wants. Kiki can leave. I just really dont care about Kiki. 

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I don't disagree that the characters have paper-thin personalities but it's not unprecedented for Michael to act horribly when he's angry.

 

I get that. But nobody actually does what Michael did in real life. They may have an attitude, but they don't turn away from a scorned girlfriend and start having, "pretending" to have, sexy times with another person. It's just so ludicrous.

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Wait, let me get this straight. That dude wants to use Britt to charge Anna while Dr. O roams free....

 

I can't.

 

I was more confused about why he needed Britt's assistance.  If he had evidence that Anna and Robert did something re: Faison, why not just arrest her?

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