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Looks like tamra will be flying into a rage next week. I was actually amazed she's been pretty tame and that her shit stirring has been a lot better this season. Still loved meghan not understanding that Shannon was warning her about tamra...and Shannon only said tamra wad cause meghan asked lol

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Holy crap!    Meghan called Brooks' doctor (not cool) and as it turns out...........Brooks' doctor does not treat cancer patients.  What?

 

I wondered how Shannon got involved in Brooks' treatment and didn't know that Vicki asked her for her help minutes after finding out that Brooks' cancer had returned.   Shannon was being a good friend making phone calls (all day) and she actually managed to get Brooks into see this world famous cancer doctor.  I just could not believe that Brooks told her he didn't make it to the appointment because he got two flat tires.  How convenient!

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Holy crap!    Meghan called Brooks' doctor (not cool) and as it turns out...........Brooks' doctor does not treat cancer patients.  What?

 

I wondered how Shannon got involved in Brooks' treatment and didn't know that Vicki asked her for her help minutes after finding out that Brooks' cancer had returned.   Shannon was being a good friend making phone calls (all day) and she actually managed to get Brooks into see this world famous cancer doctor.  I just could not believe that Brooks told her he didn't make it to the appointment because he got two flat tires.  How convenient!

I haven't seen it yet, but Brooks probably has more then one doctor. I have 4, only one treats HIV. My husband has 5 doctors

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I haven't seen it yet, but Brooks probably has more then one doctor. I have 4, only one treats HIV. My husband has 5 doctors

 

That may be true but I think this doctor was the one Brooks specifically mentioned to Heather.  He told her he thought she might know him and he is the one that Brooks is going to for that other treatment, the non-chemo one.  I can't remember the name but it starts with an "R" and ends with "trol."  I know that's not very helpful but it's the best I can do right now.  It's late and I'm tired.  LOL

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That may be true but I think this doctor was the one Brooks specifically mentioned to Heather.  He told her he thought she might know him and he is the one that Brooks is going to for that other treatment, the non-chemo one.  I can't remember the name but it starts with an "R" and ends with "trol."  I know that's not very helpful but it's the best I can do right now.  It's late and I'm tired.  LOL

Resverotrol, I think . I sort of assumed he was seeing a naturopath. Someone that does Non traditions meds. I assumed he wasn't an Oncologist.  I need to watch

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Resverotrol, I think . I sort of assumed he was seeing a naturopath. Someone that does Non traditions meds. I assumed he wasn't an Oncologist.  I need to watch

 

It was a lunch scene with Meghan, Shannon and Heather.  We don't get to see all of it but it was getting interesting.  Meghan isn't the only HW with doubts.

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OK, I'll say it.  I can't condemn Meg for calling the doctor.  Look at many of us on this forum.  Look at what we do here.  Links, analysis, etc.  She actually lived it.

 

I found Heather and Shannon's comments on the situation rather interesting.  I wasn't really expecting all that.  Especially from Shannon.  It does give one pause.  I'm not saying Brooks lied but things do not seem on the up and up right now.

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Meghan's behavior is just gross here. I can understand Shannon being upset with Brooks if she went out of her way to help, but that a random chick goes about calling his doctor is just wrong. I'm dealing with breast cancer.....should Meghan wish to verify my diagnosis, she'd find that of my four doctors, only one treats "cancer". Further, how the hell does she know his doctor's name? And if she did have his doctor's name, any dimwit can look up the doctor online & would see that doctor's practice area....you wouldn't call the office. If I'm Jim or any of his exes or even his kids, I'd be all sorts of freaked out by Meghan's behavior. She kind of reminds me of Amy Dunne in Gone Girl.

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OK, I'll say it.  I can't condemn Meg for calling the doctor.  Look at many of us on this forum.  Look at what we do here.  Links, analysis, etc.  She actually lived it.

 

I found Heather and Shannon's comments on the situation rather interesting.  I wasn't really expecting all that.  Especially from Shannon.  It does give one pause.  I'm not saying Brooks lied but things do not seem on the up and up right now.

 

At least she was clever about it and only asked if he treated cancer patients.

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Meghan's behavior is just gross here. I can understand Shannon being upset with Brooks if she went out of her way to help, but that a random chick goes about calling his doctor is just wrong. I'm dealing with breast cancer.....should Meghan wish to verify my diagnosis, she'd find that of my four doctors, only one treats "cancer". Further, how the hell does she know his doctor's name? And if she did have his doctor's name, any dimwit can look up the doctor online & would see that doctor's practice area....you wouldn't call the office. If I'm Jim or any of his exes or even his kids, I'd be all sorts of freaked out by Meghan's behavior. She kind of reminds me of Amy Dunne in Gone Girl.

Yeah, I  hear you. If he is lying, then he is a horrible person and I will be very angry. Up until now, I have not seen anything convincing,but I have a high burden of proof in accusing someone of lying about an illness, especially on what has been, before now flimsy proof, like he doesn't look sick. I'm 45 and a 25 year AIDS survivor. That's me in my avatar. I think I look pretty good. People always comment about how they would never guess I had an illness. Anyone who asked me to prove  my illness would get a big ##** you.

 I really really hope he's not lying. It just makes it harder for people like you and me

Please be well. 

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Meghan's behavior is just gross here. I can understand Shannon being upset with Brooks if she went out of her way to help, but that a random chick goes about calling his doctor is just wrong. I'm dealing with breast cancer.....should Meghan wish to verify my diagnosis, she'd find that of my four doctors, only one treats "cancer". Further, how the hell does she know his doctor's name? And if she did have his doctor's name, any dimwit can look up the doctor online & would see that doctor's practice area....you wouldn't call the office. If I'm Jim or any of his exes or even his kids, I'd be all sorts of freaked out by Meghan's behavior. She kind of reminds me of Amy Dunne in Gone Girl.

She probably did check the doctor out online.  And probably called the office to make sure.  She got the name of the doctor from Brooks IIRC.

 

Gone Girl is really more than a  stretch, IMO. 

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Meghan's behavior is just gross here. I can understand Shannon being upset with Brooks if she went out of her way to help, but that a random chick goes about calling his doctor is just wrong. I'm dealing with breast cancer.....should Meghan wish to verify my diagnosis, she'd find that of my four doctors, only one treats "cancer". Further, how the hell does she know his doctor's name? And if she did have his doctor's name, any dimwit can look up the doctor online & would see that doctor's practice area....you wouldn't call the office. If I'm Jim or any of his exes or even his kids, I'd be all sorts of freaked out by Meghan's behavior. She kind of reminds me of Amy Dunne in Gone Girl.

 

I'm sorry that you're dealing with breast cancer.  Sending good thoughts and prayers your way!

 

Brooks told them about his new doctor. Said the doctor cured himself of cancer with Resverotrol (thank you JennyMom) and said Heather might know him.

It's not on my DVR. I am sad

 

Don't be sad.  The lunch was the only good part and we've covered that for you.  The rest of it was pretty lame.  Tamara helping her mother get ready for a blind date.

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Sorry it's weird. If this was Tamara or Brianna going all out to question his diagnosis, I might find it a bit more understandable. At least there is some history there. Meghan barely knows Brooks. She has made "cancer" her storyline on this show and its gross. There is just nothing right about this.

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I think it has been much more than Brooks doesn't 'look' like he's sick.  It's the two flat tires on his way to see what seems to be a top doc.  It's Vicki changing her story of when she went with Brooks to his chemo or doctor's appointments.  It's Vicki's overall reaction and dealing with Brook's cancer.  It's the other HW's comments.  It doesn't add up to 'normal'. 

 

It's just kind of disturbing. 

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I think it has been much more than Brooks doesn't 'look' like he's sick.  It's the two flat tires on his way to see what seems to be a top doc.  It's Vicki changing her story of when she went with Brooks to his chemo or doctor's appointments.  It's Vicki's overall reaction and dealing with Brook's cancer.  It's the other HW's comments.  It doesn't add up to 'normal'. 

 

It's just kind of disturbing. 

I haven't seen the flat tire part yet. It does sound odd.  I don't find the other  things suspicious

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There is just nothing right about this.

 

Of course there's nothing right about this.  

 

It's a Real Housewives show and this is the path Bravo production chose for this season.

I haven't seen the flat tire part yet. It does sound odd.  I don't find the other  things suspicious

 

And that story came from Shannon who was sticking by Vicki's side against Meghan at Tamara's party.

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Meghan? WFT bitch!!

 

So she lied about cancer to find out about someone lying about cancer! 

 

Frankly, I don't pay heed to Meghan, chick is cray cray and weird. I hold more stock in Shannon's story about how Brooks on the way to see her cancer specialist suddenly got 2 flat tires and than never tried to make another appointment? Come on now!

 

Oh and her stepdaughter waits until everyone is out of town to throw some wild 200 raging teen party interrupted by the cops at her mother's house, who is dying of cancer? Sorry but I am gonna have to quote Terry on this: what a little bitch! And furthermore, an asshole! There is acting act because of what is going on with her mom and then there is just being completely self-involved and nasty. Her mother is dying. Even though she wasn't in the home at the time, that is her place of respite and sanctuary in her last days. You don't invite of bunch of your loser friends over to trash her house and I wouldn't be surprised if there was underage drinking, smoking and doing drugs. That is just want her mother needs a house full of fucking smoke. Shit got me heated! I can't even be mad at her natural mother for having a hard time holding a hard line with her daughter. She may feel that she is dying and doesn't want a moment of friction or ill feelings between her and her daughter. This is the time when rubber mask face Ronald Reagan should be stepping up and being a GD parent to that little wastrel! 

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Meghan? WFT bitch!!

 

So she lied about cancer to find out about someone lying about cancer! 

 

Frankly, I don't pay heed to Meghan, chick is cray cray and weird. I hold more stock in Shannon's story about how Brooks on the way to see her cancer specialist suddenly got 2 flat tires and than never tried to make another appointment? Come on now!

 

Oh and her stepdaughter waits until everyone is out of town to throw some wild 200 raging teen party interrupted by the cops at her mother's house, who is dying of cancer? Sorry but I am gonna have to quote Terry on this: what a little bitch! And furthermore, an asshole! There is acting act because of what is going on with her mom and then there is just being completely self-involved and nasty. Her mother is dying. Even though she wasn't in the home at the time, that is her place of respite and sanctuary in her last days. You don't invite of bunch of your loser friends over to trash her house and I wouldn't be surprised if there was underage drinking, smoking and doing drugs. That is just want her mother needs a house full of fucking smoke. Shit got me heated! I can't even be mad at her natural mother for having a hard time holding a hard line with her daughter. She may feel that she is dying and doesn't want a moment of friction or ill feelings between her and her daughter. This is the time when rubber mask face Ronald Reagan should be stepping up and being a GD parent to that little wastrel! 

I think Heather covered it in her TH. 

 

I can't totally condemn Leanne's response to the situation.  She is dying at this point.  She wants peace with her daughter.  The daugher (whose name I can't remember) was so totally wrong but I can get that Leanne just not wanting to be a 'parent' at this point, right or wrong.  May she RIP.  Was it the right decision?  Probably not but I kinda understand. 

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I think I am mortified by Meghan once again sharing the trials and tribulations of brat Hayley. She just can't blame anyone for commenting on the brat.   Wasn't the idea behind Meghan and Jim moving back to OC to help with Hayley?   I hope they pitched in cleaning the mess at Leann's. 

 

There are no words to describe what would possess Meghan to fake a call to a doctor of Brooks be it a treating physician or a consulting physician.  I think it is time for Heather to stop stirring things up.  I think Shannon has to face the reality that in spite of her good efforts for whatever reason Brooks decided not to pursue the lead.    It means nothing and if Brook was really trying to pull something off he would just say he went-it is not as if the doctor can confirm or deny seeing him.  

 

This is not a good storyline.  I realize Brooks is a big old hambone but this does not flatter him or do his children any favors.

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OK, I'll say it.  I can't condemn Meg for calling the doctor.  Look at many of us on this forum.  Look at what we do here.  Links, analysis, etc.  She actually lived it.

 

I found Heather and Shannon's comments on the situation rather interesting.  I wasn't really expecting all that.  Especially from Shannon.  It does give one pause.  I'm not saying Brooks lied but things do not seem on the up and up right now.

I feel the same way. Meghan's tactics and delivery have a lot to be desired, but I'm with her on what she's doing. And thankfully, she's not the only one doubting the story anymore. Shannon goes out of her way to arrange a meeting with a top oncologist - one who specializes in lymphoma, and you miss your appt. because of two flat tires? Excuse me?! Is there anyone who really buys that? What's next week's excuse going to be? The dog ate my homework?

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So, I didn't watch the first look, but I think there's a world of difference between occasionally shit-talking about a pseudo-celebrity and what Meghan did here.

The Brooks/cancer storyline is incredibly tedious and in bad taste. I have no interest in it at all. Same with Shannon's marriage. I don't understand what Meghan stands to gain here. If this is what she does in the name of "justice" then thank goodness she's not an attorney.

Ditto.

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Thank you!

I am thoroughly perplexed by this entire Winning: the EveryBitches Guide for the Sleuth in You.

I think I am mortified by Meghan once again sharing the trials and tribulations of brat Hayley. She just can't blame anyone for commenting on the brat. Wasn't the idea behind Meghan and Jim moving back to OC to help with Hayley? I hope they pitched in cleaning the mess at Leann's.

There are no words to describe what would possess Meghan to fake a call to a doctor of Brooks be it a treating physician or a consulting physician. I think it is time for Heather to stop stirring things up. I think Shannon has to face the reality that in spite of her good efforts for whatever reason Brooks decided not to pursue the lead. It means nothing and if Brook was really trying to pull something off he would just say he went-it is not as if the doctor can confirm or deny seeing him.

This is not a good storyline. I realize Brooks is a big old hambone but this does not flatter him or do his children any favors.

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I feel the same way. Meghan's tactics and delivery have a lot to be desired, but I'm with her on what she's doing. And thankfully, she's not the only one doubting the story anymore. Shannon goes out of her way to arrange a meeting with a top oncologist - one who specializes in lymphoma, and you miss your appt. because of two flat tires? Excuse me?! Is there anyone who really buys that? What's next week's excuse going to be? The dog ate my homework?

I don't dislike Shannon but I think she has taken this request from a friend a bit too far.  It seems before meeting with her Brooks was under the care of a doctor or nutritionist that was big on the coffee enemas and juices and no white food.   Maybe Shannon's  find does not differ all that much for what Brooks was doing.  Not to be indelicate but perhaps Brooks insurance doesn't cover third, fourth opinions, and always these different physicians.  There is a time to back away gracefully.

 

How does casting doubt on Brooks story help Vicki?  Would Shannon have appreciated if last year all her RHOC cast mates ran around checking in David?  There are just some things that should not be discussed.  BTW Heather's perception is a bit off-at the party she claims it is Shannon who is so curious it is Meghan.  Shannon used her tired old the truth will come out.   

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I don't dislike Shannon but I think she has taken this request from a friend a bit too far.  It seems before meeting with her Brooks was under the care of a doctor or nutritionist that was big on the coffee enemas and juices and no white food.   Maybe Shannon's  find does not differ all that much for what Brooks was doing.  Not to be indelicate but perhaps Brooks insurance doesn't cover third, fourth opinions, and always these different physicians.

And yet he apparently said yes to the offer, scheduled the appointment, and was on his way. It wasn't insurance issues or second thoughts that prevented him from making the appointment, it was a flat tire. Make that two. That's my favorite detail - not one, but two flat tires!

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And yet he apparently said yes to the offer, scheduled the appointment, and was on his way. It wasn't insurance issues or second thoughts that prevented him from making the appointment, it was a flat tire. Make that two. That's my favorite detail - not one, but two flat tires!

While I've also lost interest in the Brooks' cancer story line I am laughing at the TWO flat tires!

This season is running...out...of....gas for me and seems likely to roll to a dead stop. I gave up on RHoNY at the two-thirds mark this season and I'll guess I'll hang with OC through the reunion but there will be a LOT of fast-forwarding.

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Just when I thought I wouldn't have to tell Meghan to "shut up", she reveals that she did some sleuthing work on Brooks. This sounds bad, but I am sure it's going to be another case of misdirection from the editing monkies.

That may be true but I think this doctor was the one Brooks specifically mentioned to Heather. He told her he thought she might know him and he is the one that Brooks is going to for that other treatment, the non-chemo one. I can't remember the name but it starts with an "R" and ends with "trol." I know that's not very helpful but it's the best I can do right now. It's late and I'm tired. LOL

I thought it was "preservatrol" but Heather immediately recognized it as a chemical found in "champs" or wine.

Speaking of whine, I felt ambiguous about seeing Meghan's whining about her attempts at parenting pretty much being ignored (insert flashback of her reading her rules to Hayley).

It's not on my DVR. I am sad

They repeat on Sunday night, right?

Jebus, what is wrong with Tamra's family? Her mother wears that zebra-print dress on a first date (from match.com or whomever the sponsor was) and Tamra and Ryan want to watch and see if she "gets lucky"?

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And yet he apparently said yes to the offer, scheduled the appointment, and was on his way. It wasn't insurance issues or second thoughts that prevented him from making the appointment, it was a flat tire. Make that two. That's my favorite detail - not one, but two flat tires!

 

For a grifting scumball, sleazebag lying liar who lies Crooks sure is bad at it. What kills me if he is indeed lying about cancer at least do all your research and come up with a decent coherent story so that he can have his shit together when people ask him questions, especially if one of those people, like Vicki's daughter Brianna, is a nurse. And when all those doctor recommendations come in just tell people that you appreciate their concern and advice but are comfortable with your current health care provider and course of treatment and you prefer not to discuss it. Easy peasy. 

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I don't recall the Brooks saying the doctor who stopped treatment with chemo in favor of reserveratrol being an oncologist or hematologist, for all we know he could have been a podiatrist, chiropractor or gynecologist.  Many, many people who offer "nutritional counseling" do not claim to treat cancer patient but offer nutritional alternatives.  So Meghan making a phone call-we have only her word for it, asking a physician's office about  treating cancer is a bit of a misdirection.  I question why these folks are grilling Brooks or Vicki about what doctors, what clinic or whatever. 

 

Vicki has given us what I believe to be incontrovertible evidence that Brooks had undergone chemo treatment with her dramatic description of the high fevers, vomiting and going with him to chemo.  I doubt Brooks is a great enough actor to cause a spike in temperature.  It is not as if Brooks can be dropped off at chemo and sneak at the back and return to be picked up after a fake infusion.  Vicki would have to be complicit.

 

A couple of reserveratrol articles : http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/resveratrol-supplements 

Same idea different dude:  http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/28/resveratrol-cancer-prevention.aspx

 

I do think the double flat tire story is funny and IF true probably an omen for Brooks.  I think the reason Brooks resisted Shannon's expert is he had little desire to make any more drastic changes to his diet.  I don't think he was ready to give up alcohol or all "white" or processed food. Shannon goes way over the top in her reaction to what feeds cancer.  Not all people, and very few medical providers buy the sugar feeds cancer theory or cancer is a fungus quite the way Shannon subscribes to it.  Just because something is outside the norm does not make it more or less successful.

 

I kind of feel like if Brooks faked the cancer and it comes out beyond a reasonable doubt it is time to say goodbye to Vicki.

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When has Shannon ever said anything about Brooks diet? We have only see Vicki talk about white sugar and alcohol and that came from Brooks' doctor which obviously wasn't the one Shannon recommended.

Shannon had a major meltdown bowling going on and on about fruit smoothies being full of sugar.  When they were out to dinner Shannon grimaced over the tequila he ordered-full of sugar, she talked about the sake at the studio with him.  IMO that may have been what has scared Brooks away from Shannon and her way to treat cancer.

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Sorry it's wierd. If this was Tamara or Brianna going all out to question his diagnosis, I might find it a bit more understandable. At least there is some history there. Meghan barely knows Brooks. She has made "cancer" her storyline on this show and its gross. There is just nothing right about this.

 

It's almost as if the Shannon is a bad person story line didn't go anywhere and so she decided going after Brooks would be better. And thank the Lord Shannon was able to put whatever she was holding against Meghan aside and help her with Leann so Meghan could change her story. LOL

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When has Shannon ever said anything about Brooks diet? We have only see Vicki talk about white sugar and alcohol and that came from Brooks' doctor which obviously wasn't the one Shannon recommended.

 

Shannon went a bit ballistic when she learned his diet consisted of smoothies.  She said something like "he can't have one meal every two or three weeks."  That's not an exact quote but it's close.

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I do think the double flat tire story is funny and IF true probably an omen for Brooks.  I think the reason Brooks resisted Shannon's expert is he had little desire to make any more drastic changes to his diet.  I don't think he was ready to give up alcohol or all "white" or processed food. Shannon goes way over the top in her reaction to what feeds cancer.  Not all people, and very few medical providers buy the sugar feeds cancer theory or cancer is a fungus quite the way Shannon subscribes to it.  Just because something is outside the norm does not make it more or less successful.

Thank you!  it drives me crazy how quickly people accept a theory about health and fitness without solid research then get upset when others don't jump on board.  I would always take the approach that of Shannon believes in it, it's probably bullshit.  Oh wait, I had better go have my energy healer hold a Twister game spinner over my navel to tell me how I feel.  Then he can hold his hands near me and tell me I'm tense.  Maybe I'll get the testing he gave Vicki and he'll shove his thumb in my ass.  

 

So Tammy Sue's mother is now living with Eddie and Tammy Sue? Run Eddie Run! Run Now! Run Fast!

Give her a little more time.  She'll set up a trailer in the yard for Rapey Ryan.  You can take the trash out of the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the trash!

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Thank you!  it drives me crazy how quickly people accept a theory about health and fitness without solid research then get upset when others don't jump on board.  I would always take the approach that of Shannon believes in it, it's probably bullshit.  Oh wait, I had better go have my energy healer hold a Twister game spinner over my navel to tell me how I feel.  Then he can hold his hands near me and tell me I'm tense.  Maybe I'll get the testing he gave Vicki and he'll shove his thumb in my ass.  

 

Give her a little more time.  She'll set up a trailer in the yard for Rapey Ryan.  You can take the trash out of the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the trash!

All I remember about Tamra's family is they drink moonshine and pretty much called her a liar about saying she was never told she was loved.  Long live Tamra Sue Waddleand her clan.  I was so hoping Ryan would name the baby after his mother.

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Shannon went a bit ballistic when she learned his diet consisted of smoothies.  She said something like "he can't have one meal every two or three weeks."  That's not an exact quote but it's close.

I think Shannon's incredulousness had to do with the smoothies being fruit smoothies - not protein or vegetable, but all fruit, which are, of course, full of sugar. There was a scene where she tried to tell him the benefits of proteins, and he cut her off. The asshole scam artist simply likes fruit smoothies, and his smoothie diet helped him lose 42 lbs. Not the cancer, not the chemo, but smoothies! I noticed in one of Vicki's recent blogs, she caught on to this mistake, and now claims that Brooks drinks all-vegetable juices as part of his treatment. Nice try, Vicki.

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Yeah, I think Shannon's point was that it wasn't sufficient nutrition period, much less for someone whose body is fighting off cancer.

Shannon's theory is no sugar and she is a huge subscriber to the candida diet which allows no fruit  Can't weigh in if it is right or wrong it is just her way of thinking and it works for her at 120 lbs and 5'7" tall.   So it would stave off cancer  . . .. right?

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I don't dislike Shannon but I think she has taken this request from a friend a bit too far.  It seems before meeting with her Brooks was under the care of a doctor or nutritionist that was big on the coffee enemas and juices and no white food.   Maybe Shannon's  find does not differ all that much for what Brooks was doing.  Not to be indelicate but perhaps Brooks insurance doesn't cover third, fourth opinions, and always these different physicians.  There is a time to back away gracefully.

 

How does casting doubt on Brooks story help Vicki?  Would Shannon have appreciated if last year all her RHOC cast mates ran around checking in David?  There are just some things that should not be discussed.  BTW Heather's perception is a bit off-at the party she claims it is Shannon who is so curious it is Meghan.  Shannon used her tired old the truth will come out.   

If this has been covered somewhere else, my apologies - but my nagging question is - who is paying for Brooks' insurance?  And his out of pocket expenses? 

  I would imagine some of the non-traditional therapies aren't covered.  Given that we experienced plenty of out of pocket traditional expenses for my husband's late brother, I wonder who is paying the bills - besides Vicki.

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