S10.E14: A Storm Is Coming

[ButterQueen]

Yes!   Yes!  Yes!

 

There is nothing about Vicki that's in the least bit entertaining.  She's a shrew and her 15 minutes (10 seasons) are up!

I can't help it, I love me some Vicki. She provides so many humorous scenes for me. I also love Shannon.

[talula]

I'd like Vicki to stay if Brooks is really gone, gone, gone! Otherwise if we find out Brooks is back I say don't let the door hit them on the way out, Lol!

[ghoulina]

Didn't Meghan's mother have a double mastectomy due to breast cancer?

 

I don't think she actually had it. I believe her sisters did, and that she had the mastectomy as a preventative measure.

 

I didn't quite get the conversation in the car between Meghan and Jim Edmonds. It's simple Meghan, if you have a history of breast cancer in your family, get the blood test for the BRCA gene. It's not rocket science and you can afford the $200 co-pay for the genetic test.

 

I think Megan was planning on getting the test. (In fact, I think she already did in real life.) Her consternation was over the fact that no one else in her family had ever had it done, despite the history of breast cancer being so strong. And Jimmy was basically saying - "So what? Everyone handles it differently". As with the Brooks situation, Megan seems to think what she would do is what everyone should do. 

[Sincerely Yours]

One last thing about ragey Ryan. During his verbal abuse of Judy at the winter party Brianna was trying to talk Ryan down using a weird baby voice, laughing and making excuses. She clearly spends a lot of time trying to calm him down. The whole scene was weird. Vicki hugged Judy and Ryan yelled at her to stop hugging her. Billy was telling Ryan he has to stop doing this every freaking time! This is not PTSD. I personally think it's an insult to people with PTSD to blame this kind of behavior on that. I'm not saying he doesn't have it, but he sat there justifying it afterwards and maintaining he was right to treat her that way. If it was PTSD that prompted the outburst he would have been shocked at his own behavior afterwards. It's season 8 episode 19, I don't feel like there is any possible excuse for him if you've seen it recently.

See that's the part that was really disturbing. He was getting even angrier because he didn't like how people were reacting to his mistreatment of her. It was all like How dare you coddle her, that suggests I was wrong for yelling and screaming and cursing at her. He turned his anger on everyone, trying to control how THEY were reacting and by using, guess what, AGGRESSION still. Nope, the angrily trying to justify it after the fact while faced with a number of women who were obviously distraught by him and trying to console was just so repulsive. He had people trying to get him to start acting reasonable and he was completely offended with the request like WTF? You're mad cause people are requesting you stop being an intimidating asshole and calm the fuck down? That's not allowed? You won't tolerate the kind behavior that's being show someone who is obviously upset but demand that everyone tolerant your abhorrent behavior. Mind-Fuckin-Blown!

[Sage47]

One last thing about ragey Ryan. During his verbal abuse of Judy at the winter party Brianna was trying to talk Ryan down using a weird baby voice, laughing and making excuses. She clearly spends a lot of time trying to calm him down. The whole scene was weird. Vicki hugged Judy and Ryan yelled at her to stop hugging her. Billy was telling Ryan he has to stop doing this every freaking time! This is not PTSD. I personally think it's an insult to people with PTSD to blame this kind of behavior on that. I'm not saying he doesn't have it, but he sat there justifying it afterwards and maintaining he was right to treat her that way. If it was PTSD that prompted the outburst he would have been shocked at his own behavior afterwards. It's season 8 episode 19, I don't feel like there is any possible excuse for him if you've seen it recently.

YES!! to all of this.

I forgot about him barking to Vicki, "don't hug her!" re: Judy and also Briana's giggling after Ryan had just exploded at Judy. It was very eerie. I also recall that Briana went upstairs with Vicki and when Vicki tried to discuss Ryan's rage attack, Briana quickly shut her down and brushed it off. Just like she brushed it off at the reunion which was totally unfair. Why didn't she have to answer for her husband's insane verbal abuse of Lydia's mom??  And it is strange how Briana seems almost meek around Ryan, a very bad sign.

 

Meghan sure does love to discuss "Can't-Sir" (thank you so much for that!). She must say that word 20 times an episode.

See that's the part that was really disturbing. He was getting even angrier because he didn't like how people were reacting to his mistreatment of her. It was all like How dare you coddle her, that suggests I was wrong for yelling and screaming and cursing at her. He turned his anger on everyone, trying to control how THEY were reacting and by using, guess what, AGGRESSION still. Nope, the angrily trying to justify it after the fact while faced with a number of women who were obviously distraught by him and trying to console was just so repulsive. He had people trying to get him to start acting reasonable and he was completely offended with the request like WTF? You're mad cause people are requesting you stop being an intimidating asshole and calm the fuck down? That's not allowed? You won't tolerate the kind behavior that's being show someone who is obviously upset but demand that everyone tolerant your abhorrent behavior. Mind-Fuckin-Blown!

Another perfect post!!

[Miss February]

One more thing that I forgot about this episode. Not only did Vicki buy Briana a new SUV, she had 3 delivered at the curb and Briana got to choose which of the three she liked best.  Isn't accepting an expensive gift like a $60k car like saying "okay mom, stay out of my business and get rid of Brooks but keep buying me stuff".  I know that Ryan has undergone some kind of back surgery and has had treatment for PTSD but doesn't this type of extravagances emasculate him just a bit?

 

Brianna could hardly turn down such a generous gift from her selfless, generous mother on national television.  Imagine Vicki's wrath if Brianna dared embarrass her like that.  And the tears.  Vicki presenting the (unwanted, unneeded) vehicles on camera was pure manipulation.  And it's really, really hard to decline presents from pushy, controlling people like Vicki.

[IKnowRight]

Ryan's personality is over the top, but it certainly is not representative of military personnel. I hear a lot of comments that are not so nice that stereotype the military, law enforcement, professional athletes, etc. Just like with priests, what percentage are really pedophiles?! Not any higher than school teachers, coaches... I can see 4 tours of duty dramatically changing his behavior - PTSD, but let's not blame his line of work for what his crappy, controlling personality. I think that was all there beforehand.

I certainly don't think it was Lizzie that poo poo'd Colby for having Mexican heritage. She wasn't on the show back then and I don't think she knows Colby. However, Tamra has made comments about Eddies Mexican heritage on the show. She, deservedly so, was called out on it on social media.

Clothing. Yes, Vicki wears her clothes too tight most of the time, but I think for the most part she's dresses fine. It's the tightness or wrong structure not her age that is the problem. She's not wearing micro minis or tummy baring tops, just the wrong size. I agree that Heather is well dressed. 95% of the time she is on point and has gorgeous clothes. For the most part I think Shannon looks great too. Yes, the blue dress at lunch with Heather was lovely. I also loved her gold shorts, cream top and wedges on their trip when she was pulled into the swimming pool. Her silk cranberry colored top in her talking heads is beautiful, that's not stuffy. Maybe she is noticing this now that she can see how youthful she looks when she's wearing certain outfits. I also love her home and decor. Yes, some of it is old fashioned, but it's classic and very tasteful. I like her style, but I also like modern, cottage, and traditional. I love episodes showing Shannon, Vicki and Heather's homes. I like house candy. I thought these houses were about the lives of those behind the gates that actually have real money. Hey, I don't care for Terry, but I loved their last house and look forward to seeing the next one come together.

Meghan. Shut. Up.

[Former Nun]

Brianna could hardly turn down such a generous gift from her selfless, generous mother on national television.

 

 

I'd like to add "glamorous celebrity" to this description, but I can't.  I just can't.

[tulip555]

I don't get all the Brianna hate in this forum. I haven't see every episode of this show, so perhaps I missed something, but Brianna seems sensible, takes care of her family, and could have turned out much worse with Vicki as a mother.

I feel the same way.'...she survived; got her nursing degree, and now seems to be happy. I absolutely cannot imagine life with Vicki for a mother. I have always thought Vicki latched onto the first man to pay her any attention.

[Former Nun]

I thought the things Meghan discussed seemed like common sense.  History of breast cancer in your family?  Get the BRCA test.  Stage III lymphoma?  See a cancer specialist.   That's just me...more pragmatic.  And as posters on this forum discuss every aspect of strangers' lives, why can't Meghan?

[IKnowRight]

Someone mentioned education level of these twits. I would put Shannon in the same category as Heather, they both are well educated. I agree the NY ladies are the most educated of them all. RHOC is just one step above the twits on RHONJ if you ask me.

I will add that Heather is bitchy though, watching her chastise the ladies for not keeping up on her house tour was pretty obnoxious. "Girls! Keep up, stay with the tour!!" Heather, shut it, and keep the champagne coming.

Edited September 10, 2015 by IKnowRight

[FozzyBear]

Someone mentioned education level of these twits. I would put Shannon in the same category as Heather, they both are well educated. I agree the NY ladies are the most educated of them all. RHOC is just one step above the twits on RHONJ if you ask me.

As best as I can remember.

Vicki: HS diploma

Tamara: GED

Heather:BA

Shannon:BA

Meghan:BA

Not that bad actually, about on par with BH. I think there was one season where Gretchen had the best education so...step up.

[ghoulina]

Brianna could hardly turn down such a generous gift from her selfless, generous mother on national television.  Imagine Vicki's wrath if Brianna dared embarrass her like that.  And the tears.  Vicki presenting the (unwanted, unneeded) vehicles on camera was pure manipulation.  And it's really, really hard to decline presents from pushy, controlling people like Vicki.

 

Yea, not only did doing it on camera put Brianna in an awkward spot, but there was also a gentleman from the dealership standing right there. That's probably a lot of work to bring all those vehicles out there, I'm sure Brianna didn't want to seem like a spoiled brat. I mean, yes, she still could have said no. But I agree that Vicki doing it on camera was to lessen the chances of that happening. 

[IKnowRight]

I thought the things Meghan discussed seemed like common sense.  History of breast cancer in your family?  Get the BRCA test.  Stage III lymphoma?  See a cancer specialist.   That's just me...more pragmatic.  And as posters on this forum discuss every aspect of strangers' lives, why can't Meghan?

Yes, common sense, I agree. However... Meghan believes her way is always the correct or right way. She's acting like a Know It All. Sorry, Meghan, leave that title to Bethenny or Heather on RHONY. Not everyone makes the same choices or decisions. Even physicians don't agree on the best treatment for every cancer patient. That's what the issue is with Meghan. She's the Nelly Olsen of RHOC. Who is she to question how someone decides to deal with their illness?!!

[Snarky McSnarky]

Terry has a medical degree.  Brooks has a Bachelor's from Mississippi State.  Slade has one from Long Beach State (even though he liked to bolt USC license plate frames on his vehicles).  Not sure about the other males, past or present.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Yea, not only did doing it on camera put Brianna in an awkward spot, but there was also a gentleman from the dealership standing right there. That's probably a lot of work to bring all those vehicles out there, I'm sure Brianna didn't want to seem like a spoiled brat. I mean, yes, she still could have said no. But I agree that Vicki doing it on camera was to lessen the chances of that happening. 

That had to have been pre-arranged.  Too much involved in schlepping three new vehicles all the way from a dealership to the house for them to just spring it on Briana without notice.  Ryan and the kids were conspicuously absent, too.

[IKnowRight]

As best as I can remember.

Vicki: HS diploma

Tamara: GED

Heather:BA

Shannon:BA

Meghan:BA

Not that bad actually, about on par with BH. I think there was one season where Gretchen had the best education so...step up.

I agree, that's not bad. I believe Gretchen went to Baylor.

Unfortunately though, they often act like idiots. Think back on the earlier seasons...ladies like Lori, Lynn!!! I have a BA, it's not that big of a deal. I've taken graduate classes, still not that big of a deal to me. In fact, anyone that can pass high school can get their BA if money or drive wasn't a factor. I went to a competitive college and was amazed by some of the stupidity passing for brains from time to time!

I'm thrilled my kids are college grads/in college. They are doing well and am proud of them no matter what...the engineering degrees impress me too. However, it's your brain and what you choose to do with it that to me is the true sign of someone who is educated. On this show, the idiots like Tamra appear to be the winners, because they are willing to get down and dirty in the mud.

My understanding is Lizzie is well educated, but I'm not sure where she went to college.

Terry has a medical degree. Brooks has a Bachelor's from Mississippi State. Slade has one from Long Beach State (even though he liked to bolt USC license plate frames on his vehicles). Not sure about the other males, past or present.

I wasn't referring to the men, I'm only pointing to the "real housewives" on these shows. Edited September 10, 2015 by IKnowRight

[freeradical]

Someone mentioned education level of these twits. I would put Shannon in the same category as Heather, they both are well educated. I agree the NY ladies are the most educated of them all. RHOC is just one step above the twits on RHONJ if you ask me.

I will add that Heather is bitchy though, watching her chastise the ladies for not keeping up on her house tour was pretty obnoxious. "Girls! Keep up, stay with the tour!!" Heather, shut it, and keep the champagne coming.

I just have to mention that Heather was doing a "bit" from the movie Dave, it was the tour guide "And we're walking, and we're walking, and we're stopping. Keep up people!" or something to that effect.

Editing to say I too would have thought it was completely weird that she was speaking to them that way if I didn't know the reference!

Edited September 11, 2015 by freeradical

[Snarky McSnarky]

I certainly don't think it was Lizzie that poo poo'd Colby for having Mexican heritage. She wasn't on the show back then and I don't think she knows Colby. However, Tamra has made comments about Eddies Mexican heritage on the show. She, deservedly so, was called out on it on social media.

 

It wasn't posted that Lizzie commented on Colby's heritage, it was that Vicki commented on Lizzie's heritage.  Thinking back, I do think Vicki said something about Colby being Mexican.  But I would not swear to it.

[RegalRegin]

Apologies if this was already posted regarding Ryan. He is a recruiter so he would have less contact with other military members than if he were stationed on the base as most stations have 6-7 recruiters per office. It's possible he was given that position because of his back injury as a way to still stay in the Marines while he had surgery and recovered (happened a lot when I was in the Navy).  

 

As for Briana and the two jobs; are nurses limited to a certain amount or hours per week? I can't imagine she's working two different jobs; maybe she's at one of the small scale ERs that aren't at a hospital but offer full ER care (not just an Urgent Care Clinic). My local small ER is in a shopping center but is an accredited ER with CTs MRI, lab on site and a small surgical area.

 

I've always like Briana because I have a mom very similar to Vicki and it is exhausting but she does look unhappy; hope she's just tired.

[Snarky McSnarky]

My understanding is Lizzie is well educated, but I'm not sure where she went to college.

I wasn't referring to the men, I'm only pointing to the "real housewives" on these shows.

I know, but I figured what the Hell -- throw the men a bone.  Lizzie went to the University of Kentucky. 

[Shelby]

I feel the same way.'...she survived; got her nursing degree, and now seems to be happy. I absolutely cannot imagine life with Vicki for a mother. I have always thought Vicki latched onto the first man to pay her any attention.

She does seem happy and like a loving wife and mother to me. Yes, she lamented about not having made new friends, or having someone to watch the kids while she went to that store, but I just don't see her as a presently unhappy, awful person in a terrible marriage like others do.

I'm sure her personality changes when Vicki is around, and that's really the only side of her that we see. You'd have to close yourself off around a controlling narcissist to avoid conflict, and for self-preservation.

[talula]

I thought the things Meghan discussed seemed like common sense. History of breast cancer in your family? Get the BRCA test. Stage III lymphoma? See a cancer specialist. That's just me...more pragmatic. And as posters on this forum discuss every aspect of strangers' lives, why can't Meghan?

Here's another viewpoint Former Nun

Published on September 9, 2015

Why The Real Housewives of OC Need to ZIP IT on Cancer

written by jaclynkayb

Excerpt-

These last few episodes of RHOC have had me shouting at my TV (even more than I usually do when I watch a Housewives franchise) because a public person – who many people will unfortunately listen to for no other reason than their minimal fame-is leading people to believe there is only one way to treat and beat this illness. This is dangerous and it’s simply not the case. Not only is it not the case, but it is negligent – in my opinion- for Meghan, and by all means the BRAVO network, to not offer any resources to educate their viewing public. How many times have reality or scripted television programs flashed resources at commercial breaks or closing credits for drug addiction, safe sex, teen pregnancy, or domestic violence? Cancer certainly affects as many lives, perhaps more, than all these epidemics combined. Why not simply preface these episodes just as I prefaced my blog.

We also watched the “OG of the OC”, Vicki Gunvalson rally around then-boyfriend, Brooks Ayers as he was apparently battling a 2nd relapse of non-hodgkins lymphoma, a cancer our family has unfortunately come to know well. Brooks and Vicki shared in more recent episodes that Brooks was not responding to chemotherapy and wanted to end that treatment path. He had decided to start working with a naturopath physician who he claimed was also a survivor of NHL and had found a “cure” using Resveratrol.

But HERE is where I take issue. In Meghan Edmond’s quest to get the “real story” she started offering a list of reasons for questioning the validity of Brooks’ diagnosis. “I mean, what is resveratrol?!” – well, Meghan , look it up! There are numerous, accounts of people who have taken resveratrol intravenously and claim to have eradicated their cancer. She continued to maintain her concern was because she cared and because she was currently so affected by cancer herself, helping to care for Leanne. But she also continued to doubt there was any real efficacy to be had in an integrative treatment, “if there was a cure do you think people wouldn’t know about it??!” – as a matter of fact, I do. While people may want to call it a “conspiracy theory” that there are existing cancer cures not being shared with the public, the numbers to rationalize that opinion don’t lie.

“The cancer industry is probably the most prosperous business in the United States. In 2014, there will be an estimated 1,665,540 new cancer cases diagnosed and 585,720 cancer deaths in the US. $6 billion of tax-payer funds are cycled through various federal agencies for cancer research, such as the National Cancer Institute (NCI). The NCI states that the medical costs of cancer care are $125 billion, with a projected 39 percent increase to $173 billion by 2020.” – Health Impact News

In short: There’s too little money to be made in curing a disease vs treating it. But that’s a whole different blog.

My message to ALL of my clients is that there is no, “one size fits all” approach to wellness or to battling disease because we are all DIFFERENT. We have to remember this fact and too often we forget it and unfortunately that is very common in most conventional medicine.

Lastly, I want to state that I am not against chemotherapy, radiation or other forms of conventional cancer care. I simply believe you need to look at each person’s treatment plan individually. If Brooks has in fact sustained the grueling NHL chemotherapy treatments and they aren’t serving their purpose (to destroy cancer cells) it is – in my opinion- worth trying something new and not harmful his immune system.

Again, my hope for anyone reading this is that you educate yourself to make empowered decisions for your individual treatment. You don’t have to agree with me or follow protocols I share, you don’t have to fight cancer the way my husband fought cancer. I just ask that all of us educate ourselves, and not question or judge the choices of others facing this difficult diagnosis. Make the choice that gives you the most peace and comfort as you fight the good fight.

http://jaclyndixon.com/2015/09/09/why-the-real-housewives-of-oc-need-to-zip-it-on-cancer/

Edited September 10, 2015 by talula

[RedheadZombie]

This is only my second season, so I was quite surprised to see that Brianna was thin eight years ago.  I wonder if the weight gain is part of her unhappiness.  Even if she has the healthiest body image, she gained a significant amount of weight in a short period of time.  That is very taxing on the body, and nursing (not to mention two small children) can be physically strenuous.

 

It's common logic that someone raised by a controlling parent would avoid that characteristic in a spouse.  But it's been proven time and again that women marry what they know.  Daughters of alcoholics marry alcoholics, and daughters of abusers marry abusers.  It's possible that Brianna was drawn to a controlling spouse because it felt normal and safe.  She may not have realized what she was getting into.

[RegalRegin]

This is only my second season, so I was quite surprised to see that Brianna was thin eight years ago.  I wonder if the weight gain is part of her unhappiness.  Even if she has the healthiest body image, she gained a significant amount of weight in a short period of time.  That is very taxing on the body, and nursing (not to mention two small children) can be physically strenuous.

 

It's common logic that someone raised by a controlling parent would avoid that characteristic in a spouse.  But it's been proven time and again that women marry what they know.  Daughters of alcoholics marry alcoholics, and daughters of abusers marry abusers.  It's possible that Brianna was drawn to a controlling spouse because it felt normal and safe.  She may not have realized what she was getting into.

She had serious thyroid issues maybe 5-6 years ago and she put a lot of weight on after that. As for my unhappy comment about her, I meant to compared how she used to be; even with the crazy mom she managed to laugh a lot and seemed very grounded. I''m sure the stress of all the things she mentioned in the episode are getting to her which would make anyone no so chipper. 

[zenme]

This is only my second season, so I was quite surprised to see that Brianna was thin eight years ago.  I wonder if the weight gain is part of her unhappiness.  Even if she has the healthiest body image, she gained a significant amount of weight in a short period of time.  That is very taxing on the body, and nursing (not to mention two small children) can be physically strenuous.

 

Brianna had thyroid cancer.

 

ETA:RegalRegin, you beat me to it. 

Edited September 10, 2015 by zenme

[Sincerely Yours]

Yes, common sense, I agree. However... Meghan believes her way is always the correct or right way. She's acting like a Know It All. Sorry, Meghan, leave that title to Bethenny or Heather on RHONY. Not everyone makes the same choices or decisions. Even physicians don't agree on the best treatment for every cancer patient. That's what the issue is with Meghan. She's the Nelly Olsen of RHOC. Who is she to question how someone decides to deal with their illness?!!

I heart you just for this LHOTP reference.

[Lucelu]

If that were the case then fine whatever but let's call it what it is. Brianna wants to make it clear that things are to be done her way and since her mother has decided to go against her wishes then she's gonna make sure Vicki is gonna feel the repercussions of her decision to go against her daughters wishes and she's using the biggest weapon in her arsenal which is herself and her children. 

That plus 10000 is what I meant at the beginning of the thread about Briana being controlling and using her kids to control Vicki and to punish her by withholding them when she does not comply. Then she turns it around and is like "don't make me out to be the asshole when it's you who won't keep my "family home" Brooks free."

[IKnowRight]

I heart you just for this LHOTP reference.

Ha Ha Sincerely Yours! I think there's a LHOTP in every situation! I also think there are Nelly Olsons in everyone's life!! Unfortunately, I've encountered a few. Damn, I always wanted to be Mary...until Laura married Almanzo. Dean Butler...

[charmed1]

I'd forgotten that Ragey Ryan's punk ass lied on Lydia's mom and made her out to be some rabid animal, not realizing he was being recorded. Even Judy's description of his behavior to Vicki was tame in comparison to what I actually heard on the audio. I think at the reunion, Lydia expected an apology or at least an acknowledgment from Brianna that her husband crossed the line, but got nothing. At least not on camera. Yet she flipped out over Brooks' drunk ass. That's when she fell out of favor with me.

[Shelby]

That plus 10000 is what I meant at the beginning of the thread about Briana being controlling and using her kids to control Vicki and to punish her by withholding them when she does not comply. Then she turns it around and is like "don't make me out to be the asshole when it's you who won't keep my "family home" Brooks free."

When has Brianna witheld the kids from Vicki? I honestly haven't seen it. Vicki's been out to see her grandkids over a dozen times, and Brianna stated she likes it when Vicki comes out to watch the kids.

Brianna wanted to stay in a hotel in OC. I'm certain that did not mean the kids couldn't see Grandma. They would just have to see her somewhere other than at the residence shared with Brooks. Brianna is their mother, she is well within her rights to decide that.

It's really interesting that all of us watch the same show, and see such different things with these women.

[WireWrap]

That plus 10000 is what I meant at the beginning of the thread about Briana being controlling and using her kids to control Vicki and to punish her by withholding them when she does not comply. Then she turns it around and is like "don't make me out to be the asshole when it's you who won't keep my "family home" Brooks free."

Please, give me 1 example of Briana using her kids to punish Vicki. Please give me 1 time Briana kept the kids from Vicki or refused to allow Vicki to visit her/kids in OK. I have yet to see Briana deny Vicki anything other than being around Brooks, so I don't know where people are seeing/hearing or even reading that this has happened. Was there an interview that Vicki gave where she made this claim against Briana or one that Briana gave where she stated she did this that I missed?

[Shelby]

I'd forgotten that Ragey Ryan's punk ass lied on Lydia's mom and made her out to be some rabid animal, not realizing he was being recorded. Even Judy's description of his behavior to Vicki was tame in comparison to what I actually heard on the audio. I think at the reunion, Lydia expected an apology or at least an acknowledgment from Brianna that her husband crossed the line, but got nothing. At least not on camera. Yet she flipped out over Brooks' drunk ass. That's when she fell out of favor with me.

Thanks for sharing your reason for disliking her.

Do you remember which season/episode this was? I'd like to watch it on Hulu.

[imjagain]

YES!! to all of this.

I forgot about him barking to Vicki, "don't hug her!" re: Judy and also Briana's giggling after Ryan had just exploded at Judy. It was very eerie. I also recall that Briana went upstairs with Vicki and when Vicki tried to discuss Ryan's rage attack, Briana quickly shut her down and brushed it off. Just like she brushed it off at the reunion which was totally unfair. Why didn't she have to answer for her husband's insane verbal abuse of Lydia's mom?? And it is strange how Briana seems almost meek around Ryan, a very bad sign.

Meghan sure does love to discuss "Can't-Sir" (thank you so much for that!). She must say that word 20 times an episode.

Another perfect post!!

Yes, I forgot him screaming "don't hug her Vicki! " and Vicki sliding her arm off Lydia's mom. It was all so creepy. Edited September 10, 2015 by imjagain

[RedheadZombie]

As best as I can remember.

Vicki: HS diploma

Tamara: GED

Heather:BA

Shannon:BA

Meghan:BA

Not that bad actually, about on par with BH. I think there was one season where Gretchen had the best education so...step up.

I think they surpass BH. Other than Taylor, I can't find mention of any college in that franchise.

[Former Nun]

I will add that Heather is bitchy though, watching her chastise the ladies for not keeping up on her house tour was pretty obnoxious. "Girls! Keep up, stay with the tour!!"

 

 

I took that as a joke...pretending that she was an official tour guide and trying to keep her charges on time.

 

While I'm in the Dubrow house I want to mention that for some reason I really felt sorry (personally) for the "anal leakage" jokes about Terry.  It seemed like a new low.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Former Nun

[Former Nun]

Here's another viewpoint Former Nun

 

 

I read the interesting and factual (in some parts) article presented.  Since the person writing the article is a "reflexologist," my prejudice gets in the way. 

Edited September 10, 2015 by Former Nun

[RedHawk]

I thought the things Meghan discussed seemed like common sense. History of breast cancer in your family? Get the BRCA test. Stage III lymphoma? See a cancer specialist. That's just me...more pragmatic. And as posters on this forum discuss every aspect of strangers' lives, why can't Meghan?

I want to respond to this, in case anyone doesn't understand, finding you do not have the BRCA gene mutation does NOT mean that you will not get breast cancer. It's really not a simple "common sense" thing to get tested and then deal with the positive results, consider major life-altering surgery, etc. Negative results are sometimes not definitive as well. And insurance doesn't always cover the rather expensive test. It's just not as easy as "making an appointment with a specialist" when you've already been diagnosed with cancer.

Edited September 11, 2015 by RedHawk

[Bebecat]

If Brianna had not accepted the SUV, Icky would have had a melt-down, crying for her mommy and trying to become a martyr. "At least you HAVE a mommy to buy you nice things, I am a ORPHAN! Wah!"

Edited September 10, 2015 by Bebecat

[RedHawk]

She actually did say to Brianna, when she was panicking about the possible tornado, "I want my mommy! YOU have a mommy. I'm your mother!" Or something like that. Vicki never fails me.

[Muffyn]

I know it's wrong, bht I would laugh it turned out to be cancerous but everyone thought she was being a "copy cat".

Given this crew, they would claim she didn't have cancer and was only making it up to get a new boob job. Just thinking back to Alexis' nose job when she was honest and said she was having sinus surgery and while she was under, she had her bump removed.  Tamra, as usual, led the attack.   

 

Last season Briana moved in March, I believe to OKC and the Reunion taped in mid-July and Vicki mentioned she had already been there seven times.  I just wonder if all VIcki's business trips are routed through OKC.

Thanks for mentioning this.  I had forgotten about the 7 trips in four months.  Vicki routing her business trips through OKC makes a lot of sense.  Dr. Muffyn and I used to do this.  

 

No one ever feels physically in danger around Vicki! 

To be fair, if Vicki wore a dress with buttons I might feel physically in danger around her.  With how tight she wears things, she could pop a button and send it flying.  Next thing you know, someone is missing an eye!  

[Lucelu]

I meant she withholds the children staying at Vicki's because Vicki has Brooks living with her.

So... No sleepovers at grandmas.  Even though I had a rocky relationship with my MIL and didn't really care for her husband, I still sent my 6 year old son to spend a few weeks to a month with them in Florida. My relationship with them was not his relationship with them and we lived far away and I wanted my son to feel connected to his grandparents growing up. Prior to that we lived closer and he would spend the day or weekend with her. He is her only grandson and gave her a lot of joy. 

 

so it is manipulation, she can only spend time with them in certain circumstances --not an obvious "you can't see your grandchildren" because Briana wants the break/help and the swag.

 

I don't know why Vicki chose to gift Briana a Tahoe. Maybe she and Ryan had expensive repairs on the Mercedes. Maybe people made some judgey remarks about it locally. Perhaps Vicks thought it would be a larger vehicle that the family would grow into allowing Briana to carpool with other families for kids sports, school and activities. It also has plenty of room for large shopping trips. It also has lots of room for suitcases in case Briana wants to drive back to the OC. I know that when Vicki had thought about it she mentioned it while she was on vacation because she wanted to cheer Briana up. Vicki can't buy her friends or a social life or a laid back affable husband.

 

That said, I think she should lighten up. Life sucks when you have to work a hard job like nursing while raising 2 toddlers and for some reason, can't make a friend or hire a nanny. Plus she has shit for energy without the thyroid and lives with Sgt. Inspector.

 

[bravofan27]

She actually did say to Brianna, when she was panicking about the possible tornado, "I want my mommy! YOU have a mommy. I'm your mother!" Or something like that. Vicki never fails me.

 

Vicki is so competitive it bothers her that Brianna has a mom and she doesn't. Even though she is Brianna's mom. She's jealous of herself. 

[Bebecat]

If Brianna stays in a hotel with her kids...she is hardly keeping them from forming a bond with Icky. Seems like they see Icky more than once a month on average.

[WireWrap]

I meant she withholds the children staying at Vicki's because Vicki has Brooks living with her.

So... No sleepovers at grandmas.  Even though I had a rocky relationship with my MIL and didn't really care for her husband, I still sent my 6 year old son to spend a few weeks to a month with them in Florida. My relationship with them was not his relationship with them and we lived far away and I wanted my son to feel connected to his grandparents growing up. Prior to that we lived closer and he would spend the day or weekend with her. He is her only grandson and gave her a lot of joy. 

 

so it is manipulation, she can only spend time with them in certain circumstances --not an obvious "you can't see your grandchildren" because Briana wants the break/help and the swag.

 

I don't know why Vicki chose to gift Briana a Tahoe. Maybe she and Ryan had expensive repairs on the Mercedes. Maybe people made some judgey remarks about it locally. Perhaps Vicks thought it would be a larger vehicle that the family would grow into allowing Briana to carpool with other families for kids sports, school and activities. It also has plenty of room for large shopping trips. It also has lots of room for suitcases in case Briana wants to drive back to the OC. I know that when Vicki had thought about it she mentioned it while she was on vacation because she wanted to cheer Briana up. Vicki can't buy her friends or a social life or a laid back affable husband.

 

That said, I think she should lighten up. Life sucks when you have to work a hard job like nursing while raising 2 toddlers and for some reason, can't make a friend or hire a nanny. Plus she has shit for energy without the thyroid and lives with Sgt. Inspector.

Vicki did explain why she bought Briana a new SUV. It was so that she did not have to squeeze in between 2 car seats when she came to visit them. It is still all about Vicki's needs/wants/comfort in the end IMO. LOL

[Miss February]

I meant she withholds the children staying at Vicki's because Vicki has Brooks living with her.

So... No sleepovers at grandmas.  Even though I had a rocky relationship with my MIL and didn't really care for her husband, I still sent my 6 year old son to spend a few weeks to a month with them in Florida. My relationship with them was not his relationship with them and we lived far away and I wanted my son to feel connected to his grandparents growing up. Prior to that we lived closer and he would spend the day or weekend with her. He is her only grandson and gave her a lot of joy.

 

Brooks isn't Brianna's kids' grandparent, though.  By Vicki choosing to have her boyfriend live with her now, she wants to have her cake and eat it too.  She's known for a long time how Brianna feels about Brooks, but she thinks Brianna should simply dumb down and do what Vicki wants.  I think it's quite reasonable for Brianna not to subject her children to a man she herself finds objectionable or dangerous, and of course she doesn't want them to "connect" with him.  She's probably seen Vicki with or heard about a few men over the past few years, including during her marriage to Donn.  As I said upthread, why should Brianna compromise her values over some guy when Vicki doesn't take these relationships that seriously herself?

Edited September 10, 2015 by Miss February

[Shelby]

This is funny. I knew it! I even went back to rewatch and find it.

So in Season 1, episode 6, Vicki heads back to Cary, IL to visit her oh-so-dear mother.

In the episode, she stays in a hotel. Very calmy, in her TH, she states that whenever she goes to visit her mom she stays in a hotel to avoid conflict.

Geesh! The way she lost it when Brianna tried to calmly do the same exact thing!

[Miss February]

This is funny. I knew it! I even went back to rewatch and find it.

So in Season 1, episode 6, Vicki heads back to Cary, IL to visit her oh-so-dear mother.

In the episode, she stays in a hotel. Very calmy, in her TH, she states that whenever she goes to visit her mom she stays in a hotel to avoid conflict.

Geesh! The way she lost it when Brianna tried to calmly do the same exact thing!

 

Wow.  Yet even one more way that Vicki proves herself to be a hypocrite.  There are so many, and yet they just keep coming.

[AnnA]

As best as I can remember.

Vicki: HS diploma

Tamara: GED

Heather:BA

Shannon:BA

Meghan:BA

Not that bad actually, about on par with BH. I think there was one season where Gretchen had the best education so...step up.

 

Now I'm curious.

 

Who on BH has a BA?

[imjagain]

Thanks for sharing your reason for disliking her.

Do you remember which season/episode this was? I'd like to watch it on Hulu.

I'm pretty sure it the last episode of season 8.

Eta : I just looked, it's episode 18. I'm pretty sure. I didn't click on it.

Edited September 10, 2015 by imjagain