S02.E01: Whitney's Back!/S02.E02: Pasta La Vista, Baby

[OnceSane]

1.

In the Season 2 premiere, Whitney visits a doctor to see if her lifestyle changes have made a difference since she as diagnosed with prediabetes. Later, Whitney tries to ride a bike for the first time in years.

2.

A farewell to comfort foods is difficult for Whitney while other people at a party indulge.

[winsomeone]

Was watching the preview where Whitney is riding the bike, and shrieking and screaming. I am sorry for this, but all I could think of was, God, if she sounds like that riding a bike, what in the world does she sound like when she is having sex? She looks even bigger than last year..at least 450 pounds. Someone needs to lock her in a room and remove all of the food.

[Hero]

I'm honestly surprised she got a second season. The first one was so boring and fake.

[Kiss my mutt]

I'm wondering with the Duggar cancelation if shows that weren't going to be renewed are getting a second chance. This girl would be annoying and uninteresting no matter her weight.

[VioletNevermind]

Damn this silly woman. She makes me feel mean because she seriously annoys me. I'm glad she views herself as a strong, confident, super-capable woman, but I sure don't. I've watched every episode out of pure curiosity and all I see is an obnoxious, ungrateful, spoiled, lazy, overgrown kid with an incredibly scripted TLC show that will almost certainly not see 2017. I can count on one hand the times I've seen her discuss anything without braying like a donkey and calling other people "jelly haters." I don't think she's satisfied unless all eyes are on her and the discussion is focused on her issues. It must be exhausting for those around her.

So much of this show is built on Whitney's past as a dancer, but I'm still not seeing any dancing. Her moves in the dance class she teaches look more like a workout or a Zumba class. She also has not lost any weight since the last season. What has she been doing all this time? I honestly want to know.

[DixonVixen2359]

Such a shame. Whitney is a beautiful girl,but watching her blubbering about how she's trying so hard to lose weight really grinds my gears. Her diet is absolute crap from what we've seen on the show. Ditch the junk food.... Diabetes is a serious thing Whitney.

[absolutelyido]

I don't believe for one second that Whitney eats "nothing" all day. I can believe she doesn't have a meal until supper, but I am sure she eats lots of "snackies" as she calls them, all day long.

[Hero]

This woman acts like a fucking 12 year old. Her instagram is full of stupidity and wanting attention.

[notyrmomma]

I don't believe for one second that Whitney eats "nothing" all day. I can believe she doesn't have a meal until supper, but I am sure she eats lots of "snackies" as she calls them, all day long.

Denial much? They don't count "snackies" as eating.  LOL

 

The custom bike thing made me laugh.  I wonder how much that thing cost!!!  She supposedly has no "job" (well, we know she works for TLC), but can, on a whim, say "sure, build me a bike!"  Are you kidding me?

 

I want them to address why she doesn't want bariatric surgery.  Her chances of getting to a normal weight without it are about 1%  http://www.healthline.com/health-news/obese-people-have-slim-chance-of-obtaining-normal-body-weight-071615

 

Also, the fact that she only lost 3 pounds in 3 months (when you are that size, your weight could vary by 10 pounds day to day) proves that just exercising doesn't work.

 

This woman acts like a fucking 12 year old. Her instagram is full of stupidity and wanting attention.

My husband, who only watched this last night for 15 minutes, said "what an attention whore!"

[Morgalisa]

She probably doesn't  eat all day, but with her "snackies" and sweet tea and "coffee runs" (which her friends said was her job), she is consuming mass calories. All her life she has been spoiled, enabled and indulged by her parents.  She is definitely emotionally a 12 year old.  Her friends don't help her; they indulge her as well.  She needs a support system who will call her on her shit.  I would like to see her succeed, but she needs counseling.

[winsomeone]

Whitney cries because she is supposedly pre diabetic, yet being almost 400 pounds doesn't concern her in the least? Her doctor sure uses different numbers than mine. To mine, 5.7 is a diabetic, not 6.5. Mine said that normal people's numbers would be somewhere in the mid 4s. My first test was 5.7, and I am now considered a diabetic, and have that diagnosis on my chart. Also, I was hoping the doctor would ream her out about her weight, and that didn't happen of course..guess it is normal for her patients to weigh that much or something?

[Dirtybubble]

 

Can we talk about this no coffee thing; no coffee at all?  Really?  Or is it no coffee with sugar and high fat creamers?  I drink between 2-4 cups in the morning but I try to limit myself to only 1 Truvia per cup and a small amount of a fat free creamer.  But maybe Whitney drinks coffee all through out the day...*shrug*

 

I did like her nutritionist not cutting out any food group completely.  These no carb diets are stupid. 

 

I kinda feel bad for her--the idea of loosing 200+ lbs is very overwhelming.  I would say take baby steps--cut out sweet tea and sodas first.  Make small goals for yourself.

She probably doesn't  eat all day, but with her "snackies" and sweet tea and "coffee runs" (which her friends said was her job), she is consuming mass calories.

Yeah I dated a guy like this once.  He would say I don't each much or only eat once a day when what was happening he was only eating one meal a day but snacking on junk food thru out the day.  A small bag of chips here, a bite of this or that, it can add up quickly but in his mind it wasn't actually eating--it was only the sit down meal he would think about when trying to figure out his diet. 

 

[CarolMK]

I like her mom Babs better than anyone else on the show. But I don't know if we'll see her as much now that Whitney and Buddy have moved in together.

 

I have a feeling that this best friend of hers is actually much more of a romantic relationship than she's willing to admit.

I feel for her on the prediabetes issue. And it is hard, watching what you eat all of the time without becoming obsessed with it. That part is difficult. However, Whitney probably needs counseling to address her emotional issues with her weight rather than just seeing the dietician. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

[ClareWalks]

Whitney is so frustrating. I am a personal trainer and have had a lot of clients like her. They think, "oh, I worked out (at a low intensity) for 45 minutes, so I can eat whatever I want. I exercise with a trainer every week, why don't I lose weight?!" I tell them the same thing every time: it's not about what you do with me for an hour a week, it's about what you do the other 167 hours. It doesn't honestly matter how much you think you are exercising, unless you are Michael Phelps or in end-stage training for an Ironman triathlon, you cannot eat whatever you want, ever. Particularly if you are a food addict with a hormonal disorder who weighs well over 300 lb. 

 

Fact is, with PCOS and diabetes, Whitney will always need to watch her diet. She will always need to restrict her calories. She will always need to exercise more than the average bear to be able to lose weight at all, or maintain a weight loss. The sooner she comes to terms with that reality, the better she will do. But I fear her immaturity and entitlement will be her biggest obstacles.

 

Edited to add: oh my god, the preview for this season...she is dryheaving trying to walk a 5K?! I'm also tired of her saying "you think (activity) is hard, imagine doing (activity) at 400 lb!" Yeah, most of us...don't HAVE to imagine that. Because most of us have a modicum of self-control.

Edited September 10, 2015 by ClareWalks

[Christi]

It seems as if everything revolves around her weight. Her parents are so worried, and appear to be rather well off. Why doesnt she just get gastric bypass?

She has so much weight to lose, that I honestly dont think she will be able to do it on her own.

It really could be a life saver for her.

[Hero]

I actually think she doesn't really want to lose weight. Her weight brings her attention and she obviously loves attention.

And everyone knows she doesn't really eat one meal a day. She snacks, and all the snacks that she has is probably equivalent to five meals.

[greekmom]

In my diet group there are a few people who were the same weight as Whitney.  They were able to get the weight off with the low carb, no sugar, low sodium, high protein diet.  

I agree with the posters above that this girl feels she is entitled. Before going to the nutritionist and claiming "i only eat 1 meal a day" did she actually have a food diary? I would love to see what she actually consumes in a day.  Also as everyone posted above, "snackies" are not a free for all. They count.  And she doesn't need to cut out coffee. A straight drip coffee with a sugar substitute and light cream is fine.  Drinking your mocha double whipped frappacinios is not.

The girl is in so denial of her health and she doesn't need these yes friends. 

Also 3 pounds in 3 months would be water weight.  At her size and if she was dedicated, should would have easily lost 10 pounds the first two weeks if she cut her carbs and sugars alone. 

Until Whitney faces the hard truth and does something serious about it and not half assed backwards then she will succeed.  She can spout all the positive slogans but she needs to listen to them as well.  Passion is one thing, actually action is another.  Until she takes action for her situation, nothing will happen.

I really do hope she succeeds.

[VioletNevermind]

All of the "will they or won't they" crap where Buddy is concerned is just that: crap.  We have a full season ahead of us to listen to her talk about whether or not to "cross the fleshhold" with this person.

 

Great looking couple, am I right?  (Yikes.)  http://www.toofab.com/2015/09/08/my-big-fat-fabulous-life-whitney-thore-boyfriend/

[suzeecat]

I think Whitney is like a LOT of the population, with little to no real knowledge of nutrition other than the junk they see on TV commercials.  I was there at one point, though not nearly Whitney's size.  Nevertheless, when I wanted to lose weight I thought I would just start exercising and burning calories would make the weight come off.  Nope.  So I cut out sodas.  Nothing.  Cut out fried foods.  Nope.  Finally I got tired of trying things and getting no results so I went on an official clean-eating regime.  I finally learned about HEALTHY eating, not dieting. 

 

It still amazes me the horrible nutrition information mass media throws at us, leading people to think that if they eat their processed low fat, no fat, multi grain whatzits and meal replacement shakes we will be HEALTHY and SLIM.  If Whitney can learn to buy and prepare whole foods and ignore the processed junk she would be doing such a service to her viewers and fans. 

 

I don't think Whitney necessarily wants to lose weight - her physique is her income and she has long ago come to terms with her size.  But she does want and NEED to get that diabetes under control.

 

P.S.  I'd say Whitney definitely looks like she's lost weight in those pics with her new boyfriend!

Edited September 10, 2015 by suzeecat

[Dirtybubble]

 

Great looking couple, am I right?  (Yikes.)  http://www.toofab.co...hore-boyfriend/

 

Her new bf kinda looks like the bearded gentleman we saw in S1--the guy she went to college with that was from CA.   But the article says he hasn't been on the show yet so I guess not.  Enh I'm not a fan of the ZZ Top beard personally but they look happy together so good for them I guess.

 

I like Buddy but yeah this will they or wont they is getting old fast.  I hated that from S1 and it looks like they are going with that story line again...ugh =(

 

I don't think Whitney necessarily wants to lose weight - her physique is her income and she has long ago come to terms with her size.

WORD!  Her weight defines her and her life is centered around that.  If we take that away we would have your garden variety 30-something chick--BORING.  She has the dance but again that is all about loosing weight.

 

P.S.  I'd say Whitney definitely looks like she's lost weight in those pics with her new boyfriend!

Enh if you say so, I don't really see it *shrug*

Edited September 10, 2015 by Dirtybubble

[greekmom]

 

 

WORD!  Her weight defines her and her life is centered around that.  If we take that away we would have your garden variety 30-something chick--BORING.  She has the dance but again that is all about loosing weight.

 

Enh if you say so, I don't really see it *shrug*

 

Agreed. I don't see it either.

Really if she turned down the obnoxious attitude about 10 notches and actually lost the weight they can do a TLC show.

Season 2 - Whitney loses weight/gains bf

Season 3 - Whitney adjust life as a normal person trying to maintain healthy weight. Bf proposes

Season 4 - Whitney gets ready for wedding. Continues zumba. Deals w/ excess skin. Maybe goes for some removal of skin before wedding

 

This crap writes itself.  

[Andrews m]

Why is there so much hatred and vitriole towards overweight people? I have PCOs and am on Prednisone all the time for asthma and sarcoidosis, and I am not a thin girl. PCOS is difficult to manage. I work out and try to be healthy, but the only time ai was ever skinny was when I was extraordinarily ill with the sarcoidosis. Whitney is immature, I am sure she has food issues (who doesn't?), and I can see how her father's attitude can be very destructive to her self-esteem. That is why she is such an attention-seeker. So she's somewhat irritating. But liking pasta and pizza does not make her a bad person.

[ClareWalks]

Why is there so much hatred and vitriole towards overweight people? I have PCOs and am on Prednisone all the time for asthma and sarcoidosis, and I am not a thin girl. PCOS is difficult to manage. I work out and try to be healthy, but the only time ai was ever skinny was when I was extraordinarily ill with the sarcoidosis. Whitney is immature, I am sure she has food issues (who doesn't?), and I can see how her father's attitude can be very destructive to her self-esteem. That is why she is such an attention-seeker. So she's somewhat irritating. But liking pasta and pizza does not make her a bad person.

 

I'm not seeing a lot of hatred and vitriol on the thread for overweight people. I see a lot of people who are annoyed with Whitney in particular, and frustrated that she is in a "hell" of her own making and has thusfar refused to make simple changes that could literally save her life. There is a difference between having PCOS (which sucks, and I'm sorry you have to deal with that!), having food issues, and being nearly 400 lb because you eat everything you want and have no ownership of it. And it's not even that part that I mind, it's the "whyyyyyy am I not losing weight? I'm trying!" attitude that accompanies it, when Whitney until now has not been trying.

[Snarklepuss]

 

I'm not seeing a lot of hatred and vitriol on the thread for overweight people. I see a lot of people who are annoyed with Whitney in particular, and frustrated that she is in a "hell" of her own making and has thusfar refused to make simple changes that could literally save her life. There is a difference between having PCOS (which sucks, and I'm sorry you have to deal with that!), having food issues, and being nearly 400 lb because you eat everything you want and have no ownership of it. And it's not even that part that I mind, it's the "whyyyyyy am I not losing weight? I'm trying!" attitude that accompanies it, when Whitney until now has not been trying.

 

No offense intended but I may not see hatred and vitriol but I do see a lot of misunderstanding about people with disorders like PCOS.  You don't have to "eat everything you want" to get fat with that, and of course how fat a person can get with such a disorder varies by the person and the severity of their issue.  I don't judge unless I see evidence of it and so far I have not.  I personally think that if Whitney had her family's "normal" metabolism she wouldn't be anywhere NEAR 400 pounds even if she ate everything she wanted.  From what I know about the disorder it can be very hard to manage one's weight with it, and forget about losing weight.  Insulin resistance makes that extremely hard to achieve.  

 

Before I was 25 I could eat anything I wanted and stay around 100 lbs.  At Whitney's age I became extremely athletic.  In my late 20s I noticed my weight creeping up seemingly for no reason (I hadn't changed anything) so I took up bike riding and soon was doing 50 mile rides every weekend and spending evenings at the gym.  At that time I literally could eat anything I wanted.  But then after a few years even all that exercise wasn't enough and I had to reduce my calories and go on Weight Watchers.  Well, you know something is wrong when you're bike riding like a maniac AND eating a healthy diet and you're still having trouble managing your weight.  When my career changed and I couldn't bike ride so much anymore my weight went up 30 pounds almost overnight, which I lost, but not without a monumental effort.  I don't have PCOS but obesity runs on the female side of my family.  I consider it a feat of immense self control that I was able to control my weight AT ALL given the hand I was dealt.  I have had to be on strict diets most of my adult life.  I didn't eat stuff like bacon, fast food or doughnuts for DECADES (I still don't eat stuff like that - perhaps the occasional bacon slice but that's it).  Then menopause happened and insulin resistance despite my best efforts (again, runs on the female side of my family).  I cut out all added sugar and adopted a lower carb. diet to combat this, lost 10 pounds but then my body decided to regain it on the SAME diet!  Now forget it, I am 57 years old and I would probably have to turn into freaking Madonna to get back into my size 8 jeans - I am a size 16 right now and that's with a LOT of effort.  And I don't have the time nor the money to spend the entire day with a personal trainer.  Not to mention the energy to sustain that at my age, which does go down after menopause.  So I don't judge.

 

It's awfully hard when you're young to see all your thin friends eating everything they want and not gain weight, or at least stay below 250.  All that when you're exercising a lot too!  Whitney is not a sedentary person!  Whitney is insufferable but I don't think that's what's making her fat.  I don't think you have to be a self indulgent, immature attention whore who binges daily to suffer from her issues.   I see the thinnest women eating the hugest, most fattening meals every day in my company cafeteria and wonder how they might judge someone like myself.  They've never walked a mile in my shoes.  Many of them will start to gain weight when they get older despite their best efforts and maybe then they'll be less judgmental.  So I tend to feel sorry for Whitney.  Unfortunately I agree with whoever said bypass surgery might be her best and only option if she wants to avoid diabetes.  I just wish I could see more empathy for her situation.  She does NOT have a normal metabolism.  She is NOT necessarily consuming enough quantities of unhealthy foods to justify her weight in a normal person.  One size does not fit all and what works for those without such issues won't work for her.  OK, off soapbox for now!

Edited September 11, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[ClareWalks]

No offense intended but I may not see hatred and vitriol but I do see a lot of misunderstanding about people with disorders like PCOS.  You don't have to "eat everything you want" to get fat with that, and of course how fat a person can get with such a disorder varies by the person and the severity of their issue.  I don't judge unless I see evidence of it and so far I have not.  I personally think that if Whitney had her family's "normal" metabolism she wouldn't be anywhere NEAR 400 pounds even if she ate everything she wanted.  From what I know about the disorder it can be very hard to manage one's weight with it, and forget about losing weight.  Insulin resistance makes that extremely hard to achieve.  

 

 

I totally understand PCOS and I know a lot of "fit and fat" people who work out, HARD, for an hour 6 days a week and are still about 50 lb overweight. I'm not talking about those people, or even people with PCOS in general. I'm talking about Whitney Thore, who is on television and shown to eat banana and mayonnaise sandwiches on Wonderbread for breakfast (last season). Who is self-described as eating a ton of bread, pasta, and pizza. SHE is eating everything she wants, and that's who I am talking about. PCOS just puts a shitty circumstance on top of her shitty decisions.

[Snarklepuss]

ClareWalks, I get what you're saying bit my point is it wouldn't take her eating tons of bread, pasta and pizza for her to get that heavy.  She probably would have gotten that heavy eating what other people consider "diet" food.  I know, because I have insulin resistance and probably a genetic predisposition and I actually GAIN weight even religiously following Weight Watchers and other diets that make "normal" people lose weight.  it is extremely difficult to manage one's weight when you have that kind of uphill battle and I don't fault anyone for having difficulty with it.  In my opinion, Whitney's only fault is letting herself get that heavy before buckling down and doing something about it.  But what she'd have to do to lose weight and maintain it is ten times more difficult to achieve and would have to be a lot more rigorous than for people with normal metabolisms.  Diet and exercise is a difficult pill to swallow even to the lesser degree of effort that would work for most normal people let alone for someone with Whitney's issues.  So I'm sorry but I stand by what I said in my post.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[AnJen]

PCOS can make you gain weight, but it doesn't cause you to gain that much weight! 

 

I have PCOS and my heaviest was 310lbs; this was not due to PCOS...it was due to me overeating, not understanding my caloric need vs my caloric intake, and blaming my weight on factors other than my own actions.

 

My sister, who does not have the emotional relationship with food that I have, also has PCOS. She gained 10lbs from it. 

 

The fact of the matter is that even with a "normal" metabolism, Whitney would be just as heavy if she kept up these habits of hers. Studies have shown that metabolism only accounts for a difference of 200-300 calories (meaning you take two people who eat exactly the same and exercise exactly the same, and one is high-metabolism and one is low metabolism...the difference between them is 200-300 calories burned per day.) Is it slightly unfair that the high metabolism person could afford to eat a donut once a week and maintain the same weight as the low metabolism person without any extra exercise? Yeah, I guess. But life's not fair, and we deal with it. Whitney didn't gain 100+lbs in a year, and then more on top of that in later years, because of a low metabolism; she gained it because she eats more calories than she burns.

 

Weight loss with PCOS is also nowhere near as hard as it's made out to be. I have lost 70lbs, and that's with all of the times that I fell off the wagon and wanted to eat loads of junk and not exercise. You don't have to starve, you don't have to go crazy and only eat raw, vegan, sugar-free. You don't have to eat perfectly and never make a mistake. You just have to eat less calories than you burn. That's it. There is no magic secret.

 

At 5'2 and 400lbs, Whitney requires just over 3,000 calories per day just to maintain her weight. If she cut only 500 calories per day (that's the equivalent of cutting back by ONE Starbucks Venti Caramel Frappuccino w/ 2% milk & whipped cream), even without exercising at all, she would lose 1lb per week. Once she got down to a smaller size, it would require another slight cut in calories, but again, only a small adjustment.

 

At that rate of weight loss, she would be at a healthy weight in just over 4 years. 

 

This is 100% completely doable, and millions of us lose the weight and keep it off. Whitney's problem is that she refuses to take responsibility. She wants to be thin, but she doesn't want to stop eating, so she's subscribed to all the false logic put out by the rest of the Fat Acceptance Movement people...that diets fail (true, if you go back to eating way too many calories, you will gain back the weight!! It's almost like physics is a real thing?!), that they aren't capable of changing, that they'll go into "starvation mode" if they restrict their calories (a 400-something pound man once fasted for 382 days to lose the weight. It's not recommended, obviously, but someone Whitney's size is not going to starve to death or gain some kind of "emergency starvation" weight because they're eating at a slight deficit). She's also bought into the logic that you can be healthy while obese, which simply isn't true. You might be healthy for a while at an obese weight, but it will eventually take over your body and begin to shut down. There's a reason that hundreds of diseases share comorbidity with obesity.

 

When Whitney wakes up and realizes she's literally killing herself in order to keep eating the way she wants to, that's when she'll be able to change. And when she decides she actually wants to change, badly enough that she's willing to change her habits, it will be a simple enough process. Changing habits is always hard, but it's not rocket science. This is within her capability to do while she's still young and somewhat mobile and has a support group of people who put up with her obnoxious personality.

Edited September 11, 2015 by AnJen

[OnceSane]

Stick to discussing what happened in the episodes, please.

[Intuition]

The fact of the matter is that even with a "normal" metabolism, Whitney would be just as heavy if she kept up these habits of hers. Studies have shown that metabolism only accounts for a difference of 200-300 calories (meaning you take two people who eat exactly the same and exercise exactly the same, and one is high-metabolism and one is low metabolism...the difference between them is 200-300 calories burned per day.) Is it slightly unfair that the high metabolism person could afford to eat a donut once a week and maintain the same weight as the low metabolism person without any extra exercise? Yeah, I guess. But life's not fair, and we deal with it. Whitney didn't gain 100+lbs in a year, and then more on top of that in later years, because of a low metabolism; she gained it because she eats more calories than she burns.

 

Weight loss with PCOS is also nowhere near as hard as it's made out to be. I have lost 70lbs, and that's with all of the times that I fell off the wagon and wanted to eat loads of junk and not exercise. You don't have to starve, you don't have to go crazy and only eat raw, vegan, sugar-free. You don't have to eat perfectly and never make a mistake. You just have to eat less calories than you burn. That's it. There is no magic secret.

 

I am taking my post on this to the small talk thread.

[monagatuna]

It took me a few minutes to realize what Whitney & Co were talking about when she said she couldn't have coffee anymore. I mean, it's like 5 calories and boosts metabolism and immune function, what's not to like about coffee? Then I realized she was talking about mothereffing frappuccinos. That's not coffee, Whitney, that's slightly-coffee-flavored sugar and ice and milk. In a 20 oz frappuccino we're talking maybe one or two ounces of actual (sweetened) coffee.

 

I never understood the no-carb thing. Does she intend to eat nothing but beef jerky and whole milk? Is she avoiding all fruits and vegetables? I mean, I think we can all agree that vegetables are healthy and low-calorie, but most of them are like 90% water and 10% carb. Is that not okay? Or is she just cutting out processed sugar?

 

I guess it shows how ignorant people are about macros. People who do low-carb right typically load up on unprocessed vegetables, but they understand that those are carbs. It's not all pasta and candy bars. I would love it if she'd stop saying no-carb and start saying something like "dramatic decrease of processed foods and added sugar."

 

I did enjoy the carbo puns, though--carbonara/sayonara, pasta la vista, adios carbos, toodles noodles, "our relationship has gone stale." I got a good laugh out of that.

[ClareWalks]

It took me a few minutes to realize what Whitney & Co were talking about when she said she couldn't have coffee anymore. I mean, it's like 5 calories and boosts metabolism and immune function, what's not to like about coffee? Then I realized she was talking about mothereffing frappuccinos. That's not coffee, Whitney, that's slightly-coffee-flavored sugar and ice and milk. In a 20 oz frappuccino we're talking maybe one or two ounces of actual (sweetened) coffee.

 

I never understood the no-carb thing. Does she intend to eat nothing but beef jerky and whole milk? Is she avoiding all fruits and vegetables? I mean, I think we can all agree that vegetables are healthy and low-calorie, but most of them are like 90% water and 10% carb. Is that not okay? Or is she just cutting out processed sugar?

 

I guess it shows how ignorant people are about macros. People who do low-carb right typically load up on unprocessed vegetables, but they understand that those are carbs. It's not all pasta and candy bars. I would love it if she'd stop saying no-carb and start saying something like "dramatic decrease of processed foods and added sugar."

 

I did enjoy the carbo puns, though--carbonara/sayonara, pasta la vista, adios carbos, toodles noodles, "our relationship has gone stale." I got a good laugh out of that.

 

Agree about cutting out the "carbs." I think most people who say that don't have a single clue what that means. They use it as a catch-all term for "eat healthier." Even whole milk has lactose, so it's clearly hard to avoid carbohydrates, for good reason. Without carbs our muscles lose water (leading to cramps and other problems), our brains turn to mush, and we go into ketosis, which makes us dizzy, cranky, and stinky. Actually STINKY. 

 

When I was in college, the South Beach Diet was a huge thing, so my friends and I tried it (I was already quite thin and didn't care about losing weight, but I was curious). I lost 7 lb in one week...of water weight. I was so weak that I couldn't even go bowling. Said "screw this" and added the carbs back, and gained the weight back in 5 days. 

 

I am glad Whitney is seeing a nutritionist because whatever she has tried has not worked whatsoever. She needs a sustainable plan. Like, one serving of whole-wheat pasta (which is tiny) instead of a giant plate at Olive Garden which is 5 servings plus cream sauce. She doesn't have to give up everything she loves, and hopefully the nutritionist points that out.

[absolutelyido]

It took me a few minutes to realize what Whitney & Co were talking about when she said she couldn't have coffee anymore. I mean, it's like 5 calories and boosts metabolism and immune function, what's not to like about coffee? Then I realized she was talking about mothereffing frappuccinos. That's not coffee, Whitney, that's slightly-coffee-flavored sugar and ice and milk. In a 20 oz frappuccino we're talking maybe one or two ounces of actual (sweetened) coffee.

Whitney's friend said that Whitney's day revolved around getting frappuccinos. I looked up the calories in a Starbucks grande caramel frappuccino made with whole milk and whipped cream topping. It has 480 calories, so two of those in a day and she is at almost 1,000 calories. That's 1,000 calories that Whitney doesn't count because, according to her, she doesn't eat all day until supper time.

 

I really hope that Whitney's dietician is having her log everything she eats and drinks because Whitney has no idea how many calories she is consuming in a day. That's what drives me nuts about her. She attributes her obesity to PCOS and seems to think she has little control over it. I'm sure PCOS is a contributing factor, but her eating habits also have a lot to do with it.

Edited September 16, 2015 by absolutelyido

[Rigoletto22]

I am happy the nutritionist told her not to cut out carbs- that backfires in us bread lovers. People who don't eat breakfast it is because they ate SO much the night before, of course they cannot eat breakfast! I agree the PCOS would make her heavy and hard to lose weight- but 280 not 390! At 390 pounds she could eat 3000 calories a day and lose weight! She does NOT have to do the 1200 a day type diet. What is she eating to maintain 387 pounds? About 4500 calories a day I think (according to the guy on My 600 Pound Life). At this weight all Whitney has to do is cut back a little bit- eat 2500 calories a day and she will lose! I see the PCOS as her excuse. But I do kind of like her spirit. I mean being fat in America is a crime!

[Snarklepuss]

Even at her weight I don't know that she could eat 3,000 calories a day and still lose weight, especially at her height and with her condition, etc., but I agree with the nutritionist that she doesn't have to cut out carbs altogether.  She can choose "slower" carbs and find ways to prepare them that reduce their glycemic load.  For her I think the glycemic index/load is going to be key.  If she can master that she can actually focus less on calories and still lose weight.  But it depends.  I've known of women to give up all added sugar and "white" carbs and on that alone lose 30 pounds.  For me, I only lost 10, which I later gained back even while staying on the diet (can't figure that one out).  So it will depend on her body as to how successful she is - and of course her own efforts to stay on the diet.  In the previews it looks like she's having trouble with it.  I still can't believe that up until pretty recently she was still drinking those high sugar frappucinos.  Honestly, there is no excuse for that.  She has to have known for some time that her sugar was going up and if she didn't that's negligent of her.  I got the impression from this episode that going to the doctor for these kinds of tests is new for her.  Her parents coddle her so much but they couldn't push her to go to the doctor?  Where's anyone's common sense here?

Edited September 16, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[Shibori]

As a PCOS sufferer who struggles with my own weight, this show could do a lot of good if it showed someone doing the "right" things and still struggling, because that happens. And if you're one of those people, TLC could have cameras everywhere to film you 24/7, even if for just a week to show that weight loss rarely follows what the calorie formulas predict- sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. There's still a good story there- I'd argue it's an even a better one. But as ClareWalks said, Whitney is not that girl, and this is not that show. She's a spoiled brat who takes no responsibility for any aspect of her life, not just her weight. Not exactly anyone's role model. I'd argue she's actually making things worse for people with PCOS, because she's fitting the stereotype of the lazy fat girl that eats junk. Another season or two and this will be an episode of my 600 lb. life.

I'm DVR'ing this first ep, but I stopped watching after a few last time, and if this is more of the same, it'll be my last again.

[MsPH]

I don't wish to be mean here, but energy isn't born out of thin air. Otherwise we would've invented a perpetual motion machine by now. Whitney must be eating as much energy as she uses to maintain her weight, and at her weight and activity level it should be well above 3000 kcal. Perhaps slightly less than a person without PCOS, but not huge amounts. So either she's eating massive meals at night or she is indeed drinking frappucinos, sweet tea and other sugary drinks throughout the day. Cutting all carbs is not the solution, cutting needless sugar is. A balanced diet would do wonders.

 

What I don't get is why she waited 3 months and another blood test to really do anything. Did her contract say her lifestyle change must be all caught on cam, so she had to wait until filming started again? If I heard I was almost diabetic I'd be doing a lot more than cutting sweet tea or whatever she said she was doing before the new blood tests. No wonder her dad looks so fed up with her excuses.

 

I'm glad she's not dating Buddy though, because he looks like he's on his way to obesity as well. Definitely not a good influence.

[Dianaofthehunt]

What is this woman's source of employment? Does she live off her parents?
Regarding her pre-diabetic status, I'm interested if she realizes that she needs to lose a sh!tload of weight. Her "fat girl" persona, of which she seems to be proud, is doing her in.

[Shibori]

The "dancing" is just painful to watch. The choreography is crap. It looks like someone doing an impression of a gay male stereotype in the back of a Zumba class.

Who's paying for that house?

Edited September 17, 2015 by Shibori

[notyrmomma]

Who paid for that custom bike from last week ? Tlc?

[Dianaofthehunt]

Oh, Bab's pantyhose at/in the swimming pool! Is this an actual thing some women do?? 
And her wee fish purse! I wonder if it contained her nose plug and goggles. I appreciated Whitney's total mortification at the sight. My own mom mortified me once or twice, if I recall.

[ShaNaeNae]

I'm wondering with the Duggar cancelation if shows that weren't going to be renewed are getting a second chance. This girl would be annoying and uninteresting no matter her weight.

 

I think she was already filming this season before that. I remember hearing about it around the end of the first season early this year.

 

I only want to see Babs. I love Babs.

[missy jo]

all I see is an obnoxious, ungrateful, spoiled, lazy, overgrown kid with an incredibly scripted TLC show that will almost certainly not see 2017. I can count on one hand the times I've seen her discuss anything without braying like a donkey and calling other people "jelly haters." I don't think she's satisfied unless all eyes are on her and the discussion is focused on her issues. It must be exhausting for those around her.

 

Sounds just like "Ruby," who had a show of her own named after her a few years back. I don't recall if it was also on TLC?

 

Both women have this weird thing where they preach fat acceptance, but at the same time are not happy with their weight. I understand it's a conflicted issue.

[notyrmomma]

Both women have this weird thing where they preach fat acceptance, but at the same time are not happy with their weight. I understand it's a conflicted issue.

 

Fat acceptance doesn't always mean the person loves being fat (yes, to some it does).  Fat acceptance is a thing because it sucks when people decide they don't like you just because you are fat (or refuse to give you a job or discriminate in some other way).  It is still very acceptable to be biased against the obese because people justify it as "oh they can just lose weight if they wanted to," or my personal favorite, "their obesity is costing taxpayers money/making healthcare more expensive which is why I can comment on it" (which, as an aside, is a completely bullshit argument, wanna talk expensive? try saving a premature infant or treating aids, we pay for lots of shit that people do to themselves).  Is it cool to not like someone based on their skin color or sexual preference?  Plus, shaming or even pointing out that someone needs to drop a few pounds doesn't help, it actually makes losing weight harder.  Just because some one wants acceptance on the way they look now doesn't mean they aren't trying to change.

[ClareWalks]

 "their obesity is costing taxpayers money/making healthcare more expensive which is why I can comment on it" (which, as an aside, is a completely bullshit argument, wanna talk expensive? try saving a premature infant or treating aids, we pay for lots of shit that people do to themselves). 

 

The AIDS point is somewhat valid (in most cases) but how is a premature infant something people do to themselves? 

 

I really don't have a problem with the fat acceptance movement because there is a lot of rampant size-ism. My concern is if it directly affects me (like people sitting next to me whose fat is smothering my leg) or if their size is so immense that they cannot work and are on government assistance ONLY because of it. You see that a lot on My 600-LB Life and such.

 

Sorry mods, I know this was off-topic! The preemie thing confused me though.

[notyrmomma]

The AIDS point is somewhat valid (in most cases) but how is a premature infant something people do to themselves? 

Sorry mods, I know this was off-topic! The preemie thing confused me though.

Lack of prenatal care, not eating properly, drug use...there's lots of ways to screw up a pregnancy....and sometimes you do everything right and something still goes wrong...JUST LIKE someone can be an ideal body weight and still die of a heart attack. Point is, don`t judge a book by its cover. That's all Whitney and the fat accetance movement is saying.

[Scorpiosunshine]

**oh heck; I forgot that this show aired weeks ago and I'm playing catch-up. I guess there's no issue, lol, sorry.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Scorpiosunshine

[RCharter]

Fat acceptance doesn't always mean the person loves being fat (yes, to some it does).  Fat acceptance is a thing because it sucks when people decide they don't like you just because you are fat (or refuse to give you a job or discriminate in some other way).  It is still very acceptable to be biased against the obese because people justify it as "oh they can just lose weight if they wanted to," or my personal favorite, "their obesity is costing taxpayers money/making healthcare more expensive which is why I can comment on it" (which, as an aside, is a completely bullshit argument, wanna talk expensive? try saving a premature infant or treating aids, we pay for lots of shit that people do to themselves).  Is it cool to not like someone based on their skin color or sexual preference?  Plus, shaming or even pointing out that someone needs to drop a few pounds doesn't help, it actually makes losing weight harder.  Just because some one wants acceptance on the way they look now doesn't mean they aren't trying to change.

I don't think its fair to compare not liking someone because of their weight to not liking someone because of their race or sexual preference.  In most cases a person can lose weight, and in no case can a person change their race or sexual preference.  The very idea that people of the "fat acceptance" movement would in any way, shape or form try to compare their struggles to those who suffer from racism doesn't even seem logical to me.  I ultimately think any comparison to race or sexual preference would turn a lot of people away from any "fat acceptance" movement, because it seems a little insulting to me.

 

It sucks when people decide they don't like you for anything other than your character.  Some people aren't going to like you because of the clothes you wear, some people aren't going to like you because you went to the wrong school, some people aren't going to like you because you like the wrong baseball team.  Sometimes you aren't going to get the job because you didn't go to the right school, or because of the clothes you wear, etc, etc.  Why should fat be some protected category?

 

The fact that other health conditions cost money doesn't detract from the fact that obese people are also a heavy expense of the healthcare system.  Generally due to secondary complications of their obesity.  The complications of obesity are also generally seen as preventable by the patient, which is not the case for premature infants.  An infant can't do anything to prevent themselves from being premature and the treatment is for the child, not the mother.  

Edited October 4, 2015 by RCharter

[ClareWalks]

Agree totally about the AIDS and premature births not being a choice. I acquiesced slightly to that poster about AIDS often being the horrible result of choosing to engage in risky behaviors, but nobody chooses that shit. Being born prematurely is rarely the result of maternal decisions, though, and is NEVER the "fault" of the actual victim (the baby itself). 

 

My problem with the fat acceptance movement is that they are like those people who say horribly offensive things, then claim it's their right to do so, so everyone else has to tolerate it. Which is not true. Yes, you can do what you want (within legalities), but not without social consequences. *Most* obese people are obese because they choose food over their health and appearance. That is a fact. When you make a choice like that, you have to deal with the social consequences, which is that many people won't want to sit next to you on planes, won't want to date you, etc. Telling people "I get to eat myself to 500 lb, and you HAVE to be attracted to me, or you're an asshole," isn't realistic.

[Moionfire]

Why is there so much hatred and vitriole towards overweight people? I have PCOs and am on Prednisone all the time for asthma and sarcoidosis, and I am not a thin girl. PCOS is difficult to manage. I work out and try to be healthy, but the only time ai was ever skinny was when I was extraordinarily ill with the sarcoidosis. Whitney is immature, I am sure she has food issues (who doesn't?), and I can see how her father's attitude can be very destructive to her self-esteem. That is why she is such an attention-seeker. So she's somewhat irritating. But liking pasta and pizza does not make her a bad person.

PCOS can't make you 300+ lbs. It might make you gain 20 pounds over your recommended weight, but that is where it stops. Overweight people that won't acknowledge their caloric intake are the main reason for obesity is what I think many people hate. 

[LibertarianSlut]

It's true that obesity is costing us billions, though. Just because it makes you angry that people bring it up, doesn't mean it's not true. The costs will only increase as obese people age and inevitably suffer from complications related to obesity.

Has Whitney mentioned whether she receives government-subsidized insurance, or some form of Medicaid or Medicare? Do we even know if she has insurance? There are plenty of people her age who just pay out of pocket. That doesn't cost "us" anything. If her parents purchased private health insurance for her, well, her healthcare remains a family, and not a public, expense.

Look, I am all about freedom and personal responsibility. It's Whitney's body, and if she wants to mainline venti iced frappuccinos until she's in a diabetic coma, she's an adult, and that's her right. By the same token, it's no one's moral responsibility to save her. I don't believe it's on Whitney, or other fat people, if the government steps in to save them. That's (to my libertarian sensibilities) the result of flawed government policies, the fault for which lies with politicians and the citizens who continue to vote them into office, not the fat people who accept what's freely being given to them (is it still ok to say "fat people"? Is it less offensive if I say "morbidly obese"? I don't wish to offend anyone).

I wish Whitney all the best with what appears to be an attempt at a low-refined sugar, low-starch diet (like other posters, I hate the term 'low carb,' as fruits and vegetables are made up of carbohydrates). It's the responsible thing to do when someone has to lose 250 some-odd pounds and is pre-diabetic. And since she's on a TV show, it's legitimate for people to comment on how this will affect her health and social life. But until Whitney says from her own mouth that I should kick in some dough for her choices (or her personal random unfortunate health situations, such as PCOS), I'm not going to assert that Whitney has a moral or social responsibility to be healthy or thin. Conversely, if she articulates that she believes that society should pay for her medical costs, I believe she'd also have to accept dietetic accountability to society, which, if you think about it, is a really demoralizing and demeaning way to live.

(Oh, and since I directly quoted you, gimmepizauoldtroll, please don't think I'm trying to attribute a point of view to you. I just selected a few lines from your post that I wanted to expound upon).