S07.E18: Rumble On The Runway

[talula]

Love this video of Sonja's fashion show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GBrleacCvFc

[WireWrap]

The possibility of it being producer driven is a given.  However, I got the impression that Heather recently told Bethenny (exactly when I do not know) what Ramona said and Bethenny just wasn't waiting for the "right" moment to confront Ramona.  Then again, don't the HW's rules include one that says the right time for anything is always in front of the cameras?

 

MCM...........I'll take it anyway I can get it too was loving it too and can't wait to see what happens next week and at the reunion.

Bethenny said Heather told her in T&C the same night they went to that Conch Bar after Ramona interrupted Bethenny/Carole talking to the bar owner. Bethenny left early the next morning and did not see Ramona until her SG party and Bethenny would never disrupt her own party! LOL

 

ETA, Bethenny did see Ramona at Kristen's bedazzle party but said nothing. 

Edited August 5, 2015 by WireWrap

[ryebread]

Fake fur, real fur.  Fur coats, fur vests, fur collars, fur hats, fur handbags.  This episode had it all.  Show some originality, sheeple.

[HunterHunted]

I think Sonja, like Carole, was a fit model, which is someone that designers use to check produced clothing on a regular person. Quite literally, a fit model could be anyone. I guess kadooz to Sonja for actually producing a runway show. But clearly Sonja Morgan Industries International couldn't get their act together to invite buyers. I do love that the editors also showed Elie Tahari's to contrast the level of professionalism.

Sonja's fashion show was chaotic but everyone liked her clothes so I guess it was a success. I wonder if these clothes will be sold in Macy's or on QVC?

You know who could have answered this question? The buyers she didn't invite.

To all of those who voted Ramona as their least favorite, I agree. She is awful and unfortunately she has had her reprehensible behavior reinforced for nearly 60 years. The woman is over half a century old. There is no new her. No renewal. That's not to say that people can't change. They can, but Ramona can't.

Edited August 5, 2015 by HunterHunted

[Petunia13]

Sonja's face is looking very strange on WWHL....aside from the overuse of bronzer. Wonder what she did?

Sonja is looking rough on wwhl

She's starting to look masculine. She always had a "handsome" face but the features are becoming a bit more rugged so to speak.

Jmho. El em en oh pee

[motorcitymom65]

Did anyone else catch Bethenny saying she thought they were to see Sonja's clothing line at that model meeting with Heather, as did Heather? Sounds like both Heather and Bethenny were told it was something other than what it was. I also noticed that Sonja got mad at Heather for what Bethenny said and refused to back off Heather even when Bethenny admitted she said it not Heather. Why do I get the feeling that Sonja was trying to make Heather look bad on purpose and hoped Bethenny would help her do it?!?

Beth said on Twitter that this was literally her favorite scene ever.

She also slapped back at Dorinda on Twitter when she said that Beth needed to let the dress deal go. Something about how everyone makes a mistake. Beth didn't appreciate it.

Edited August 5, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Aunt Kiki]

The possibility of it being producer driven is a given.  However, I got the impression that Heather recently told Bethenny (exactly when I do not know) what Ramona said and Bethenny just wasn't waiting for the "right" moment to confront Ramona.  Then again, don't the HW's rules include one that says the right time for anything is always in front of the cameras?

 

MCM...........I'll take it anyway I can get it too was loving it and can't wait to see what happens next week and at the reunion.

I totally agree.  Given that Production has chopped up (or out) dialogues to suit their purposes, it does beg the question as to when Heather shared that little tidbit with Bethenny - in T&C or some time else?  Since it seemed to be a rather fresh wound for Bethenny and she is not one to let things go, it's not a stretch to see her gunning for Ramona at the show.  I kept on looking at the woman behind them and wondered what she was thinking.

[AnnA]

Bethenny said Heather told her in T&C the same night they went to that Conch Bar after Ramona interrupted Bethenny/Carole talking to the bar owner. Bethenny left early the next morning and did not see Ramona until her SG party and Bethenny would never disrupt her own party! LOL

 

ETA, Bethenny did see Ramona at Kristen's bedazzle party but said nothing. 

 

OK - that makes sense now.  I'm glad Bethenny didn't bring it up at the bedazzle party and agree with you about the SG party.  Why do it at your own party?  Ramona wasn't there very long anyway.  They were sitting together waiting and waiting and waiting for Sonja's fashion show to start.  Why not?

[talula]

So if Lady Morgan really was a model, how come the Bravo editing monkeys aren't inserting a pic or quick video package to substantiate these claims? Or is Sonja being liberal with her lingo and using model as another euphemism for escort--or more plainly, hooker?

That's one rumor I have heard; Sonja used to "keep company" with wealthy Saudis back in the day.

I found these old photos of Sonja. Looks like she was a model.

[Lemons]

So if Lady Morgan really was a model, how come the Bravo editing monkeys aren't inserting a pic or quick video package to substantiate these claims?

 

I think she was a model in that fashion show she did when she was 14 years old.

[Rahul]

Ramona's story about fortuitously running into the owner of Cipriani's is a crock of horse shit. She and Sonja lunch there often enough (and often on camera to boot) that she would know the owner, or at least what he looks like. I'm guessing he'd have to sign all sorts of release forms and paperwork to have his establishment appear on the show. Her desperate attempt to appear like she's completely moved on from Mario continue.

Ramona to Dorinda: You know me. I'm very smart. I'm very bright. [...] one of the reasons why I'm looking so good...

Oh, Ramona. I've never seen so much self praise in the span of a minute. I wonder if that was Ramona's attempt to telegraph some of her perceived virtues to Mario, or if it was more of a self-affirmation/attempt to convince herself she's all that after being left for a younger woman.

Three of Sonja's professional models dropped out due to "bad weather?" Yeah, not buying it. More likely they didn't want peanuts (quite possibly literally) or just a few seconds on Bravo as compensation for working.

Call me a skeptic but I don't think buyers from Macy's, Neiman's or Bloomingdales were in attendance at Sonja's rinkydink independently staged runway show. Kudos to Sonja for having actual dresses, though it seemed like half an hour elapsed between looks #1 and 2.

Loved Bethenny ripping into Ramona, though B should know better than to expect a sincere apology from that witch. Ramona is never actually held accountable for her actions. She deflects by laughing things off and shrugging or turning the tables entirely. How she gets away with it each and every time is beyond me.

[motorcitymom65]

I think there was just a ton of stuff boiling up with Beth about Ramona, and the shit about her having a "new beginnings" party put her over the edge. I was irrationally disgusted about it when I read that would be the season finale party and Ramona has never taken a dress from me. I also think that Beth knows how this shit works, and the season is pretty much over. If she was going to make a fool of Ramona - and I always thought from the very beginning that she eventually would - she didn't have much time to get the job done.

[Lemons]

I loved the way Bethenny handled Ramona tonight, no yelling, crying, completely in control. Ramona wanted to use her old tricks and Bethenny refused to let her get away with it.

 

 

Betheny missed her calling.  She should have been a prosecutor.  She was not going to let Ramona get away with anything.  Ramona is so used to blowing things off when people confront her and getting away with it.  

Ramona's a liar and Betheny knows it. -  You sent an email?  Let me see it.  Re-send it to me.  You'll pay for the dresses?  OK, they cost $500 each, write me a check.  

 

And I loved Betheny not letting it go about the bartender comment.  Ramona was rude and she is 60 years old.  No excuses for that. But Ramona will never flat out apologize.  She will always justify her jaw dropping rudeness.  It makes her so unattractive. 

[Aunt Kiki]

Did you see how Ramona was perspiring? Her face was one greasy mess. She was so busted and she didn't know how to get out of it. Her usual line of "I'm not perfect; no one is perfect" just wasn't working. It was a "wrong place" kind of deal, but I have literally waited years for this. Years for someone to just tell Ramona exactly how ridiculous she is, so I will take it anyway I can get i

Yes!  She had a major makeup meltdown.  I kept waiting for her to bat her eyes (usually done when she lies)  but whatever work she's had done seems to keep things in place.  She pulled out every trick in the book to divert, and nothing worked.  It was pure pleasure tv for me.

[WireWrap]

Ramona's story about fortuitously running into the owner of Cipriani's is a crock of horse shit. She and Sonja lunch there often enough (and often on camera to boot) that she would know the owner, or at least what he looks like. I'm guessing he'd have to sign all sorts of release forms and paperwork to have his establishment appear on the show. Her desperate attempt to appear like she's completely moved on from Mario continue.

Ramona to Dorinda: You know me. I'm very smart. I'm very bright. [...] one of the reasons why I'm looking so good...

Oh, Ramona. I've never seen so much self praise in the span of a minute. I wonder if that was Ramona's attempt to telegraph some of her perceived virtues to Mario, or if it was more of a self-affirmation/attempt to convince herself she's all that after being left for a younger woman.

Three of Sonja's professional models dropped out due to "bad weather?" Yeah, not buying it. More likely they didn't want peanuts (quite possibly literally) or just a few seconds on Bravo as compensation for working.

Call me a skeptic but I don't think buyers from Macy's, Neiman's or Bloomingdales were in attendance at Sonja's rinkydink independently staged runway show. Kudos to Sonja for having actual dresses, though it seemed like half an hour elapsed between looks #1 and 2.

Loved Bethenny ripping into Ramona, though B should know better than to expect a sincere apology from that witch. Ramona is never actually held accountable for her actions. She deflects by laughing things off and shrugging or turning the tables entirely. How she gets away with it each and every time is beyond me.

I loved it when Ramona said something to Dorinda about Mario wanting a different life and making it sound like he wanted to just sit and watch the world go by! Meanwhile he is out dating/hooking up with a younger woman all over NY! LOL 

[ryebread]

I found these old photos of Sonja. Looks like she was a model.

 

She's modeling in those pictures. But I'm not so sure those aren't just pictures she had a pro or semi-pro photographer take for her portfolio in order to try to get some real modeling gigs.  That paid cash dollars.

 

I think Sonja is beautiful but I doubt she was even a moderately successful model.  What's going on at the back of her head in the last photograph?

[islandgal140]

It was a good RHONYC night. Bethenny got Ramona to-gether. Ramona got gathered, collated, read, re-read, ghostwritten, edited and then dumped in the clearance bin. That was a long time coming and I was starved for it so thank you Bethenny. 

 

Kudoz to Sonja for pulling off her line. Her fashions look very wearable but basic, derivative and done before. I don't know if it justifies her price point though but shit Calvin Klein and Kors have been doing it for years. Her backers are sketchy as hell though. How are they not able to answer simple questions? Her models were gorgeous with meat on their bones and lovely hair.

 

All this time I thought Elie Taharie was a woman. LOL!

 

That waiter was super cute.

 

Sonja looks very odd on WWHL. It is not just the bad bronzer and eye makeup either. Something about her face, her nose in particular, is giving me Grandpa Munster vibes, especially in profile.

[Aunt Kiki]

Beth said on Twitter that this was literally her favorite scene ever.

She also slapped back at Dorinda on Twitter when she said that Beth needed to let the dress deal go. Something about how everyone makes a mistake. Beth didn't appreciate it.

Good for Bethenny slapping back Dorinda.  I'm not sure Dorinda would be so forgiving if someone took a $500 dress from her the first time, and a $45 dress the second time and never returned them.  She sure has demonstrated that she has a mean streak.  I'd go one step further and bet Ramona wouldn't be forgiving if someone ripped her off.  IMO she'd hunt the perp down and make them suffer for the rest of their days.

[Rahul]

The Bethenny/Ramona fight was weird. I'm totally on Bethenny's side, but why did she accost her like that at a fashion show? And it all seemed to come out of nowhere. Pent-up anger? Producer driven?

I think Bethenny was genuinely incensed when she learned Ramona was spreading rumors of Bethenny's alleged infedility to her first husband. She was in the middle of divorce proceedings and so I'd imagine she was pretty raw, not to mention that aspersions were being cast on her character. All that can affect the divorce ruling in terms of custody, assets, etc. when a pattern of reckless behavior is established.

Moreover, what better time to corner Ramona when she had nowhere to run and they had plenty of time to kill. I was really glad Bethenny let her have it. That confrontation was long overdue with the endless antics Ramona has been pulling as of late.

However, I thought Bethenny said it was Carole who turned her on to Ramona's talking behind her back, not Heather.

 

I found these old photos of Sonja. Looks like she was a model.

Thanks for the pics. However, I'm such a skeptic that I don't put it past Sonja to have hired a professional photographer and staged her own unauthorized private photo shoot wearing designer clothes. I know folks who have done that, though mainly for their own vanity.

[zoeysmom]

Beth said on Twitter that this was literally her favorite scene ever.

She also slapped back at Dorinda on Twitter when she said that Beth needed to let the dress deal go. Something about how everyone makes a mistake. Beth didn't appreciate it.

I believe Dorinda's tweet was first off nice saying something like, "we really shouldn't discuss our pasts, bc we have all made mistakes.  The past needs to stay there."  Bethenny replied, "I didn't make any such mistake but thank you Dorinda."

 

For a very long time it was said Bethenny  left her ex and began dating someone in the wedding party.  I do believe Bethenny went so far as to whine that her first husband's family dropped her after she began dating her husband's friend.

Edited August 5, 2015 by zoeysmom

[motorcitymom65]

Yes!  She had a major makeup meltdown.  I kept waiting for her to bat her eyes (usually done when she lies)  but whatever work she's had done seems to keep things in place.  She pulled out every trick in the book to divert, and nothing worked.  It was pure pleasure tv for me.

I feel like my life is now complete with this done. I also loved, loved, loved the facial expressions and looks of understanding/shock between Heather and Beth at the deal with the models. Beth was backing Heather up 100% and it was awesome. I will gladly take back anything bad I said about Beth in the beginning, and I said plenty. I might even go as far as to buy a bottle of her shitty booze. I will not drink what I buy because I have tried several and literally spit it back out, but I will buy a bottle to show my appreciation. At this point I am, at least temporarily, Beth's bitch.

[LotusFlower]

Moreover, what better time to corner Ramona when she had nowhere to run and they had plenty of time to kill. I was really glad Bethenny let her have it. That confrontation was long overdue with the endless antics Ramona has been pulling as of

Great point. And great strategy, Bethenny. She had Ramona trapped.

I think there was just a ton of stuff boiling up with Beth about Ramona, and the shit about her having a "new beginnings" party put her over the edge. I was irrationally disgusted about it when I read that would be the season finale party and Ramona has never taken a dress from me.

LOL! And what did Bethenny say the party should be called instead? Old habits? Good one.

They showed a clip of next week's episode on WWHL, and Ramona tries to employ yet another one of her tricks on Bethenny to deflect criticism - turning it around and lecturing the other person. Ramona asks if Bethenny is Jewish or Catholic, and tells her to learn how to forgive. Bethenny doesn't take the bait. Looking forward to it.

[Lemons]

I loved it when Ramona said something to Dorinda about Mario wanting a different life and making it sound like he wanted to just sit and watch the world go by! Meanwhile he is out dating/hooking up with a younger woman all over NY! LOL 

 

That didn't make sense at all.  Did she not realize that Mario's picture is online with women half her age?  Did she think everyone would believe that it was all her decision to be single? 

 

Good luck to her in finding a new man.  As much as she is a snob about not wanting to date a bartender, men are much worse.  60 year old woman are not on their radar if they are rich and successful.  And rich and successful is what she is looking for. 

[AnnA]

I feel like my life is now complete with this done. I also loved, loved, loved the facial expressions and looks of understanding/shock between Heather and Beth at the deal with the models. Beth was backing Heather up 100% and it was awesome.

That scene was THE BEST - Heather said it was making her armpits sweat and Bethenny turned around and banged her head against the wall. I literally laughed out loud.

Even though Ramona behaves so badly all the time, I can't help but think they (producers) were planning this Bethenny - Ramona confrontation all season. Ramona continued her shit-stirring, elitist, twitchy non-apologetic apologies in almost every episode. Does anyone remember an episode in which she didn't say or do something outrageous?

[motorcitymom65]

That scene was THE BEST - Heather said it was making her armpits sweat and Bethenny turned around and banged her head against the wall. I literally laughed out loud.

Even though Ramona behaves so badly all the time, I can't help but think they (producers) were planning this Bethenny - Ramona confrontation all season. Ramona continued her shit-stirring, elitist, twitchy non-apologetic apologies in almost every episode. Does anyone remember an episode in which she didn't say or do something outrageous?

She behaved more horrendously this season than any other, and as others have said in the past, this season was hers to win. She had a built-in sympathy factor coming into the season because of the Mario stuff. Only Ramona could have fucked up so utterly by being herself.

[Portae]

I think Bethenny was genuinely incensed when she learned Ramona was spreading rumors of Bethenny's alleged infedility to her first husband. She was in the middle of divorce proceedings and so I'd imagine she was pretty raw, not to mention that aspersions were being cast on her character. All that can affect the divorce ruling in terms of custody, assets, etc. when a pattern of reckless behavior is established.

 

 

The thing is, though, Jason Hoppy is/was Bethenny's 2nd husband, so I'm assuming that Ramona was referring to Peter Sussman. I assume that if Ramona wanted to throw shade at Bethenny's current situation she would have just said "Jason." I also imagine that Bethenny kept using the phrase "first husband" to make it clear that they were not referencing Jason. 

[Grits]

I don't enjoy watching Bethenny this season.  The whole dress argument is silly.  It wasn't Beth's dress.  Her show had a wardrobe department.  Ramona entertains me.  I think the scenes with Beth and Ramona are set up to get certain information out.  One scene Beth said that Ramona and Mario still lived in the same apartment.  In the scene with Beth and Ramona at the fashion show, Beth and Ramona mention that Jason was a bartender, salesperson, and an actor.  The bickering is soooooo old already.        

[HunterHunted]

She's modeling in those pictures. But I'm not so sure those aren't just pictures she had a pro or semi-pro photographer take for her portfolio in order to try to get some real modeling gigs.  That paid cash dollars.

 

I think Sonja is beautiful but I doubt she was even a moderately successful model.  What's going on at the back of her head in the last photograph?

Sonja's too short to do runway or editorial, especially given her age because in the 80s and 90s editorial work pretty much exclusively hired runway girls. She's not "curvy" enough for swim suit. And if she was catalogue and commercial, there should a lot more photos of her wearing boring basic clothing, not holding Chanel boxes. Sonja's pictures look like the type of pictures that a struggling hustler, like Sonja, would pay for as she's hoping that one of her many opportunities (restaurant hostess, potential trophy wife, actress) bears fruit.

Before she joined RHoA, you could find a ton of pictures of Cynthia Bailey doing runway, catalogue, commercial, and editorial all over the internet. I didn't know her name, but I certainly knew her face.

[talula]

She's modeling in those pictures. But I'm not so sure those aren't just pictures she had a pro or semi-pro photographer take for her portfolio in order to try to get some real modeling gigs.  That paid cash dollars.

 

I think Sonja is beautiful but I doubt she was even a moderately successful model.  What's going on at the back of her head in the last photograph?

I agree, those certainly could have been professional photos for a portfolio. It seems she was a model in Europe, not the U.S. Maybe she was a run way model? After that, in the post I added to her thread, it said she attended FIT for business. If she was making lots of money modelling I don't think she would have come back to NY to attended college. She seems to have a fashion background at the very least which she called upon for her fashion show.

Did Bethenny really heap criticism on LuAnn because she's tall? That was rather worse then Ramona's bar tender statement.

[breezy424]

So many posts about what I was already thinking.

 

Interesting that Gaurav Aggawal is the CEO of Sonja Morgan Enterprises.  Um.  He's more than just a backer.  I don't think it too much of a stretch to say that he's a famewhore.  And it points to Sonja's desperation.  If he's CEO, what does that make you, Sonja?

 

And once again we get to hear about Sonja's designing skills...after all, she went to FIT.  Yeah but she didn't major in fashion design.  She majored in marketing.

 

Like others have already stated, yeah, where are the seats for the buyers from Macys', etc.  Are we really supposed to believe that these buyers were going to accept invitations.  Heather threw some shade and rightfully so.  Sonja is delusional.

 

And so is Ro.  Kuddos to Beth for confronting her.  And really, Ro, how many times did you tell Doris how smart you are? 

[Aunt Kiki]

I believe Dorinda's tweet was first off nice saying something like, "we really shouldn't discuss our pasts, bc we have all made mistakes.  The past needs to stay there."  Bethenny replied, "I didn't make any such mistake but thank you Dorinda."

 

For a very long time it was said Bethenny  left her ex and began dating someone in the wedding party.  I do believe Bethenny went so far as to whine that her first husband's family dropped her after she began dating her husband's friend.

Thanks for providing the context of the tweet - I don't do Twitter.   I'm still glad Bethenny shut her down. 

I read the same speculations about Bethenny's first marriage as well.  I believe the marriage lasted only a few months and she filed for divorce. 

[zoeysmom]

I guess I can't understand why Heather broke out into a sweat.  It seemed to me the question would only be a lose/lose situation.  If the guy said Halston Heritage, she and Bethenny would be making cracks abut how she was comparing herself to Halston.  If he said Calvin Klein there would be reasons why it didn't work. If the said shit on the bottom of my shoes department, they would say she was overpriced for the shit department.  Bottom line is this collection was destined for on-line only.  Safest thing is to answer the way he did. Heather's brand goes in the shapewear, exercise or jean department.  Bethenny's swill goes in the pre-made cocktail department, or vodka or wine.  There was no reason for the question to begin with Heather. . . hates Sonja and just delights in one upping her.  More power to her.  Heather sits so much higher when she puts others down.  I don't know why Sonja invites her except Heather whined like a big baby when Bethenny was selected over her.

[Rahul]

She behaved more horrendously this season than any other, and as others have said in the past, this season was hers to win. She had a built-in sympathy factor coming into the season because of the Mario stuff. Only Ramona could have fucked up so utterly by being herself.

I don't know that Ramona behaved any more horridly than in seasons prior. I can't think of a single season where she wasn't a complete raging bitch at one time or another. Moments that come to mind are her meltdown out at Simon's presence at Jill's ladies night dinner party, calling LuAnns husband an old man with a teenage Victoria sitting right there, her combination of entitlement and disgust with her Berkshires accommodations (actually, Ramona in pretty much every Housewives trip she's ever been on), etc.

However, I do agree that this could have easily been Ramona's season to rehabilitate her image. It looked like she was set to do a whole redemption arc early on in the season starting with a "heartfelt" apology Luann for remarks she made about the dissolution of her marriage, but it wasn't long before Ramona reverted back to her nasty old self. LuAnn was totally right to be suspicious!

[Former Nun]

However, I do agree that this could have easily been Ramona's season to rehabilitate her image.

 

Someone switched her filter to OFF and no one knows how to get it to work.

[Rahul]

Am I the only one who doesn't know the difference between an Armani figure and a Versace body?

[swankie]

I enjoyed the show until the Ramona/Bethenny bickering.  Stupid place (as always) to have a "discussion" like that.  

 

They had to do something to pass the time.  Sonja's show started late and then had a huge gap in between the first and second looks.

[Mrs peel]

I guess I can't understand why Heather broke out into a sweat.  It seemed to me the question would only be a lose/lose situation.  If the guy said Halston Heritage, she and Bethenny would be making cracks abut how she was comparing herself to Halston.  If he said Calvin Klein there would be reasons why it didn't work. If the said shit on the bottom of my shoes department, they would say she was overpriced for the shit department.  Bottom line is this collection was destined for on-line only.  Safest thing is to answer the way he did. Heather's brand goes in the shapewear, exercise or jean department.  Bethenny's swill goes in the pre-made cocktail department, or vodka or wine.  There was no reason for the question to begin with Heather. . . hates Sonja and just delights in one upping her.  More power to her.  Heather sits so much higher when she puts others down.  I don't know why Sonja invites her except Heather whined like a big baby when Bethenny was selected over her.

But earlier the CEO was claiming they were in negotiations to be in department stores, but they couldn't name them. If the pla was always to sell the clothes online, he could have said that.

I found it telling that both Bethenny and Heather thought they were there to see clothes, not models. And Sonja couldn't get her act together to tell them the plan changed - or more likely she didn't care enough (or there was some other screw up she didn't want to acknowledge).

Had Sonja had already chosen the ,model type to see, why was the very first model NOT that type? I strongly suspect the model call was "hi, do you want to be on RHNY?"

I can't help thinking the ladies were just being kind.. Because I thought the fashion show was bad. No idea how she chose what went down when, there was no cohesive look to the models, never mind however long she took between the 2 sets of clothes (shouldn't model 1 have been changing immediately after going back upstairs? I don't understand the timing.)

Ramona's claim that Mario is just and old homebody was hilarious! Or maybe he is at home more now that she is not in his home?? Must be a lot quieter. I thought her hair looked awful in her TH, and something seemed off about her face, her eyes seemed less sunken than, for exa,ple, during lunch with Dorinda. Her hair looked better there though I still think it looked better shorter.

Whoever commented on Bethenny's comment about Luann's height - that was as they were talking about LuAnn having been asked to not cross her legs because the runway was so arrow. I didn't see it as a dig.

Query - since the fashion show was in a completely different location, can Sonja really say she was a part of "Fashion Week?"

[Former Nun]

Or is Sonja being liberal with her lingo and using model as another euphemism for escort--or more plainly, hooker?

 

 

I like the posted photos of Sonja the Model...very pretty--very young.  Perhaps they're pictures taken for her I Think i Can, I think I Can modeling portfolio.  If she'd appeared in many publications, don't you think we'd have been subjected to a montage...several times?

[WireWrap]

I guess I can't understand why Heather broke out into a sweat.  It seemed to me the question would only be a lose/lose situation.  If the guy said Halston Heritage, she and Bethenny would be making cracks abut how she was comparing herself to Halston.  If he said Calvin Klein there would be reasons why it didn't work. If the said shit on the bottom of my shoes department, they would say she was overpriced for the shit department.  Bottom line is this collection was destined for on-line only.  Safest thing is to answer the way he did. Heather's brand goes in the shapewear, exercise or jean department.  Bethenny's swill goes in the pre-made cocktail department, or vodka or wine.  There was no reason for the question to begin with Heather. . . hates Sonja and just delights in one upping her.  More power to her.  Heather sits so much higher when she puts others down.  I don't know why Sonja invites her except Heather whined like a big baby when Bethenny was selected over her.

IMO, Sonja invited Heather in hopes that she and Bethenny would/could make Heather look like a fool. It was pay back in Sonja's mind because Heather called her out during TO gate.  It's simple IMO, if you don't want or need the help/advice then don't ask for someone to "help" you, if you want their help/advice then give honest answers. Heather was not the one playing games in that meeting, that was Sonja and her "team" and that is why there were no real "buyers" at her Fashion Show and why it is ONLY sold on Sonja's website.

[LilaFowler]

When Ramona said that Mario told her that he wanted to "drop out or something," I think he probably meant their social life, both in the Hamptons and in NYC.  Maybe he's just over all of that.  Certainly seems to enjoy roaming around town with his young girlfriends.  I don't think he's at home in a cardigan watching Hannity every night, Ramona.

[motorcitymom65]

I guess I can't understand why Heather broke out into a sweat.  It seemed to me the question would only be a lose/lose situation.  If the guy said Halston Heritage, she and Bethenny would be making cracks abut how she was comparing herself to Halston.  If he said Calvin Klein there would be reasons why it didn't work. If the said shit on the bottom of my shoes department, they would say she was overpriced for the shit department.  Bottom line is this collection was destined for on-line only.  Safest thing is to answer the way he did. Heather's brand goes in the shapewear, exercise or jean department.  Bethenny's swill goes in the pre-made cocktail department, or vodka or wine.  There was no reason for the question to begin with Heather. . . hates Sonja and just delights in one upping her.  More power to her.  Heather sits so much higher when she puts others down.  I don't know why Sonja invites her except Heather whined like a big baby when Bethenny was selected over her.

It's destined to be a huge fail as well, but I think Heather and Beth were playing along and not verbalizing what they both thought.

I think you are right about it being an on-line enterprise, but I'm not sure Sonja thought that. She talked to Beth about all the stores they were going to get into, and certainly she acted like she thought some buyers from those stores might come to her show. She was the one who was acting like she was going to have space at some upscale retailers. I know nothing about fashion, but do basically the same thing except with food. I've been involved with many unique food launches over the years, and the first question we always have to ask is where will the product sit? Who is our target market and what are the brands they are shopping for. There are competitive products I desperately want to be near, and others I am horrified to find one of my brands sitting beside. This is just basic marketing 101. Heather hadn't seen her clothes, save for the one garmet Sonja wore in an earlier show, and for all we know had zero idea what the price point even was. The fact that her "team" is unprepared for such a basic question - a question that Sonja herself said "everyone keeps asking me" tells me that they have no idea what they are doing.

[Mint Julep]

Did I hear Bethenny say that she personally knew Mario's concubine?

[Rahul]

Query - since the fashion show was in a completely different location, can Sonja really say she was a part of "Fashion Week?"

In Sonja's deluded mind, a resounding yes. I wonder if this event even took place during the actual fashion week. I bet half those seats were paid extras and seat fillers that Bravo hired.

Can someone please place an order for some Sonja Morgan 'couture?' I'm curious if Sonja has actually had any of these pieces manufactured. My guess is that all orders will be cancelled after a few weeks or on backorder indefinitely "due to overwhelming demand."

[swankie]

So if Lady Morgan really was a model, how come the Bravo editing monkeys aren't inserting a pic or quick video package to substantiate these claims?

 

 

Sonja's IMDB page states that she modeled in California, Colorado, Italy and France.  Her height is listed as 5' 7" which is kind of short to be a high fashion model unless your name is Kate Moss but I guess she did manage to book print ads.  Who knew?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2015 by swankie

[Rahul]

Who is our target market and what are the brands they are shopping for. There are competitive products I desperately want to be near, and others I am horrified to find one of my brands sitting beside. This is just basic marketing 101. Heather hadn't seen her clothes, save for the one garmet Sonja wore in an earlier show, and for all we know had zero idea what the price point even was. The fact that her "team" is unprepared for such a basic question - a question that Sonja herself said "everyone keeps asking me" tells me that they have no idea what they are doing.

I didn't think Sonja's shady CEO was necessarily unprepared for Bethenny's pointed questions. I thought Garav was being deliberately circuitous so he did not have to admit the embarrassing fact that not one retailer wanted to feature Sonja's sad homespun garments in their store.

[lasandi]

OK - that makes sense now.  I'm glad Bethenny didn't bring it up at the bedazzle party and agree with you about the SG party.  Why do it at your own party?  Ramona wasn't there very long anyway.  They were sitting together waiting and waiting and waiting for Sonja's fashion show to start.  Why not?

I think maybe Beth brought it up when she did because Ramona was inviting them to her "New Beginnings" party and Beth had to let it rip because no way has Ramona changed....same beyotch, different year.

[breezy424]

I guess I can't understand why Heather broke out into a sweat.  It seemed to me the question would only be a lose/lose situation.  If the guy said Halston Heritage, she and Bethenny would be making cracks abut how she was comparing herself to Halston.  If he said Calvin Klein there would be reasons why it didn't work. If the said shit on the bottom of my shoes department, they would say she was overpriced for the shit department.  Bottom line is this collection was destined for on-line only.  Safest thing is to answer the way he did. Heather's brand goes in the shapewear, exercise or jean department.  Bethenny's swill goes in the pre-made cocktail department, or vodka or wine.  There was no reason for the question to begin with Heather. . . hates Sonja and just delights in one upping her.  More power to her.  Heather sits so much higher when she puts others down.  I don't know why Sonja invites her except Heather whined like a big baby when Bethenny was selected over her.

If you're going to say that Heather feels that she sits so much higher when she puts others down, then include Beth because she tagged right on to Heather with the Moe, Larry and Curly question.  BTW, I don't think the question had anything to do with an attempt to one up Sonja or to put her down.  It had to to do with being asked to be there to help and not understanding why they were there when they weren't even allowed to see the garments.  And, you don't have to be the sharpest tool in the shed to understand Sonja and her 'backers' last minute motive not to show Beth and Heather the garments.  When you're unsure, don't give others a chance to possibly criticize.  The outcome made Sonja and her 'backers' look like the insecure ones, not Heather or Beth.

 

When did Heather whine like a big baby?

[Rahul]

Sonja's IMDB page states that she modeled in California, Colorado, Italy and France. Her height is listed as 5' 7" which is kind of short to be a high fashion model unless your name is Kate Moss but I guess she did manage to book print ads. Who knew?!

http://sonja.jcgraphicdesign.net/wp-content/oqey_gallery/galleries/modeling/galimg/modeling002.jpg

Firstly, anyone with Internet access can submit or edit info on IMDb much like Wikipedia.

Second, I could gel my hair back, hold a box of cologne or perfume and take a snap too, but that doesn't make me a model. (I was approached by modeling scouts in my early twenties in NYC several times but I was far too self conscious to even consider it seriously.)

Actually, that Chanel shot is the most suspect of the bunch. An actual perfume ad wouldn't be so on the nose with the model holding a the product. Moreover, the uniquely shaped bottle housing the scent would be on display, not some generic looking black packaging.

It appears Sonja took that picture for her portfolio to demonstrate that she could work for a high end brand to potential employers.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Rahul

[SCS]

Can someone please place an order for some Sonja Morgan 'couture?'

I would--but I maxed out the Visa on Alexis Couture. Sigh, tis a struggle to remain a fashionista....

[anonymiss]

I don't like seeing someone get badgered, but if anyone had it coming....

 

Even before that scene, Bethenny's lines were all zingers for me, very Season 3 Bethenny. She's at her best genuinely pissed off (i.e., from something that affects her real life) and at a fashion show, it seems. This time instead of LuAnn being read for filth, it was Ramona. 

 

It's understandable the dresses would be brought up again because 1. It was a fashion show so the reminder is ever present 2. Whenever a major wrong has been committed, it's natural that the offender's past offences are re-examined and can become magnified.

 

I agree Ramona is tedious to watch. No one cares that she's in heat--or pretending to be for Mario's sake. (Isn't that Sonja's schtick although it's definitely genuine and evolving now too.) Even easy, breezy, beautiful (but bland) Kristen wasn't as boring this episode.

 

LuAnn's ensemble was the only one I really wanted.