X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)

[bmoore4026]

Demented Daisy, on 18 Apr 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

IMO -- and IMO only -- yes.  It's not going to happen.  Even if this movie underperforms, they would hold on to the rights for, I believe, at least 4 years before they would have to either give up the rights or renegotiate -- assuming they made no X movies in that time frame.  

 

After the success of Deadpool, Fox won't give up the X rights for anything, I suspect.  They are going to want X characters in their Deadpool movies and (possibly) vice versa.  

 

I like the X movies and am happy to support them.  I'm really looking forward to seeing this.

 

Really, it's less about them showing up in Marvel movies for me.  I want them to get love in terms of games and the comics again.  I hate that they're being phased out.

[Demented Daisy]

Really, it's less about them showing up in Marvel movies for me.  I want them to get love in terms of games and the comics again.  I hate that they're being phased out.

 

I feel the same way, but that's why I want the X movies to succeed.  If Disney/Marvel is smart, they'll realize that by holding on to the licenses (for example) and phasing out the X brand, all they're doing is losing money.    The X comics are still among their highest sellers.  

 

But I suspect that, for Disney at least, the only thing the comics are good for is promoting their movies.  Since the X comics don't do that, Disney doesn't care about them.

 

Someone is being very petty in all of this and, IMO, it ain't Fox.  (It also doesn't help that Fox still owns the distribution rights to Star Wars: A New Hope; they'll have the distribution rights for the rest of the original trilogy and the prequels until 2020.)

[OakGoblinFly]

CinemaCon X-MEN: APOCALYPSE Footage Clears Up Mystique’s Role

She's the sensei.

 

Are they actively trying to get me to NOT see this film??  

[JessePinkman]

The X-Men films are just so...middling. Not as bad as what DC is doing, not as good as most of what Marvel does. They're just sort of there, this group has the most interesting premise of any superhero team and they've made some of the most budget looking TV movie bullshit stuff I've ever seen on the big screen.

 

I bet Mystique dies, only because Jennifer Lawrence said she'd be happy to come back. They wanna throw us off because you know she doesn't want to really do this shit anymore.

[Dandesun]

Mystique can live... but only if she meets a blind, older, opera singer during the movie and ditches Charles and the rest to go off and be with her. She can even start doubting Charles' dream again to set her leaving and they have to show the two ladies in a stinger tag talking about adoption.

 

Otherwise? No.

[Demented Daisy]

Pretty cool.

 

[nobodyyoucare]

I like these nice little story background tidbits they do for the x-men movies. here we see what some of what Apoc was doing through the centuries http://www.xmenmovies.com/apocalypse-timeline/

[SeanC]

The final trailer:

 

 

The effects look great.  And for those complaining that Wolverine was not in it, here he is -- that's bait the schmucks, even though it's just a cameo.

[AimingforYoko]

So Magneto is Quicksilver's dad? I thought they decided against that? Or was that the MCU's Quicksilver?

Edited April 25, 2016 by AimingforYoko

[Morrigan2575]

MCU's Quicksilver can't mention Mutants or Magneto

 

Huh, I really, really thought they were going to skip Wolverine in this movie...damn.

[Dandesun]

Okay... so, Magneto talking about burying his family... are they going to bring Magda and Anya into play? Because they were major, major story points for a long time. They've been forgotten in recent decades because they made Pietro and Wanda far more important to Magnus' world and then they added Lorna, too, but Magda and Anya were the character points for a long, long time. It would actually be pretty cool if they managed to meld those together more closely with Pietro here.

 

(Wanda clearly doesn't exists in the X-Men universe but that's fine. She was always more closely aligned with the Avengers anyway. Pietro crossed over far more and has been, since the 90s, more tied to the X-Universe.)

[jellysalmon]

Have any of the trailers shown Sophie Turner speaking? Her acting is a bit hit-or-miss on GoT and i'm wondering if the studio is hiding something. Although that being said, Storm, Psylocke and Angel have had any spoken lines either.

[Craphole Island]

So excited for this.

[nobodyyoucare]

Have any of the trailers shown Sophie Turner speaking? Her acting is a bit hit-or-miss on GoT and i'm wondering if the studio is hiding something. Although that being said, Storm, Psylocke and Angel have had any spoken lines either.

Yes one of the early trailers did show her speaking.

[SeanC]

Have any of the trailers shown Sophie Turner speaking? Her acting is a bit hit-or-miss on GoT and i'm wondering if the studio is hiding something. Although that being said, Storm, Psylocke and Angel have had any spoken lines either.

She had the very first lines in the film's first trailer.

[OakGoblinFly]

The final trailer:

 

 

The effects look great.  And for those complaining that Wolverine was not in it, here he is -- that's bait the schmucks, even though it's just a cameo.

 

 

So Mystique is not only recruiting new mutants into the ranks, she’s training them, planning battles, and giving motivational speeches – alrighty then.

MCU's Quicksilver can't mention Mutants or Magneto

 

Huh, I really, really thought they were going to skip Wolverine in this movie...damn.

 

 

I'd take Wolverine over Mystique (I do not like what this round of movies is doing to her characterization).

[VCRTracking]

I loved Mystique's "WHAT?" when Quicksilver said Magneto was his dad!

Edited April 25, 2016 by VCRTracking

[SeanC]

The runtime for this film was just released: 135 minutes, or 1 minute longer than X2, which makes it the longest X-Men film to date.

[blackwing]

I enjoyed the final trailer for the most part.  Very much looking forward to seeing the sensational Olivia Munn as Psylocke.  I'm also looking forward to seeing how Storm is treated.  I thought the reason why Halle Berry Storm was so minimalised in original X-Men and X2 ("do you what happens to a toad when it is struck by lightning"... one of the all time worst movie lines ever) was because Bryan Singer hated the character of Storm.  So now Storm is back, and looks fairly powerful, so what gives?  Did he have a change of heart about the character?

 

Unfortunately, I feel like this trailer perfectly captures the overexposure that is Jennifer Lawrence.  In First Class, she was still fairly unknown, and as a result, she was blue for the entire movie (I think she might have had one brief scene as herself?)  This one, she appears to look like Jennifer Lawrence more often than not.  So ridiculous.  Mystique was never a powerful leader of the X-Men, that others looked to for training and leadership.  Now, because The Great Jennifer Lawrence plays her, she's suddenly the bomb?  My eyes couldn't roll back into my head far enough when I was listening to her give her "Braveheart" inspirational speech.  It was like listening to Katniss Everdeen in Mockingjay trying to motivate the other rebels.

[Demented Daisy]

Woo hoo!  Can't wait for this one.  

[Dandesun]

Singer hates Storm? Fuck that guy.

 

I don't even understand that. "Storm sucks... but Mystique is awesome once we change everything about her, that is."

[stealinghome]

That's how Singer feels about just about all the characters who aren't Professor X, Magneto, and Wolverine, though. It's not just Storm and Mystique!

[SeanC]

On 4/25/2016 at 4:52 PM, blackwing said:

I enjoyed the final trailer for the most part.  Very much looking forward to seeing the sensational Olivia Munn as Psylocke.  I'm also looking forward to seeing how Storm is treated.  I thought the reason why Halle Berry Storm was so minimalised in original X-Men and X2 ("do you what happens to a toad when it is struck by lightning"... one of the all time worst movie lines ever) was because Bryan Singer hated the character of Storm. 

 

On 4/25/2016 at 8:22 PM, Dandesun said:

Singer hates Storm? 

No, Singer does not hate Storm.  That was just an accusation lobbed by fans unhappy with the character's portrayal.

Mystique is, in the movie canon, a veteran combatant with 20 years' experience.  With Professor X incapacitated, she and Beast are the only veterans remaining.  Her being a leader and mentor is thus logical, and a culmination of her character arc in the previous movies, which was about trying to find her place between the ideologies of Xavier and Magneto.

[Bruinsfan]

As much as I love Oscar Isaac, his scenes in the trailers are giving me a very bad Lee-Pace-in-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy feeling. Like he's compensating for the costume/prosthetics not letting him move his head or have expressions by giving the most clichéd, overblown vocal performance possible.

[SeanC]

11 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

As much as I love Oscar Isaac, his scenes in the trailers are giving me a very bad Lee-Pace-in-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy feeling. Like he's compensating for the costume/prosthetics not letting him move his head or have expressions by giving the most clichéd, overblown vocal performance possible.

It's certainly grandiose at points, but that fits the character.  If anything, a lot of his dialogue is underplaying Apocalypse compared to how he usually is.

[benteen]

2 hours ago, SeanC said:

No, Singer does not hate Storm.  That was just an accusation lobbed by fans unhappy with the character's portrayal.

Mystique is, in the movie canon, a veteran combatant with 20 years' experience.  With Professor X incapacitated, she and Beast are the only veterans remaining.  Her being a leader and mentor is thus logical, and a culmination of her character arc in the previous movies, which was about trying to find her place between the ideologies of Xavier and Magneto.

He might not hate Storm but he's failed to bring a truly great character to her to life on-screen.  There are two true leaders of the X-Men and none of them are named Wolverine.  They're Cyclops and Storm and to date, they've been let down in these movies.

[SeanC]

11 minutes ago, benteen said:

He might not hate Storm but he's failed to bring a truly great character to her to life on-screen.  There are two true leaders of the X-Men and none of them are named Wolverine.  They're Cyclops and Storm and to date, they've been let down in these movies.

I agree that Storm's presentation in the first two Singer films was underwhelming, not aided by Halle Berry's uninteresting performance, but saying he hates the character based on that is unfair.  And it should be noted, Wolverine was not the X-Men team leader in Singer's films.

In Cyclops' case, he was also underserved by X2.  It sounds like Singer envisioned him as having a much bigger role in his X3, but that obviously never happened.

[VCRTracking]

I was notified that a post was given "reputation" and was like "What does that mean?" I had to check to see it's just another way of saying it was liked!

Anyway I find it hilarious that the characters from First Class haven't aged at all in 20 years!

[Demented Daisy]

4 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

As much as I love Oscar Isaac, his scenes in the trailers are giving me a very bad Lee-Pace-in-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy feeling. Like he's compensating for the costume/prosthetics not letting him move his head or have expressions by giving the most clichéd, overblown vocal performance possible.

I saw an interview somewhere (dammit, where did I put that?) in which Singer explains that they're doing some sound gymnastics with his voice.  It's supposed to be like a "legion" of voices, or something like that.

[spaulding]

I'm tired of Singer's love of Mystique.  DOFP was about how the future was dependent on Sad Raven being less sad.  Now, it looks like the Mystique show.  Ugh, where's Cherik? 

Wolvie's back.  If he sees a young Jean Grey, maybe he'll stop his obsession with her.  It's going to be squicky.

[Demented Daisy]

 

[SeanC]

The screenings for critics are this Friday, and the embargo is being lifted on the following Monday, so clearly FOX is very optimistic about the film's critical reception.

[Demented Daisy]

I saw Civil War yesterday and now I'm even more pumped for this movie.  Why?  Superpowers!  I am so tired of seeing constant hand-to-hand combat.  I want to see some super-powered people using those powers!

[MadyGirl1987]

Entertainment Weekly review;http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/09/x-men-apocalypse-ew-review

[Traveller519]

On 4/27/2016 at 11:20 AM, SeanC said:

I agree that Storm's presentation in the first two Singer films was underwhelming, not aided by Halle Berry's uninteresting performance, but saying he hates the character based on that is unfair.  And it should be noted, Wolverine was not the X-Men team leader in Singer's films.

In Cyclops' case, he was also underserved by X2.  It sounds like Singer envisioned him as having a much bigger role in his X3, but that obviously never happened.

I felt like in X2 they tried to give the Storm character opportunities to display leadership. Her interactions with Nightcrawler and leading the evacuation in the midst of Cyclops' trauma was evidence of that. But Halle Berry really didn't seem to want to run with that. I'm pretty sure her first scenes shot were the ones at the Mansion in X-men. She seemed genuinely pleased there, both before and after all the action. Everything else in the series was show up and collect a  paycheque type roles.

I got the impression that Singer and Marsden had ideas for how to use Cyclops. In the commentary for X2 they talk about how Marsden came up with the fight sequence in the prison when the guard keeps him from being able to activate his visor. However, there was obviously studio notes that were meant for him to be the preppy foil to Wolverine. The N*Sync CD in his RX-7 in X2 being the most egregious example.

[JessePinkman]

2 hours ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

Entertainment Weekly review;http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/09/x-men-apocalypse-ew-review

I don't understand why FOX let the critics review so early...they certainly can't think it's that good?

 

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The familiar faces are all back too. But for how much longer is anyone’s guess judging from the general expression of tedium creeping across the faces of Jennifer “Mystique” Lawrence...

You mean her expression in the last two Hunger Games movies?

[ShadowHunter]

The new Quicksilver scene seems to be a hit many fans online said it stole the movie again. A few tweets even said his scene was the only reason to  buy a ticket lol.

Variety even said  it’s Peters who emerges as the cast standout.

[MadyGirl1987]

11 minutes ago, JessePinkman said:

I don't understand why FOX let the critics review so early...they certainly can't think it's that good?

I was wondering why so early as well. EW usually will have the review a couple of days before the release. Maybe they are trying to drum up attention now Civil War is out? I noticed a lot of TV spots for Apocalypse this weekend...

[JessePinkman]

24 minutes ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

I was wondering why so early as well. EW usually will have the review a couple of days before the release. Maybe they are trying to drum up attention now Civil War is out? I noticed a lot of TV spots for Apocalypse this weekend...

I assume it's a reaction to the stellar reviews that CW got and how that seemed to work well for it's box office but uh...there's no way anyone thought this movie was that good.

I read that the women of color in the movie get about 10 lines of dialogue combined. I just don't understand how they've fucked up the X-Men this badly...

47% Rotten

Edited May 10, 2016 by JessePinkman

[stealinghome]

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I read that the women of color in the movie get about 10 lines of dialogue combined. I just don't understand how they've fucked up the X-Men this badly...

I think the problem is that the people involved with the movies get the general metaphor of "mutants=oppressed minority," but don't really get the characters or team. So the farther the movies go away from the core metaphor, the worse they get. The best X-movies have stuck closer to that idea. When they move away from it....

[Morrigan2575]

6 hours ago, ShadowHunter said:

The new Quicksilver scene seems to be a hit many fans online said it stole the movie again. A few tweets even said his scene was the only reason to  buy a ticket lol.

Variety even said  it’s Peters who emerges as the cast standout.

Huh, i do not get the love for this version of Quicksilver. I thought that scene in DoFP was horribly cheesy. I never got why people proclaimed it best scene eva!

[Demented Daisy]

This is why I don't like reading reviews:

http://mashable.com/2016/05/09/x-men-apocalypse-review/#vcioR3wNTaqw

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Point being, this is a series that has reveled in campy nonsense more than once — and more than once, it's been terrible at that. One guy shoots red laser beams out of his eyes, because evolution. Another looks like a demon-elf and teleports around in puffs of smoke. The mutant that runs really, really fast (that's his power) wears a Rush T-shirt. Obviously.

"Campy nonsense".  Mutant powers are "campy nonsense".  I don't even know how to respond to that.  I could point out all the other characters in other comic book movies that are just as ludicrous as a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes, but I'm really trying not to do that.  I do my best to compare the X-movies to other X-movies, MCU to MCU, and DC to DC because none of those universes should be the same.  I don't want every comic book movie to look like the others.  I want to see different flavors.  

I'm still seeing it opening weekend, no matter the reviews.

[benteen]

I'm disappointed by the reviews but I'm still seeing it too. 

[OakGoblinFly]

6 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Huh, i do not get the love for this version of Quicksilver. I thought that scene in DoFP was horribly cheesy. I never got why people proclaimed it best scene eva!

The running sequence at the Pentagon?  While it was heavy on the cheese, I thought it was visually stunning (and the only thing I liked about Days of Future Past).

[ShadowHunter]

I liked the Pentagon sequence in DOFP but I can understand why some would think it was silly. I  am glad the new one is a hit so far I look forward to it. 

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, OakGoblinFly said:

The running sequence at the Pentagon?  While it was heavy on the cheese, I thought it was visually stunning (and the only thing I liked about Days of Future Past).

Yeah, that's the scene. I heard so many rave reviews about it and when i finally watched the movie on Cable i didn't get all the fuss.

It didn't look visually stunning or cool or anything other than campy/cheesy to me.  

[Sakura12]

I can't really blame Lawrence for Mystique's increased screentime. She obviously wants out, but she signed that contract before she made it big. It's the writers/producers that are milking her name. They could change the focus to any other character, they are choosing to focus on her. 

You can call her overrated if you want, but I think she is one of the better younger actresses (not the best, better) in Hollywood. What I like the most is if she's not doing press for a movie or at award shows, you hear nothing from her. The paps can rarely find her. If she doesn't need to be in the spotlight, she's not. 

[JessePinkman]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

I can't really blame Lawrence for Mystique's increased screentime. She obviously wants out, but she signed that contract before she made it big. It's the writers/producers that are milking her name. They could change the focus to any other character, they are choosing to focus on her. 

You can call her overrated if you want, but I think she is one of the better younger actresses (not the best, better) in Hollywood. What I like the most is if she's not doing press for a movie or at award shows, you hear nothing from her. The paps can rarely find her. If she doesn't need to be in the spotlight, she's not. 

Some days it feels like there are no other younger actresses in Hollywood with her oversaturation of the market. And I like her (as a person, not an actress, she's awful).

But yeah, I totally blame FOX for making so much of the marketing about her. It's such obvious pandering.

[Dandesun]

7 hours ago, Demented Daisy said:

This is why I don't like reading reviews:

http://mashable.com/2016/05/09/x-men-apocalypse-review/#vcioR3wNTaqw

"Campy nonsense".  Mutant powers are "campy nonsense".  I don't even know how to respond to that.  I could point out all the other characters in other comic book movies that are just as ludicrous as a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes, but I'm really trying not to do that.  I do my best to compare the X-movies to other X-movies, MCU to MCU, and DC to DC because none of those universes should be the same.  I don't want every comic book movie to look like the others.  I want to see different flavors.  

I'm still seeing it opening weekend, no matter the reviews.

Is it 2000? I swear to God, I saw the exact same complaints from reviewers back then. "I don't get it! This is stupid! There's a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes and the only explanation for it is 'evolution' or whatever."

Isn't that good enough? Not everyone has to be bitten by a fucking spider! I have never understood why people were so damned confused by it. The X-Men gain their powers through the mutation of their genes... it's spelled out in every. single. fucking. X-movie. Because of this mutation, 'normal' people are really freaked out by them because it can happen to anyone -- as opposed to getting bitten by radioactive spiders or drenched in cosmic waves or building a suit or science experimentation or just toxic waste. That's different and totes okay!

I've rarely been thrilled with Singer's vision of the X-Men (putting it lightly) but they did kick the door open for super-hero movies to work in this millennium and they really did a lot to help the idea that a TEAM movie of super powered people could work. The fact that reviewers have often come across as either mind blisteringly stupid or just flat out not paying attention to the actual movie doesn't help matters at all.

[ShadowHunter]

3 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

I can't really blame Lawrence for Mystique's increased screentime. She obviously wants out, but she signed that contract before she made it big. It's the writers/producers that are milking her name. They could change the focus to any other character, they are choosing to focus on her. 

You can call her overrated if you want, but I think she is one of the better younger actresses (not the best, better) in Hollywood. What I like the most is if she's not doing press for a movie or at award shows, you hear nothing from her. The paps can rarely find her. If she doesn't need to be in the spotlight, she's not. 

You are 100%percent correct  but that doesn't excuse her for not even trying in the movie. I have not heard alot good things so far about her performance.  I don't feel bad she was stuck in a franchise that made money some actors should be so lucky.