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[pau]

3 minutes ago, nilyank said:

God I hated the green wedding. Sami actually looked lovely as the bride but the whole concept was stupid. Since when did Sami or Lucas care that much about the environment. Want to have a green wedding, go to the courthouse and then don't have a reception. Then for their honeymoon? They went to New Orleans to help with cleanup if Katrina. Again that was not Sami or Lucas

As for all the crap that they both did to each other, I did not care about that. What I did care was that tried several times to marry before that and he always left her at the altar. Sometimes it was her fault. Sometimes it wasn't. But Kate kept disrupted their weddings (even the green wedding), and he would take his mother's side over the woman he claimed to love.

when the interactions between Lucas'a mother and Sami was more interesting than their relationship, then I find that to be a problem with the couple.

Sami and Kate were more the 'alpha' couple..Lucas was the sidekick between them in a way..

[Apprentice79]

I do think that too much has happened for Lumi to ever get back together...

[FnkyChkn34]

I've been watching off and on since the 90s, and I never became a fan of Sami and Lucas.  They were both just awful people, if I remember correctly.  Lucas has been redeemed for the most part, but Sami is still pretty evil, IMO.  I don't think someone with that attitude can ever get to the "supercouple" status with anyone.  Bo/Hope, John/Marlena, Steve/Kayla, Kim/Shane, etc. were all, at their core, decent people.  Sami isn't a decent human being.  

[TigerLynx]

45 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I've been watching off and on since the 90s, and I never became a fan of Sami and Lucas.  They were both just awful people, if I remember correctly.  Lucas has been redeemed for the most part, but Sami is still pretty evil, IMO.  I don't think someone with that attitude can ever get to the "supercouple" status with anyone.  Bo/Hope, John/Marlena, Steve/Kayla, Kim/Shane, etc. were all, at their core, decent people.  Sami isn't a decent human being.  

Very few characters on soaps are decent human beings.  Currently, the characters on Days have almost all committed at least a few felonies, including rape, murder, attempted murder, etc.

I don't like what happened to Sami, Kate and Nicole once they started getting involved with Dimeras because they were defanged and despined in the process.

[pau]

59 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I've been watching off and on since the 90s, and I never became a fan of Sami and Lucas.  They were both just awful people, if I remember correctly.  Lucas has been redeemed for the most part, but Sami is still pretty evil, IMO.  I don't think someone with that attitude can ever get to the "supercouple" status with anyone.  Bo/Hope, John/Marlena, Steve/Kayla, Kim/Shane, etc. were all, at their core, decent people.  Sami isn't a decent human being.  

Sami was flawed but most of the time she paid for it and owned in a way what she did and even more importantly was called out for it..Unlike the so called 'nice' characters who are not so nice but are never called out for their double standards/immoral actions..So i don't see why flawed but vulnerable and interesting characters like Sami can't get the supercouple status..maybe not 'supercouple' in the generic sense, manichean 80's sense, outdated sense but in the flawed, layered supercouple she can certainly be part of..imho.

Edited September 7, 2017 by pau

[JBC344]

2 hours ago, pau said:

With Ej's arrival Sami finally could have had an equal partner, mysterious, charismatic, interesting who choose her as his first choice, who accept her..she was finally free of her Austin fixation, free of Lucas abusive dynamic (and yeah he was emotionally abusive at this time)..But nah writers screwed up; they decided Ej should be a new Stephano and used as a prop/interloper for a Sami and Lucas's reunion..and Lucas would become a 'good guy' a la Austin..and Sami a sort of heroine..and then it got even worse with Rafe's arrival..And yet despite all this destructive writing Sami and Ej built a solid fanbase..because the actors were powerful together and some of their scenes showed some serious rooting factor in spite of a total destructive one-note narrative..

I never doubt the chemistry between EJ/Sami or the Ejami fans but the fact is when EJ came to town it was at Stefano's request to seduce and impregnate Sami for stem cells it had nothing to do with wanting her or actual true feelings.  Now those things did develop after the fact but being with Sami originally and desiring her was one big con.

Personally I don't mind Sami and EJ but I prefer Lumi.  My main gripe with the writing was that we barely scratched the surface  of a "earned happy ending" for them or at least a reprieve.  Once Sami and Lucas did settle into being a couple and working all of their stuff out the writers introduced the Colleen/Santo storyline as a way to get EJ and Sami back together because there was no plausible reason for Sami to chose EJ over Lucas at the time.  So as a Lumi fan I feel that we were screwed out of seeing them happy, at least for a little while.

I recognize the fact that EJ and Sami are very much the "same" but to me I never considered that a benefit.  Personally I think that Sami does better with someone who can scheme with her when needed but mostly is there to balance out her extremeness (Lucas, Brandon). 

[TigerLynx]

Alison Sweeney and James Scott had great chemistry, but Ken Corday did not like the couple.

Sami/Lucas, Sami/Brandon and Sami/EJ had a lot of fans, but, Sami ended up being with Rafe longer than anyone partly due to Ken Corday's dislike of Ejami.  I don't think writers should cater to fans, they should write good SLs.  However, I also don't think writers or producers should let their opinions color everything.

I tolerated Rafe when he was with Sami, but he annoyed me to no end when Sami/Rafe split and suddenly after going along with several of Sami's schemes, he starts criticizing her for them.

I also don't see the point in trashing Sami/Lucas, Sami/Rafe, and EJ/Nicole just to turn around and trash Sami/EJ.

Supercouples are fine, but I believe they are one of the reasons soaps aren't as good as they used to be.  The writers on this show seem to be dead set on destroying every supercouple they ever had, while simultaneously refusing to let them have a viable pairing with anyone else.

[pau]

8 hours ago, JBC344 said:

I never doubt the chemistry between EJ/Sami or the Ejami fans but the fact is when EJ came to town it was at Stefano's request to seduce and impregnate Sami for stem cells it had nothing to do with wanting her or actual true feelings.  Now those things did develop after the fact but being with Sami originally and desiring her was one big con.

Personally I don't mind Sami and EJ but I prefer Lumi.  My main gripe with the writing was that we barely scratched the surface  of a "earned happy ending" for them or at least a reprieve.  Once Sami and Lucas did settle into being a couple and working all of their stuff out the writers introduced the Colleen/Santo storyline as a way to get EJ and Sami back together because there was no plausible reason for Sami to chose EJ over Lucas at the time.  So as a Lumi fan I feel that we were screwed out of seeing them happy, at least for a little while.

I recognize the fact that EJ and Sami are very much the "same" but to me I never considered that a benefit.  Personally I think that Sami does better with someone who can scheme with her when needed but mostly is there to balance out her extremeness (Lucas, Brandon). 

Ej came to Salem at Stefano's request but he chose Sami, Stefano only asked him to chose a Brady girl..and Ej chose Sami among all the Brady women ..not Carrie, not Belle, not Stefanie, not Chelsea ect..he chose Sami and to me that matters..and JS played it like he was already infatuated with Sami the first time he saw her..so you could buy the ambivalence, he had a mission as a Stefano Dimera's soldier but was also falling for his target..Sami Brady. It was an interesting/intriguing premise..

And if Sami and Lucas were screwed out of being happy together..imagine for Sami and Ej...The real pairing who was beneficiary of all this mess and bad writing was Sami and Rafe..actually Rafe took Lucas's new 'good guy/redeemed' role..not Ej.

Ej was a prop for Sami/Lucas then for Sami/Rafe and after that he was just destroyed by inane actions with characters not worthy of him..

Ej and Sami were not the 'same' to me, they were equal as characters except when they screwed up too much Ej's character..they were pretty different but also pretty similar and had the same powerful presence and strength.

Edited September 8, 2017 by pau

[DisneyBoy]

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The writers on this show seem to be dead set on destroying every supercouple they ever had, while simultaneously refusing to let them have a viable pairing with anyone else.

Bo/Hope/Aiden come to mind. I think Hope as a character would have been in a much better place right now if the writers had let her continue on a natural trajectory with Aiden, who she actually had chemistry with and who had a lot of potential as a character. Even if she had still shot Stefano, I think it would have been really interesting for Aiden to have to deal with that, considering Chase had killed his wife previously. Would helping protect the truth about Hope from coming out drive Aiden mad? Or would it pull him and Hope closer together? I never saw Aiden as 100% good guy, so I think there was an opportunity there for their relationship to be different than that of Bo and Hope and still be compelling and loving at the same time.

 

 

....provided Dena never wrote in that stupid twist of him working for Stefano.

 

*still singing an old song, I am*

Edited September 7, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[TigerLynx]

18 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Bo/Hope/Aiden come to mind.   I think Hope as a character would have been in a much better place right now if the writers had let her continue on a natural trajectory with Aiden, who she actually had chemistry with and who had a lot of potential as a character. 

I agree.

I think EJ should have been Tony and Renee's son that Tony never knew about, and that Stefano had someone else raise.  They've retconned everything else.  Why not that?  EJ could have been a Dimera.  He could have been sent by Stefano to Salem, but have his own agenda to find out about his parents.  Once they took EJ down the path they did with Sami, they ruined any chance of making them a viable couple, and then they just kept piling on.

I believe characters like Sami, Kate and Nicole can have happy pairings if it's done right.

[pau]

11 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

I agree.

I think EJ should have been Tony and Renee's son that Tony never knew about, and that Stefano had someone else raise.  They've retconned everything else.  Why not that?  EJ could have been a Dimera.  He could have been sent by Stefano to Salem, but have his own agenda to find out about his parents.  Once they took EJ down the path they did with Sami, they ruined any chance of making them a viable couple, and then they just kept piling on.

I believe characters like Sami, Kate and Nicole can have happy pairings if it's done right.

Ej and Sami were still a viable couple to me..and only thanks to the actors playing them..wink wink..

[JBC344]

45 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Bo/Hope/Aiden come to mind. I think Hope as a character would have been in a much better place right now if the writers had let her continue on a natural trajectory with Aiden, who she actually had chemistry with and who had a lot of potential as a character. Even if she had still shot Stefano, I think it would have been really interesting for Aiden to have to deal with that, considering Chase had killed his wife previously. Would helping protect the truth about Hope from coming out drive Aiden mad? Or would it pull him and Hope closer together? I never saw Aiden as 100% good guy, so I think there was an opportunity there for their relationship to be different than that of Bo and Hope and still be compelling and loving at the same time.

 

 

....provided Dena never wrote in that stupid twist of him working for Stefano.

 

*still singing an old song, I am*

I so agree with this.  Even with Bo's eventual death I thought a much better storyline would be Bo dying and Hope confronting her feelings for him while married to a great guy who she also loved.  Navigating that period between Bo dying and being newly married would of been ten times better than what we got.

[Apprentice79]

27 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

I agree.

I think EJ should have been Tony and Renee's son that Tony never knew about, and that Stefano had someone else raise.  They've retconned everything else.  Why not that?  EJ could have been a Dimera.  He could have been sent by Stefano to Salem, but have his own agenda to find out about his parents.  Once they took EJ down the path they did with Sami, they ruined any chance of making them a viable couple, and then they just kept piling on.

I believe characters like Sami, Kate and Nicole can have happy pairings if it's done right.

EJ should have been Tony and Anna's son. Remember they lost their son due to Renee's machinations. EJ would have been connected to Carrie and if EJ plotted against Sami and Lucas, that could have been the story that really united Sami and Carrie as sisters..

[JBC344]

6 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

EJ should have been Tony and Anna's son. Remember they lost their son due to Renee's machinations. EJ would have been connected to Carrie and if EJ plotted against Sami and Lucas, that could have been the story that really united Sami and Carrie as sisters..

I would of been down for that.  It also would of given a different context to that scene of when EJ and Carrie first meet and Carrie swears that she recognizes him from somewhere.  Now the context was that he was Susan's son and that is why Carrie felt a familiarity with him or the idea that her and Mike may have visited Susan and baby EJ sometime in Europe. 

Hell, EJ could of even been Benjy, he works out age wise and that would of even made more sense of Carrie recognizing him considering how close Benjy and Carrie were when they were children.

[FnkyChkn34]

1 hour ago, DisneyBoy said:

Bo/Hope/Aiden come to mind. I think Hope as a character would have been in a much better place right now if the writers had let her continue on a natural trajectory with Aiden, who she actually had chemistry with and who had a lot of potential as a character. Even if she had still shot Stefano, I think it would have been really interesting for Aiden to have to deal with that, considering Chase had killed his wife previously. Would helping protect the truth about Hope from coming out drive Aiden mad? Or would it pull him and Hope closer together? I never saw Aiden as 100% good guy, so I think there was an opportunity there for their relationship to be different than that of Bo and Hope and still be compelling and loving at the same time.

 

 

....provided Dena never wrote in that stupid twist of him working for Stefano.

 

*still singing an old song, I am*

We usually agree, but I have to respectfully disagree with you here.  Not that Hope and Rafe is any great pairing with super chemistry either, but I do prefer them over Hope with Aiden.  Aiden was such a drip - so boring with no personality.  (OK, Rafe is similar too, but Aiden was like watching paint dry, imo.)  I never cared for Chase, either, even before he was a rapist.  They just didn't fit on the show, imo, they were too forced.

29 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I so agree with this.  Even with Bo's eventual death I thought a much better storyline would be Bo dying and Hope confronting her feelings for him while married to a great guy who she also loved.  Navigating that period between Bo dying and being newly married would of been ten times better than what we got.

I do agree that almost anything would have been better than what we got, but I'm obviously not sold on Aiden.

[pau]

16 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I would of been down for that.  It also would of given a different context to that scene of when EJ and Carrie first meet and Carrie swears that she recognizes him from somewhere.  Now the context was that he was Susan's son and that is why Carrie felt a familiarity with him or the idea that her and Mike may have visited Susan and baby EJ sometime in Europe. 

Hell, EJ could of even been Benjy, he works out age wise and that would of even made more sense of Carrie recognizing him considering how close Benjy and Carrie were when they were children.

Thankfully they did not go down this path..one of MAJOR appealing traits of Ej's character was his total disinterest for Carrie..and when Carrie felt a familiarity with him he did not feel the same..ha.

[JBC344]

9 minutes ago, pau said:

Thankfully they did not go down this path..one of MAJOR appealing traits of Ej's character was his total disinterest for Carrie..and when Carrie felt a familiarity with him he did not feel the same..ha.

Well he wouldn't of even remembered Carrie since he was a baby/toddler the last time he saw her.  SORAS notwithstanding. 

[TigerLynx]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

EJ should have been Tony and Anna's son. 

EJ as Tony and Renee's son provides more story potential.  Renee is dead so EJ can only find out about her from the people who knew her, like Chris.  In my universe, JT is still Chris, not Roman.  WN is Roman, or John turned out to really be Roman (it would have saved us from so many horrible SLs).  EJ can't get any real information about Tony because Tony/Andre won't answer any questions.  Anna returns to Salem, realizes Tony is Andre, and that leads to Tony being rescued from the island.  EJ can find out Andre is the one who killed Renee, and Stefano was responsible for bringing Andre to Salem.  EJ wants to get revenge on Andre and Stefano, and Tony wants to bond with EJ.  It leads to a dark EJ with Tony trying to keep EJ from going to far.

I believe we have officially given way more thought to EJ's SLs than the writers ever did.

Edited September 7, 2017 by TigerLynx

[pau]

2 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

EJ should have been Tony and Anna's son. Remember they lost their son due to Renee's machinations. EJ would have been connected to Carrie and if EJ plotted against Sami and Lucas, that could have been the story that really united Sami and Carrie as sisters..

No bad idea..Ej did not have any connection with Carrie and it was perfect like that. wink.

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

I believe we have officially given way more thought to EJ's SLs than the writers ever did.

To be fair, that isn't hard to do!

[radishcake]

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[tawny411]

16 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Bo/Hope/Aiden come to mind. I think Hope as a character would have been in a much better place right now if the writers had let her continue on a natural trajectory with Aiden, who she actually had chemistry with and who had a lot of potential as a character. Even if she had still shot Stefano, I think it would have been really interesting for Aiden to have to deal with that, considering Chase had killed his wife previously. Would helping protect the truth about Hope from coming out drive Aiden mad? Or would it pull him and Hope closer together? I never saw Aiden as 100% good guy, so I think there was an opportunity there for their relationship to be different than that of Bo and Hope and still be compelling and loving at the same time.

 

 

....provided Dena never wrote in that stupid twist of him working for Stefano.

 

*still singing an old song, I am*

Oh gosh, I loved Hope and Aiden. They renewed my interest in the show. If Days had to have a Bope reunion for the 50th anniversary, there were other ways of doing it than trashing Aiden. But Dena Higley was hellbent on cementing her no talent pet Galen Gering/Rafe with Hope. Plus one of my favorite characters, Hope, was turned into a smug murdering bitch. I've heard Days is better now , but I can't get past my loathing of Rafe and Hope as a couple to watch again.

 

I would love it if Days were to bring Aiden back again. If the chemistry is there I think any couple can be fixed. At the very least kill Rafe, and maybe Hope can be redeemed.

[swtrgrl]

UO x 2:

I want Sonny to suffer in agony over Will's "return." I am looking forward to his angst and misery. Why?

• The writers killed my Sonny "like." (I never loved him...was only pro-WilSon b/c it's what Will wanted)
• Freddie Smith can NOT act and on top of that has been phoning it in with his MLM sales pitch voice since he returned full time to the show.
• It could be soapy over the top goodness.

 

Once we have a chem test, I'd love to see Horita V2.0. Why?

• Christopher Sean is underutilized and I'm sick to death of Saint Paul.
• It could be hot to see Chandler/Christopher together. I'm shallow like that.
• It could be soapy over the top goodness.

[DisneyBoy]

I like CS a lot for trying as hard as he has, but like Aiden before him, the writing has done him no favors. I hated the way he hit on Sonny over Will's grave, I hate the John paternity angle and the baseball star/private detective combo is just silly. (The only thing that seemed to somewhat suit him was modeling for Basic Black with Gabi, and even then I did not believe him as a model. He just doesn't have that kind of face.)

The best I can hope for is that in six months time, both he and Sonny will be out and we can watch Will start fresh with someone new. Paul and Will boinking again would do nothing for me. It was the moment I stopped caring about Will the first time around.

And how unsavory is it to have the show's only three gay characters continuously rotate each other as sexual partners? I know the straight characters do it all the time, but it's a bit more offensive when it's the gay ones, who are barely permitted to exist in the first place.

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I would love it if Days were to bring Aiden back again. If the chemistry is there I think any couple can be fixed. At the very least kill Rafe, and maybe Hope can be redeemed.

If only. Sadly, I think that ship has long since sailed. I can't imagine why the actor would ever trust the producers again after what they did to him twice. They made Aiden into an obsessive stalker type who couldn't let go of Hope and that's the kind of stink that doesn't wash off when it comes to soaps. Plus he's tainted by the rape his son committed, and don't even get me started on how pissed off I am with the 180 they pulled with Chase. That was disgusting and so wrong.

The best we can hope for is that Hope will break up with Rafe, be single for a long time and then meet someone new who's actually likeable. I could see Hope with a fun comedic type guy. I'm sick of the dull serious stiffs.

Edited September 8, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[leela46]

I've been reading spoilers and daily summaries, but sadly I don't think there's any chance of me watching Days again. The writing of the last two years poisoned everything for me. I've watched a few Ron episodes, but I just don't care about any of the characters.

[DisneyBoy]

Give it time.

I don't think the show will ever be what it once was, but if you enjoy the medium of soaps, this one ain't bad...and there's some goodish stuff ahead.

[FnkyChkn34]

2 hours ago, leela46 said:

I've been reading spoilers and daily summaries, but sadly I don't think there's any chance of me watching Days again. The writing of the last two years poisoned everything for me. I've watched a few Ron episodes, but I just don't care about any of the characters.

I still watch it if I have nothing else to watch (it automatically records on my DVR everyday, keeping only the last 5 episodes at a time), but I'm mostly with you.  It just isn't that great.  Thankfully the primetime shows are about to start for the fall season so I can watch something new.

[tawny411]

I'm not saying never, I watched Days for over forty years. There's just not a single character on canvas I care about watching now. A few I absolutely loathe (Rafe, Hope, Gabi, Andre.) I don't like the doppelganger stuff at all. I sure never expected Ron to spotlight Hattie and Bonnie when he came on. He should have started with another Daysaster and killed off about half the cast. I do give him props for using Lucas more. He's been sorely neglected for years.

[teacake]

12 hours ago, tawny411 said:

I sure never expected Ron to spotlight Hattie and Bonnie when he came on.

I know he likes camp, so I get it on that level, but at a moment when he should be establishing his version of the show, it is puzzling.

My UO: I've never really cared about Will one way or the other.

[Apprentice79]

James Scott should have been Andrew Donovan.  I also think that Jeannie/Theresa should have been played by a British actress as well.  The last time that we had seen Andrew and Jeannie, Kim had sent them to live in England with Shane.  Sherry Anderson had hinted that Andrew was a mini Shane.  We should have seen that on the show. Plus, Andrew's presence in Salem could have been the impetus for Kim and Shane to reconcile. I hated how Dena reunited them, there was no fanfare. Plus, she put her pet Rafe in the middle of Kim and Shane.  One more reason to hate Dena. and that turd Rafe.. Andrew's return could have brought Jeannie back to town and sparks would fly between her and Alex Kiriakis.  Jeannie's return would have tied into Stefanie's return.  

Edited September 10, 2017 by Apprentice79

[pau]

34 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

James Scott should have been Andrew Donovan.  I also think that Jeannie/Theresa should have been played by a British actress as well.  The last time that we had seen Andrew and Jeannie, Kim had sent them to live in England with Shane.  Sherry Anderson had hinted that Andrew was a mini Shane.  We should have seen that on the show. Plus, Andrew's presence in Salem could have been the impetus for Kim and Shane to reconcile. I hated how Dena reunited them, there was no fanfare. Plus, she put her pet Rafe in the middle of Kim and Shane.  One more reason to hate Dena. and that turd Rafe.. Andrew's return could have brought Jeannie back to town and sparks would fly between her and Alex Kiriakis.  Jeannie's return would have tied into Stefanie's return.  

Nah, James Scott was great paired with AS's Sami.

[FnkyChkn34]

On 9/10/2017 at 9:01 AM, Apprentice79 said:

James Scott should have been Andrew Donovan.  I also think that Jeannie/Theresa should have been played by a British actress as well.  The last time that we had seen Andrew and Jeannie, Kim had sent them to live in England with Shane.  Sherry Anderson had hinted that Andrew was a mini Shane.  We should have seen that on the show. Plus, Andrew's presence in Salem could have been the impetus for Kim and Shane to reconcile. I hated how Dena reunited them, there was no fanfare. Plus, she put her pet Rafe in the middle of Kim and Shane.  One more reason to hate Dena. and that turd Rafe.. Andrew's return could have brought Jeannie back to town and sparks would fly between her and Alex Kiriakis.  Jeannie's return would have tied into Stefanie's return.  

I stopped watching for a bit - how did Rafe come between Kim and Shane? As far as I thought, they hadn't been on the show for years. 

[Apprentice79]

6 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I stopped watching for a bit - how did Rafe come between Kim and Shane? As far as I thought, they hadn't been on the show for years. 

Rafe was the one that basically encouraged Shane to go after Kim and reconcile...Dena reunited them, but, it was so perfunctory.  There was no substance to them. Even Patsy who played Kim remarked that a couple like Kim and Shane needed something big...Dena did the same thing with Justin and Adrienne..

[FnkyChkn34]

58 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Rafe was the one that basically encouraged Shane to go after Kim and reconcile...Dena reunited them, but, it was so perfunctory.  There was no substance to them. Even Patsy who played Kim remarked that a couple like Kim and Shane needed something big...Dena did the same thing with Justin and Adrienne..

Thanks.  I guess I never realized that they were apart.  The last I had heard about them, I thought they were just living somewhere else together with the kids.  This was probably the early 2000s that I last remember them?  

[Apprentice79]

5 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Thanks.  I guess I never realized that they were apart.  The last I had heard about them, I thought they were just living somewhere else together with the kids.  This was probably the early 2000s that I last remember them?  

Kim and Shane broke up in the 90's when Kim was pregnant with Jeannie(Theresa).  Cal was believed to be her father. He ruined Kim's life. Theresa never grew up with her parents.  Kim and Shane never recovered from the bad writing, both were written out of character to further stupid plots...Sherry  Anderson came back and was putting them back together, but Charles left the show. Kim was in the midst of her mental breakdown and sent the kids to live with Shane in England, for their safety. Kim later married Philip and left Salem with him.  I assume she got the kids back when she was better. Kim and Shane got back together in 2011, when Dena was writing the show and she just put them back together without any fanfare. Kim came back several times on the show throughout the years. She came back for her dad's funeral.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Apprentice79

[FnkyChkn34]

52 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Kim and Shane broke up in the 90's when Kim was pregnant with Jeannie(Theresa).  Cal was believed to be her father. He ruined Kim's life. Theresa never grew up with her parents.  Kim and Shane never recovered from the bad writing, both were written out of character to further stupid plots...Sherry  Anderson came back and was putting them back together, but Charles left the show. Kim was in the midst of her mental breakdown and sent the kids to live with Shane in England, for their safety. Kim later married Philip and left Salem with him.  I assume she got the kids back when she was better. Kim and Shane got back together in 2011, when Dena was writing the show and she just put them back together without any fanfare. Kim came back several times on the show throughout the years. She came back for her dad's funeral.

Wait... Philip?  As in Philip Kiriakis?  Ha, I definitely missed all of this.  Thanks for the help!

[Apprentice79]

Just now, FnkyChkn34 said:

Wait... Philip?  As in Philip Kiriakis?  Ha, I definitely missed all of this.  Thanks for the help!

No, her husband Philip, a producer from Hollywood who was not a Kiriakis.. He was a nice guy, but, he was not Shane..

[JBC344]

3 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Wait... Philip?  As in Philip Kiriakis?  Ha, I definitely missed all of this.  Thanks for the help!

Lol.  I was waiting for you to think "Phillip Kiriakis", now wouldn't that have been a story.  One probably ending with Kate burning down the Brady pub, lol.

[bobcat1946]

On 9/7/2017 at 8:17 AM, pau said:

I disagree..and Sami was never interested in Lucas for many many years, she did not hide some secret romantic feelings towards the guy..nah..she was all about Austin, she tried to move on with Alan and then she was all about Brandon..Lucas was just a frienemy then an annoying gnat to her ..with Lucas you could see some twisted weird obsession and jealousy from him all over the years but Sami never gave a damn about Lucas in this way until early 2003..

Then suddenly writers got rid of Brandon (whereas Sami and Brandon were a popular pairing..) and decided to built Lucas and Sami as a couple and suddenly Sami began to have romantic feelings for her old enemy/frenemy Lucas Roberts..Their built on love story was alright for a daytime soap and the actors could be fun together as a sort of funny frienemy pairing but at the end of the day Sami deserved better..Sami was alpha as a character, Lucas never was that..as a sidekick he was ok and could even be fun when he did not yell, was nasty and self-righteous/very judgmental..as an equal partner for someone like Sami..he never make it.

I want equality in pairings i like..in fiction and in reality.

ps: and i will not forget how Lucas was the one who did pick on Sami about her weight and as a result was one major reason she developed an eating disorder and at this time Sami never did anything to him..such a 'friend'..

Did not care for Sami with Lucas.  He treated her like trash while he treated Chloe, Carrie, Nicole and Adrienne like Queens.

[jaylee-03031]

My really unpopular opinions are that  1) I don't like Chad or Chad and Abby together as a couple.  Chad's constant stuttering drives me nuts and I just never really liked this version of Chad.  I loved Chad when the first actor,  Casey played him.  2) I loved Ben and Abby together (before Ben was thrown under the bus to prop Chad and Abby),  I adored Ben and Abby and think Robert Scott Wilson was a really talented actor.  I am so excited that Ben will be back.  I hated how Abby cheated on Ben over and over with Chad, constantly lied to him, and even agreed to marry him even though she was cheating on him.  She kept leading him on and filling him with hope for their life together when the whole time she was basically stabbing him in the back.   She was so horrible to him and he was such a sweet guy before they turned him into a serial killer.  Ben was abused as a child and just wanted someone to love him and want him.  He didn't deserve the way Abby treated him and it made me hate Abby for it.  She and Chad acted so self righteous about it too and neither one of them ever showed any remorse or accepted responsibility or apologized for what they did that I can remember .  Chad is no angel in this either.  He cheated with a woman who was with another man and he didn't care if Ben got hurt.  I think Abby's betrayal really messed with Ben's head and played a part in his breakdown. 

I feel like I am probably the one who who doesn't like Chad and Abby.

Edited September 17, 2017 by jaylee-03031
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[mj2000]

52 minutes ago, jaylee-03031 said:

My really unpopular opinions are that  1) I don't like Chad or Chad and Abby together as a couple.  Chad's constant stuttering drives me nuts and I just never really liked this version of Chad.  I loved Chad when the first actor,  Casey played him.  2) I loved Ben and Abby together (before Ben was thrown under the bus to prop Chad and Abby),  I adored Ben and Abby and think Robert Scott Wilson was a really talented actor.  I am so excited that Ben will be back.  I hated how Abby cheated on Ben over and over with Chad, constantly lied to him, and even agreed to marry him even though she was cheating on him.  She kept leading him on and filling him with hope for their life together when the whole time she was basically stabbing him in the back.   She was so horrible to him and he was such a sweet guy before they turned him into a serial killer.  Ben was abused as a child and just wanted someone to love him and want him.  He didn't deserve the way Abby treated him and it made me hate Abby for it.  She and Chad acted so self righteous about it too and neither one of them ever showed any remorse or accepted responsibility or apologized for what they did that I can remember .  Chad is no angel in this either.  He cheated with a woman who was with another man and he didn't care if Ben got hurt.  I think Abby's betrayal really messed with Ben's head and played a part in his breakdown. 

I feel like I am probably the one who who doesn't like Chad and Abby.

I totally agree with you about this. I don't like Chad and Abby together either. I liked her with Ben. Of course that was before his trip down psycho street. Not that she has the corner market on sanity. 

I'm not even gonna get started on the paternity issue of Thomas. 

[DisneyBoy]

I will never get the Ben love. The actor was wooden in all of his deliveries and self-conscious. And his physique is the antithesis of sexiness. He's so....plastic. Not natural at all. Both he and Mansi benefitted from the writing in that they both got to play crazy and mug for the camera.

Frankly, the actor playing Dario was better than them combined.

I think this is becoming an UO but I'm more and more glad Marci is on the show. She and Billy have a playful friendly way with one another that suggests a couple that is beyond the honeymoon phase of the relationship and there's a sort of dignity to Abigail for the first time in years. Do I think they need to do more to explore her established history of being manipulative and bitchy and nuts? Absolutely. Could I have lived with them never bringing the character back? Sure. But if we had to have her back on the show, I think this actress is doing a good job of making that tolerable and given the right material she will really shine.

[tribeca]

My opinion 

Ben always seemed abusive to me.  The actor played it like he could snap any minute.  Least that's the way I always saw it.  Abby was a jerk for playing both guys.   

Not sure I like Abby and Chad as a couple.  Real UO I thought chads best partner was Jordan. 

Abby is a strange character to me.  Guess the audience is suppose to root for her.   Really find her condescending (played by both actresses) especially the scene where she was the peacemaker for Chads family. 

[Apprentice79]

On 9/13/2017 at 1:18 PM, JBC344 said:

Lol.  I was waiting for you to think "Phillip Kiriakis", now wouldn't that have been a story.  One probably ending with Kate burning down the Brady pub, lol.

Kate and Kim liked each other and they bonded over their love of baby Will. Victor would have gone after Kim for bedding his son..lol  

[Cupcake04]

So here is my UO.......I do not like Nicole. At all. In any way, shape or form. Never have, never will.  I have no sympathy for her no matter what the storyline. Your bff took your baby that she carried? Too fucking bad....you should've listened when she told you Deimos was despicible. btw you sure moved on with a quickness from Tan Dan your true love. And now Brady? Her bed doesn't ever get cold that for sure. Can't stand that she has pretty much been with every male character and still every guy in Salem fights over her. Hate the current Eric situation. I am sooooo looking forward to her finally being gone.

[WendyCR72]

Yeah, I don't think Nicole is worth ruining the relationship between brothers. (Yes, Brady and Eric aren't brothers biologically, but they are in every other way that counts.)

[nilyank]

Especially as Nicole  has screwed over every man that she claimed to be in love with. From Eric to Brady to EJ to Brady to Daniel to Eric and back to Brady again.

[pau]

1 minute ago, nilyank said:

Especially as Nicole  has screwed over every man that she claimed to be in love with. From Eric to Brady to EJ to Brady to Daniel to Eric and back to Brady again.

You forgot many others..wink..

[nilyank]

2 minutes ago, pau said:

You forgot many others..wink..

Ah, but Nicole did not profess to love them. She just used those men for money or sex or to boost her ego.

[pau]

1 minute ago, nilyank said:

Ah, but Nicole did not profess to love them. She just used those men for money or sex or to boost her ego.

Ok..this Nicole..so sensitive..lol