Season 17 Live Feed Discussion: Watch People Sleep All Day!

[NeelyOh]

Question - I don't watch the feeds, only BBAD.  What ever happened with the note that Audrey(?) read telling James he needed to pick 2 other house guests to play with him (was it America's Player?)  Why has nothing more come of that?

That was just a joke. The note didn't actually say that.

[Nite Ryder]

Shelli -- Clay, do you have a Twitter?  

 

Audrey -- I don't think he's interesting enough for Twitter.  I think Instagram is made more for him.  

 

Where are the lies (for once from her)?  She continues to bring the shade, I'm loving it.  

Edited July 6, 2015 by Nite Ryder

[Wouldofshouldof]

Thanks - I thought that might be the case.

[RedheadZombie]

Is this thread always so quiet in the early weeks?   Last year I had a hard time keeping up.

[TimWil]

I'm guessing that the Last Laugh "phone calls" will commence after the veto ceremony.

[Maverick]

Shelli -- Clay, do you have a Twitter?  

 

Audrey -- I don't think he's interesting enough for Twitter.  I think Instagram is made more for him.  

 

Where are the lies (for once from her)?  She continues to bring the shade, I'm loving it.  

 

 OMG.  Gold.  I'm glad that since Camille has risen from her fainting couch she's found a way to entertain us without acting like a loon about strategery.

[MrsMommy]

1. Survivor Pearl Islands- Dead Grandma Story

2. Big Brother 12 - Matt claims his wife has cancer and they need the money.

3. Survivor Samoa- Russell claims to have lost everything in Hurricane Katrina/almost drowned.

4. Survivor Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains, South Pacific- anything that came out of of Coach's mouth.

...and the list goes on. I wouldn't doubt what happened to Audrey did really happen, but I don't blame anyone for being skeptical of anything anyone says in the house.

Right! Lying is a big part of the game, as much as I have watched this show I don't think I'd trust anything anyone says. People who tell the truth on bb 100% of the time wouldn't last long (has anyone actually told the truth 100%?)

I like vanessa, she reminds me of a friend I have with the way she acts and talks, I hope she makes it far

Mama da, I like her as long as she isn't in the DR, she gets loud and hateful in the DR.

I can't stand Audrey, she is a trouble maker who doesn't know when to lay low, she is playing the game horribly IMHO

I wish we seen more of liz, I haven't watched after dark bc I'm normally asleep by then but it doesn't seem like they show her much on the show.

The other people are ok i guess, I don't really like them but I don't dislike them either

[Nashville]

Regarding Audrey and Da'Vonne:

• Audrey got a good edit on the first broadcast as a deft manipulator; once the feeds/BBAD started, however, this perception didn't last past the first night.  Audrey's "master strategy" is to (a) lie to everybody in sight, then (b) call anybody who confronts her on her lies a pathological liar - even when she's in the midst of a crowd of people who can attest to the veracity of the accusation against her.  Only way Audrey makes it to the JH is if she becomes the HG who gets the "we can ALWAYS get her out later" pass.
• Da'Vonne's Achilles heel is trust.  She wants - demands, even - total trustworthiness from the people with whom she would align.  She is either unwilling or unable to return that trust to any degree whatsoever, however, so any attempt to create an alliance is a self-defeating proposition.  And you can't win this game solo.

[vb68]

So Meg still doesn't know that she will be the replacement nominee?

 

Maybe there will be some delayed  4th of July fireworks in the house?   I don't think it will calm and low key like the past couple of days.

[Former Nun]

Too bad Amy Schumer isn't invited on the show.  She could castrate Jeff in two or three sentences...and we'd all laugh!

[Petunia13]

Is this thread always so quiet in the early weeks? Last year I had a hard time keeping up.

I like it concise and with info about the live feed. Last yr there was a lot of off topic, personal stories, Ariana Grande discussion/updates, or just general and redundant rants about cast members or production.

[kellog010]

I need Vanessa, Austin or Liz to win HOH next week. Jeff and James needs to be evicted ASAP, I can't stand to listen to them anymore. Jason can go too. I may come around to liking Shelli a little more if she can ditch the dead weight that is Clay. I really hope the "underground movement" is successful is getting out that side of the house before jury.

[Skycatcher]

 

Audrey's "master strategy"

Is this a strategy, or is this her personality, magnified by TV?  I see she is a "Digital Media Coordinator", whatever that may be - sounds like one of those catch-all made-up titles. I find myself wondering what she'd be like to work with, or know in RL.  I, for one, don't like the idea of being called "pathological" every time I disagree with someone.

 

However, I kinda hate  seeing the "characters" go first.  Jace, Da and Audrey are at least interesting.  Everyone else seems so bland by comparison.

[clee39]

I think it would be fun to watch a season of Big Brother with people born and raised in different countries/cultures, who all speak a common language

Or what about (ignoring the host of legal issues) a Big Brother/My 90-Day Fiance crossover? If your American fiance is evicted, do you self-evict for love or stay for the potential money?

[Porkchop]

Oh! How about a crossover with Married At First Sight? And you have 90 days to regret it! Or, hmmmm, could we do something with American Ninja Warriors?

[Petunia13]

I'd like a version of big brother that was just 18 kinds of cuddly puppies taking over a house and a 24/7 3 month live feed.

[blixie]

 

Da'Vonne's Achilles heel is trust.  She wants - demands, even - total trustworthiness from the people with whom she would align.  She is either unwilling or unable to return that trust to any degree whatsoever, however, so any attempt to create an alliance is a self-defeating proposition.  And you can't win this game solo.

 

I agree, Clay has shown out to be a dick, but like so what? He wasn't final 4 or 2 in your alliance and there was no reason what so ever to go RIPCORD on him for that bathroom incident (subsequently Audrey). Audrey was right to try to smooth over what she thought was a cleave in their only just minted alliance. I wonder if Audrey would have gone on the lying parade if that initial alliance held strong for longer than ten minutes. Eh probably hee.

[Cutty]

I liked Davonne but she's turned into a huge disappointment since the HOH comp. Last night her and Jason sat outside trashing the rest of the house, talking about how stupid and gutless everyone is. Reminded me of Frank and Boogie's pity parties.

Also, Shelli finally told Meg she was going to be the replacement nom. Meg was okay with it. Should be fun to watch her freak out when the phone starts ringing.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Cutty

[Former Nun]

I'm not a Davonne fan but I am fascinated by her temper which seems to get the best of her: tears, trembling...maybe something she doesn't control well.  I'd bet the producers saw that flaw and LOVE it!

I see she is a "Digital Media Coordinator"

 

 

I just "coordinated" your response with mine, Skycatcher.  Now we're BOTH Digital Media Coordinaters.   I think it means she reads and answers her email.  She Tweets, and she makes sure her photos are updated regularly on Facebook.

[Nashville]

I just "coordinated" your response with mine, Skycatcher.  Now we're BOTH Digital Media Coordinaters.   I think it means she reads and answers her email.  She Tweets, and she makes sure her photos are updated regularly on Facebook.

I figured it meant she was the email pass-through to the IT staff for updating the corporate web site.

[MV007]

I don't think there is any race issue going on with Davonne.  She just got unlucky.  She would have been fine had anyone other than Clay/Shelli been HOH.  But she was intent on dividing herself from Clay from Day 1.  She created an alliance with him and then had him replaced.  That's going to bite you in the ass if he or his closest ally win HOH.  I didn't see anyone else targeting her.

[AndreaK1041]

I've been out of town, but did read through the thread... I am not clear on if anyone is upset that Shelli is not putting up Audrey as the replacement?  Is Becky just indifferent to their original plan or does she not know?

[Wings]

I've been out of town, but did read through the thread... I am not clear on if anyone is upset that Shelli is not putting up Audrey as the replacement?  Is Becky just indifferent to their original plan or does she not know?

 

 

No one likes Audrey and some like Day, so some prefer she does not go.  Upset?  I have not seen that.  Day will go no matter who goes up next to her unless it is Audrey and that is not going to happen.  All know Audrey is not trusted and she will be out if a bigger fish does surface next week.  

Edited July 6, 2015 by wings707

[peachmangosteen]

I've been out of town, but did read through the thread... I am not clear on if anyone is upset that Shelli is not putting up Audrey as the replacement?  Is Becky just indifferent to their original plan or does she not know?

 

They're all pretending to not care, but hopefully they recognize how suspicious it is that Shelli/Clay are protecting Audrey and go after Shelli/Clay next week. As for Becky, up until the moment Shelli told her she wasn't BDing Audrey, which was right after John won veto, she honestly believed it was happening and that everyone thought it was happening. She's so out of the loop it's funny. And at this point she's probably the only person who would go after Audrey next week as well. Maybe Jeff.

Edited July 6, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[AndreaK1041]

Thanks to you both.  It still makes no sense to me to keep Audrey, maybe that's why I am having trouble following things!

[Wings]

Shelli is HOH and though she does not like Audrey and sees her as someone to vote out she hates Day more.  A lot has to do with Clay and his argument with Day.  Day would nominate Shelli AND Clay in a heartbeat, Audrey will not.  Audrey thinks she is aligned with them. 

Edited July 6, 2015 by wings707

[MV007]

It's kind of hard to get a read on where people really stand.  They just seem to tell the people whatever they want to hear.  And aside from a few exceptions its hard to tell where true allegiances lie.  For example, Jason and Da are clearly together.  But where do Meg and James stand?  Are they with Clay/Jeff/Shelli or are they with Jason/Da?

 

Shelli and Clay want Audrey out too but Shelli is smart in this context.  Audrey is not gunning for Shelli.  Shelli has no reason to get her out at this point other then to appease other people.  And I think she correctly surmised that is not a winning strategy.

Edited July 6, 2015 by MV007

[iMonrey]

 

Only way Audrey makes it to the JH is if she becomes the HG who gets the "we can ALWAYS get her out later" pass.

 

See: Will Kirby, Season 2. Who won. That's the danger of keeping someone around just because you figure they have no chance. They might wind up in the final two with someone people have come to loathe even more.

[Brian Cronin]

Yeah, while I think race plays a factor in how Day is perceived in general, in this specific instance she is clearly out to get Clay and Shelli is closely aligned to Clay, so of course it makes sense for Shelli to get rid of Day. Not only that, but Day and Jason are one of the most blatant pairings out there and it always makes sense to break up pairs. Plus, of course, when given a chance to give Shelli safety, Day decided not to. So I think Shelli has plenty of good reasons to want Day out now. 

[peachmangosteen]

Day would nominate Shelli AND Clay in a heartbeat, Audrey will not.  Audrey thinks she is aligned with them. 

 

Audrey will nominate/throw under the bus anyone she wants. She has no true allegiance to anyone. She has thrown Shelli/Clay utb multiple times. She is absolutely disastrous for anyone to keep, but these people will continue to keep her.

 

It's kind of hard to get a read on where people really stand.  They just seem to tell the people whatever they want to hear.  And aside from a few exceptions its hard to tell where true allegiances lie.

 

This is so true. I think besides Day/Jason the only other true alliance is Austin/Liz and I think that's mostly on Austin's part. Sometimes a house full of people with no real alliances can be fun but most of the time I just find it boring and actually more predictable. Especially with BOB in the mix. Steve and John will be nominated every week as pawns. So boring.

 

I think there are loads of legitimate reasons for almost everyone to target Day, but imo those aren't really why Clay wants Day out. And Shelli is nothing but Clay's puppet. If she does something about it I'll gain back the respect I had for her. I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

[MV007]

 

 

This is so true. I think besides Day/Jason the only other true alliance is Austin/Liz and I think that's mostly on Austin's part. Sometimes a house full of people with no real alliances can be fun but most of the time I just find it boring and actually more predictable. Especially with BOB in the mix. Steve and John will be nominated every week as pawns. So boring.

 

 

 

It's all Jeff's fault.

[Cutty]

In Audrey's defense she has done a pretty good job of fading into the background and has been much more social, the last few days in particular. Jeff made a comment last night that they have to get her out next because people are starting to like her again. She has a good relationship with Vanessa and to a lesser extent Austin and Liz. No one from that side of the house would target her. Jason, Jeff, Meg and James are definitely gunning for her though. Clay talks a big game to Jeff but I don't think he wants Audrey out next. That being said, she has an uphill battle to make it to jury. And with the stupid BOTB twist it makes it more difficult for the huge targets to last. 

[peachmangosteen]

It's all Jeff's fault.

 

LMAO!

 

Jeff and Shelli/Clay appear to make a new 8 person alliance every damn day. They must be stopped!

 

Jason, Jeff, Meg and James are definitely gunning for her though.

 

I think Jason will go for Clay/Shelli. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking.

Edited July 6, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Cutty]

Shelli was looking for a reason to not put up Audrey. She said more than once that she would not be the person to send Audrey home. Davonne was the next logical step, though I think James would have been the better target. He has more allies than Day and has already won one HOH. 

[TimWil]

It has been mentioned elsewhere that Shelli didn't want to be the one to send Audrey home because she's transgender. I don't agree with that being Shelli's motive if it's true but I find it understandable.

Edited July 6, 2015 by TimWil

[Cutty]

It has been mentioned elsewhere that Shelli didn't want to be the one to send Audrey home because she's transgender. I don't agree with that being Shelli's motive if it's true but I find it understandable.

 

I don't think that's the reason. She's mentioned that she was super close to Audrey from the first night. We didn't see a lot of that because the feeds weren't on.

Did everyone notice they cut Becky saying Audrey accused her of being racist from the episode last night? That all happened before the feeds came on so I thought we might see what really transpired there. But I'm guessing production didn't want to open that can of worms. 

Edited July 6, 2015 by Cutty

[peachmangosteen]

If anyone wants a good laugh, flashback to 3:19 am this morning on cams 3/4. Shelli and Clay had a heated argument over nutrition and it is hilarious. Clay tells Shelli she should eat healthier (which wtf why is Shelli so dickmatized by this asshole) and Shelli calls herself fat and cries. It's pure comedy!

[Nashville]

Thanks to you both.  It still makes no sense to me to keep Audrey, maybe that's why I am having trouble following things!

  

Magician's trick. Look closely a the big, flashy thing in my right hand - watch it, study it, and absorb every detail. No need to worry about my left hand - why, it's not doing anything of importance at all....

A magician's primary tools of the trade are distraction/diversion - and right now, if you're someone who's planning on pulling a fast one on one or more members of this House, Audrey's the biggest, flashiest ready-made distraction/diversion at your disposal. Why boot her immediately, when she might be SO useful just a little ways on down the road?

[Audrey] has a good relationship with Vanessa and to a lesser extent Austin and Liz.

Gotta disagree with you on this part. Vanessa might like Audrey on a personal level - but Game-wise, no way Vanessa will forget Audrey tried setting V up as the ringleader of a fictitious all-female alliance.

And you think Austin 's already over how both James AND Audrey told both Austin and Jace how Jace was safe from nomination and even gave nodding assent to a Jam/Jac/Aud/Aus alliance, only to flip on Jace a couple of hours later? Or how it was Audrey who originally floated the idea to Jam/Jac/Aud/Aus of BDing the outgoing HoH (Jason) as a Big Move, only for her to rake Jace over the coals with it a day or two later on the BY couch - with Jason in attendance, no less - claiming it was Jace's idea? I'd say, not a chance in Hell.

[Cutty]

Gotta disagree with you on this part. Vanessa might like Audrey on a personal level - but Game-wise, no way Vanessa will forget Audrey tried setting V up as the ringleader of a fictitious all-female alliance.

And you think Austin 's already over how both James AND Audrey told both Austin and Jace how Jace was safe from nomination and even gave nodding assent to a Jam/Jac/Aud/Aus alliance, only to flip on Jace a couple of hours later? Or how it was Audrey who originally floated the idea to Jam/Jac/Aud/Aus of BDing the outgoing HoH (Jason) as a Big Move, only for her to rake Jace over the coals with it a day or two later on the BY couch - with Jason in attendance, no less - claiming it was Jace's idea? I'd say, not a chance in Hell.

 

 

I didn't mean Vanessa wants to work with Audrey, but her and Austin (along with Steve) are the only ones who have talked even a little game with her. I'm pretty sure if Vanessa and/or Austin were in power they wouldn't target Audrey, at least not next week. They are not as hardcore after her as the rest of the house. In fact I'm almost positive Vanessa would target James with Jason as the backup option.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Cutty

[peachmangosteen]

 I'm pretty sure if Vanessa and/or Austin were in power they wouldn't target Audrey, at least not next week. 

 

I agree.

 

I want an Austin/Jason HOH. I feel like Austin would go for James/Jeff and Jason would go for Shelli/Clay and those are the 4 I most want to see evicted.

[Cutty]

James/Jeff on the block after the veto would be glorious. Two biggest douchebags in the house.

I like Austin a lot but he's still snowed by Jeff. I worry what he would do if he were in power. But I think he would listen to Vanessa over everyone.

[peachmangosteen]

I like Austin a lot but he's still snowed by Jeff. 

 

He seems to be getting over it. I hope so! He finally got over his Clay obsession!

 

Yea, I worry what Austin would really do because he will most likely let Vanessa have a heavy hand in his decision and I don't really know who she actually wants to see go.

Edited July 6, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Cutty]

Then again, Audrey could increase her target if (when?) she goes bonkers again this week. Not saying it's likely but I'm not going to be surprised if she's trying to save Davonne by Wednesday.

[Wings]

Now that everyone knows that Audrey is nuts and not to pay attention to what she says, it opens the game to have bigger targets that have impact on the game.  Audrey probably bought herself enough time to get on the jury.  She may have reduced herself to annoying gnat.  

[Cutty]

I hope Davonne campaigns hard because she has a pretty good case to make against Meg. Everyone likes her, she will skate to the end and win. The problem is Day hasn't made enough relationships with the people she needs to vote for her.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Cutty

[MV007]

I hope Davonne campaigns hard because she has a pretty good case to make against Meg. Everyone likes her, she will skate to the end and win. The problem is Day hasn't made enough relationships with the people she needs to vote for her.

 

I would agree that is an argument that Davonne can make.  I don't think it would be very compelling though at this point in the game.  And I also think negative campaigning with this group would do more harm then good.  They would see it as somewhat ruthless and I don't think this group views that as a positive, but rather as a reason to get rid of someone.

[liqidclark]

If BB doesn't announce all the rewards/punishments from the phone calls, Da should lie that she won a special power she can use to save people later on.

[Cutty]

Davonne telling Steve to be careful while also passive aggressively complaining that he consoled Audrey but not her. Said she pulled away from him because information she told him got back to Audrey. Steve denies it. At one point she said something like, "Audrey will come over and ask you what we were talking about, probably so she can spread a rumor that I'm campaigning against Meg." Steve asks incredulously, "Well shouldn't you campaign?"

[peachmangosteen]

Day really made a mistake by alienating Steve. He seemed really eager to work with her. 

 

I think if Day were to get the phone call she would start working on staying. Having to get 4 votes is a lot easier than trying to get 7, especially in her case. And honestly I think there's a chance she could stay, but she's her own worst enemy and she might not campaign in the right way.

[Callaphera]

If anyone wants a good laugh, flashback to 3:19 am this morning on cams 3/4. Shelli and Clay had a heated argument over nutrition and it is hilarious. Clay tells Shelli she should eat healthier (which wtf why is Shelli so dickmatized by this asshole) and Shelli calls herself fat and cries. It's pure comedy!

 

Wait, this happened again? I know the other night he called her body old and withered, and while it sounded like a joke on both of their parts, it bothered her enough that she was refusing to wear a bikini the next day because of his comments. What a winner. I'd be locking his ass out of the HoH room.

 

I'd like to root for Austin, but only if he starts washing his hands after he leaves the bathroom. The horrified expressions and laughter from Jason and Da'Vonne when they witnessed him leave the toilet stall and wander back into the kitchen was priceless, though.