One is the Loneliest Number: Unpopular GG Opinions

[readster]

21 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I agree. Very young men tend to be insecure. Most of them grow out of it as experience teaches them to value themselves and realize that if they are secure in themselves they need not feel threatened by strong women or other men. But some don't grow out of it. Dean seemed to stagnate and become lees interesting because of his lack of growth as a person. Basically I think ASP became bored with the character and that was reflected in Rory's attitude towards him.

I agree, even though she jump at a chance to use Jared when he was in-between jobs until Supernatural took off. Same with Milo, it was like AS-P wanted it both ways. She was bored with said characters, but when they were free, she shove them in, even if it made no logical sense. Or she had some hard on for an actor, but instead of signing them on to deals, she let them drift to other networks and so forth. Then magically tried to make them fit and caused them to come off as either: clingy, stupid, or borderline them on almost abusive behavior when clearly that wasn't the intent. Marty was another grand example of this, especially when the actor had a month free in season 7 and then turn him into a downright asshole, but he was FREE and the showrunners were like: "Cool, an alum, we can use that." 

[HeySandyStrange]

On 3/15/2020 at 12:02 AM, slf said:

As far as his intelligence is concerned he was never shown to be gifted or even especially well-read. (Hunter Thompson isn't advanced and lots of people read him in high school.) 

On that note, I'd argue that most of the literature consumed by the well-read characters (Rory and Jess, particularly) wasn't especially challenging. It was mostly the well-known big hitters of literature, not anything particularly unique, subversive, or diverse. Did we ever see Rory read many books by non-white authors, or off beat, unique or obscure literature? I feel like her choices were mostly very safe and WASPy. So, to be honest, I wouldn't say Dean's choices in literature said anything about his intelligence, just because he didn't read Tolstoy or Austin (who I don't see as especially challenging writers and I don't think it says much about Rory's intelligence for reading them).

On 3/15/2020 at 12:14 AM, andromeda331 said:

Although I do think being able to build a car at sixteen or seventeen from the ground up is incredible and pretty talented. That kind of skill he should have gone on to work at one of the car companies.

Yeah, Dean had pretty impressive mechanical skills. There is more then one way to be gifted or intelligent, and in the real world, Dean could've become a mechanical engineer. But in ASP's world, if you aren't a college bound reader and incredibly quick-witted and make obscure pop culture references, you are a moronic loser. Unless you own a quirky business, of course.🙄

Edited March 19, 2020 by HeySandyStrange

[mamadrama]

It's been so long since I read some of this that I can't remember if these are unpopular or not but...

I liked Luke's big old honking bedroom set...

I didn't like the dance dress Lorelei made for Rory.

Sometimes I think Lorelei should have just kept her mouth shut around Emily and let her win a few rounds.

Hep Alien was really bad.

Despite Lorelei's disgust with b&bs, both inns kind of looked like one. 

I don't care for him as a character but I think Digger was the most suited for Lor. He understood her, they had similar backgrounds and similar views on those backgrounds, and he could put up with her crap well.

I thought Emily's grand tour of Europe looked like a good time. 

Emily had lots of issues but simply being polite and engaging her from time to time would've helped. I think she was incredibly lonely.

After S1 Dean became a little scary.

I liked some of the things that Emily was sending to Lorelei's house to smoke her out. 

I hated the pregnant Sookie subplots.

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by mamadrama

[Taryn74]

9 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I didn't like the dance dress Lorelei made for Rory.

I thought it was pretty enough, but nothing special. Certainly nothing Madeline and/or Louise would have fawned over.

9 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Sometimes I think Lorelei should have just kept her mouth shut around Emily and let her win a few rounds.

Agreed.

9 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Hep Alien was really bad.

I go back and forth on this one. They certainly weren't up-and-coming or anything, but for a bunch of high school/college kids they were really good, IMO. I don't think Gil would have been as impressed with them as the show made him be, although I love Sebastian Bach being a regular on my favorite dramady so much I don't care LOL.

9 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Despite Lorelei's disgust with b&bs, both inns kind of looked like one. 

Ha! Especially the Dragonfly. It gave LaDawn's place a run for it's money.

9 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I thought Emily's grand tour of Europe looked like a good time. 

Me too! I'm not one for travel, but if I'm gonna do Europe it's going to be with someone like Emily. Heh.

[peacheslatour]

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I liked Luke's big old honking bedroom set..

So did I.

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I hated the pregnant Sookie subplots.

I hated Sookie, period. For all her "master chef" crap she knew next to nothing about cooking. Of course that's the writer's fault but it still bugs me.

[chessiegal]

Yeah, it's obvious ASP knows nothing about cooking, yet she seems fascinated by it. Lorelai mentions Ina Garten once, then we have Rory watching Nigella in her dorm room. Plus the parade of celebrity chefs in the revival.

[readster]

15 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Yeah, it's obvious ASP knows nothing about cooking, yet she seems fascinated by it. Lorelai mentions Ina Garten once, then we have Rory watching Nigella in her dorm room. Plus the parade of celebrity chefs in the revival.

Something my stepfather who was a long career chef just rolled his eyes on things when he did sit and watch the show with my mother and I. He just went: "These show runners don't know a thing about cooking." I found out when he was watching the revival with my mother while she was going through cancer treatments the entire piece with the one woman who was stealing people's food at the restaurants. He said along the lines of: "That guy would be out of a job so fast, I don't care who that woman is, you are killing profits because those people are waiting for their food."

[peacheslatour]

10 hours ago, readster said:

Something my stepfather who was a long career chef just rolled his eyes on things when he did sit and watch the show with my mother and I. He just went: "These show runners don't know a thing about cooking." I found out when he was watching the revival with my mother while she was going through cancer treatments the entire piece with the one woman who was stealing people's food at the restaurants. He said along the lines of: "That guy would be out of a job so fast, I don't care who that woman is, you are killing profits because those people are waiting for their food."

That's like stories about restaurant staff spitting in people's food. When I was young, I had several different restaurant jobs and I never once heard of anybody doing that. You would have been out on your ass in a heartbeat if any manager got wind of anything remotely like that.

[andromeda331]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

That's like stories about restaurant staff spitting in people's food. When I was young, I had several different restaurant jobs and I never once heard of anybody doing that. You would have been out on your ass in a heartbeat if any manager got wind of anything remotely like that.

I've always hoped that wasn't true. But I've always had many doubts from stories during my teen years from classmates who worked in restaurants. I so hope those were stories.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

I've always hoped that wasn't true. But I've always had many doubts from stories during my teen years from classmates who worked in restaurants. I so hope those were stories.

They were.

[readster]

15 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I've always hoped that wasn't true. But I've always had many doubts from stories during my teen years from classmates who worked in restaurants. I so hope those were stories.

Not that people didn't look for that and it wasn't seen, but trust me just like with Emily constant firing maids, eventually the house keeping services would be: "Sorry Ms. Gilmore, but we have never experienced as many firings since working with you. Good luck with issues at home." 

[mamadrama]

Rory passed up two opportunities from Mitchum and I think she should have taken them. She passed up one on Logan's birthday when M told her he had "newspapers all over the world" he could place her at and again in the reboot (Conde Nast). With newspapers and magazines floundering there are lots of journalists looking for work. In Rory's naive college world you just had to work hard to achieve what you wanted, but in the real world connections matter. Reboot Rory should've known this.

[andromeda331]

The topic in TV Tropes Love 'em and Loathe'em about women who eat tons and tons of food but never gain any weigh including Lorelai and Rory made me think of Emily. On one hand she doesn't eat as much as her daughter and granddaughter. But they do eat fancy meals all the time whether its Friday Night dinner or at one of the many functions they go to. We also never see her exercise either. Richard's weight actually makes the most sense out of the four Gilmores. He eats fancy food and never exercises except for golf which did lead to health problems. 

[readster]

3 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

The topic in TV Tropes Love 'em and Loathe'em about women who eat tons and tons of food but never gain any weigh including Lorelai and Rory made me think of Emily. On one hand she doesn't eat as much as her daughter and granddaughter. But they do eat fancy meals all the time whether its Friday Night dinner or at one of the many functions they go to. We also never see her exercise either. Richard's weight actually makes the most sense out of the four Gilmores. He eats fancy food and never exercises except for golf which did lead to health problems. 

Plus, Richard was a very tall man, and it is statistically proven that taller men have a harder problem losing weight with almost no exercise. My brother-in-law who is 6'5 runs regularly and goes on walks to stay trim. 

[peacheslatour]

5 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

The topic in TV Tropes Love 'em and Loathe'em about women who eat tons and tons of food but never gain any weigh including Lorelai and Rory made me think of Emily. On one hand she doesn't eat as much as her daughter and granddaughter. But they do eat fancy meals all the time whether its Friday Night dinner or at one of the many functions they go to. We also never see her exercise either. Richard's weight actually makes the most sense out of the four Gilmores. He eats fancy food and never exercises except for golf which did lead to health problems. 

Emily does eat a very diverse diet but I don't think she shovels it in the way Lorelai and Rory do. She probably just nibbles.

[Katy M]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Emily does eat a very diverse diet but I don't think she shovels it in the way Lorelai and Rory do. She probably just nibbles.

And I also think she eats more vegetables than the girls do.  They always have salad at FND and Lorelai, at least, usually scoffs at green stuff.  The Horror.  

[chessiegal]

Lorelai's hate of green wasn't there at the beginning of the series. In early episodes the fridge was full of real food, and in one episode we see her pull a bag of salad greens, open it, pour in salad dressing, grab a fork and eat salad out of the bag.

[andromeda331]

3 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Lorelai's hate of green wasn't there at the beginning of the series. In early episodes the fridge was full of real food, and in one episode we see her pull a bag of salad greens, open it, pour in salad dressing, grab a fork and eat salad out of the bag.

I remember that and there's a bowl of apples on the kitchen table in a few early episodes too. Lorelai even cuts one up to eat when Emily calls her. Also in the pilot they are eating salad at Luke's when their eating dinner together. Luke brings over their meals right Rory tells Lorelai she doesn't want to go to Chilton and they end up leave. I wish they hadn't dropped that. 

[CFC]

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Emily does eat a very diverse diet but I don't think she shovels it in the way Lorelai and Rory do. She probably just nibbles.

This made me think of the way she ate that frozen pizza Rory made her and Richard in "Love & War & Snow."

[andromeda331]

Just now, CFC said:

This made me think of the way she ate that frozen pizza Rory made her and Richard in "Love & War & Snow."

I love Richard and Emily's reaction to the pizza. They both ended up liking. I love that Richard always ends up loving the food Rory eats more then the fancy food they eat. He loves the pizza so much he tries to replace that horrible salmon with it.  Too bad we never saw him at one of Lorelai's and Rory's evenings of eating massive food. He probably would have loved everything there.

[peacheslatour]

9 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I love Richard and Emily's reaction to the pizza. They both ended up liking. I love that Richard always ends up loving the food Rory eats more then the fancy food they eat. He loves the pizza so much he tries to replace that horrible salmon with it.  Too bad we never saw him at one of Lorelai's and Rory's evenings of eating massive food. He probably would have loved everything there.

Emily did when they went to the food court at the mall.

[chessiegal]

And Richard scolded Lorelai for ordering too much food when he told Rory she couldn't keep the car Dean made for her.

[peacheslatour]

18 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

And Richard scolded Lorelai for ordering too much food when he told Rory she couldn't keep the car Dean made for her.

Ooh, how I hated him in that episode.

[Katy M]

22 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

And Richard scolded Lorelai for ordering too much food 

Not that he had this information, but there's one episode where Lorelai is cleaning out the fridge and there are 2 different pizza boxes. She ends up throwing both leftovers out because they couldn't remember which was more recent, and they threw something else out,, too.  I think it was Chinese, but I'm not sure.  So, he wasn't wrong.

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Not that he had this information, but there's one episode where Lorelai is cleaning out the fridge and there are 2 different pizza boxes. She ends up throwing both leftovers out because they couldn't remember which was more recent, and they threw something else out,, too.  I think it was Chinese, but I'm not sure.  So, he wasn't wrong.

Was that after Rory went to Yale? Maybe Lorelai was adjusting to ordering food for just herself?

[Taryn74]

44 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Was that after Rory went to Yale? Maybe Lorelai was adjusting to ordering food for just herself?

No, it was in the first couple of seasons. Rory comes in and finds Lorelai cleaning out the fridge. She tosses a thing of pizza thinking it was too old, then finds another one that she realizes was the too old box and then Rory keeps her from dragging the other one back out of the trash (LOL). They munch on cold fries (gross!) and then Rory gives her a disgusted look when she tosses those fries in the trash too (I guess they were too old as well, ha ha). 

So no, Richard wasn't wrong. He was too rude in much of what he said that day, but at the same time he wasn't wrong for most of it.

[ZuluQueenOfDwarves]

He’s not wrong about how much food they waste, but he is wrong to bring it up. It’s not just that he was patronizing in his manner, it’s that Lorelai can do what she wants with her food budget, and if some of the takeout goes to waste, it’s not Richard’s problem and it’s not his business. 

[peacheslatour]

43 minutes ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:

He’s not wrong about how much food they waste, but he is wrong to bring it up. It’s not just that he was patronizing in his manner, it’s that Lorelai can do what she wants with her food budget, and if some of the takeout goes to waste, it’s not Richard’s problem and it’s not his business. 

Right. Especially since she was in her house, spending her money and it was none of his business.

[Kohola3]

7 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Right. Especially since she was in her house, spending her money and it was none of his business.

I totally agree and that would have driven me crazy.

But playing devil's advocate here, Richard just retired from a position where that kind of criticism probably was part of his job.  He may have dealt with all kinds of oversight and was in a position of authority where he was used to pointing out waste of resources.  Should he have done it to his adult daughter? Absolutely not.  But that's something that's probably quite difficult to turn off.  That and the loss of authority would be hard for someone used to being the Big Boss would be to difficult to transfer into easily.

I remember my own mother going nuts when my dad retired and decided to rearrange her kitchen cupboards. As an engineer he felt the kitchen was inefficient.  She just about clobbered him.

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

I totally agree and that would have driven me crazy.

But playing devil's advocate here, Richard just retired from a position where that kind of criticism probably was part of his job.  He may have dealt with all kinds of oversight and was in a position of authority where he was used to pointing out waste of resources.  Should he have done it to his adult daughter? Absolutely not.  But that's something that's probably quite difficult to turn off.  That and the loss of authority would be hard for someone used to being the Big Boss would be to difficult to transfer into easily.

I remember my own mother going nuts when my dad retired and decided to rearrange her kitchen cupboards. As an engineer he felt the kitchen was inefficient.  She just about clobbered him.

Once when my DH was between jobs, he rearranged my spices and then he started micro managing the cats.

[Taryn74]

And to further stir the pot, just because I can (ha!) Lorelai had also borrowed tens of thousands of dollars from him for her daughter's education. So I can see where Richard might think he had the right to say something about how much money she was seemingly frivolously spending. (And he didn't push her about it once she explained why she was ordering so much. It's not like he called the restaurant and cancelled her order, LOL.)

[junienmomo]

My husband and I tussled over the dishwasher when he started staying home. He would rearrange things I'd just put in. I made a rule for myself that as soon as he started that, I was done with loading the dishwasher that time. LOL

Richard is one of my favorite unpopular opinions. Too often he gets a pass when he disses Lorelai. 
I suggest that he knew that the loans were in exchange for the FND, and that his criticism the day he was in SH stemmed more from his hubris by having been high up in business.
 

He treated Emily that way, often ignoring her valid opinions. And don't get me started on their lack of communication on his retirement and quitting his job. That ripped Emily apart. If there's one thing a couple should be exceedingly clear about is income and retirement planning.

[andromeda331]

20 hours ago, junienmomo said:

My husband and I tussled over the dishwasher when he started staying home. He would rearrange things I'd just put in. I made a rule for myself that as soon as he started that, I was done with loading the dishwasher that time. LOL

Richard is one of my favorite unpopular opinions. Too often he gets a pass when he disses Lorelai. 
I suggest that he knew that the loans were in exchange for the FND, and that his criticism the day he was in SH stemmed more from his hubris by having been high up in business.
 

He treated Emily that way, often ignoring her valid opinions. And don't get me started on their lack of communication on his retirement and quitting his job. That ripped Emily apart. If there's one thing a couple should be exceedingly clear about is income and retirement planning.

It did. Along with their problems that began to come up in season four which for the most part seem like Richard's fault. He's traveling a lot more. He doesn't talk to her. He immediately agrees to ditch the launch party that Emily's been working on, and engineers or co-engineers the whole thing with Floyd which means Emily (and Lorelai and Digger) were the only ones at that dinner that didn't know things were going to break up. When Emily goes to talk to him worried that going after Digger will cost them Lorelai and Rory. Richard blows it off completely saying that they have a deal with Rory.  He goes on about Lorelai lying to him. But he's lying too. He made that deal with Floyd to cut Jason out. He put up his pension without telling Emily. Also, when Digger first came wanting to work with Richard he wasn't interested until Jason pointed out that it would piss off Floyd and then Richard was completely on board. So that didn't bother him. I'm not even sure whether we should feel sorry for Richard when he quits his job out. Yes being phased out is terrible. But Richard was the one who invented it. He did that to who knows how many colleagues. Even when its happening to him he doesn't even seem to feel bad about what he did to others. Not only was he being a jerking that time before he quits. He canceled a bunch of functions without even ask Emily whether she wanted to go or not.

He never defends her with his mother is constantly terrible to her or sticks up for her. He either laughs with Trix or ignores her. Its only when Trix turns on him does he get mad.  When they reconcile we're suppose to think all their problems are solved even though they've done nothing to work on them. But then Richard makes that remark in Twenty-One is a Loneliest Number that Rory has more to do that he doesn't want her to plan parties and its meaningless he doesn't want that life for her. Which Emily of course responses with he doesn't want her to have Emily's. Yeah so everything's all fixed but Richard still puts down and thinks so little of what Emily does. Of that's when we also learn that going against Lorelai's plan was Richard's idea. He chose it and let Rory drop out and do nothing for months and doesn't even seemed to mind or care until Lorelai asks him about the plan. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by andromeda331

[readster]

12 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

He never defends her with his mother is constantly terrible to her or sticks up for her. He either laughs with Trix or ignores her. Its only when Trix turns on him does he get mad.  When they reconcile we're suppose to think all their problems are solved even though they've done nothing to work on them. But then Richard makes that remark in Twenty-One is a Loneliest Number that Rory has more to do that he doesn't want her to plan parties and its meaningless he doesn't want that life for her. Which Emily of course responses with he doesn't want her to have Emily's. Yeah so everything's all fixed but Richard still puts down and thinks so little of what Emily does. Of that's when we also learn that going against Lorelai's plan was Richard's idea. He chose it and let Rory drop out and do nothing for months and doesn't even seemed to mind or care until Lorelai asks him about the plan. 

Sadly, I know how it feels to have a family member tear into someone and then no one says anything with the damn excuse: "I just do what keeps them happy." Despite the fact they are ripping another person emotionally and as the old saying goes: "Don't go throwing stones in glass houses." Richard only get's mad when Trix calls out Richard borrowing money from her, when we realized it was pretty small potatoes as he paid it of in less than a month. Showing it had no baring or was in the debt that Lorelai put herself in with the Inn. Also, Richard comes off looking like an idiot when he really had "no plan" and only gets upset after he learns that the Huntzburger family really did belittle Rory both at dinner and at her job. Now, Mitchum had more professional POV for his tear in. However, his wife and father act like Rory was engaged to Logan. 

 Yet, Richard and Emily "knowing hte Huntzs so well" think it was all a made up story by Lorelai. Umm... huh?

[Meow25]

On 3/29/2020 at 3:50 AM, mamadrama said:

It's been so long since I read some of this that I can't remember if these are unpopular or not but...

I liked Luke's big old honking bedroom set...

I didn't like the dance dress Lorelei made for Rory.

Sometimes I think Lorelei should have just kept her mouth shut around Emily and let her win a few rounds.

Hep Alien was really bad.

Despite Lorelei's disgust with b&bs, both inns kind of looked like one. 

I don't care for him as a character but I think Digger was the most suited for Lor. He understood her, they had similar backgrounds and similar views on those backgrounds, and he could put up with her crap well.

I thought Emily's grand tour of Europe looked like a good time. 

Emily had lots of issues but simply being polite and engaging her from time to time would've helped. I think she was incredibly lonely.

After S1 Dean became a little scary.

I liked some of the things that Emily was sending to Lorelei's house to smoke her out. 

I hated the pregnant Sookie subplots.

 

 

 

I agree with EVERYTHING except the bedroom set.  LOL.  Especially Dean, and Jason.  I STILL think that Jason and Lorelai deserve each other.  Just saying.  

[Meow25]

I just did a rewatch.  Probably unpopular opinions:  

1.  Dean in the first episodes was Jess.  Leather jacket, slightly dangerous looking, slight attitude... I don't know why ASP changed him into "Hometown Dean" by the end of S1, but the character changed drastically.  I liked the first version of Dean.  

2.  Richard becomes less and less endearing with each re-watch.  Interestingly I see more father/daughter similarities with each re-watch.  Whenever Richard lets his guard down with Lorelai (Like after Trix was found kissing the man in the track suit) you can absolutely see where she gets her sense of humor.  

3.  I LOVED Luke during the first watch through, and I like him less and less each time.  I see no compatibility between Luke and Lorelai at all anymore.  In fact, I find his treatment of Lorelai during the April scandal so outrageous that it really ruins any chance of them being together again.  I hate that Lorelai went back to him after that.  

4.  I also loved Logan during the first run through, and he also should have been ditched FOREVER after the way he acted when meeting Jess.  FOREVER.  I hate that Rory didn't completely get rid of him. 

5.  Out of all the boyfriends, I think Jason and Lorelai deserve each other.  I don't particularly like Jason, but he gets Lorelai...and she understands him.  They were raised the same way, and have the same family dynamics.  

6.  I don't like Dean, Jess, OR Logan for Rory.  If forced to pick it would probably be Jess. 

7.  Emily wasn't redeemable until the revival.  Emily without Richard and the DAR is a much better mother.  

[peacheslatour]

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Hep Alien was really bad.

Meh, it was a really stupid name but they were a decent enough cover band.

[chessiegal]

I thought it was kind of sweet that ASP named the band after her friend.

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Helen Pai is an American television writer, director, and producer. Pai works at Dorothy Parker Drank Here Productions, founded by close friend of Amy Sherman-Palladino and is co-producer of the television series Gilmore Girls and Bunheads.

 

[blondiec0332]

22 hours ago, Meow25 said:

I LOVED Luke during the first watch through, and I like him less and less each time.  I see no compatibility between Luke and Lorelai at all anymore.  In fact, I find his treatment of Lorelai during the April scandal so outrageous that it really ruins any chance of them being together again.  I hate that Lorelai went back to him after that.  

I've said this about Sex and the City but it applies to GG as well. How you originally feel about characters or plots will change upon a re watch because you have the benefit of knowing what lies ahead. When I first watched I could not stand Paris but watching it again I liked her because I knew she ended up being a good friend to Rory. On the other hand first watching Sookie I found her quirky but on a re watch found her annoying because I knew she was going to become even more annoying as time went on.

22 hours ago, Meow25 said:

Out of all the boyfriends, I think Jason and Lorelai deserve each other.  I don't particularly like Jason, but he gets Lorelai...and she understands him.  They were raised the same way, and have the same family dynamics.  

I agree with this.  If it was me I would have stayed with Jason. He was attractive and fun and I thought they chemistry which usually translates to really hot sex.

22 hours ago, Meow25 said:

I don't like Dean, Jess, OR Logan for Rory.  If forced to pick it would probably be Jess. 

I didn't like any of them for Rory but for myself I would have picked Jess. Any guy who reads books is fine by me.

[dubstepford wife]

I haven't read through this entire thread but...I loved Max Medina.  He's my dream man: tall, dark, and handsome, well read, knows how to cook Osso Bucco.  And he had a good sense of humor in dealing with Lorelai's early season spazzing.  There was no way the show would pair up its female co-lead in season one, but, if it had been me, I'd have married him and never looked twice at the jackass in the flannel.

On 3/29/2020 at 3:50 AM, mamadrama said:

I didn't like the dance dress Lorelei made for Rory.

I sew, and that thing looked very, very homesewn, and like it was made out of fabric that cost $2 at Joann's.  Which I guess is somewhat realistic considering that's probably where Lorelai would have purchased it, but as a drool-worthy dress that private school girls who have access to designer stuff would covet?  No way.  (Her hair looked great though.  Oh, early 00's updos.)

[scarynikki12]

I liked the color and skirt of the dress but not the top. On the mannequin it probably looked great but with Alexis' bad posture it looked poorly made.

[dirtypop90]

On 2/14/2020 at 8:07 PM, Crs97 said:

I’ve always heard rumors that Scott and Lauren didn’t get along, more on Lauren’s side.  The rumors seem to come from forums in which a poster would say they have a friend of a friend who worked on the set and who said something about it.  Scott has always vehemently dismissed it, saying he loves her like a sister.  Lauren has denied it, but not quite as strongly.  I think one of her comments was something like “OMG, we cannot kill this rumor,” which some said was not acrually a denial.  I think I believe the official stance, which is they are professional colleagues who get along fine on set but don’t socialize outside of the show.

I've always wondered where the rumors came from.  They were all over the message board back in the day.  I also remembered Lauren's unconvincing denial.  My guess is they were just very different people who had nothing to talk about when not acting.

 

I never saw the romantic chemistry so the rumors didn't help.  They had big brother-little sister energy which explains Scott's statement.

Edited May 26, 2020 by dirtypop90

[FictionLover]

4 hours ago, dirtypop90 said:

I've always wondered where the rumors came from.  They were all over the message board back in the day.  I also remembered Lauren's unconvincing denial.  My guess is they were just very different people who had nothing to talk about when not acting.

 

I never saw the romantic chemistry so the rumors didn't help.  They had big brother-little sister energy which explains Scott's statement.

I find what Lauren Graham doesn’t say speaks volumes. She talks a lot of her wonderful TV friends from GG and Parenthood and Scott Patterson is never mentioned. He is also one of the few she does not follow on Twitter. Now, being able to see more of their off stage personalities on social media, I can see why they don’t socialize.

[Crs97]

And yet Scott is always complimentary of her.  He goes out of his way to say wonderful things about her.  

[alexa]

That is interesting to hear about Scott/Lauren.  I know they are actors, but as many scenes as they had together over the years and the chemistry they had as friends, etc, it is weird to think they wouldn't be somewhat close off of the show.  But I know that happens.  

[HeySandyStrange]

On 5/28/2020 at 5:36 AM, alexa said:

That is interesting to hear about Scott/Lauren.  I know they are actors, but as many scenes as they had together over the years and the chemistry they had as friends, etc, it is weird to think they wouldn't be somewhat close off of the show.  But I know that happens.  

I mean, at the end of the day, acting is just another job, if a very unique one by average standards. They are basically playing pretend for however many hours a day. 

For instance, there's Keiko and Alexis-they made pretty convincing on screen friends, but they really aren't close in real life, going off what I've noticed over the years. Actually, I don't know if Alexis is particularly close to anyone from GG, except maybe Lauren and Kelly, and even then I don't think they hang out that much. I figure actors are just like any other co-workers, sometimes they form deep friendships, and sometimes it's just a professional relationship.

 

On 5/26/2020 at 4:13 PM, FictionLover said:

I find what Lauren Graham doesn’t say speaks volumes. She talks a lot of her wonderful TV friends from GG and Parenthood and Scott Patterson is never mentioned. He is also one of the few she does not follow on Twitter. Now, being able to see more of their off stage personalities on social media, I can see why they don’t socialize.

The impression I've gotten of both Scott and Lauren from limited sources over the years is they both have fairly "big" personalities. I can see them clashing, or at least not melding well together, outside of the set. I could see both of them being potentially difficult people (and I've heard unfounded rumors about both of them in that potential asshole vein). Could be why Scott is so profuse in his praise of Lauren and why Lauren is lukewarm.

[Kohola3]

1 hour ago, HeySandyStrange said:

For instance, there's Keiko and Alexis-they made pretty convincing on screen friends, but they really aren't close in real life, going off what I've noticed over the years.

Keiko being closer to Lauren's age than Alexis' might have something to do with that.  I remembered being so surprised that she was 34 when GG started and was playing a teenager.

[HeySandyStrange]

2 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

Keiko being closer to Lauren's age than Alexis' might have something to do with that.  I remembered being so surprised that she was 34 when GG started and was playing a teenager.

I knew Keiko was closer to Lauren's age, but 34?! That would've made her older then Lauren. I thought she was in her late 20s at the beginning of the show.

[Kohola3]

6 hours ago, HeySandyStrange said:

I knew Keiko was closer to Lauren's age, but 34?! That would've made her older then Lauren. I thought she was in her late 20s at the beginning of the show.

Oops, I misspoke (mis-wroe?).  Keiko was born in 1973 and the show ended in 2007 meaning she'd  be 34 at that time.  She would have been 27 when it started.  Lauren would have been 33 at the start and Alexis would have been 19. 

So still closer in age to Lauren than Alexis

[readster]

59 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

Oops, I misspoke (mis-wroe?).  Keiko was born in 1973 and the show ended in 2007 meaning she'd  be 34 at that time.  She would have been 27 when it started.  Lauren would have been 33 at the start and Alexis would have been 19. 

So still closer in age to Lauren than Alexis

Some actors can just look the part, however Keiko looks more closer to late 30s now and she is a year younger than my wife. In the revival I looked and went: "Oh, she is going to look like the mother of two children now." My mother made a joke: "Oh, now she doesn't have to pretend to be ten years younger anymore." Then again, I believe everyone from the show has all aged well. I do feel bad it took until Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 for Sean Gunn to start getting more acting roles. He was here and there since the show ended.