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[auntjess]

Watched American Monster, the one about the Vermont public tv couple, and can't believe that this case qualified as an "American monster."
That label should be saved for BTKs and John Wayne Gacy, NOT some who was pushed beyond limit by an immature, irresponsible, spouse.
I did agree with the manslaughter verdict.

Edited August 11, 2017 by auntjess

[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, ratgirlagogo said:

I wish there was some way I could volunteer to be on some kind of Influencer Panel that would allow me to YELL my opinion that all y'all would improve ID's programing.  Kee-rist.

Unfortunately, Disco's version of an "Influencer Panel" consists of generic surveys along the lines of "Which Show Title Would Interest You" ; e.g. : 

(a) Science Pranks

(b) Pranked by Science

(c) Science Hijinks

(d) Punked by Science

(e) Fuck Off & Die By Science (OK, not really, but I wish)

followed by a description of some dumb show that has pseudo scientists playing stupid jokes on each other.  Then asks the same questions about show titles, now that you "know" what the show is about.  The only good thing about the survey is your ability to rate your interest in said shitshow from 1 to 5 (the only drawback is the inability to give it a negative 10).  Plus, you cannot convey your Canadian pronunciation of "about".

Needless to say, I use up all available characters in the "Comments" section of said surveys - to no avail, I'm afraid, since the majority of said characters are used up with expletives.

I keep responding in hopes of getting questions about a new ID show, just so I can give them a truncated version of our very own "ID Channel Show Titles" list.  I'm still waiting ...

I have no Life.  

[Maizie131]

10 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

One of my least favorite ID shows (and there's a LOT of them!).

Couldn't agree more, Walnutqueen!  What I've been doing for many months now while watching damn near any show on ID is watching the first 5 minutes to learn the victim's name, then googling (sp?) to read about the outcome.  Then I promptly delete the stupid show from my DVR.  Saves countless hours of my time & I'm not pissed off at having lost those precious minutes!  No muss, no fuss.  Must admit I'll forever be spoiled by the half-hour format of Forensic Files and one of the best narrators that ever lived...Peter Thomas. 

On a positive note, there are 2 upcoming shows on A&E that I will be watching from start to finish:  August 15th @ 9:00:  the premiere of Leah Remini's 2nd season of her expose' on Scientology (which IS true crime, in my opinion), followed @ 10:00 by The Murder of Laci Peterson, where I believe someone will be interviewing her fucking scumbag husband who murdered her from San Quentin Death Row.  Both shows must-see-TV for sure!

[KellsBells]

9 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

You're ghosting me, aren't you?!   :-)

 

Not a bit. I've never heard of that Influencer panel, but it doesn't sound like it's something anyone important pays attention to. I've never written for TV, but it might be something to look into. After all, they're obviously scripting new series; why not check into how all that works? 

 

8 hours ago, auntjess said:

Watched American Monster, the one about the Vermont public tv couple, and can't believe that this case qualified as an "American monster."
That label should be saved for BTKs and John Wayne Gacy, NOT some who was pushed neyond limit by an immature, irresponsible, spouse.
I did agree with the manslaughter verdict.

I have not watched any of the American Monster shows -- who are the Vermont public TV couple? I'm intrigued by the commercials, but I guess I'm not around to DVR it when I'm actually home. ETA: Never mind, I just figured it out, it didn't come up the first time I searched. I agree, what's "monstrous" about that? It's a fairly banal story. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by KellsBells

[One Tough Cookie]

Has anyone watched the Son of Sam 2 hour last weekend?

I lived in NY during that time, Brooklyn. Paranoia was rampant. Every girl with long hair seemed to be his prey.  My friend and I had long hair and we always went out on Saturday nights. Our husbands would be giving us the business about either cutting our hair or putting it up in a bun.  Our answer was always "He doesn't come to Brooklyn". Well he came and shot Stacy and Robert and we suddenly developed a liking for pony tails. I cannot tell you how freaked out everyone was. No one felt safe. When he was arrested the entire city gave a collective sigh of relief.  We thought he was a huge monster  but he turned out to be a little insignificant creep. So NYers have been paying for this bastards upkeep since 1977.  Someone  inside sliced his throat; unfortunately the slash wasn't deep enough.

It's been 40 years and it absolutely KILLS ME to see that monster on tv putting on his act.

Edited August 10, 2017 by One Tough Cookie

[KellsBells]

5 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Has anyone watched the Son of Sam 2 hour last weekend?

I lived in NY during that time, Brooklyn. Paranoia was rampant. Every girl with long hair seemed to be his prey.  My friend and I had long hair and we always went out on Saturday nights. Our husbands would be giving us the business about either cutting our hair or putting it up in a bun.  Our answer was always "He doesn't come to Brooklyn". Well he came and shot Stacy and Robert and we suddenly developed a liking for pony tails. I cannot tell you how freaked out everyone was. No one felt safe. When he was arrested the entire city gave a collective sigh of relief.  We thought he was a huge monster  but he turned out to be a little insignificant creep. So NYers have been paying for this bastards upkeep since 1977.  Someone  inside sliced his throat; unfortunately the slash wasn't deep enough.

It's been 40 years and it absolutely KILLS ME to see that monster on tv putting on his act.

I literally just turned this on to watch. I taped it a while back and it's been sitting on my DVR. I remember this, but I lived in  California at the time. Our boogeyman then was the Original Night Stalker.

[KellsBells]

26 minutes ago, Midnight Sun said:

Ugh, Richard Ramirez. What a shit stain. The things he did to the victims were horrific. The book I read about him gave me the creeps - and this is coming from someone who has read/heard about, and watched documentaries about some awful crimes.

Not Ramirez, I'm talking about the ORIGINAL night stalker. He committed something like 50 rapes/murders (that they know of) and has never been caught. Ramirez was later. Too much creepiness and evil for one world. 

[slensam]

Wasn't Ramirez the "Night Strangler"?

[auntjess]

If I remember a case well, I don't have any interest in rewatching it, so I skipped OJ, Son of Sam, and Unabmber, also JonBenet.
 

[One Tough Cookie]

9 hours ago, KellsBells said:

Our boogeyman then was the Original Night Stalker

Do you have any links?

[KellsBells]

45 minutes ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Do you have any links?

I do indeed. Here is the FBI's latest attempt to figure out the identity of the Original Night Stalker, who was also called the East Area Rapist and the Golden State Killer: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/help-us-catch-the-east-area-rapist. Obviously, he has not been caught and will likely never be. 

I don't know if you've ever heard of the comedian Patton Oswalt? his wife, Michelle McNamara, was working on a huge project trying to figure out who the Golden State Killer was when she died. It was on TV quite a bit in the last year or so. 

[TheGreenWave]

On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 8:23 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I tried another episode of the Unabomber series......couldn't finish it.  It's a shame too.  It had such potential.  It just got sacked down with poor vision and writing.  Maybe, the budget was limited. 

Yeah, I can't decide how I feel about this yet....I didn't know the origin of "eat your cake and have it too" so it wasn't a total loss....

[One Tough Cookie]

3 hours ago, KellsBells said:

I do indeed. Here is the FBI's latest attempt to figure out the identity of the Original Night Stalker, who was also called the East Area Rapist and the Golden State Killer: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/help-us-catch-the-east-area-rapist. Obviously, he has not been caught and will likely never be. 

I don't know if you've ever heard of the comedian Patton Oswalt? his wife, Michelle McNamara, was working on a huge project trying to figure out who the Golden State Killer was when she died. It was on TV quite a bit in the last year or so. 

Absolutely fascinating and scary.  I remember reading John Douglas's book where he talked about BTK.  He didn't think that case would ever be solved but Rader's ego got the better of him.  Maybe that article will activate the Night Stalker I.  All those victims and her families deserve justice.

And as for Ramirez--I hope he's tpdncing in hell while he's holding hot plates.

[Brattinella]

9 minutes ago, One Tough Cookie said:

And as for Ramirez--I hope he's tpdncing in hell while he's holding hot plates.

I have WAY darker hopes for Mister Ramirez.

[andromeda331]

On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 7:36 PM, KellsBells said:

Trying to watch A Perfect Murder. So freaking irritating. The worst of the worst: bad acting, bad plots, bad "dramatic" (NOT!) devices. An infomercial would be more interesting. Oh, and terrible writing. Gag me. 

My dad and I have been having so much snarking and mocking each episode because their so bad.  

[KellsBells]

On 8/10/2017 at 5:00 AM, Maizie131 said:

On a positive note, there are 2 upcoming shows on A&E that I will be watching from start to finish:  August 15th @ 9:00:  the premiere of Leah Remini's 2nd season of her expose' on Scientology (which IS true crime, in my opinion), followed @ 10:00 by The Murder of Laci Peterson, where I believe someone will be interviewing her fucking scumbag husband who murdered her from San Quentin Death Row.  Both shows must-see-TV for sure!

I'm looking forward to those too. I just started watching season one of the Scientology doc. You're right, it's a crime that's ongoing. 

[Sarah D. Bunting]

We'll be talking about The Murder Of Laci Peterson on The Blotter Presents this week -- Kim Reed is back with another local-crime story, so don't miss it!

[Josette]

If you've been watching the Unabomber series on ID, you'll need to tune in to Discovery for the rest of it starting tonight.

[Brattinella]

I cannot understand these people who are defending Scott Peterson.  He is a monster who justifiably is sentenced to death. 

[Jaded]

I didn't realize this Scott Peterson thing was going to be a "limited series" event.

Just saw a commercial for something similar based on Natalee Holloway's disappearance and probable murder that's going to be on the Oxygen network.

It hit me tonight how long ago these crimes actually occurred. It didn't feel like it had been so long in either case.

[smittykins]

On 7/26/2017 at 6:31 PM, smittykins said:

[small voice]I like the Dateline/20/20 reruns.[/sv]

On Monday, OWN rebroadcast Dateline's Shattered Bonds, in which a young father was killed by his ex-wife's father so she wouldn't have to share their daughter, then while she was in prison awaiting trial, she had her mother attempt to arrange a hit on her ex-mother-in-law, who had custody of the baby.  Hearing about the control she exerted on their child's upbringing, and listening  to tapes of her talking with the victim(where she flat out tells him "You're right, it's my way or the highway, asshole")?  That bitch crazy.

I apologize for harping on this episode, but I'm watching it again, and at one point, they show a portion of what appears to be the shared-custody agreement on the screen, and it says that the child's mother will provide the food for her daughter during her visits with her father.  She didn't even trust him to feed her properly. SMH

[TheGreenWave]

12 hours ago, Brattinella said:

I cannot understand these people who are defending Scott Peterson.  He is a monster who justifiably is sentenced to death. 

Although I think they are all this family and one defense attorney, so I kinda get it.  But, what did you think about the reporter refuting the police conclusion that the robbery happened while he was actually standing outside their house and he didn't see anything (on the 26th as opposed to eye witness saying the 24th)?  I'm sure not planning to argue that he is not the murderer, but that does not reflect well on the Modesto PD if they got that huge angle wrong.  And the dog running around with the leash and all muddy in the neighborhood?  Do you think Scott would have the wherewithal to plan that someone would find the dog and put him back in the yard?  Admittedly, if he did let the dog go in the park assuming he would make it home and essentially back up the Laci walking the dog alibi, that is pretty f***ing sick and sociopathic.

[Brattinella]

Dear God, the Scott Peterson thing is a SERIES?  Good grief!  Trial, guilty, death penalty, the end!

 

@GreenWave, I missed that part I guess.  Doesn't change my opinion.  I lived through this.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Brattinella

[spiderpig]

I wasn't aware this was airing until promos during Leah Remini's series which I'm watching this morning.

They recovered Laci's remains a few miles from where I live (on a shoreline where I've walked), so I have a real interest in this series.  Every detail was on the Bay Area news outlets from Laci's disappearance until the conviction. I drove by San Quentin daily for years on the way to work.  

So I'm about to hunker down and watch.

[ButterQueen]

I'm pissed.  Of all the shows on the ID channel, the one to cover the murder of my beloved Washington Redskin, Sean Taylor, is Perfect Murder.  Ugh!  ???

[auntjess]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

I'm pissed.  Of all the shows on the ID channel, the one to cover the murder of my beloved Washington Redskin, Sean Taylor, is Perfect Murder.  Ugh!  ???

Know what you mean.  "Maybe, an alien came down and killed him," or was it mistaken identity by a hitman?
But they're bound to redo it on another show. 

[Otter]

On 8/16/2017 at 7:13 AM, TheGreenWave said:

ScottAlthough I think they are all this family and one defense attorney, so I kinda get it.  But, what did you think about the reporter refuting the police conclusion that the robbery happened while he was actually standing outside their house and he didn't see anything (on the 26th as opposed to eye witness saying the 24th)?  I'm sure not planning to argue that he is not the murderer, but that does not reflect well on the Modesto PD if they got that huge angle wrong.  And the dog running around with the leash and all muddy in the neighborhood?  Do you think Scott would have the wherewithal to plan that someone would find the dog and put him back in the yard?  Admittedly, if he did let the dog go in the park assuming he would make it home and essentially back up the Laci walking the dog alibi, that is pretty f***ing sick and sociopathic.

Scott is the biggest victims of circumstances EVER!  

That burglary was investigated to death, so was the old lady's eye witness testimony.  

He went golf-fishing in his secret boat that he bought when having  major financial problems even without baby Coner on the way .  Laci seemed to be high maintenance already and add in the baby.   He told someone he was hoping for infertility.  

And all the stuff in his trunk.  I'm surprised Amber is still alive,  

[Queena]

I was shocked to see Michele Whitaker on Gone. Last I heard, she refused to make contact with her family. l

[renatae]

On 8/10/2017 at 0:41 AM, walnutqueen said:

Unfortunately, Disco's version of an "Influencer Panel" consists of generic surveys along the lines of "Which Show Title Would Interest You" ; e.g. : 

Thanks for the heads up! In case anyone ever bothers to invite me to such a panel, I can say up front, "Not interested in surveys concerning 'We are considering producing the following crapfest, which title do you prefer?'"

Regarding The Murder of Laci Peterson, it's about impossible to believe they are promoting the burglars as suspects. They were across the street maybe the same day, and I suppose in their spare time, they saw Laci somewhere in the neighborhood and decided to up the ante just for the hell of it, and just so happened to put her in the same body of water Scott decided to fish in for what, the first time in his life? I laugh every time I hear him say it was too cold to play golf, so at the last minute he decided that would be a great day for fishing, you know, out in the wind on a lake, because that's so much warmer. Not to mention, of course, all the other nonsense that was going on with his statements to Amber, etc.

I guess they'll do anything to get attention for a new show crapfest. The title I prefer is, Would you believe...Scott Peterson Tells All?

Edited August 22, 2017 by renatae

[psychoticstate]

I'm not surprised there are people out there that believe Scott Peterson is not guilty - - after all, some people still believe OJ didn't do it.  However, I will not watch that program.  I remember vividly when Laci disappeared and I kept up with the investigation and sad discovery.  

Career burglars don't want to interact with people. They want to break into your home or car when you're not around and take your stuff.  They would not abduct a pregnant woman and then kill her.   That goes without Laci's sister saying that the clothing found on Laci's body was the clothing she was wearing the last day she was seen alive (which would indicate that she was killed that day, in those clothes and not the next day, while out walking the dog.)  And, as @Otter and @renatae pointed out, Scott had purchased a boat that Laci knew nothing about.  He had visited websites that had something to do with the channel and water direction. He decided to go fishing, alone, on Christmas Eve, on a cold and windy day, leaving his pregnant wife at home.  Uh-huh.  He then returned from this fishing trip and, finding Laci not at home, called her family to say she was missing.  Why would he say "missing?"  Why wouldn't he ask if she were with them? 

Oh, and yes . . . he was having an affair with Amber, and he told her that he had "lost" his wife.  

After Laci's disappearance, he used Connor's nursery to store stuff in.  He also pretended to be at the Eiffel Tower in Paris on New Year's Eve while talking to Amber on his phone, when he was actually attending a vigil for Laci in Modesto. 

And he was arrested very close to the Mexican border, with newly dyed hair, camping gear and a nice wad of bills. 

Yep, that certainly sounds like someone who is innocent and has been railroaded. 

[TheGreenWave]

I really didn't pay much attention to the Laci Peterson story when it was actually happening ( I know, right?), so some of this stuff was new to me.  As I said to Mr. Green Wave last night, from watching it, I definitely know which way A&E is trying to swing popular opinion. (well, at least with the first two episodes!)  After discussing the dog walking eyewitnesses, they cut to one of the lead detectives and he looked like a total buffoon, saying something like, "I didn't know about eye witnesses, there were eyewitnesses? What eyewitnesses?  Well, I don't know anything about eyewitnesses."  Yeesh bad editing (or, purposeful editing?).  Then the police "body guard" basically admitted that they fed the "hot" reporter information to leak (and dang she was proud of that).  Woosh.  I hope the interviewees were prepared on how their interviews were going to be cut.  Because - really bad.  Also ended on the note that the "first" reporter on the scene thinks Scott is innocent.  Not about the sufficiency of evidence against him, but straight up innocent.  Wow.

14 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

That goes without Laci's sister saying that the clothing found on Laci's body was the clothing she was wearing the last day she was seen alive (which would indicate that she was killed that day, in those clothes and not the next day, while out walking the dog.)

I wondered this out loud because I was thinking that whatever she was wearing when her body was found would be the best indicator of when the murder happened.  Thanks!

[spiderpig]

California doesn't invoke the death penalty lightly, even though it hasn't been applied in years.  (I used to drive by San Quentin daily when the DP was reinstated, and the media was all over the place and sharpshooters were visible up in the guard towers.)

Anyway, I was curious about California executions since I haven't heard about any in years.  The waitlist is huge.  Here's the link if you're curious:

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/capital_punishment/docs/condemnedinmatelistsecure.pdf

I was amazed that you have to scroll down to page 21 to get to Scott Peterson.

[Cherrio]

On 8/10/2017 at 6:43 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

Has anyone watched the Son of Sam 2 hour last weekend?

I know my response is late, but I just found this forum.

I watched and like you lived thru it all so it brought back a zillion memories.

I had a co-worker who came in to work very shaken the day after Robert and Stacey were shot.  She had been asked out by Robert, but turned him down. I never forgot about her and that day.

Also, the night they brought him to the detention center, I lived a block away and remember the huge crowds in the area.

[spiderpig]

7 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

I know my response is late, but I just found this forum.

I watched and like you lived thru it all so it brought back a zillion memories.

I had a co-worker who came in to work very shaken the day after Robert and Stacey were shot.  She had been asked out by Robert, but turned him down. I never forgot about her and that day.

Also, the night they brought him to the detention center, I lived a block away and remember the huge crowds in the area.

Late to the party here, but what network is showing SOS?

I remember it vividly, along with all the weird cult references that popped up over the years.

[ButterQueen]

15 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

I'm not surprised there are people out there that believe Scott Peterson is not guilty - - after all, some people still believe OJ didn't do it.  However, I will not watch that program.  I remember vividly when Laci disappeared and I kept up with the investigation and sad discovery.  

Career burglars don't want to interact with people. They want to break into your home or car when you're not around and take your stuff.  They would not abduct a pregnant woman and then kill her.   That goes without Laci's sister saying that the clothing found on Laci's body was the clothing she was wearing the last day she was seen alive (which would indicate that she was killed that day, in those clothes and not the next day, while out walking the dog.)  And, as @Otter and @renatae pointed out, Scott had purchased a boat that Laci knew nothing about.  He had visited websites that had something to do with the channel and water direction. He decided to go fishing, alone, on Christmas Eve, on a cold and windy day, leaving his pregnant wife at home.  Uh-huh.  He then returned from this fishing trip and, finding Laci not at home, called her family to say she was missing.  Why would he say "missing?"  Why wouldn't he ask if she were with them? 

Oh, and yes . . . he was having an affair with Amber, and he told her that he had "lost" his wife.  

After Laci's disappearance, he used Connor's nursery to store stuff in.  He also pretended to be at the Eiffel Tower in Paris on New Year's Eve while talking to Amber on his phone, when he was actually attending a vigil for Laci in Modesto. 

And he was arrested very close to the Mexican border, with newly dyed hair, camping gear and a nice wad of bills. 

Yep, that certainly sounds like someone who is innocent and has been railroaded. 

Don't forget his homemade anchors....made at his business.

I hope I am alive when he is put to death.  What a piece of shit.

Shame on A&E for trying to muddy the evidence for ratings.

Edited August 23, 2017 by ButterQueen

[One Tough Cookie]

47 minutes ago, spiderpig said:

Late to the party here, but what network is showing SOS?

I remember it vividly, along with all the weird cult references that popped up over the years.

ID played it and it's On Demand. Maury Terry wrote the definitive book on Sam, and then he tried to link  Sam to Manson. The book is called The Ultimate Evil.

[Lady J]

On 8/15/2017 at 7:29 AM, Josette said:

If you've been watching the Unabomber series on ID, you'll need to tune in to Discovery for the rest of it starting tonight.

I never watch true crime shows, but I have been watching the Unabomber show and I find it interesting.

[psychoticstate]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

Don't forget his homemade anchors....made at his business.

I hope I am alive when he is put to death.  What a piece of shit.

Shame on A&E for trying to muddy the evidence for ratings.

Not sure which network did the show on OJ and the so-called hidden evidence but same thing - - muddy the waters for ratings.  Disgusting.  

I didn't watch the OJ/Hidden Evidence because seriously?  There is nothing hidden with that case.  And I won't watch the program on Scott Peterson because, in my book, he's guilty as homemade sin and I don't need to watch him whine about his innocence or see A&E try to explain how house burglars must have done it.  Barf. 

[spiderpig]

3 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

 And I won't watch the program on Scott Peterson because, in my book, he's guilty as homemade sin and I don't need to watch him whine about his innocence or see A&E try to explain how house burglars must have done it.  Barf. 

Scott Peterson is a classic narcissist.  What I find fascinating about the case is what I find fascinating about so many others - how on earth did he think he could get away with it?

Oh, but then he's so much smarter than the rest of us.

[TheGreenWave]

24 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

didn't watch the OJ/Hidden Evidence because seriously?  There is nothing hidden with that case.  

(hides head in shame) I did watch it.  On the up side, it was so ridiculous that it was hard to watch (the guy who bought the storage unit - complete with alleged murder weapon - was so delusional).  I did like the part in which Nicole's sister, when one of the "investigators" said that there is mounting evidence against Jason Simpson, basically told him to F off and never utter those words again.

23 minutes ago, spiderpig said:

Scott Peterson is a classic narcissist.  What I find fascinating about the case is what I find fascinating about so many others - how on earth did he think he could get away with it?

You know that he planned this for a long time: dog, anchors, emails, parking receipt, voice message.  Check, check, check.  He assumed that all would exonerate him = or, at least, reasonable doubt.  I don't even think Amber was the impetus for his plan (probably just helped him along) - I think it was when Laci got pregnant.

For those of you who did watch (although I think I may be the only one!) - could you believe he tried to relate this to Chandra Levy?  That was bizarre (and, on that note, noticed that they have an upcoming special on her).

[psychoticstate]

3 minutes ago, spiderpig said:

Scott Peterson is a classic narcissist.  What I find fascinating about the case is what I find fascinating about so many others - how on earth did he think he could get away with it?

Oh, but then he's so much smarter than the rest of us.

Yes, he is indeed a classic narcissist.  His wants and needs above all others.

I think he thought he would get away with it because he'd pretty much gotten everything he'd wanted in life.  When he wanted Laci, he got her.  Now he didn't want her anymore so she had to go.  He never intended for her body to be discovered; he likely hoped that she would be just another missing person. 

What is crazy to me is that he never thought anyone would question why he would go fishing, when he never did before, much less in the location he chose and on Christmas Eve.  Doh.

[iMonrey]

It's really laughable what A&E thinks they can get away with on this show, because every time they show some member of Scott Peterson's family or a family friend saying "The police just focused on him once they found out about the girlfriend" I kept saying "Well, duh!" I mean, the more facts they roll out about Scott, his behavior, etc., the more ridiculous people look trying to defend him. 

Now granted, they've got a strong case to make that Nancy Grace is nothing but a self serving, self-styled vigilante ambulance chaser, so maybe that's their angle. But there's a difference between what the media was focused on and what the police were focused on. And there's a misleading disconnect between these "witnesses" who say they saw Laci walking her dog that day and then saying the police never came and talked to them. Um, why should they? Did they even know about you? I'm assuming some of these people came forward and talked to the police . . . in which case, the police did in fact talk to them and judged them to be irrelevant for one reason or another. Otherwise, I'm assuming they "came forward" exclusively for the media and then expressed astonishment the police didn't seek them out. Mind boggling.

After this and the ridiculously one-sided Jon Benet Ramsey special, I'm wondering what nonsense A&E is going to try to pull next. A show about Charles Manson that suggests he wasn't such a bad guy after all? Maybe he was innocent!

[Brattinella]

17 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

A show about Charles Manson that suggests he wasn't such a bad guy after all? Maybe he was innocent!

*Chortling at this*

[Cherrio]

28 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

A show about Charles Manson that suggests he wasn't such a bad guy after all? Maybe he was innocent!

It would be interesting if they brought forth a lot of facts that many people are not aware of.  For example, Manson learned a lot about Scientology and applied it to his mind control techniques. One of the prominent members was an ex Scientologist. Bruce Davis.

[TheGreenWave]

19 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

And there's a misleading disconnect between these "witnesses" who say they saw Laci walking her dog that day and then saying the police never came and talked to them. Um, why should they? Did they even know about you? I'm assuming some of these people came forward and talked to the police . . . in which case, the police did in fact talk to them and judged them to be irrelevant for one reason or another. Otherwise, I'm assuming they "came forward" exclusively for the media and then expressed astonishment the police didn't seek them out. Mind boggling.

I wondered this too.  Some of those "neighbors" were like blocks away.  Does this mean they expected the police to go knocking on their doors randomly or because they actually took the initiative to go to the police station and make statements?  Although perhaps that it a distinction without a difference.  I would never be able to remember the exact day/time when I saw one of my neighbors walking their dog.

 

21 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Now granted, they've got a strong case to make that Nancy Grace is nothing but a self serving, self-styled vigilante ambulance chaser, so maybe that's their angle.

It has to be.  I never really cared for her style, but, similar to the other reporters and the police detectives interviewed, she was painted pretty oddly in the final cut of this episode (although the clips of her from her days as a prosecutor in addition to the ones where she was reporting on Peterson didn't do her any favors).

52 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

After this and the ridiculously one-sided Jon Benet Ramsey special, I'm wondering what nonsense A&E is going to try to pull next. A show about Charles Manson that suggests he wasn't such a bad guy after all? Maybe he was innocent!

They have to be screwing with us!  HA HA!

[spiderpig]

3 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

Yes, he is indeed a classic narcissist.  His wants and needs above all others.

I think he thought he would get away with it because he'd pretty much gotten everything he'd wanted in life.  When he wanted Laci, he got her.  Now he didn't want her anymore so she had to go.  He never intended for her body to be discovered; he likely hoped that she would be just another missing person. 

What is crazy to me is that he never thought anyone would question why he would go fishing, when he never did before, much less in the location he chose and on Christmas Eve.  Doh.

Yep - we've all know characters like him, but we're fortunate enough to still be alive.

I should ask my police detective relative about this.  When did the law enforcement officers feel that Scott did it (other than immediately), and how did they trace the evidence?  (Relative is in another state, so I don't think he would be falling afoul of any legal confidentialities.)

I've served on multiple juries and still recall the first case where the judge explained circumstantial evidence:

Johnny is in the kitchen and a cookie jar is on the table.

Witness hears sound of something crashing in the kitchen.  Broken cookie jar is on the floor.  Johnny has crumbs around his mouth.

Nobody saw Johnny actually consume the cookies.  

It's reasonable to assume that Johnny ate the cookies and knocked the jar off the table.

So much for my formal legal training.

[psychoticstate]

14 minutes ago, spiderpig said:

Yep - we've all know characters like him, but we're fortunate enough to still be alive.

I should ask my police detective relative about this.  When did the law enforcement officers feel that Scott did it (other than immediately), and how did they trace the evidence?  (Relative is in another state, so I don't think he would be falling afoul of any legal confidentialities.)

I've served on multiple juries and still recall the first case where the judge explained circumstantial evidence:

Johnny is in the kitchen and a cookie jar is on the table.

Witness hears sound of something crashing in the kitchen.  Broken cookie jar is on the floor.  Johnny has crumbs around his mouth.

Nobody saw Johnny actually consume the cookies.  

It's reasonable to assume that Johnny ate the cookies and knocked the jar off the table.

So much for my formal legal training.

I would think Scott was a suspect from day one.  He's Laci's husband; whenever a person is killed, look to the spouse first.  And she was pregnant, a time when women are the most susceptible to violence from a spouse.  

I think until they knew of Amber Frey and then found Laci and Connor's remains, it was solely circumstantial but once you added those factors in with his alibi and his body language and remarks, he was done. 

[ButterQueen]

4 hours ago, TheGreenWave said:

(hides head in shame) I did watch it.  On the up side, it was so ridiculous that it was hard to watch (the guy who bought the storage unit - complete with alleged murder weapon - was so delusional).  I did like the part in which Nicole's sister, when one of the "investigators" said that there is mounting evidence against Jason Simpson, basically told him to F off and never utter those words again.

You know that he planned this for a long time: dog, anchors, emails, parking receipt, voice message.  Check, check, check.  He assumed that all would exonerate him = or, at least, reasonable doubt.  I don't even think Amber was the impetus for his plan (probably just helped him along) - I think it was when Laci got pregnant.

For those of you who did watch (although I think I may be the only one!) - could you believe he tried to relate this to Chandra Levy?  That was bizarre (and, on that note, noticed that they have an upcoming special on her).

He also secretly bought the boat from a man with the last name Peterson.  

[KellsBells]

I've been watching the Laci Peterson mini-series. It's pretty interesting, but I fast-forwarded through the Nancy Grace "I'm a tangential victim" soliloquy. Can't stand that woman. 

[spiderpig]

29 minutes ago, KellsBells said:

I've been watching the Laci Peterson mini-series. It's pretty interesting, but I fast-forwarded through the Nancy Grace "I'm a tangential victim" soliloquy. Can't stand that woman. 

I can't stand her snarly self either.  Mercifully, she doesn't show up much any more on the stuff I watch regularly.

Who was it anyway who coined the phrase "Nancy Grace's flaming nostrils of doom"?

Edited August 24, 2017 by spiderpig