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[auntjess]

On 12/7/2018 at 10:08 PM, Brattinella said:

The old bait and switch.  I'm done with it too.  They did such a good job on the Louisiana one, though.

Do you mean the Eugenie murder, with Rhodie Sanchez?
I'd listen to him to anything.  He really should be hired to narrate some of these shows.  I love the cajun accent.

[Brattinella]

3 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Do you mean the Eugenie murder, with Rhodie Sanchez?
I'd listen to him to anything.  He really should be hired to narrate some of these shows.  I love the cajun accent.

Yes!  That was so good, and I love his voice as well.

[walnutqueen]

That Gacy show starts tonight on ID - it's called "Deadly Legacy" and is about the cold case cop investigating the 8 unidentified victims.

[atlantaloves]

Okay the Dirty John series is just Lifetime porn....those of us who know the case will laugh at this shite. 

[kathyk24]

7 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

That Gacy show starts tonight on ID - it's called "Deadly Legacy" and is about the cold case cop investigating the 8 unidentified victims.

The Gacy show was heartbreaking. I hope they can identify all of the victims.

[tobeannounced]

I wasn't going to watch the Gacy show because, like, what else can they say about it? But it was from the angle of cold case detectives trying to identify the last eight unknown victims through modern technology. I thought it was very compelling. Glad I didn't skip it.

[TaraS1]

I don't know why, but Gacy is one of those cases/killers that I just can't handle watching anything about.  Same for Dahmer and Richard Speck.  They're just too grotesque for me to deal with, even as much as I "love" (you know what I mean) every other kind of true crime.   

[atlantaloves]

I agree Tara, those guys you mentioned were too sick even for me, and I love love love true crime shows and serial killers, God don't ask, I'm just an old lady getting her kicks in retirement!  

[Annber03]

I know the general outline of the Gacy case, but it's never one I really got into the details of much, so there was a lot in this special that was new to me. I thought this was going to be a story about unsolved cases they thought could've been tied to Gacy after the fact. I didn't realize there were some victims of his that had never been properly identified. But I'm so glad that these detectives are working to try and bring closure to those remaining victims' families at long last. Laura's entire story made me cry. That poor woman. Her poor family. 

And the description of the detectives first going into Gacy's home, and all the chaos in the days that followed was just...my god. I hear about these guys exploring Gacy's home, or the investigators who first had to explore Dahmer and Gein's places-how the hell do they even begin to cope with any of the horrible things they saw there? The nightmares they must've had. 

Spoiler

Also, there's a really twisted sort of dark humor in that photo the detective showed of Gacy hanging out with a convicted governor. What are the odds? 

[Pebble Puppy]

On 11/30/2018 at 8:37 PM, sskrill said:

I was thinking last night that maybe he was someone well known or prominent, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  Still seems odd - we've seen plenty of shows where they throw around names of people who are ultimately found to be innocent.  Although, nothing about this story leads me to believe he didn't do it.  I'm guessing there's a wide swath of carnage in this guys past.

Glad its not just me having trouble with the sound, but weird that its different providers....?

If he owns a lot of land, maybe his family is/was prominent in the area. Just speculating. At this point his parents might be gone but he may have siblings.

[Pebble Puppy]

8 hours ago, TaraS1 said:

I don't know why, but Gacy is one of those cases/killers that I just can't handle watching anything about.  Same for Dahmer and Richard Speck.  They're just too grotesque for me to deal with, even as much as I "love" (you know what I mean) every other kind of true crime.   

Agree completely. It's very hard to imagine letting justice run it's course when you try to put yourself in the shoes of these family members. I'm not sure I'd still be walking free.

[ridethemaverick]

Re: last night's People Magazine Investigates...I would be far too ashamed to go on national TV and admit "the killer told me 20 years ago that he killed that girl but I didn't tell anybody because I thought he was kidding/nobody asked me/I forgot/just never got around to it."

[LuvMyShows]

I am catching up on some old ID series, and just saw a Murder Book episode on Reyna Marroquin, better known as the pregnant woman in the barrel.  It got me to wondering, what murder has been covered the most in different TV shows?  I think it's this one.  But a close runner-up is Anne Stout, who killed her husband and tried to frame the woman (Barbara Miller) he re-connected with at a class reunion and had a brief affair with, by sending emails that were supposedly from Barbara using a weird screen name (Anne used a memorable/weird email alias but I can only remember that it was 'Ark of' something). 

[funky-rat]

On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 10:54 AM, TaraS1 said:

I don't know why, but Gacy is one of those cases/killers that I just can't handle watching anything about.  Same for Dahmer and Richard Speck.  They're just too grotesque for me to deal with, even as much as I "love" (you know what I mean) every other kind of true crime.   

I watch Gacy stuff occasionally, mainly because I find the investigative end interesting, so if the show appears to focus more on that, I'm in.  Otherwise, no. Ditto on Dahmer, Speck, the DC Sniper, The Unabomber, Ed Gein, and Jodi Arias (because I just can't handle her).  I nope out of most Casey Anthony stuff too for the same reasons as Arias.

8 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

I am catching up on some old ID series, and just saw a Murder Book episode on Reyna Marroquin, better known as the pregnant woman in the barrel.  It got me to wondering, what murder has been covered the most in different TV shows?  I think it's this one.  But a close runner-up is Anne Stout, who killed her husband and tried to frame the woman (Barbara Miller) he re-connected with at a class reunion and had a brief affair with, by sending emails that were supposedly from Barbara using a weird screen name (Anne used a memorable/weird email alias but I can only remember that it was 'Ark of' something). 

I saw yet another show on Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka this week (Murder Made Me Famous - not sure what channel it airs on).  The thing about them is that they never get in to the backstory on either of them, which is much more interesting.  Karla's family life growing up was odd at best, and Paul's was worse (which does NOT excuse things, but does put more pieces of the puzzle together).  They also never mention that Paul financed their lavish lifestyle through various illegal enterprises.  This show touched briefly on Paul's bizarre homelife (not much) but said Karla's was "normal".  Nope.

Other ones I've seen on multiple shows were George Trepal (Mensa member who poisoned neighbors), Stella Nickel (tampered with husband's Excedrin), The Tylenol Murders (still unsolved), Lauria Bible and her friend whose name escapes me (they recently think they finally know what happened to them), The Rogers Women killed by Oba Chandler (I always watch anything about them, it's one of my "favorite" cases, not for what happened to them, but how they caught their killer - excellent investigative work - and another case that has a really interesting backstory that they never get in to), Lori Aucker (another one I always watch because this happened right down the road from me, and I remember Lori working at the mall), the guy in Florida who murdered prostitutes and they caught him because his dog chewed up cigarette butts - his name escapes me, Darlie Rouiter, and others that I'm sure I am missing.

[Jordan61]

Is anyone watching Body Cam? For those who didn't watch last night I will spoiler tag:

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I could not believe the guy was running, fired two shots OVER HIS SHOULDER, and hit and killed the two cops chasing him. I can't imagine what the odds were of that happening.

 

The thing that gets me about this show is how FAST these things happen, especially the guy pulling the knife on the highway and the other guy from the liquor store the cop was following who pulled a gun.

[Pebble Puppy]

25 minutes ago, Jordan61 said:

Is anyone watching Body Cam? For those who didn't watch last night I will spoiler tag:

  Reveal hidden contents

I could not believe the guy was running, fired two shots OVER HIS SHOULDER, and hit and killed the two cops chasing him. I can't imagine what the odds were of that happening.

 

The thing that gets me about this show is how FAST these things happen, especially the guy pulling the knife on the highway and the other guy from the liquor store the cop was following who pulled a gun.

I am glad they are doing this show.  It's from the perspective of the cop and shows how they have to make split second decisions and often when shots are fired, nothing is made of it until it becomes a race issue. It shouldn't be about race, ever! 

[LuvMyShows]

5 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Other ones I've seen on multiple shows were George Trepal (Mensa member who poisoned neighbors), Stella Nickel (tampered with husband's Excedrin), The Tylenol Murders (still unsolved), Lauria Bible and her friend whose name escapes me (they recently think they finally know what happened to them), The Rogers Women killed by Oba Chandler (I always watch anything about them, it's one of my "favorite" cases, not for what happened to them, but how they caught their killer - excellent investigative work - and another case that has a really interesting backstory that they never get in to), Lori Aucker (another one I always watch because this happened right down the road from me, and I remember Lori working at the mall), the guy in Florida who murdered prostitutes and they caught him because his dog chewed up cigarette butts - his name escapes me, Darlie Rouiter, and others that I'm sure I am missing.

Yes, George Trepal the Mensa member and Oba Chandler are others I've seen multiple times.

[auntjess]

14 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

I am catching up on some old ID series, and just saw a Murder Book episode on Reyna Marroquin, better known as the pregnant woman in the barrel.  It got me to wondering, what murder has been covered the most in different TV shows?  I think it's this one.  But a close runner-up is Anne Stout, who killed her husband and tried to frame the woman (Barbara Miller) he re-connected with at a class reunion and had a brief affair with, by sending emails that were supposedly from Barbara using a weird screen name (Anne used a memorable/weird email alias but I can only remember that it was 'Ark of' something). 

I have seen the barrel body one a lot, but the premise is catchy, and I see why.   I most liked the one that really focused on the Newsday reporter, and his connecting with her family.
My favorite is Col.Russell Williams.  Maybe I keep hoping that one version will finally call out his wife, for not wondering what was in all those file cabinets and boxes in the garage.
The one where the jealous ex dresses as a man, and shoots the wife, has been on several times.
The barefoot guy who killed the guy, then raped his girlfriend has been on a lot.
Woman cop who killed ex's wife, and got away with it for years.
"Roc" in blood, on the wall.  I keep yelling 

Spoiler

Ignore the wall, check the pizza for DNA!

[funky-rat]

This article won a Pulitzer.  It's in multiple parts, and long, but a good read.  You may have to go back to the first page to find the different chapters.  As it's archived ,you may not be able to get from one to the other as easily.  It's about the Rogers women.  There's also a book about them titled "Death Cruise" that is a really good read.

https://web.archive.org/web/20081222185051/http://www2.sptimes.com:80/Angels_Demons/default.html

[Jordan61]

Half the time when I'm watching something on ID I'm like, I already saw this case on Snapped!

[Pebble Puppy]

11 minutes ago, Jordan61 said:

Half the time when I'm watching something on ID I'm like, I already saw this case on Snapped!

I agree. I feel like I've seen all the cases on Dateline, 48 hours, ID. They all do the same ones. Surely there are cases out there we have never heard of?

[LuvMyShows]

5 hours ago, auntjess said:

"Roc" in blood, on the wall.  I keep yelling 

  Reveal hidden contents

Ignore the wall, check the pizza for DNA!

Forgot about Roc...it's probably my #3.  

A few more: 

• Michelle Theer, who had her lover, John Diamond, kill her Air Force captain husband in Fayetteville, NC at Fort Bragg, as he was walking up the stairs to her private-practice office when she had them stop by on their way home because she said she forgot something, and she took too long while he was waiting in the car
• Scum-bucket low-life pastor David Love, who murdered his lover Teresa Stone's husband Randy, who was also his best friend.
• Chiquita Tate, the lawyer who handled a lot of lowlife clients, but her husband murdered her in her office, and he made it seem like maybe someone snuck into the office building when he propped the front door open
• Ann Miller who poisoned her husband Eric with arsenic, including in his beer at a bowling alley
• Pamela Phillips who had her husband Gary Triano killed (by a guy who recorded all their phone conversations) with a pipe bomb explosion in his car

[Jordan61]

Oh, the Susan Powell special. Watching that tape of them interviewing little Charlie just broke my heart, knowing what was going to happen to him. Those poor babies.

[Brattinella]

Such a monster.  I would like to kill him over and over and over again.  I hope he boils in hell forever.

[nokat]

I'm kind of both hating and loving the Cold Valley episodes. No cheesy recreations, but an entire town who knows they have a serial killer.

 

3 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Forgot about Roc...it's probably my #3. 

A few more:

• Michelle Theer, who had her lover, John Diamond, kill her Air Force captain husband in Fayetteville, NC at Fort Bragg, as he was walking up the stairs to her private-practice office when she had them stop by on their way home because she said she forgot something, and she took too long while he was waiting in the car
• Scum-bucket low-life pastor David Love, who murdered his lover Teresa Stone's husband Randy, who was also his best friend.
• Chiquita Tate, the lawyer who handled a lot of lowlife clients, but her husband murdered her in her office, and he made it seem like maybe someone snuck into the office building when he propped the front door open
• Ann Miller who poisoned her husband Eric with arsenic, including in his beer at a bowling alley
• Pamela Phillips who had her husband Gary Triano killed (by a guy who recorded all their phone conversations) with a pipe bomb explosion in his car

Scum bucket low-life, you speak my language.
 

Edited December 13, 2018 by nokat

[Jordan61]

1 hour ago, Brattinella said:

Such a monster.  I would like to kill him over and over and over again.  I hope he boils in hell forever.

I went to the Wikipedia article and COULD NOT BELIEVE his mom & sister tried to have Susan declared legally dead so they could claim a portion of her estate! As my husband said while we were watching, "what the hell is wrong with this family?!"

[walnutqueen]

9 hours ago, Brattinella said:

Such a monster.  I would like to kill him over and over and over again.  I hope he boils in hell forever.

Him and his creepy fuck of a father.

[tobeannounced]

18 hours ago, funky-rat said:

This article won a Pulitzer.  It's in multiple parts, and long, but a good read.  You may have to go back to the first page to find the different chapters.  As it's archived ,you may not be able to get from one to the other as easily.  It's about the Rogers women.  There's also a book about them titled "Death Cruise" that is a really good read.

https://web.archive.org/web/20081222185051/http://www2.sptimes.com:80/Angels_Demons/default.html

This is one of those cases that has always haunted me, such horrific deaths.

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

Him and his creepy fuck of a father.

I have yet to watch that Powell documentary from last night, but god, that father. What a piece of work. I remember seeing the "Dateline" episode shortly after Susan Powell disappeared, and the whole story was weirding me out as it was (taking your kids out camping in the mountains in a blizzard? Yeah, okay, sure, if you say so).

But holy crap, I was SO skeeved out anytime Josh's dad was being interviewed. I've seen some weird, creepy people on those kinds of shows before, of course, but that guy was just...UGH. He genuinely scared me. So I was not at all surprised later on when it was revealed he had child porn and whatnot on his computer. 

Anytime this case gets mentioned I just keep thinking about Susan's parents. They lose their daughter and grandsons, they don't know where Susan's body is and can't bring her home for a proper burial, there's still a lot of questions they'll never get answers to because Josh and his dad are now dead... My heart goes out to them, and I hope they've had a really good support system around them over the years. 

[funky-rat]

8 minutes ago, tobeannounced said:

This is one of those cases that has always haunted me, such horrific deaths.

I think one reason it grabbed me so much was that I first heard of it on Unsolved Mysteries, which was must-see viewing when I was in high school and college.  Back then, you didn't hear about cases that happened so far away from where you lived.  I went to school in Ohio (but didn't live there when this happened) so local news really played it up.  What struck me hard was that the youngest Rogers daughter looked just like my childhood best friend - it was freaky.  Jo Rogers looked just like a woman who I went to church with, and that woman would have likely been naïve enough to accept an offer from a friendly stranger as well, because I also grew up in a rural area, and many felt they could trust people and took them at face value (not me, but many did).  So it almost became personal in an odd way.  A "That could have been people I knew" way.

Reading up on the case in recent years has answered questions I had, including the cruise where they met their death.  While I understand that Jo Rogers had never been on that kind of vacation in her life and was not really aware of the true evil in the world, I didn't understand her not having some modicum of maternal instinct to protect her daughters, especially what happened to the older daughter (Michelle) that lead up to them taking the vacation to begin with.  But they're now 99% sure that Chandler took them on a daytime cruise to prove he wasn't a threat.  That he could be trusted.  He did the same thing to the Canadian Tourist he assaulted shortly before this incident.  He took her out in the day, and she trusted him enough to go back out with him at night.  They think that the only reason he let her live is because he was set on killing more than one person at a time, and when the Canadian tourist showed up by herself and without the friend she was with, he was angry.

[smittykins]

22 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I have yet to watch that Powell documentary from last night, but god, that father. What a piece of work. I remember seeing the "Dateline" episode shortly after Susan Powell disappeared, and the whole story was weirding me out as it was (taking your kids out camping in the mountains in a blizzard? Yeah, okay, sure, if you say so).

But holy crap, I was SO skeeved out anytime Josh's dad was being interviewed. I've seen some weird, creepy people on those kinds of shows before, of course, but that guy was just...UGH. He genuinely scared me. So I was not at all surprised later on when it was revealed he had child porn and whatnot on his computer. 

Anytime this case gets mentioned I just keep thinking about Susan's parents. They lose their daughter and grandsons, they don't know where Susan's body is and can't bring her home for a proper burial, there's still a lot of questions they'll never get answers to because Josh and his dad are now dead... My heart goes out to them, and I hope they've had a really good support system around them over the years. 

I’m watching it now on my tablet(sometimes I forget I have the app—“Oh crap, I miss-duh, I have the app!”).  I lose it every time I watch the Dateline episode and the social worker goes into the room with the empty car seats.  I feel so horrible for her.

[Brattinella]

I don't know how the social worker will ever get over it, hearing and seeing their last moments.  I pray for her.  I hope she survives intact.

[Annber03]

Same. I wouldn't be surprised to hear she's been even more alert than usual to any weird stuff that happens with families since then-after witnessing something that horrific, I would think that'd have to affect the way you do that kind of work somehow. Either that, or you'd quit, one of the two. 

[Vivigirl10]

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Ditto on Dahmer, Speck, the DC Sniper, The Unabomber, Ed Gein, and Jodi Arias (because I just can't handle her).  I nope out of most Casey Anthony stuff too for the same reasons as Arias.

I cannot watch anything to do with Susan Powell and the aftermath, or the BTK killer.  

Arias is where she belongs but the fact that Casey Anthony walks the streets, just living her life, makes me see red.  

[Brattinella]

5 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

I cannot watch anything to do with Susan Powell and the aftermath, or the BTK killer.  

Arias is where she belongs but the fact that Casey Anthony walks the streets, just living her life, makes me see red.  

Casey Anthony still pisses me the hell off.  Stupid jury, stupid judge.

[CrazyInAlabama]

And her stupid parents too.    I remember reading that when the parents were on Dr. Phil, he didn't pay them, but made a huge 'donation' to their foundation, and later I read that her mom gave her the money.       How a man can stay with a woman who supports the daughter who killed the grandbaby, and tried to blame it on her dad, and claimed he molested Casey for years is beyond understanding.        The allegations the defense attorney made against people were despicable, the man who found the body had nothing to do with it, and the fact that he called the police several times before they actually checked out his tip makes me wonder how incompetent they were.     I feel so sorry for the woman that Casey claimed was the babysitter, and hope that she's been able to get her life back.     

[Pebble Puppy]

12 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

And her stupid parents too.    I remember reading that when the parents were on Dr. Phil, he didn't pay them, but made a huge 'donation' to their foundation, and later I read that her mom gave her the money.       How a man can stay with a woman who supports the daughter who killed the grandbaby, and tried to blame it on her dad, and claimed he molested Casey for years is beyond understanding.        The allegations the defense attorney made against people were despicable, the man who found the body had nothing to do with it, and the fact that he called the police several times before they actually checked out his tip makes me wonder how incompetent they were.     I feel so sorry for the woman that Casey claimed was the babysitter, and hope that she's been able to get her life back.     

There are claims that Casey paid her attorney with sexual favors. He was a well known attorney and she nor her family could have afforded him. He knew it was a high profile case and would boost his career but he also knew what he could get from Casey. 

[smittykins]

On 12/12/2018 at 1:57 PM, auntjess said:

I have seen the barrel body one a lot, but the premise is catchy, and I see why.   I most liked the one that really focused on the Newsday reporter, and his connecting with her family.
My favorite is Col.Russell Williams.  Maybe I keep hoping that one version will finally call out his wife, for not wondering what was in all those file cabinets and boxes in the garage.
The one where the jealous ex dresses as a man, and shoots the wife, has been on several times.
The barefoot guy who killed the guy, then raped his girlfriend has been on a lot.
Woman cop who killed ex's wife, and got away with it for years.
"Roc" in blood, on the wall.  I keep yelling 

  Reveal hidden contents

Ignore the wall, check the pizza for DNA!

The Stacey Castor case is another one that has been the subject of multiple shows.  That's how I learned that one of my then-coworkers was the sister of Stacey's first husband, Michael Wallace(she also passed away a few years ago).

Edited December 14, 2018 by smittykins

[auntjess]

More perennials:
The guy with the dog, and the policewomen pose as groomers to get dog hair
The aunt's boyfriend who kills her niece, during the hurricane
One I used to see a lot, was the hs principal, who killed his wife and children, and whose brother tried to give him a store receipt alibi
And how could I forget couple w/matching BMWs or such, and she rents a Uhaul truck w/dolly, switches his and hers cars at store parking lot, buys usual bleach, large trash bags, etc. then uses her discount card.
Oh, and stolen UHaul with woman kept in freezer, plugged into power line at his mom's house

[Annber03]

1 minute ago, auntjess said:

The aunt's boyfriend who kills her niece, during the hurricane

Ooh, yeah, I've seen that one a few times, too. That case was really weird and creepy. 

[azshadowwalker]

On 12/12/2018 at 10:49 AM, Pebble Puppy said:

I am glad they are doing this show.  It's from the perspective of the cop and shows how they have to make split second decisions and often when shots are fired, nothing is made of it until it becomes a race issue. It shouldn't be about race, ever! 

As someone who has several African-American friends whose sons have been killed by police, I have to say that it must be nice to live in a bubble. 

[Pebble Puppy]

38 minutes ago, azshadowwalker said:

As someone who has several African-American friends whose sons have been killed by police, I have to say that it must be nice to live in a bubble. 

Bubble? Just from watching the show, it's apparent that cops of all races have to utilize their weapons  because of suspects of all races. In fact, an African American cop got shot by an African American suspect. Where's the outrage about that? Maybe the media only reports what they believe will cause good ratings and we need to realize there are two sides to the story. Im not living in a bubble. I just don't think being a cop is easy and it's easy to judge when we've never done it. If a cop kills anyone other than African American, it's not likely reported. Or, maybe the media shouldn't specify race at all and stick to facts and report all killings by cops. Why does it matter what color anyone's skin is in 2018 ? Do they report and specify when an African American suspect kills a white woman? Not unless they put his picture up and they don't say she's white.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Pebble Puppy
Grammer

[Mannahatta]

1 hour ago, Pebble Puppy said:

Bubble? Just from watching the show, it's apparent that cops of all races have to utilize their weapons  because of suspects of all races. In fact, an African American cop got shot by an African American suspect. Where's the outrage about that? Maybe the media only reports what they believe will cause good ratings and we need to realize there are two sides to the story. Im not living in a bubble. I just don't think being a cop is easy and it's easy to judge when we've never done it. If a cop kills anyone other than African American, it's not likely reported. Or, maybe the media shouldn't specify race at all and stick to facts and report all killings by cops. Why does it matter what color anyone's skin is in 2018 ? Do they report and specify when an African American suspect kills a white woman? Not unless they put his picture up and they don't say she's white.

 

Currently there is no nationwide governmental database that accurately compiles the number of people who annually get shot by the police in the United States. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/04/police-killed-people-fbi-data-justifiable-homicides

But there are groups who are trying to figure out the data from various sources. This link above will take you to an interesting analysis of this data. https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/the-real-story-of-race-and-police-killings/?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

The general conclusion is that racial disparities are evident. African Americans are shot in disproportionate numbers by police officers. One could also argue that even if the police officer doing the shooting is African American: the quickness to shoot a black person can still be the result of a systemic racism in which black people are viewed as being more dangerous.

In fact, racial profiling can even start in preschool:  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/racial-profiling-in-preschool.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&moduleDetail=inside-nyt-region-1&module=inside-nyt-region&region=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region

So sadly, one's skin color does matter - even though it's 2018. As for the news media - I can think of quite a few stories where the person shot by a police officer was white. Now that everyone has a video in their phones, and cameras are on so many building: police shootings are probably bigger news than ever.

That's not to say that a police officer's job is easy. I sure couldn't do it. In fact, I just heard a segment on NPR the other day about how a lot of police departments are having difficulty finding qualified applicants. People just aren't choosing it as a career option the way they used to. So there are a lot of issues at play here. But the first step to solving a problem is admitting it exists.

[Pebble Puppy]

17 minutes ago, Mannahatta said:

 

Currently there is no nationwide governmental database that accurately compiles the number of people who annually get shot by the police in the United States. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/04/police-killed-people-fbi-data-justifiable-homicides

But there are groups who are trying to figure out the data from various sources. This link above will take you to an interesting analysis of this data. https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/the-real-story-of-race-and-police-killings/?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

The general conclusion is that racial disparities are evident. African Americans are shot in disproportionate numbers by police officers. One could also argue that even if the police officer doing the shooting is African American: the quickness to shoot a black person can still be the result of a systemic racism in which black people are viewed as being more dangerous.

In fact, racial profiling can even start in preschool:  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/racial-profiling-in-preschool.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&moduleDetail=inside-nyt-region-1&module=inside-nyt-region&region=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region

So sadly, one's skin color does matter - even though it's 2018. As for the news media - I can think of quite a few stories where the person shot by a police officer was white. Now that everyone has a video in their phones, and cameras are on so many building: police shootings are probably bigger news than ever.

That's not to say that a police officer's job is easy. I sure couldn't do it. In fact, I just heard a segment on NPR the other day about how a lot of police departments are having difficulty finding qualified applicants. People just aren't choosing it as a career option the way they used to. So there are a lot of issues at play here. But the first step to solving a problem is admitting it exists.

My point being, the media shouldn't be reporting on it in these cases at all or they should do it in all cases. How many African American men rape and/ or murder white women, pimp them, traffic them? How many white men rape and or murder black women, pimp them , traffic them? How many African American men rape and/or murder African American women, pimp them, traffic them. What about other races? Why is it only important to report about white  cops shooting African American men? If the media is going to report a victims race and a non convicted suspects when they are white, then why aren't they reporting this in all cases? White woman raped by Asian man. Black woman killed by black man. White woman killed by white woman. See what I'm saying? When two black men kill each other, it's not important to mention the color of their skin.Profiling comes in many forms. Insurance companies do it, doctors at the ER do. Just mention you have pain and they won't take you seriously. Profiling of any kind is wrong but it seems that only racial profiling is frowned upon. But I do appreciate that you spoke without insulting me. It's a touchy subject and I don't mean to hurt anyone.

Edited December 15, 2018 by Pebble Puppy

[LuvMyShows]

I just watched the latest episode of The Case That Haunts Me, and was very surprised that the detective would have wanted to narrate that episode, given how badly he mishandled it from the start by not looking at all at the wife.  Also, he had a murder in a home, with blood drops from the killer, and apparently didn't test anyone except the person he had decided on from the start had committed a random burglary gone bad.  And when he was questioning the person who ended up being the killer, it didn't look at all like the suspect was re-living the supposedly vicious murder...instead it looked like he was leading the person on and coaxing him into it.

Also, just saw another popular story, and it's one of the best...the sting in Canada where they had an undercover agent befriend a young guy that they suspected had murdered a woman working her very first shift at a convenience store.  The agent recruited the guy to work in what was basically a fake mob situation, starting with minor jobs and working his way up to bigger jobs, and they never discussed anything about the guy's past.  Finally, he earned the opportunity to meet "Mr. Big", who was going to make him an official member of the organization.  But first Mr. BIg said he had to know all about this guy, so there wouldn't be any surprises later.  So the guy starts blabbing about how he committed this murder in the convenience store.  And when he leaves there, he gets arrested.  It's amazing.  One of the versions I saw said that the U.S. can't do something like that, but Canada can.

[TaraS1]

My new obsession is Criminal Confessions on Oxygen. Really well done series from the four or five episodes I’ve seen so far. And the cases were all new to me except for one that happened semi-locally. 

[kathyk24]

Another good episode of Deadly Legacy tonight. When will the police take missing persons reports seriously? If the police had look for Edward sooner they might have found him or his killer sooner.

[auntjess]

On 12/15/2018 at 11:25 PM, LuvMyShows said:

But first Mr. BIg said he had to know all about this guy, so there wouldn't be any surprises later.  So the guy starts blabbing about how he committed this murder in the convenience store.  And when he leaves there, he gets arrested.  It's amazing.  One of the versions I saw said that the U.S. can't do something like that, but Canada can.

I remember that.  I think search warrants are easier in Canada, or maybe it was phone taps.
 

[Annber03]

8 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

Another good episode of Deadly Legacy tonight. When will the police take missing persons reports seriously? If the police had look for Edward sooner they might have found him or his killer sooner.

I love how dedicated the detective currently working on these cases is. It was touching to see him so determined to solve that case once and for all, and give that family the answers they deserved. 

And I agree on taking missing persons reports seriously. I understand, on some level, the, "they're an adult, they can go off wherever they want" attitude, because indeed, that happens sometimes...

...but I dunno, if I were a police officer, and a family member or friend reported their loved one missing, and it was clear they were genuinely concerned about their whereabouts and kept insisting their absence wasn't normal, I just don't see what the harm is in at least checking into the disappearance a little further. If they did choose to leave on their own, well, at least everyone will know that and be reassured the person's okay. But if they didn't, then maybe they can either save the missing person sooner, or perhaps catch their abductor/killer sooner. 

I also remember watching the latest season of "Disappeared" episodes earlier this year and being appalled at how many police stations wouldn't look further into the disappearances of children under eighteen right away. They kept initially shrugging them off as "runaway" situations. Even if they had run away, they're still under eighteen! They're not supposed to be on the streets alone like that, it's dangerous, go find them and get them somewhere safe, for god's sakes. 

[walnutqueen]

13 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

Another good episode of Deadly Legacy tonight. When will the police take missing persons reports seriously? If the police had look for Edward sooner they might have found him or his killer sooner.

Everyone who has a lost or missing loved one, and the people who have NO ONE looking for them, deserve an answer.  This series is breaking my heart.