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[renatae]

On 8/28/2018 at 3:45 AM, One Tough Cookie said:

Anyone watch he Darlie Routie show the other night? I started out thinking she was right whee she   belongs, but I wouldn't be comfortable giving her the death penalty.  Please excuse any typo, I have one broken hand and one sprained

 

I'd love to hear everyone's opinion this case.. 

Welcome! And sympathies for your injuries!

Starting about halfway down on page 96 of this thread, there is discussion of the Darlie episodes aired on Reasonable Doubt. Lots of other stuff as well, but there are several posts about her case on subsequent pages as well.

[renatae]

21 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 

 

21 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

  I actually read part of the trial transcript of Dr. Santos who testified that her wound was superficial and that they went into the operating room to explore and see what, if any damage done, but, it was categorized as superficial and he described the technical reasons why. I'll see if I can find the link.  I'm not sure if I can post it, here. If you like, PM me and I'll send it to you. 

That would be interesting to see. Several pages back, I posted the surgical report, which did not describe the wounds at all as superficial. I watched the whole series on Reasonable Doubt about Darlie, and there was footage of her from the time it was filmed, this year or last year, I believe, and you can still see the scars on her neck in shots that were taken several feet away at least. With all due respect to Dr. Santos, if those are superficial wounds, so are my surgical scars. Superficial wounds disappear after a short period of time; they do not remain after 20 years.

[SunnyBeBe]

Did anyone see The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers Part 4 last night?  It was pretty good.  There was one person who spoke last night on camera that I was not impressed with.  She's been on there before. She's the one who called the host and asked her to come to her for some information. She then gave them some supposed info.  I'm not sure how authentic is was.  HOWEVER, the woman who gave info who was too scared to reveal her identity, about something she saw on the road the night the officer was murdered was very convincing. I think her fear of retribution was authentic and that her info was too.  But, it's doubtful it will matter, because, I don't have much faith that anything is going to happen in the way of investigation or prosecution.  Something seems off.  With an officer murdered the way theirs was? OMG...They should have figured that out by now. That type of murder gets all the best resources.  I wonder why they haven't asked for them. 

I'm not quite sure about the info in the letter they got from the inmate.  It should be investigated though.  But, since the police refused to talk to the inmate......I don't think they are interested.  

For all the talk about a huge drug cartel being responsible for all these murders and intimidation......IDK, but, it seems to me that it's more likely that a handful of people who are well connected in the community and who are engaged in a criminal enterprise would be more likely.  That's why they have so much influence with the police and government. Not an international cartel.  That's just my opinion, based on what we have seen so far. 

Edited September 2, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[walnutqueen]

I'm enjoying The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers, but I noticed that next week is the Season finale.  I doubt anything will be wrapped up or resolved, and am beginning to think I'll be looking for info on the internet after watching the finale. So far I'm spoiler free, but I doubt I could hold out if they do the unthinkable, and drag this case out for a second season.

Edited September 2, 2018 by walnutqueen
fat fingers = spelling errors

[nokat]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Did anyone see The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers Part 4 last night?  It was pretty good.  There was one person who spoke last night on camera that I was not impressed with.  She's been on there before. She's the one who called the host and asked her to come to her for some information. She then gave them some supposed info.  I'm not sure how authentic is was.  HOWEVER, the woman who gave info who was too scared to reveal her identity, about something she saw on the road the night the officer was murdered was very convincing. I think her fear of retribution was authentic and that her info was too.  But, it's doubtful it will matter, because, I don't have much faith that anything is going to happen in the way of investigation or prosecution.  Something seems off.  With an officer murdered the way theirs was? OMG...They should have figured that out by now. That type of murder gets all the best resources.  I wonder why they haven't asked for them.

I'm not quite sure about the info in the letter they got from the inmate.  It should be investigated though.  But, since the police refused to talk to the inmate......I don't think they are interested.

For all the talk about a huge drug cartel being responsible for all these murders and intimidation......IDK, but, it seems to me that it's more likely that a handful of people who are well connected in the community and who are engaged in a criminal enterprise would be more likely.  That's why they have so much influence with the police and government. Not an international cartel.  That's just my opinion, based on what we have seen so far.

 

Oh damn, I missed that, I've been watching all of the episodes. Found it on OnDemand. That is one messed up town. I'm thinking drugs and corruption.

 

Watched the first new Homicide Hunter. His cases are pretty basic. The truly messed up people are on Evil Lives Here, or Deadly Women. Or Fear Thy Neighbor.

 

Edited September 2, 2018 by nokat

[auntjess]

The Fear Thy Neighbor episodes are repeated a lot, if you miss any.  
I watched Pink Collar Crimes, w/Marcia Clark, on CBS.
This one was about a woman causing companies multi-million dollar losses, from counterfeit coupons.
They told too how this did affect companies to the point of causing job losses, so it it was indeed a BFD.
 

[hoosier80]

I've been watching The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers, but kind of out of order.  There is some sort of corruption in that entire town.  The ex-boyfriend and his brother seem to be top suspects, and unfortunately, either the police are inept or corrupt. 

The ex and brother don't seem to be geniuses, so surely they left some clues behind.  The brother was stupid in being that obvious in trying to help the other brother.  Even if the corruption ran all the way to the top of LE, there was no way they could let him keep his job.  It would be way too obvious that they were all dirty.

I think the officer who was killed did find something, along with the father.  The mother/daughter could be related to all of this, but I'm leaning towards it being unrelated.  The sister who said something about gangs, not buying that really.  It's a small town, mostly rural looking.  How many gangs could there be?  I think with them, one possibly saw something or was ready to rat out someone influential (potentially in drug cartel - but it's a local group, not some world wide cartel - possibly have ties or deal with larger drug cartels for their supply).  

Not buying that the cars weren't searched thoroughly.  Even if the LE is corrupt, they'd test and go through all of the correct steps, then just bury the reports or hide it somehow.   It's usually the simplest explanation.  Ex got mad, killed Crystal in the heat of the moment.  Possibly asked brother to help or asked how to hide her body.  Guessing she's weighed down at that muddy lake.  Betting cop brother knew how long it would take to find her (if they can); just seeing the divers taking so long for a small portion of the lake showed that to be an almost impossible task.  Then the mother said she wanted them to drain the lake?  It's a big lake; there's no way unless you had an unlimited budget and several months to complete.

I doubt they find anything worth much.   Only thing good thing is that this is getting national coverage.

[LuvMyShows]

Just found this thread, thanks to hoosiermom on the Cold Justice thread.  I love ID, and didn't know where to go to discuss their shows.  

Hoping someone can help with finding repeats of the 48 Hours episodes that randomly seem to pop up on ID.  I can't find them on idgo.com, which is where I watch the ID shows rather than "live".  And I've already exhausted the meager supply of (terribly disorganized) 48 hours past episodes that is on the actual 48 Hours site.  

[auntjess]

4 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Hoping someone can help with finding repeats of the 48 Hours episodes that randomly seem to pop up on ID.  I can't find them on idgo.com, which is where I watch the ID shows rather than "live".

I just searched on Uverse, and there are some on tomorrow.  Also, 48 Hours: Hard Evidence is on OWN.
I hardly ever watch anything "live," and swear by my DVR.  I use the search functions a lot.
Oxygen has good shows, and I also like ATL Homicide, on TV One.  

ETA:  48 Hours on ID tomorrow, 9/4- 9am-noon, ET.

Edited September 3, 2018 by auntjess

[LuvMyShows]

6 hours ago, auntjess said:

I just searched on Uverse, and there are some on tomorrow.  Also, 48 Hours: Hard Evidence is on OWN.
I hardly ever watch anything "live," and swear by my DVR.  I use the search functions a lot.
Oxygen has good shows, and I also like ATL Homicide, on TV One.  

Thanks for the suggestions!  I had already blown through the 48 Hours: Hard Evidence episodes on OWN; I like ATL as well, and also Fatal Attraction on TV One.

[nokat]

3 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Thanks for the suggestions!  I had already blown through the 48 Hours: Hard Evidence episodes on OWN; I like ATL as well, and also Fatal Attraction on TV One.

I see a lot of 48 Hours repeats, and I don't have OWN. Maybe Oxygen? I did a search and didn't find the network the shows are on.

Maybe I was thinking of the First 48, which is on A&E.

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by nokat

[nokat]

On Sunday, September 02, 2018 at 8:26 PM, auntjess said:

The Fear Thy Neighbor episodes are repeated a lot, if you miss any.  
I watched Pink Collar Crimes, w/Marcia Clark, on CBS.
This one was about a woman causing companies multi-million dollar losses, from counterfeit coupons.
They told too how this did affect companies to the point of causing job losses, so it it was indeed a BFD.

 

I watched that episode too. I don't believe the employees who didn't think anything wrong was happening.
 

[auntjess]

12 hours ago, nokat said:

On 9/2/2018 at 11:26 PM, auntjess said:

 

I watched that episode too. I don't believe the employees who didn't think anything wrong was happening.

I think they asked no questions, but I hated that they took them to jail.
I LOVED the scene with the SWAT team, before and after they were shown what weapons she had.

12 hours ago, nokat said:

Maybe I was thinking of the First 48, which is on A&E.

I think repeats of this also show up on other channels.  
I checked, and First 48 repeats are also on Discovery Life.

Edited September 4, 2018 by auntjess

[nokat]

IKR, like weapons all over.  I thought white collar crime until I saw that. Made me want to know what else was going on. That was probably not her only con.
 

[LuvMyShows]

8 hours ago, nokat said:

I see a lot of 48 Hours repeats, and I don't have OWN. Maybe Oxygen? I did a search and didn't find the network the shows are on.

Maybe I was thinking of the First 48, which is on A&E.

 

Big OOPS on my part!  What I'd seen were the Dateline: Secrets Uncovered episodes on Oxygen, and not 48 Hours: Hard Evidence on OWN.  In fact, I can't find any 48 Hours episodes on OWN :-(      I may just have to break down and get a DVR, so I can record the ID 48 Hours episodes, since for whatever reason, they won't make them available for replay like the do the 'first-run' shows.

[funky-rat]

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 9:08 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

Good points, Funky-rat.  I think that an unbiased documentary on Routier would be amusing. The mini series a few months ago was actually propaganda, imo.  It just wasn't accurate with all her family talking about how she almost died and other things as fact, that was their opinion.  I actually read part of the trial transcript of Dr. Santos who testified that her wound was superficial and that they went into the operating room to explore and see what, if any damage done, but, it was categorized as superficial and he described the technical reasons why. I'll see if I can find the link.  I'm not sure if I can post it, here. If you like, PM me and I'll send it to you. 

Ref. the Ramsey murder.  Did you see the multi part documentary on that last year, where a team of specialists from around the world took the case apart, bit by bit?  I found that well done. They had rare interviews of those who knew them well, who had never spoken before.  And the 911 police dispatcher who had never been questioned before.  They revealed how the DA had lied and said that there was no indictment against John and Patsy, when there had been. He had kept it secret and the grand jury members were bound to keep silent by their oath, so, it took years before that became known.  So much BS that had been put out there about that case that were lies, too. This group didn't have any agenda and even if you don't believe their final conclusion, it was clear that there was no intruder from their experts and analysis. They also addressed the note with experts and it made sense to me.

I would be interested in the piece you describe by Lou Smit. Was that recent? I like to keep an open mind and see new things, though. 

I saw one of the several documentaries on the Ramsey case when they came out last year (all around the same time).  I watched one, but not the other ones.  I must have skipped the one you reference.  I was honestly burned out on that case, and had seen so many where a ton of different theories were sent around, so I just passed.  The Lou Smit one was from a number of years ago (I'm not confident he's even still alive), but I'll see if I can find it on YouTube.  It was well done.

I tend to just tune out on shows that I believe to be one-sided, or are full of family and friends making statements like "I just know he/she wouldn't do this" because it means nothing.  But the Routier case has always bugged me.  I have always felt the cops just tied this up in too neat of a bow, and there was some legal jockeying to get her in to a different venue.  I also am not a fan of convicting someone in part because of what a video shows.  Videos often only show part of the story, and it scares me now with the "make this go viral" crap that's so pervasive.  A restaurant we liked ended up shutting down after the keyboard social justice warriors got all over them.  A video shot by a bystander showed a homeless man getting hauled off by police in front of their restaurant.  It was assumed  the restaurant called the police on him.  Tons of people came out in full force to trash their Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews, call the restaurant incessantly, vandalize their FP page, etc.  The restaurant never called.  THREE OTHER restaurants did.  He'd been going down the street, harassing people, singing at the top of his lungs, stealing food off of people's plates, etc.  But this restaurant had the "luck" of being where cops caught up to him.  NO ONE ever heard the true story.  The website that started the harassment against the restaurant eventually came out and said very quietly "We were wrong", but even months after the restaurant closed, people were still trashing their reviews, etc.  Once you let that genie out, it never goes back in the bottle.  The worst part is that neither of the scenarios presented make any sense whatsoever.  Susan Smith killed her kids because someone she dated used that as an excuse to break up with her, and she was very damaged mentally (inappropriate relationship with her father or stepfather - can't recall - etc).  Darlie may have had PPD, but it still doesn't make sense.  I'm not saying she's innocent - not by a long shot - but I do think this one deserves a review by independent sources.

[SunnyBeBe]

Well, I watched an episode of Twisted Sisters on ID last night and it was rather amusing. I never did see or hear Khloe Kardashian, so that was a blessing. I think she's the executive producer.....lol, whatever. I try to put that out of my mind. 

 The one last night was about two sisters who murdered and attempted to murder innocent people, mostly family members, because they believed this 9 year-old child (son to one sister) spoke to angels and told them to do it, really for no reason. (1989) Very bizarre.  And, I think she's still in prison.  No remorse at all.   One survivor was the sister's brother, who survived being shot and the man's little baby.  Two year old shot while in his highchair. Survived, but, paralyzed. His mother was killed, as well as another man, who just happened to be in the wrong place. 

[walnutqueen]

Copied from the Dateline forum, where I posted this by mistake :

8 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

I think it was What Lies Beneath where the wife's sister is crying about the jail sentence, lamenting "How can they do that?  She didn't even have her hand on the gun!".  Newsflash, dummy - when someone conspires to kill their husband, it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger.  It's still Conspiracy to Commit Murder, and your sister is exactly where she deserves to be - in JAIL.

Evil Lives Here was pretty brutal.  I hate hearing about these absolutely horrific childhoods people have to suffer through.  Makes my own childhood traumas pale in comparison (and puts my "Monster" of a step-daddy in perspective).

 

ETA - Big whoops!  I meant to post this in the General True Crimes forum.  Shit for brains!  ;-)

[Annber03]

Oh, man, that "Evil Lives Here" episode actually made me sick to my stomach. Everything with the cat and that poor baby...Christ. I seem to recall hearing that case in general before on some other show (I think it was that "Evil Kin" series?), but I think this one went into a little more detail about all the horrors. 

Just looking at Eddie's face in those photos made my skin crawl-the guy seemed to have a permanent creepy smirk. I found it odd that somebody as controlling as him was willing to let his kids go to public school. Did he not think that people at the school might notice something was off about these kids at some point or what? 

But yeah. good riddance to such a sick creep. 

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Well, I watched an episode of Twisted Sisters on ID last night and it was rather amusing. I never did see or hear Khloe Kardashian, so that was a blessing. I think she's the executive producer.....lol, whatever. I try to put that out of my mind. 

 The one last night was about two sisters who murdered and attempted to murder innocent people, mostly family members, because they believed this 9 year-old child (son to one sister) spoke to angels and told them to do it, really for no reason. (1989) Very bizarre.  And, I think she's still in prison.  No remorse at all.   One survivor was the sister's brother, who survived being shot and the man's little baby.  Two year old shot while in his highchair. Survived, but, paralyzed. His mother was killed, as well as another man, who just happened to be in the wrong place. 

That was such a weird, haunting story. And the guy said that the shooting involving him and his family happened on his birthday, of all days? Damn. 

I also saw a story on a show called "Blood Runs Cold" about a woman whose daughter went missing, and she went all out to try and find out who did it...and unfortunately, she met a tragic end herself in the process. 

Yeah. Some real depressing stuff on the channel last night :/. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Yeah, sometimes, I think I should stop watching it.  But, I've been a true crime follower for many years.  Years ago, I read books. Now, I mostly watch ID channel and read online about true crime. 

[geekgirl921]

18 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Oh, man, that "Evil Lives Here" episode actually made me sick to my stomach. Everything with the cat and that poor baby...Christ. I seem to recall hearing that case in general before on some other show (I think it was that "Evil Kin" series?), but I think this one went into a little more detail about all the horrors. 

Just looking at Eddie's face in those photos made my skin crawl-the guy seemed to have a permanent creepy smirk. I found it odd that somebody as controlling as him was willing to let his kids go to public school. Did he not think that people at the school might notice something was off about these kids at some point or what? 

But yeah. good riddance to such a sick creep. 

Yeah, I was kind of bemused that the father somehow thought he could just bring back another baby and that would somehow satisfy the boyfriend.

[Annber03]

4 minutes ago, geekgirl921 said:

Yeah, I was kind of bemused that the father somehow thought he could just bring back another baby and that would somehow satisfy the boyfriend.

Right? Guy clearly wasn't working with a full deck, so to speak.

That's a part of the story I don't remember having heard on the other show that featured that case. Thank goodness they weren't able to go through with that horrible plan. 

[LuvMyShows]

Just watched the first two episodes of the new ID show "In Plain Sight".  I think it's terrible, which is surprising 'cause it's hard to mess up the format of those shows, and I've liked all the other new shows they've introduced.  It seems like a show from the mid 80s in terms of production values and they seem not to present a lot of evidence.  Also, it's all commentary, with no dialogue in the re-enactments.  (And they seem to kind of get off on showing the dead victims with their eyes open.)  The first episode featured Sherri Rasmussen and John Ruetter, and his ex-girlfriend who was a police officer (this is a crime you have probably seen on several other shows).  I remember that when I've seen it on other shows, it's been a very interesting story and full of intrigue and surprises, but it was lackluster here.  The second episode was a crime I'd never seen before, but the lack of evidence that they presented to us really took me out of the story.  Anyone else seen this new show?

[badhaggis]

5 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Oh, man, that "Evil Lives Here" episode actually made me sick to my stomach. Everything with the cat and that poor baby...Christ. I seem to recall hearing that case in general before on some other show (I think it was that "Evil Kin" series?), but I think this one went into a little more detail about all the horrors. 

Just looking at Eddie's face in those photos made my skin crawl-the guy seemed to have a permanent creepy smirk. I found it odd that somebody as controlling as him was willing to let his kids go to public school. Did he not think that people at the school might notice something was off about these kids at some point or what? 

But yeah. good riddance to such a sick creep. 

That was such a weird, haunting story. And the guy said that the shooting involving him and his family happened on his birthday, of all days? Damn. 

I also saw a story on a show called "Blood Runs Cold" about a woman whose daughter went missing, and she went all out to try and find out who did it...and unfortunately, she met a tragic end herself in the process. 

Yeah. Some real depressing stuff on the channel last night :/. 

The story of Linda Watson, her mother Marilyn Cox and Renee Farnsworth was haunting. Pretty much all of Tucson knew Linda's ex husband killed them all. It was incredibly frustrating it took so long to convict David Watson. Thank God his second wife Rosemary finally admitted she had lied when she gave him an alibi. 

[Annber03]

14 minutes ago, badhaggis said:

Thank God his second wife Rosemary finally admitted she had lied when she gave him an alibi. 

I see that happen a lot on these kinds of shows, with people falsifying alibis, either for themselves or other people. It's to the point now where, in some stories, when the police are like, "Well, we ruled out the ex/spouse/family member/etc. because they had an alibi and it checked out", I'm sitting here thinking, "You sure you don't want to double check that?"

I feel so bad for that poor little girl. She lost her mom and grandma, and her dad was the one who killed them. Three family members out of her life for good, one way or another. And it sucks that Renee got caught up in this family feud as well-she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just an awful story all the way around. 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Annber03

[hoosiermom]

On 9/3/2018 at 11:48 AM, LuvMyShows said:

Just found this thread, thanks to hoosiermom on the Cold Justice thread.  I love ID, and didn't know where to go to discuss their shows.  

Hoping someone can help with finding repeats of the 48 Hours episodes that randomly seem to pop up on ID.  I can't find them on idgo.com, which is where I watch the ID shows rather than "live".  And I've already exhausted the meager supply of (terribly disorganized) 48 hours past episodes that is on the actual 48 Hours site.  

So glad you found us and welcome!

[auntjess]

I am ready for another Col. Russell Williams fix.

[2727]

For Keith Morrison fans, here's a long interview with him on Armchair Expert (Dax Shepard's podcast). Dax and his producer do a little pod business beforehand, so it starts about 8:48.

[renatae]

On 9/4/2018 at 4:19 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Well, I watched an episode of Twisted Sisters on ID last night and it was rather amusing. I never did see or hear Khloe Kardashian, so that was a blessing. I think she's the executive producer.....lol, whatever. I try to put that out of my mind. 

 The one last night was about two sisters who murdered and attempted to murder innocent people, mostly family members, because they believed this 9 year-old child (son to one sister) spoke to angels and told them to do it, really for no reason. (1989) Very bizarre.  And, I think she's still in prison.  No remorse at all.   One survivor was the sister's brother, who survived being shot and the man's little baby.  Two year old shot while in his highchair. Survived, but, paralyzed. His mother was killed, as well as another man, who just happened to be in the wrong place. 

That was horrifying. That poor child left paralyzed and people shot for no real reason. It stuck out to me that the boy (now man) whose "prophecies" caused all this feels no responsibility at all because he didn't actually shoot anyone. Seems to me that even at 9, he should have had awareness that lying about people and saying they needed to be eliminated was wrong. I think he was a real attention whore.

The only bright spot, as you said, no Khloe!

Edited September 7, 2018 by renatae

[renatae]

On 9/4/2018 at 4:53 PM, walnutqueen said:

Copied from the Dateline forum, where I posted this by mistake :

I thought the same thing about that idiotic sister. Yes, your sister deserves to be in jail, lamebrain!

Was the other case you were talking about the one where the father got himself some quickie ordainment and then told his family he was God, then ordered two of the sons to kill people? One killed was a son in law, and one he intended to be killed was his brother? His grandson died because he told his daughter to shut him up, and he'd "married" at least two of his daughters? That one made me literally sick to my stomach to the extent I missed a meal. What a monster.

[renatae]

On 9/4/2018 at 5:25 PM, Annber03 said:

Oh, man, that "Evil Lives Here" episode actually made me sick to my stomach. Everything with the cat and that poor baby...Christ. I seem to recall hearing that case in general before on some other show (I think it was that "Evil Kin" series?), but I think this one went into a little more detail about all the horrors. 

Just looking at Eddie's face in those photos made my skin crawl-the guy seemed to have a permanent creepy smirk. I found it odd that somebody as controlling as him was willing to let his kids go to public school. Did he not think that people at the school might notice something was off about these kids at some point or what? 

But yeah. good riddance to such a sick creep. 

That was such a weird, haunting story. And the guy said that the shooting involving him and his family happened on his birthday, of all days? Damn. 

I also saw a story on a show called "Blood Runs Cold" about a woman whose daughter went missing, and she went all out to try and find out who did it...and unfortunately, she met a tragic end herself in the process. 

Yeah. Some real depressing stuff on the channel last night :/. 

Yes, me,too! I ended up switching off the channel as I was so horrified by Eddie and his antics  as well as one or two of the other stories that I just couldn't take it any more.

[Annber03]

7 hours ago, renatae said:

Yes, me,too! I ended up switching off the channel as I was so horrified by Eddie and his antics  as well as one or two of the other stories that I just couldn't take it any more.

I'd been having a snack before that episode started, and when they got to the stuff with the cat I put the food back out in the kitchen and didn't eat again the rest of the night. I also wanted to go hug my cats. 

7 hours ago, renatae said:

and he'd "married" at least two of his daughters? 

"Married" them and raped them, and Charles was witness to both of those crimes at some point :/. 

I felt for him when he was looking at the footage of his mom being arrested, 'cause of how he'd been struggling with the fact she let this insanity go on for so many years. He seemed to chalk it up to her being as afraid of and controlled by his dad as the rest of the family was, but I think towards the end it seemed like he was starting to waver in that belief a bit. 

I don't even know how the hell one begins to try and come to terms with growing up in that kind of horror show, if you ever can. I hope Charles and his siblings can find some level of peace eventually. 

Edited September 7, 2018 by Annber03

[walnutqueen]

11 hours ago, renatae said:

I thought the same thing about that idiotic sister. Yes, your sister deserves to be in jail, lamebrain!

Was the other case you were talking about the one where the father got himself some quickie ordainment and then told his family he was God, then ordered two of the sons to kill people? One killed was a son in law, and one he intended to be killed was his brother? His grandson died because he told his daughter to shut him up, and he'd "married" at least two of his daughters? That one made me literally sick to my stomach to the extent I missed a meal. What a monster.

Yuppers - that was the one.  The pain and anguish that poor man suffered just recounting the horrors of what he'd endured growing up - it nearly broke me.

[renatae]

5 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I felt for him when he was looking at the footage of his mom being arrested, 'cause of how he'd been struggling with the fact she let this insanity go on for so many years. He seemed to chalk it up to her being as afraid of and controlled by his dad as the rest of the family was, but I think towards the end it seemed like he was starting to waver in that belief a bit. 

I looked up this story online, and apparently some of the other children said their mother molested them as well, and did far more than just comply with their father. It looks like Charles either was not aware or is just suppressing the fact that she is exactly where she belongs. Sad.

[Annber03]

Oh, geez :(. 

If Charles did suppress that, or any other memories from his childhood, I certainly don't blame him for doing so. 

[Akhna]

That Evil Lives Here episode was awful. The one thing that really struck me was that the dad, evil as he was, was a total coward. Everyone he wanted dead he expected his sons to kill them for him. Thank goodness the oldest brother didn't answer the door when they went to kill him and steal his son to "replace" the dead baby. I was also surprised the one brother got 25 years in prison for killing the sister's boyfriend when the dad was literally holding a gun to his head, forcing him to kill him. I feel so badly for Charles and his siblings and I hope they've all been able to recover and move on after the horror they went through.

[ratgirlagogo]

I don't watch Evil Lives Here generally.  What is the name of the episode you all are discussing here, so I can find it on demand?

[Annber03]

According to the ID website, it's called "Fear Thy Father". 

[Calamity Jane]

On 6/23/2018 at 5:35 PM, ratgirlagogo said:

I sleep through EVERYTHING.  I slept through the Sylmar earthquake in LA in 1971 - when my dad ran in and started pulling me out of bed I was yelling at him that I'D GET UP SOON and only realized groggily as I heard the crashing of breaking glass that my dad would not be likely to be breaking windows and smashing the medicine cabinet just to get me to school on time.:)

Wow - I was literally thrown out of my bed  in that one.  I was on the second floor of a dorm in Eagle Rock, and was sure the building was collapsing.  The girl across the hall from me didn't wake up until all the yelling started, though.  

[auntjess]

On 9/4/2018 at 11:23 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Just watched the first two episodes of the new ID show "In Plain Sight". 

I haven't watched that one yet, but the murders sounds familiar.
I don't watch Evil Lives Here usually, and certain words make it a no go for me--cult, bullying, animals, babies, and others I can't think of offhand.
Also, I tried watching the season premier of I Speak for the Dead, but I last night's, I didn't make it to the first commercial.
It must be really hard for the Harrisburg cops, who do the work, to see this coroner who's an undertaker, not a doctor, swan around like he's the main solver.
Dr. G, a real coroner, would never do that.

[LuvMyShows]

7 hours ago, auntjess said:

I don't watch Evil Lives Here usually, and certain words make it a no go for me--cult, bullying, animals, babies, and others I can't think of offhand.

Also, I tried watching the season premier of I Speak for the Dead, but I last night's, I didn't make it to the first commercial.

I also don't like watching shows that as their premise deal with truly evil people/acts (which is distinct from the usual murder mystery crime-solving premise).  I've also found that I don't enjoy watching the shows where we already know who did it (Deadly Women etc.) or where it's unsolved and remaining that way (Disappeared), as opposed to unsolved and being worked (Cold Justice, Reasonable Doubt).  For me, it's all about the whodunit and the evidence/clues!

When the first season of I Speak for the Dead came out, I didn't watch it, cause it just seemed kind of slow and ponderous.  But when the second season came out, I decided to watch it and go back and watch the first season, and just focus on the mystery/solving aspect that I like, and basically ignore the personality part.

[tobeannounced]

I'm definitely more of a fan of the "who dunnit" type shows. I think that was part of my disappointment with "The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers." I get tired of hanging in there with these series, and then nothing is resolved at the end. The teasers that never pan out are not very satisfying.

Edited September 9, 2018 by tobeannounced

[ratgirlagogo]

22 hours ago, Calamity Jane said:

Wow - I was literally thrown out of my bed  in that one.  I was on the second floor of a dorm in Eagle Rock,

I was not that far from you,  in Glendale.  Yeah, that was a pretty extreme quake.

23 hours ago, Annber03 said:

According to the ID website, it's called "Fear Thy Father". 

Thanks!

[auntjess]

Yeah, I finally googled Crystal Rogers.
 

Spoiler

Didn't find anything newer than what was on the show.

[LuvMyShows]

I just watched the latest "Fatal Vows" episode called "Everybody Loves Rick".  They mentioned something very odd about the lead woman, Jolena.  Her husband had been abusing her.  So she left with her kids and got divorced.  The ex was supposed to only have supervised visits with the kids, but for a reason I didn't quite catch (maybe that he was threatening her?), she let him have unsupervised visits.  So he turned her in to social services for giving him unsupervised visits.  And then the show said, with no other explanation, that then her kids were put into foster care and then adopted.  WTF?  There must have been quite a bit that was left out from the story about the real reason that the kids were not just removed temporarily, but removed permanently.  (She did appear to have other problems, but they emerged later as the show progressed.)

[ButterQueen]

On 9/6/2018 at 1:50 PM, auntjess said:

I am ready for another Col. Russell Williams fix.

Me too.  I want the 2 hour Dateline show with Keith Morrison.  My DH has never seen it.

10 hours ago, tobeannounced said:

I'm definitely more of a fan of the "who dunnit" type shows. I think that was part of my disappointment with "The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers." I get tired of hanging in there with these series, and then nothing is resolved at the end. The teasers that never pan out are not very satisfying.

I was very disappointed in the show....I need resolution.

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

I just watched the latest "Fatal Vows" episode called "Everybody Loves Rick".  They mentioned something very odd about the lead woman, Jolena.  Her husband had been abusing her.  So she left with her kids and got divorced.  The ex was supposed to only have supervised visits with the kids, but for a reason I didn't quite catch (maybe that he was threatening her?), she let him have unsupervised visits.  So he turned her in to social services for giving him unsupervised visits.  And then the show said, with no other explanation, that then her kids were put into foster care and then adopted.  WTF?  There must have been quite a bit that was left out from the story about the real reason that the kids were not just removed temporarily, but removed permanently.  (She did appear to have other problems, but they emerged later as the show progressed.)

My mom and I were really confused about how that played out, too, yeah. Maybe her husband was abusive to the kids as well? That would certainly be a valid reason to remove them from the home altogether. 

[Coffeewinewater]

18 hours ago, tobeannounced said:

I'm definitely more of a fan of the "who dunnit" type shows. I think that was part of my disappointment with "The Disappearance of Crystal Rogers." I get tired of hanging in there with these series, and then nothing is resolved at the end. The teasers that never pan out are not very satisfying.

 

I was also disappointed.  I realize it's real life and everything can't be tied up at the end. It just seems nothing happened.  There was nothing that even came close to being solved. The family seems to be no closer to finding anything out. The whole town seems to know who did something to Crystal but can't prove it. Was I the only one who thought it was creepy that crystal's boyfriend new girlfriend is also named crystal and looks a lot like original Crystal? The town seems to need the FBI or some sort of outside investigators to come in. All those open murder cases with nothing resolved.  

Did anyone watch the 20/20 about Abby Herendez?  The  New Hampshire 14 year old  . She was kidnapped and raped for nine months. She made it home alive and people still doubt her story. Even after the authorities say everything  she says is verified.  When they showed her walking upto her door on the families survalience camera (9 months later)  wow. I can't even imagine  her mother's shock . Abby was a smart girl and did what she had to do to stay alive.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[hoosiermom]

I am still SMH at the latest episode of Dying to belong on Oxygen about the murder of Trent the UK football player. What a terrible waste. I can’t believe  his killer got off with time served. I guess it really does “pay” to have money. Of course, Karma really bit him and his family in the ass hard. His permanent injury and civil award of $63,000,000 to Trent’s family.(probably should have put spoiler tags on this but I don’t know how. Sorry)

Edited September 10, 2018 by hoosiermom
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[auntjess]

25 minutes ago, hoosiermom said:

Dying to belong on Oxygen about the murder of Tent the UK football player.

I like this show, but had decided to give this episode a miss.  Didn't sound like one I'd like.