S05.E01: We're Back!

[SnarkKitty]

Farrah was speaking truth at that reunion when she called Cate and Ty on being full of shit.  I'm glad somebody finally pointed that out to them.  They haven't done a single thing they clained they were after in the name of iCarly. All they've done is bought a house.  Whoopty damn doo.  Tyler is still not an astronaut/psychiatrist and Cate is still not an EMT Tech or whatever she claimed she was striving for.  They're still two clingy codependant lumps who have traded pizza for Subway's heros.

 

Cate's too young to be so ... lumpy. Get up, move around, cook some food and stop smoking. (well I guess she will now).

 

And I loved that Tyler immediately stated that HE would be the one to get his degree before the baby comes....and Catelynn could just stay at home and wait until the kid is in school.

 

I watched thinking "... but isn't that what you were supposed to be doing for the past five years since giving up your kid? Getting your degrees so you'd be ready to someday have a family. But instead, you're going to start NOW, while having another baby ... mmkay."  I'm sure they constantly lament that they had no idea things would take off like they did. They probably wouldn't have chosen adoption in hindsight.. But then, without the adoption, no MTV. I know which bargain Tyler would have made.

 

Tyler: Famewhore much? Three minutes in and you're saying "So how should we make the announcement? Twitter, or ... ?"  But then again, Cate's breasts and April's smirk before the "announcement" says it was more like three months than three minutes. He wanted to have a nice spread. I guess that's what they're calling paid covers these days. 100% he's holding out for the MTV wedding. Cate if the wedding was so important, should have waited on that baby. I know, you waited a WHOLE 23 YEARS!!

 

Stunning to look at these houses and cars, even freakin' Amber. Do drugs, go to jell, go to rehab, then back to a cushy (finally clean and attractive) home and nice car. Some people who work two jobs aren't living as nice.

 

Ryan, get the hell out of your parents house already. You live in TN, not NYC. You can afford a place, jeeze. Maci, stop trying to dictate how Ryan parents. If he's not physically harming him, get over the fact that his parents are doing the primary parenting and stick to worrying about what happens on your end. Like making your five year old go to bed, and stay in bed.

 

I suspect Gary's mother was doing most of the heavy lifting with Leah. He's going to keel over, he's damned uncomfortable to look at. And buy another shirt, that striped monstrosity showed up 3 scenes in a row, all on different days. One was the next day.

[Tatum]

Maci has never bothered me like she seems to bother so many others. I think she's a good mom and it seems like she's trying to coparent but isn't getting much help.

So far I like her boyfriend. Much better than herpty derp Kyle.

 

She bothers me, but she's the only one I can consistently watch. When Farrah and Amber start raging and squawking, I have to fast forward the scenes. Cate can be interesting but a lot of her storylines are depressing or uncomfortable to watch. Even if Maci is being a bitch, at least she's still capable of speaking in a normal voice.

 

Bentley is bratty, and Maci is lazy, but she's the only one of the OG moms who seems to actually enjoy her kid. Amber and Farrah only do when it's convenient for them. Plus, I'm not afraid to admit I still find Ryan foxy, so there's that bonus to her storylines.

 

While Maci usually does cause drama in her communications with Ryan, I am wondering if she's not a little bit justified in this case. I'm still not exactly sure what the problem is, but Ryan's own parents seem like they understand where Maci is coming from, and those are two impartial observers if there ever was one.

[lezlers]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm actually pretty open about people not wanting to get married. For some people it really IS just a piece of paper, and there are people who do not want the government sanctioning their relationship. The issue here is, those two are not on the same page. Clearly, it's something that IS important for Catelynn. And Tyler is just spouting off nonsense to try and sound enlightened, but really he is masking his fear of committing to HER long term. 

 

 

 

Oh, I totally agree that there are legitimate reasons not to marry someone (except the piece of paper excuse when your partner wants to get married.  I hate that excuse.  Like Catelynn's friend was saying, if it's truly nothing but a piece of paper to you, then what's stopping you from doing it?)  I'm talking about when the reason you won't marry someone is because you're afraid of committing to that person long term.  A baby is forever, more so than marriage, so if you're afraid to commit to the person via marriage, you have no business making a baby with them.

[Samwil]

In the discussion between Kim and Tyler, I think she sat there horrified as Tyler has truly become Butch 2.0.  

 

Tyler is just nasty.  I am looking forward to Theresa giving them a beat down.

[wrestlesflamingos]

He even has Butch's dismissive pattern of talking faster when questioned until they relent. He does it most often when he's telling Catelynne how she feels or the camera how great they are.

[ghoulina]

While Maci usually does cause drama in her communications with Ryan, I am wondering if she's not a little bit justified in this case. I'm still not exactly sure what the problem is, but Ryan's own parents seem like they understand where Maci is coming from, and those are two impartial observers if there ever was one.

 

I think Maci has consistently complained that when it's Ryan's turn to have Bentley, he's not actually spending time with him - his parents are. Or when he does, it's doing stuff Ryan wants to do, and dragging the kid along. I don't think we see enough of Ryan to know if her concerns are legitimate, but his mother did seem to understand what Maci was talking about. She said, "I've tried to talk to him before too...."

 

Honestly, Ryan seems very lazy, spoiled, and entitled to me. He's not used to being called on his shit. His parents seem super nice and grounded, but I wonder if they were TOO nice raising him? Is he an only child? I get the feeling he's just always done what he wants when he wants.  And Bentley already looks like he's heading down that same path. 

[purplemonkey]

Did Ryan get a place with his girlfriend? Or is he indeed at his parents' still? Hard to tell when some of his visiting with Bentley time probably takes place at his parents' house.

I think Ryan's parents are partly to blame. They probably overindulged their grandkid when they could have been setting boundaries with Ryan. For example, early on, they could have said "ok Ryan, we're going to a movie and dinner now, we'll see you and Bentley later", when instead, I get they feeling they wanted to be there 24-7 because that's what THEY wanted, not what was best for new dad Ryan. Even if he did live with them.

In other words I think his mom is talking out of both sides of her mouth. She's the one enabling Ryan to whatever degree he's not doing enough. She could have made herself unavailable for the times when Maci picks up Bentley and force Ryan to be there. "Sorry honey, I have a hair appointment and dad is working. Have a nice kid exchange today!" Or is Maci lying about the frequency of Ryan's absence during exchanges? UGH these people.

Edited March 25, 2015 by purplemonkey

[helloagain]

I watched this last night.

 

I cannot stand Tyler & Cate, but Tyler especially.  I LOVE how, when the test was positive, Tyler was like "boy oh boy.  Now I can go to school, and you can be a SAHM until the kid is like 3, then you can go and I'll already have my degree."  I mean, wtf?  Did they wait for her to get pregnant again to start making plans for their lives??  And I hate that they made me defend Farrah in my mind.  Who are they to judge her for making a porn?  "She said she regretted it" one said to the other, as if that made it ok for THEM. Farrah has at least done SOMETHING with herself. Ugh.  I have not liked Tyler since I saw him abuse a dog in some episode way back when.  I wish Cate had better self esteem.  She asked again, "so you still want to marry me right?"  FFS girl.  It looked like April got new teeth.  I did like Tyler's moms reaction to his telling her they were expecting again.  Can't wait to see the BrandonTheresa scenes where they smack Tyler & Catelynn down.

 

Amber's mom looked like she was on something during the spa day.  I think what she said to Amber's cousin struck a nerve...that she only comes around when there's cameras.  In the beginning of the episode, Amber's cousin apologized to Amber that she never visited her in jell, and Amber said something like, "that's ok.  you were going through a divorce and have two kids."  There were no cameras at the jell, was there Amber's cousin?  I like Amber sober.  I caught an episode during the marathon where she was screeching Geary's name, and I had to nope my way out of that.  I hope that doesn't happen this season.

 

Maci? Meh.  Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[poeticlicensed]

I think Maci has consistently complained that when it's Ryan's turn to have Bentley, he's not actually spending time with him - his parents are. Or when he does, it's doing stuff Ryan wants to do, and dragging the kid along. I don't think we see enough of Ryan to know if her concerns are legitimate, but his mother did seem to understand what Maci was talking about. She said, "I've tried to talk to him before too...."

Honestly, Ryan seems very lazy, spoiled, and entitled to me. He's not used to being called on his shit. His parents seem super nice and grounded, but I wonder if they were TOO nice raising him? Is he an only child? I get the feeling he's just always done what he wants when he wants.  And Bentley already looks like he's heading down that same path.

 

What Ryan does when he has Bentley is really not any of Maci's business, unless the child is being abused, neglected or is in a bad environment. Why is it her business to dictate what happens during visitation with the other parent? This is one of the things that pisses me off about Maci. She wants to decide how Ryan should live his life, how he should spend his time, who he should see and she passes judgement on everything he does. Believe me, I'm not defending Ryan, hsi an idiot, and I have no doubt his parents do most of the childrearing when Bentley visits.  but Bentley loves his dad and his grandparents and I think it bugs Maci no end that Bentley wants to be with them. And I still think she is jealous and it STILL pisses her off that he doesn't want to be with her. Every freaking time she bitches that Ryan's parents watch Bentley more than he does, I scream SO EFFING WHAT? at my TV. She needs to get over it, once and for all. 

Edited March 25, 2015 by poeticlicensed

[LexiconDevilOne]

Am I the only one here who saw nothing wrong with the way Ryan interacted with Bentley about that road trip to Nashville?

 

I had no problem with him telling his SIX year old son, 'You are not telling me, your father, what you are going to do. You will do as I say'. There is nothing unreasonable about that.

 

As oppose to Maci and her...'will you sleep in our bed'. They are polar opposite in parenting styles.

 

I've seen how bargaining, pleading, bribing, and trying to be 'friends' with you kid turns out. It's not a good way to parent. Getting your child to behave and listen to you when they are young, means you won't have out of control teenagers (or at least less of it.)

 

Ryan was shown spending time with his child, he seems to pay child support (at least I've never heard where he isn't), and has a relationship with his son. Maci needs to shut up about him. She's lucky he and his family are so supportive, loving, and still involved. Especially with all of her BS.

[sandwoman]

Every freaking time she bitches that Ryan's parents watch Bentley more than he does, I scream SO EFFING WHAT? at my TV. She needs to get over it, once and for all.

 

 

ITA. My parents divorced when I was 5 and neither parent really ever asked me "who is taking care of you?" Because I was always taken care of and that's all that mattered. Ryan's parents seem to adore Bentley and are great with him. What. is. the. problem. As far as I'm concerned, when Bentley is with Ryan, it's not Maci's business what he's doing unless it's something dangerous.

[Tatum]

Based on Maci's conversation with her friends (involving telling Ryan that's he's "important"), I am guessing what she is claiming to be her beef with Ryan relying on Larry and Jen for most of the childcare is not that Bentley is being neglected, but that Bentley may grow up thinking something is wrong with him because his dad would rather dump him at the grandparents and do his own thing. I don't know how Bentley feels about the whole situation, and I certainly wouldn't bet the houseboat that that is truly the root of Maci's grudge, but I think that is what she's claiming is her concern.

 

What I find interesting is that Jen and Larry have always seemed pretty indulgent of Ryan and it looks like both his parents were visibly annoyed with him and Larry looks to be having some kind of meltdown in the previews.

 

Also, I know why Ryan was reluctant to meet with Maci as he likely knew it was just going to be a lecture about all his shortcomings, but I absolutely can't stand it when someone says they don't have time to do something, as an excuse not to do it. Particularly in Ryan's case where he has lots of free time. He should have just said, Maci, I suspect you want to sit me down and tell me what a shitty dad I am for reasons I don't agree with, and I am not interested at all in setting up an appointment for that.

[Brooklynista]

I think Maci just likes to bitch.  How does she know what Ryan does with Bentley?  And if his parents do the drop offs for him, is it possible that he just doesn't want to be a part of more bitching?  I'd bet that's her real trouble, Ryan is smart enough to avoid her constant complaining so she complains about that.

 

How dare he not show up so he can her how much she thinks he sucks. 

[SnarkKitty]

 

While Maci usually does cause drama in her communications with Ryan, I am wondering if she's not a little bit justified in this case. I'm still not exactly sure what the problem is, but Ryan's own parents seem like they understand where Maci is coming from, and those are two impartial observers if there ever was one.

 

I agree Ryan's parents know the deal and probably want what Maci wants. They stand a chance at getting it, as his parents. My point is, she needs to let it go. He sees his father enough to know who he is and that he loves him. Just because he doesn't parent the way Maci wants, doesn't mean it won't be fine. Most people don't get the parents they want, no matter how many of them there are around. He'll get older and make his own determinations about his father and how good he is/was. All she's going to do is make the next 13 years when they have to agree on what he does impossible.

[KYBlonde]

 

MyPeopleAreNordic, on 23 Mar 2015 - 11:01 PM, said:

    A baby is a bigger commitment than a marriage (you can divorce a spouse but not a kid & you're stuck dealing with the kid's other parents for at least 18 years):.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm weird but I so hate this statement... what, when the kid turns 19 you drop them off at the curb and never see them again?

 

I'm pretty sure MyPeopleAreNordic was referring to Ryan. Not Bentley.

[GreatKazu]

 

I watched thinking "... but isn't that what you were supposed to be doing for the past five years since giving up your kid? Getting your degrees so you'd be ready to someday have a family. But instead, you're going to start NOW, while having another baby ... mmkay."  I'm sure they constantly lament that they had no idea things would take off like they did. They probably wouldn't have chosen adoption in hindsight.. But then, without the adoption, no MTV. I know which bargain Tyler would have made.

This. You saved me the hassle of typing this out.

 

Five years? What was accomplished? Nothing.

[Brooklynista]

This. You saved me the hassle of typing this out.

Five years? What was accomplished? Nothing.

But they're 23! And they have a house!

[missy jo]

Am I the only one here who saw nothing wrong with the way Ryan interacted with Bentley about that road trip to Nashville? I had no problem with him telling his SIX year old son, 'You are not telling me, your father, what you are going to do. You will do as I say'. There is nothing unreasonable about that.

 

 

I actually thought that was one of the best examples of parenting I've seen here!  ** faints in shock from saying that **

 

He should have just said, Maci, I suspect you want to sit me down and tell me what a shitty dad I am for reasons I don't agree with, and I am not interested at all in setting up an appointment for that.

 

 

Heh. Indeed.

[AnythingCanBe]

This. You saved me the hassle of typing this out.

 

Five years? What was accomplished? Nothing.

 

I think this is my biggest issue with all of the girls (plus Tyler).  They're exactly the same people they were when the show started except they have more money (and, for some, more babies) now.  They have more resources than most teen moms do to pursue their educations, seek help for emotional issues, etc.  I'm exactly the same age as they are (I think I noticed once that my birthday is a few days before Maci's.), and it's been really funny for me to watch how my perspective on them has changed over the years.  For example, I remember sitting on the couch with my roommate during our freshman year of college watching the episode where Tyler proposed to Catelynn the first time, and we absolutely gushed about how sweet they were.  Now, I think their relationship is completely toxic.

[GreatKazu]

 

Am I the only one here who saw nothing wrong with the way Ryan interacted with Bentley about that road trip to Nashville? I had no problem with him telling his SIX year old son, 'You are not telling me, your father, what you are going to do. You will do as I say'. There is nothing unreasonable about that.

Excellent parenting. So refreshing.  Watching Maci give in to Bentley who wanted to sleep in her bed, is an example of giving in to one's child rather than setting boundaries. Although, it appears Bentley is acting up because he now has a new man to share his mother with, and that would certainly upset any child in the same situation.

 

 

I remember sitting on the couch with my roommate during our freshman year of college watching the episode where Tyler proposed to Catelynn the first time, and we absolutely gushed about how sweet they were.  Now, I think their relationship is completely toxic.

What has me scratching my head is, why did Tyler propose to Catelynn again after their appearance on Couples Therapy, if he has no intention of marrying her?

[configdotsys]

I have never liked Ryan's parents at all. They give off this weird vibe to me. It seems they either spoiled Ryan rotten all his life and don't see anything wrong with that or they are aware that he has serious anger issues and they do everything possible to walk on egg shells around him. I was watching the marathon over the weekend and there was one point, I'm not sure in which episode it was, that the parents were talking to Ryan for the 100th time about getting 50/50 custody at the dinner table and Ryan got a little testy with his parents. His mother's response to his testiness was to begin to cry and whine which demonstrated that she was more uncomfortable at the thought of pissing off her son than having a frank discussion. Her talk with Maci this week was sad because it was all designed to sweep Ryan's douchery under the carpet and force Maci to adjust her interactions with him so as not to upset him. It's all about not upsetting Ryan? LOL. Okay, sure. I get that Maci is a total bitch and has her own things to get over with regard to interactions with Ryan, but Mom's opinions were total horseshit and designed only to show baby boy that Mom has his back no matter what kind of tool he is. Bleh.

 

I'm one of those weird people that don't believe for a second that blood relative = having their back if they're acting like an asshole so Mom's defense of Ryan is something that I will never understand.

 

That being said, I am a Maci hater because she's an arrogant bitch and I can't stand people like that.

 

Props to Ryan for the single best parenting moment I've seen on Teen Mom when he knelt down and laid down the law to Bentley.

[Tatum]

 

Her talk with Maci this week was sad because it was all designed to sweep Ryan's douchery under the carpet and force Maci to adjust her interactions with him so as not to upset him. It's all about not upsetting Ryan?

 

I don't think that particular conversation was so much about not upsetting Ryan, but rather a twist on, you get more flies with honey than vinegar. I think what Jen was saying (in this particular regard) is Maci has so frequently lectured Ryan on his parenting and criticized him that of course Ryan is not the least bit interested in going over to her house to sit down face to face and hear more about how he's a shitty dad who cares more about going out than spending time with Bentley and how he's setting Bentley up for years of therapy on why his dad doesn't love him enough. Jen is suggesting that if Maci truly wants to get through to Ryan, she needs to go about it in a different way because her previous methods weren't working.

[ghoulina]

What Ryan does when he has Bentley is really not any of Maci's business, unless the child is being abused, neglected or is in a bad environment. Why is it her business to dictate what happens during visitation with the other parent?

 

Valid point, and I do agree with you. I do think part of Maci just likes to stick it to Ryan. But I also do believe she has concerns about  Bentley feeling passed over by his dad. But yea, you can't just dictate how someone parents. And maybe if she wanted her son parented a certain way, she should have been more careful about who she let impregnate her. 

 

What has me scratching my head is, why did Tyler propose to Catelynn again after their appearance on Couples Therapy, if he has no intention of marrying her?

 

Come on now. He is going to marry her. In a YEAR. He promises he won't change his mind this time. 

 

Heh. 

[SlothLoveChunk]

The only thought that crossed my mind when watching this was "I wonder how long it will take being around the cameras for these folks to stop putting SO much effort into their appearance?".  Catelynn was the only one who looked to me like she was made up like "herself".  Hair pulled into a ponytail, no crazy nice clothes.  Her mom?  HAHA.  Hair volumned and curled to the nines.  I have NEVER seen April look that good, and it was obvious she spent hours on her hair to be in front of the camera.  Even Maci and Amber looked "done up" from their usual selves.  I can't wait until they get comfortable in front of the cameras again.

 

I wanted to smack Tyler hard with his hemming and hawing about marriage.  You've been with this girl for 7 (9? 10?) years, knocked her up twice, and aren't sure if you want to rush into marriage?  Please.  Part of me wants to feel sympathy for Catelynn, and the other part wants me to punch her, drag her by the hair across the country and make her start her life fresh, away from Tyler and her family.  I think she'd stand a chance of making something of herself that way.  As it is now, she's doomed to not be much (although I do believe she'll be a good mom).

 

I actually liked Amber this episode, and in previous seasons I somewhat sided with Gary because Amber was off the wall with her drugs and anger.  But for Gary to have a pregnant girlfriend and say such goading things to Amber like "such a big house for just you..." and "can you really say we'll NEVER be together again?".  It made my skin crawl and I felt so sorry for his current girlfriend (although it's not like she didn't know what she was getting into unless she's been living in a bunker for the last 15 years, a la Kimmy Schmidt style).  Leah is absolutely adorable and you can tell she's a smart cookie.  Depsite their many faults, I think Amber and Gary (despite Gary's often "lost-in-space" look) are actually fairly intelligent people and that's been handed down to Leah.

 

Maci is still pretty boring, and a pushover parent.  But she seems to really enjoy being around Bentley so I can respect that.  Ryan is skeevy and lazy (and gets by on his looks) and if I had procreated with him I'd probably be just as frustrated with him.  But he WAS right about telling Bentley to get over his whining about going to Nashville.

 

Overall, an okay start to the season, but just that.  I wasn't sucked in immediately like I've been previously.  I hope Farrah brings the crazy.

[lezlers]

Excellent parenting. So refreshing.  Watching Maci give in to Bentley who wanted to sleep in her bed, is an example of giving in to one's child rather than setting boundaries. Although, it appears Bentley is acting up because he now has a new man to share his mother with, and that would certainly upset any child in the same situation.

 

What has me scratching my head is, why did Tyler propose to Catelynn again after their appearance on Couples Therapy, if he has no intention of marrying her?

 

To "perform" for their fans. 

[ghoulina]

But for Gary to have a pregnant girlfriend...

 

Wait, what? That chick is pregnant???

[gunderda]

For all Maci's whining that she is the heavy hitter and Ryan pawns Bentley off on his parents, we see Maxi let Bentley call the shots on going to bed while Ryan has something or other out of town and includes Bentley.

Bentley brats it up, Ryan gets down to his level and (clumsily, but still) let's him know that defying his dad is unacceptable.

Who parented their kid there Maci?

I have to say I give ryan a big "GOOD JOB" on that part.  Bentley was acting a brat because he didn't want to leave his fun toys.  He kept saying he didn't want to go to Nashville "because it won't be fun". 

 

I think Maci has consistently complained that when it's Ryan's turn to have Bentley, he's not actually spending time with him - his parents are. Or when he does, it's doing stuff Ryan wants to do, and dragging the kid along. I don't think we see enough of Ryan to know if her concerns are legitimate, but his mother did seem to understand what Maci was talking about. She said, "I've tried to talk to him before too...."

I think that comment was more geared towards his attitude rather than how he parents.  He doesn't like to be told what to do and he probably gives his parents just as much attitude as he gives Maci.  Seems as though none of them have quite figured out how to successfully talk to him though.

 

I think Ryan's parents are partly to blame. They probably overindulged their grandkid when they could have been setting boundaries with Ryan. For example, early on, they could have said "ok Ryan, we're going to a movie and dinner now, we'll see you and Bentley later", when instead, I get they feeling they wanted to be there 24-7 because that's what THEY wanted, not what was best for new dad Ryan. Even if he did live with them.

This 100% and I don't even blame his parents for that.  Grandparents want to have fun with their grandkids.  They don't want to cat like parental figures (it really drives me crazy how much my nephews get away with around my mom - because she wants to be FUN).  My brother is the same exact way when my parents are around - he lets my parents parent them. (Unless they get REALLY out of control)  However my brother has custody of his kids 99.9% of the time so to him a weekend with my parents in town is like a mini vacation to him. But honestly if it was more like a Ryan situation I don't think it'd be any different. And that doesnt' make someone a bad parent. 

 

I think Maci just likes to bitch.  How does she know what Ryan does with Bentley?  And if his parents do the drop offs for him, is it possible that he just doesn't want to be a part of more bitching?  I'd bet that's her real trouble, Ryan is smart enough to avoid her constant complaining so she complains about that.

 

How dare he not show up so he can her how much she thinks he sucks. 

I do believe it was Maci's idea to do the drop offs that way a few years ago when they were having issues so if she's got a problem with him avoiding her then that's kinda her fault.  

And that was SOOOO obviously a re-created scene of Catelyn and Tyler finding out they are pregnant.  Catelyn was pretty big and her boobs were HUGE. 

She was not that big before she got pregnant. 

[configdotsys]

Wait, what? That chick is pregnant???

 

I lost a sentence when I posted this the first time... Gary told her "I'm havin' a kid with her" during an argument.

 

Amber was yelling at Gary in the previews that he should not caller her anymore and talk about his penis and he shouldn't be saying that he doesn't want the kid. I think Gary's reply to her was that he did tell the girl that he's not ready for a kid. 

Edited March 26, 2015 by configdotsys

[ghoulina]

I lost a sentence when I posted this the first time... Gary told her "I'm havin' a kid with her" during an argument.

Amber was yelling at Gary in the previews that he should not caller her anymore and talk about his penis and he shouldn't be saying that he doesn't want the kid. I think Gary's reply to her was that he did tell the girl that he's not ready for a kid.

 

Oh good Lord. Maybe if Gary didn't want a kid he should have wrapped his pecker. Or kept it in his pants entirely. I had no idea he was having another child, what a mess.

[gunderda]

Gary's been with this girl for awhile, although i guess these scenes were also filmed forever ago.  But the pregnancy with his girlfriend was announced quite awhile ago i think. Or maybe it seems like forever ago lol

[LexiconDevilOne]

If the mother of my grandchild came over MY house to whine about MY son, I would handle it much the same way Ryan's parents do. I'd agree with her, and tell he the LEAST confrontational way of handling it. Then tell my son as soon as I could what HER intentions are.

 

I have no doubt Ryan's parents are placating Maci so they don't become part of her bullshit. Thus, having a hostile relationship, as well as unnecessary drama,  between themselves and their grandchild's mother.

[jennyf]

In the scene where it looked like Gary and his girlfriend were putting together a bunk bed, she's obviously pregnant.

[anarchyangel84]

I'm actually a little surprised about what some people are saying. I get a lot of it.

I LOVE Catelynn and Tyler. They communicate better than most married adults I know. They've made their share of mistakes. But since they were like 16 or 17 years old, they've had their lives under a magnifying glass. If I had someone watching everything I did from 16 years old on, they'd see that I made some mistakes, didn't always do what I said I was going to, and did some things that I wasn't proud of. No one can HONESTLY say that they did everything right at that age. I am excited for them and happy for them.

Maci is a great mother. Bentley is whiny- and it probably has some to do with filming. But it also probably comes from having to go to two different households with two different sets of rules. I think Maci probably lets him get away with more than he should- that's her baby boy. And Ryan, when he is there, is a little more strict. Maci always thinks of his needs. So I get why she's frustrated with Ryan. She just wants her sons dad to be there for him.

Amber is doing great. Little Leah is so sweet and cute. Gary has done good raising her. Gary needs to make a decision. Does he want Amber or his girlfriend? I don't think he really leads Amber on, but he says things to her that he shouldn't. Especially since he has a girlfriend. I just hope that Amber finds someone and that she & Gary can co-parent in a healthy way. Leah deserves that.

I like seeing Catelynn & Ty, Maci, & Amber- but I really hope we get another season of Teen Mom 2. Minus Jenelle- but keep Barbara & Jace.

[GreatKazu]

Bentley has two parents - Ryan and Maci. How they choose to spend their time with Bentley is on the two of them. Whether Ryan's parents are taking care of him a lot, I don't see the problem because they are grandparents and they likely do spoil the kid. From what a therapist said to me once, "When a child has two parents, no one else should be performing that role." The grandparents have their role. Ryan's mom should not be telling Ryan aka speaking on behalf of Maci, on how to raise Bentley or how he should be parenting his own child. If the child is not being abused, then all of them need to shut their pie holes and let Ryan do his thing. If the grandparents choose to be babysitters, that is their choice. If they have a problem with it, then they need to speak up, not Maci. Grandparents are known for wanting to spend as much time with their grandchildren and if they enjoy being with Bentley, that is their choice.

 

 

Bentley may grow up thinking something is wrong with him because his dad would rather dump him at the grandparents and do his own thing.

And that is for Bentley to deal with later on in life. Maci cannot put a protective bubble around Bentley and try to keep him from disappointments in life, including the ones Ryan may make. It also applies to Maci. Bentley may end up resenting his mother for bringing every dick under the sun into his home when she could have just been a single parent and enjoyed her life with her child. Whatever these two parents do, Bentley may think and feel bad things about them. It is a part of life. If Ryan and Maci both do things that are questionable, Bentley will eventually figure that out and he will draw his own conclusions on how to handle it. Bentley may end up being buddy-buddies with Ryan instead of having a father-son relationship. Whatever happens, Maci cannot control fate. She can only control herself and that is what I think she needs to concentrate on.

[Miasmomma]

I am sure that with the MTV money that the Teen Moms (and Tyler) and given where they live I would bet that they bought the houses without needing mortgages. I don't blame them getting paid for reality TV. Should they do it for free? I do worry that there maybe an unreal expectation of the shelf life of their reality stardom.

Catelynn and Tyler never really forgave themselves for giving up Carly. I think they understand that what they did was for the best but I don't think they ever really moved on. This is their do over right or wrong.

Amber needs to get herself a support system and get herself to some meetings. Your kid shouldn't be your go to to keep you sober you need to work your sobriety.

[njmama]

I think when it comes to Catelynn and Tyler, they did what they thought was the right decision for them at that time...adoption. Then, Teen Mom and Teen Mom 2 airs and they think maybe they COULD'VE done it and kept Carly. Major guilt set in after seeing some of these other parents. My personal opinion.

As much as I would like to give Ryan props for putting his foot down as a parent regarding Nashville, I saw it more as him being his usual selfish self. I want to go to Nashville, so you're going to Nashville and there's nothing you can do about it! Ryan always did whatever he pleased, why stop now.

I see Maci heading down the same path as Leah from TM2. Meeting a new guy online, now living together, knocked up, new guy in for more than he bargained for, won't get along with her ex, new guy bails. Hope she doesn't turn to pills though.

These shows are so predictable now and adding Farrah to the mix probably won't help anything either.

[DangerousMinds]

In Tyler's defense, he may never have observed a successful, happy long-term marriage and this has turned him off to the institution.

[NikSac]

I'm pretty sure MyPeopleAreNordic was referring to Ryan. Not Bentley.

 

I agree, but what does that mean?  You won't show up to the kid's college graduation, wedding, or his kid's first birthday?  Because the Dad might show up? (sorry if I'm overly emotional about this... personal experience I guess)

Edited March 27, 2015 by NikSac

[configdotsys]

If the mother of my grandchild came over MY house to whine about MY son, I would handle it much the same way Ryan's parents do. I'd agree with her, and tell he the LEAST confrontational way of handling it. Then tell my son as soon as I could what HER intentions are.

 

I have no doubt Ryan's parents are placating Maci so they don't become part of her bullshit. Thus, having a hostile relationship, as well as unnecessary drama,  between themselves and their grandchild's mother.

Running to Ryan and giving him her own--likely embellished-- interpretation of Maci's motives would be mom getting involved in the bullshit and drama and only escalates the problem.  He's over 21. Mom and dad should put the kibbosh on any conversation about the drama and tell them they're old enough to work it out themselves. Instead, mom babies Ryan and with no one but Maci telling him he's being a douche-- and often he is-- he believes Maci is 100% of the problem. 

 

On another note, I'm wondering if Ryan had concerns about Maci now living with this guy that she was involved with online. Has there been any backstory on how they met and how many times they met in person before he moved in with her?

[Tatum]

I agree, but what does that mean?  You won't show up to the kid's college graduation, wedding, or his kid's first birthday?  Because the Dad might show up? (sorry if I'm overly emotional about this... personal experience I guess)

 

To me, there's a big difference between understanding that any celebratory event in your kid's life will likely involve your ex, and that you'll occasionally have to suck it up and deal with it for one day, and having to argue back and forth with your ex daily or weekly on any issues that come up regarding your minor child.

 

This is particularly true if your ex is vindictive. My friend is a single mother and her ex goes out of his way to be difficult. I'm sure she'd much rather have to sigh and smile politely from across the room at him at a church or reception hall than spend 20 total hours haggling with him over their holiday plans for their son in the days leading up to Thanksgiving (she wanted to go out of town, he insisted he needed to see their son on that Friday because it was his day), only to find out, after she cancels her travel plans, makes alternate plans for herself that Friday, THEN he says he'll be busy that weekend after all and she can take him. True story. I don't think anyone is looking forward to their kid turning 18 as much as my friend is.

[GreatKazu]

In Tyler's defense, he may never have observed a successful, happy long-term marriage and this has turned him off to the institution.

And yet, he has proposed marriage how many times? It's one thing to not want to be married, it is a whole other matter to propose marriage, set a date, start planning the event, the bride gets a dress, and suddenly, they end up on Couple's Therapy where Taylor admits he doesn't want to get married, yet.  Sometime later, he then proposes marriage again. Now, he is backing off completely. He is sending different messages to Catelyn and although she should see what all of us see, she can't.  In her mind she wants marriage and he is giving her what she needs to hear instead of being honest.

 

Granted, Taylor's upbringing has been pretty shoddy with regards to his own parents, but that doesn't give him the right to keep playing this game with Catelyn. That is so cruel.

Edited March 27, 2015 by GreatKazu

[gunderda]

 

On another note, I'm wondering if Ryan had concerns about Maci now living with this guy that she was involved with online. Has there been any backstory on how they met and how many times they met in person before he moved in with her?

 

I don't remember reading specific reports but they were in a relationship for over a year before he moved to them.  I always assume he was in the same ring of guys (dirt bikers.... racers....?) that she always met.  I would imagine she went and saw him often - she had a long distance relationship with another guy and she was always visiting him. 

Catelynn and Tyler might be thinking of the "what ifs" and regretting their decision but they need to remember that if they kept Carly then I'm not so sure they would have been chosen for the Teen Mom franchise. There's probably a good chance since their home life was such a mess but they couldn't have counted on that.

[ghoulina]

And yet, he has proposed marriage how many times? It's one thing to not want to be married, it is a whole other matter to propose marriage, set a date, start planning the event, the bride gets a dress, and suddenly, they end up on Couple's Therapy where Taylor admits he doesn't want to get married, yet.  Sometime later, he then proposes marriage again. Now, he is backing off completely. He is sending different messages to Catelyn and although she should see what all of us sees, she can't.  In her mind she wants marriage and he is giving her what she needs to hear instead of being honest.

 

Exactly. Tyler plays with her emotions. I don't know that I think he does it intentionally, like he WANTS to hurt her. I just think he's kind of weak-willed. He cares about Catelynn, and he feels a bond with her because of Carly. But I don't think he's IN love with her. Yet, being this has been his only relationship, I don't know that he has enough experience to know the difference between loving someone and being IN love. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I always get a "friend" vibe coming from him towards her, while I get more of a stage four clinger vibe coming in the other direction. 

 

So, ultimately I think Tyler speaks his mind a bit - voices his concerns about being married, being in this relationship, period. And then Catelynn freaks out and gets all upset, understandably so. He cares about her, feels bad, and ends up re-proposing or whatever to make her feel better again. It's a very dysfunctional, co-dependent relationship if you ask me. And now they're bringing another kid into it, a kid who's not going to get away from them. Sigh....

 

I don't think they're bad people. I always thought they were very mature for their ages. But now that so much time has passed and they're still in the same place, they seem suddenly very immature to me. I think they have the capability to be good parents, but I just don't know that they're good for each other. And Tyler needs to get a grip on his fame-whore tendencies!

[LexiconDevilOne]

Running to Ryan and giving him her own--likely embellished-- interpretation of Maci's motives would be mom getting involved in the bullshit and drama and only escalates the problem.  He's over 21. Mom and dad should put the kibbosh on any conversation about the drama and tell them they're old enough to work it out themselves. Instead, mom babies Ryan and with no one but Maci telling him he's being a douche-- and often he is-- he believes Maci is 100% of the problem. 

 

On another note, I'm wondering if Ryan had concerns about Maci now living with this guy that she was involved with online. Has there been any backstory on how they met and how many times they met in person before he moved in with her?

I have to wonder, are you a parent. If so, how old is your child? And, I think you totally missed the point.

 

If you're a parent, your not looking out for the best interest of YOUR kid (and by extension your grand kid), no matter how old they are? Especially, if they've done nothing to warrant the whining, bitching and complaining by their ex, even if it's their kids mother? Hmm...Okay.

[configdotsys]

I have to wonder, are you a parent. If so, how old is your child? And, I think you totally missed the point.

 

If you're a parent, your not looking out for the best interest of YOUR kid (and by extension your grand kid), no matter how old they are? Especially, if they've done nothing to warrant the whining, bitching and complaining by their ex, even if it's their kids mother? Hmm...Okay.

 

There are a whole litany of things that Ryan has done that make him an asshole and have contributed to the difficulties that these two have with each other. Saying that he has done nothing to warrant complaint is a real stretch.  If his parents were that concerned about them getting along for Bentley's sake, they would talk to him about how he contributes to the tension that exists and ask himself "How I can I make this better?" To Ryan's parents though, that side of it never enters into the equation.

[LexiconDevilOne]

Potato, Potato

 

On the subject of Maci, I don't agree with you. You have your opinion, I have mine...cheers.

[LegallyRed2]

To play Devil's Advocate where Bentley is concerned----I'm no huge fan of Maci, but Bentley's 'behavorial issues' shown in this episode seemed to me as consistent with a 6 year old boy. My son is two weeks older than Bentley (October 2008) and not for nothing, he acts like a little shit sometimes - if he didn't have a nap, especially.. Nothing here was of concern to me -- boys can be way more bratty than girls, believe it or not, at that age. That could be why Leah seems so well adjusted now ---but that will all change in the teen years. Ryan did awesome in that scene.

[configdotsys]

Potato, Potato

 

On the subject of Maci, I don't agree with you. You have your opinion, I have mine...cheers.

Fair enough.  Cheers to you as well.

[LIGirl]

Maybe Bentley thinks Nashville sucks because of all of the times Maci dragged him there to visit Kyle and her friends until they eventually moved there.  He probably really had no one to play with because she was always preoccupied with him and partying with her friends every time he was there with her.  I'd bitch about it too if I was a 5-year-old boy in that situation, haha.

[Maharincess]

To play Devil's Advocate where Bentley is concerned----I'm no huge fan of Maci, but Bentley's 'behavorial issues' shown in this episode seemed to me as consistent with a 6 year old boy. My son is two weeks older than Bentley (October 2008) and not for nothing, he acts like a little shit sometimes - if he didn't have a nap, especially.. Nothing here was of concern to me -- boys can be way more bratty than girls, believe it or not, at that age. That could be why Leah seems so well adjusted now ---but that will all change in the teen years. Ryan did awesome in that scene.

Thank you for this. After reading here, I had to go back and watch the episode again because I thought I had missed his bad behavior. I still didn't see it the second time either. He was acting like a typical 6 year old.

I'm waaay past that stage with my kids now but I remember it well and Bentley seemed just fine to me.

Normal kid stuff. I'd worry about the kid who didn't have their bratty moments.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Maharincess