Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[YupItsMe]

4 hours ago, satrunrose said:

I think Johnathan is the fundy partner I most want to know more about (possible exception of Jed!'s wife Katey). I mean, Derrek was looking for a father figure, Austin had been around forever, JereMe wanted a famous, meek and photogenic wife and Ben wanted someone "hot" and famous and his Dad was right there pushing early marriage. Anna wanted fame and I suspect had critical thinking skills blanket trained right out of her. But what's up with Johnathan? He wasn't local to the Rods and his family wasn't one of the Rods' higher profile sweet friends (aka grifting marks). He's a male, so by cult standards he has the authority to tell Jill to shove it, but every picture he seems delighted to be part of (and a funder for) the Rod family circus. At first I hoped maybe he was trying to protect Kaylee and the littles from the insanity, but if he is then he is playing the looooong game. What the heck was he running from that made Mahmo and DBD seem like a good alternative?

I think he saw Kaylee at one of their church performances and got an instant hard-on. Pre-marriage he always looked like he could just devour her. I also think he moved there to make Kaylee happy (because that’s what Jill wanted) and that he continues to do what makes K happy because he loves her and he’s basically a nice guy. I just hope he’s strong enough to set some boundaries with Jill and the younger kids.

Edited August 1, 2023 by YupItsMe

[satrunrose]

I definitely agree that he's very into Kaylee and I'm glad about that, so many of our other pet fundies seem to have ended up with someone who had a bit of an ulterior motive (mostly famewhoring IMO). Johnathan could still have pulled some variation of a Nathan, though and used his cult-given authority to let Kaylee be "happy" near BME and still not become the 14th Rod. 

I guess it's because Rod life seems like my personal version of Hell, but I can't understand why Johnathan seems so happy with his plastic tray cake instead of maintaining some (minor, if that's what Kaylee wants) distance from his awful in-laws. 

[beckie]

Maybe Jonathan is the (and Kaylee) of his family. 

[oliviabenson]

Someone on Reddit pointed out that Jill should not light candles in a hospital due to oxygen machines. 
 

Guess who might blow up a hospital with her never ending celebrations of anything. 

[oliviabenson]

1 hour ago, beckie said:

Maybe Jonathan is the (and Kaylee) of his family. 

Probably 😢

[GeeGolly]

29 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Someone on Reddit pointed out that Jill should not light candles in a hospital due to oxygen machines. 
 

Guess who might blow up a hospital with her never ending celebrations of anything. 

Patients and employees smoked in hospitals in the not too distant past. 

[BradandJanet]

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

Someone on Reddit pointed out that Jill should not light candles in a hospital due to oxygen machines. 
 

Guess who might blow up a hospital with her never ending celebrations of anything. 

Did Jill bring the trick candles this time? She loves those things. Lots of spitting on the cake to try to blow them out. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

6 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

It’s interesting that David is as vain as Jill. He must ask Jill to dye his beard and hair. At 50 he is probably naturally grey. 

Yeah, most probably, but not necessarily. We used to know an older gentleman - I believe he was pushing 80 by then - who still had ridiculously jet-black hair naturally. I mean, there were a few grey hairs in there if you stopped to study it, but he was not in any way the sort who would bother dyeing his hair. My mother-in-law, as well, by close to the same age, still had the dirty blonde hair she had had all her life. She was religious about keeping up her perm with visits to the salon, but never had to touch up her color. Even when she ended up in a memory care facility where the perm went by the wayside, her hair mostly kept its color, though it did get a bit more grey over the next few years before she passed away.

[oliviabenson]

15 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

Did Jill bring the trick candles this time? She loves those things. Lots of spitting on the cake to try to blow them out. 

They looked like regular $1 candles. Jonathan did spit all over the cake bars. I wouldn’t eat anything.

 

They should have put 1 candle in one cake bar for him to blow out.

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by oliviabenson

[Salacious Kitty]

6 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

They looked like regular $1 candles. Jonathan did spit all over the cake bars. I wouldn’t eat anything.

 

They should have put 1 candle in one cake piece for him to blow out.

 

Where was Jill with her used number candles? 🙄

[crazy8s]

1 minute ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Where was Jill with her used number candles? 🙄

Well we know from whatever recent birthday they have no 2 candle. someone got the used 1 candle and some used singles to make up the difference.  🙄

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, crazy8s said:

Well we know from whatever recent birthday they have no 2 candle. someone got the used 1 candle and some used singles to make up the difference.  🙄

Yup. So thoughtful of Jill, as usual. 

[AstridM]

Before she met Jonathan, Jill shared that Kaylee’s dream was to marry a farmer and live on a farm. Before he moved to Ohio, he DID live on a farm. I’m sure Kaylee would’ve been ok with moving there. Jill is the one who wanted her to live close and stay in Ohio, not Kaylee imo. 

[ginger90]

The picture is a screenshot from a video. Timothy has earned (Timothy) status.

[oliviabenson]

1st male child (Timothy) left for college. Fixed it for Jilly beans. No daughter of hers will ever attend college.

[LilJen]

On 7/29/2023 at 4:30 PM, libgirl2 said:

I wonder how big that bag is.  Is it fanny pack size? Bigger? It does look small. I want to see her using it. 

On 7/29/2023 at 4:57 PM, oliviabenson said:

Next video Jill will point her finger at it and it will be full of plexus samples! 

Olivia benson, you took the words out of my mouth. Pointing her stubby finger with bad nail polish at the “amazing” bag she got for being SUCH an outstanding Plexus pusher *smile*

On 7/30/2023 at 6:59 AM, ginger90 said:

Hallelujah!  David and I felt at the END of ourselves. 😢  So many battles of life. 💔  The weight is sometimes crushing......UNTIL, we knelt down to pray together.  🙏  

We poured our hearts out to God.  
We gave our burdens to Him.  
We thanked Him for the MANY blessings He has given us!  
We trusted Him.

He then gave answers and relief.  David did research.  He took a step of faith to fix our RV with the boys rather than take it in to mechanic.  As of right now, we think it is fixed.  🤞🤞  Please pray with us that the problem has been solved through the guidance of sweet Jesus and my AMAZING husband and sons!  🥰🥰🥰  We are blessed!  😉😊

I was tempted to snarkily allude to other crushing weights. . . But then @sixlets referred upthread to the REAL challenges of women dying far too young from cancer and, well, those are true, difficult burdens that Jill would never have the depth of character to appreciate.

Edited August 2, 2023 by LilJen

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

I think he saw Kaylee at one of their church performances and got an instant hard-on. Pre-marriage he always looked like he could just devour her. I also think he moved there to make Kaylee happy (because that’s what Jill wanted) and that he continues to do what makes K happy because he loves her and he’s basically a nice guy. I just hope he’s strong enough to set some boundaries with Jill and the younger kids.

Isn’t Johnathan related to the Kellers in some way and they met at that wedding? Or is it Johnathan’s cousin that got introduced to Tim?

[Salacious Kitty]

9 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Isn’t Johnathan related to the Kellers in some way and they met at that wedding? Or is it Johnathan’s cousin that got introduced to Tim?

Jonathan is Ellen Coverette's nephew. Ellen is in Jill's Plexus down line and the mother of Timbits' girlfriend. Heidi and Jonathan are first cousins.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[Scarlett45]

4 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Jonathan is Ellen Coverette's nephew. Ellen is in Jill's Plexus down line and the mother of Timbits' girlfriend. Heidi and Jonathan are first cousins.

Thank you. 

[Tdoc72]

6 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

1st male child (Timothy) left for college. Fixed it for Jilly beans. No daughter of hers will ever attend college.

It needs to be fixed further. 1st make child (Timothy) left TEMPORARILY for college. Didn’t he get yanked back real quick with a (possibly bogus) story about the college tricking them about fees? 

[ginger90]

5 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

It needs to be fixed further. 1st make child (Timothy) left TEMPORARILY for college. Didn’t he get yanked back real quick with a (possibly bogus) story about the college tricking them about fees? 

 

[ginger90]

[MaryAnneSpier]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

 

 

 

 

That is really puzzling in the final paragraph about ministries not taking pilots if they're in debt. I know one of the unofficial creeds is to live a debt-free life. Still, if a man has gone into debt to get an education to not only help him in the future to provide for his family, but most importantly, spread The Message, then I would think ministries would hire that person if they're qualified and competent. I don't think Jill was being truthful with that claim. 

[merylinkid]

7 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

then I would think ministries would hire that person if they're qualified and competent. I

Consdiering that ministries don't pay well, I can see them insisting on no debt.   Because they know they won't pay enough to have the person pay their debt and be able to live.   They don't want the person to be distracted from the ministry by worry about debt.

But I am laughing at Jill being shocked at 50K for a year of school.   That's pretty average for a real school.   And that doesn't even cover things like plane use and gas.   Even Liberty University is an average of $42K.    

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

 

The main thing to know about this post is that Jill is full of sh** when she says they had no idea about fees escalating over time to pay for aircraft, etc.  Moody has a website.  Anyone can go there and there is a page specifically for financials.  On it, they break down costs year by year, based on what the student is planning to study.  Obviously, those getting commercial pilot training are going to pay a lot more than people not learning to fly and the exact cost is laid out right there, for all majors, for all years of study.  Jill's assertion that the admin at Moody did something shady and deliberately misled them about costs cannot possibly be true.  If anyone can look up the website and see, there is no reason to keep the details secret from potential students.

As usual, Jill cannot admit that she, Dave and Tim either didn't bother to check or that they thought they could grift more or get Moody to allow Timbits to attend at a deeply discounted rate because he was sooooo special and had to make up a reason why he dropped out.  Other than probably not being able to do the coursework due to having such poor homeschooling.

As for those germy little girls pawing at Kaylee's premature baby boy, I have no words.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Notabug

[zenme]

How did they not know the cost of the entire schooling before enrolling him? Isn’t that the first thing the student and/or parent would do?

[Notabug]

1 minute ago, zenme said:

How did they not know the cost of the entire schooling before enrolling him? Isn’t that the first thing the student and/or parent would do?

And it is readily available on a website easily accessed by anyone.  Jill lied to save face after Timmy flunked out, IMO.

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, zenme said:

How did they not know the cost of the entire schooling before enrolling him? Isn’t that the first thing the student and/or parent would do?

Of course, it’s the first thing I did when she announced he was going there! 🤣🤣🤣 The school ignored their questions, sure they did.

[BradandJanet]

My theory is that Tim was put into a lot of "remedial" courses at Moody to get him up to speed, and he struggled even in those. The extra courses would have stretched out the time he needed to stay in school to get a degree. When Jill figured it out, rather than blame her lousy homeschooling and poor financial planning, she concocted a big story about Moody's lying about costs.

Apparently, Tim didn't do any better at Fox Valley Community College, although he was able to get flying lessons from a pilot in the area. He also found a job. For reasons that might have involved Tim's interest in a girl at work and lack of success in school, Jill pulled him home, never to let him go again.

Even now, it's not clear where Tim and working and what he's doing other than buying a house and planning to get married. Growing up Rodrigues has dashed Tim's big dreams, but I hope he and Heidi do OK.

[GeeGolly]

Tim failed at two college attempts and is no closer to being a missionary pilot than he was before. As for his pilot's license I'm guessing there are requirements to keep it current, that he likely isn't doing - because money.

Phil is 20 going into his 2nd year of "college", and the next 2 are almost 19 and 17 years old. Does anyone know what their plans are? Do they need to remain permanent roadies for the Rod Crapps?

[ginger90]

53 minutes ago, Notabug said:

The main thing to know about this post is that Jill is full of sh**

This is why she does the Plexus Reset so often. 

[oliviabenson]

I just looked that tuition alone to NYU is $60,000 a year. Just the tuition. Faints. With fees on campus student pays $90,000 with fees/housing. Wowwww. 
 

Moody is no NYU but it’s easy to find how much school will cost to attend. Jill is a super liar!

[merylinkid]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

.  If anyone can look up the website and see, there is no reason to keep the details secret from potential students.

She also says they asked questions and the school was SOOOOO impersonal.   I bet they asked how much does it cost and the school said "check the website."   Which is not the super special treatment of personalized attention that Jill expects.   The school treated Tim like any other student enrolling instead of the Super Special Warrior for God that Jill thinks he is.   Ignoring the fact that anyone attending Moody is there for the religious aspect, so Tim was not any different from any other student enrolling.

Or as you said, Jill was totally expecting a HUGE DISCOUNT just for existing and got mad when  it didn't appear.

[oliviabenson]

In Christian love,

that sent me into giggles.

How neat! (smile)

[BradandJanet]

33 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

She also says they asked questions and the school was SOOOOO impersonal.   I bet they asked how much does it cost and the school said "check the website."   Which is not the super special treatment of personalized attention that Jill expects.   The school treated Tim like any other student enrolling instead of the Super Special Warrior for God that Jill thinks he is.   Ignoring the fact that anyone attending Moody is there for the religious aspect, so Tim was not any different from any other student enrolling.

Or as you said, Jill was totally expecting a HUGE DISCOUNT just for existing and got mad when  it didn't appear.

I vote for number two: HUGE discount that didn't come.

Colleges are businesses, and admission counselors are there to sell among other jobs they do. They are nice and helpful to everyone, although they might whisper in private about the ultra annoying. They truthfully explained the costs and what aid, if any, Tim might get, but Jill didn't want to hear. 

ETA: Did Jill fill out the FAFSA form? That would be the first step to getting money. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by BradandJanet

[Absolom]

Tim also took at least three attempts to pass the very basic private pilot license exam.  This is an extremely strong indication that the person is not cut out for a future in aviation.  It's an automatic washout in many if not most pilot training programs.  

[crazy8s]

45 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

ETA: Did Jill fill out the FAFSA form? That would be the first step to getting money. 

But this is Jill - her first step is always the grift. She posted they left Timothy with a little money for groceries and he had a job lined up that paid VERY well. But should anyone want to help Timothy reach his goal you could send a donation. (to Jill I am sure)

She went in to much detail about finding Tim the proper "like-minded" church in Washington. I think she hoped, planned, expected them to fund Tim to some extent.

The drama over Timothy "flying the nest forever" was something. Not quite on the level of the precious Nurie leaving histrionics, but darn close.

"As SOON as Timothy got back from his graduation trip, he got caught up on his lawns and then packed and headed off to Wilderness Christian Camp.

This is an amazing summer camp that makes a HUGE difference in the lives of young people. He will be working there for a few weeks as a volunteer and also to earn a scholarship for his college.

He has been gone 2 nights now and the girls and I have wept! The empty “feel” in our home is almost more than we can bear. I know that sounds weird since we still have 12 children here. LOL. It proves how CLOSE we are!

Timothy cried on the phone today with us over concern towards his sisters. SOOO sweet. It makes me miss him even more"

 

Even before he left they had emptied every trace of him from the house. I think Tim was teased by his roommates over his space that mama overly decorated with teddy bears and pics of herself.

 

"Well, it is SAD because with heavy hearts we emptied our house of ALL of Timothy’s stuff.  We gazed at his EMPTY bed, his EMPTY space where his dresser sat, all the airplanes hanging around his room – GONE, his desk – GONE.  It all seems so final, so empty, so lonely, as we jam pack our car, his car, and our RV with his stuff and begin our trek West to drop him off to college.  YET, they are HAPPY because they are days that hold possibilities, dreams, and watching Timothy literally SOAR for Jesus!"

and this 🙄🙄

"We literally just left our precious Timothy for good. Tears were shed and every mile we drive East, I feel the finality of it! ????

We are THRILLED that we were able to help get him all comfortably settled in his new house (student housing). The guys there call his bedroom nook, “The Throne”. LOL. I love to decorate and Timothy is sentimental and very neat like me. So, his area is quite cozy."

 

[ozziemom]

FAFSA! That would be an ebil government form, no way JillyBean is filling that out!!

[oliviabenson]

SEVERELY precious Mahmo stunts/cripples her children forever. Her offspring will never be able to survive in the ebil world without the awful parents supervision.

 

[BradandJanet]

4 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

The drama over Timothy "flying the nest forever" was something. Not quite on the level of the precious Nurie leaving histrionics, but darn close.

"As SOON as Timothy got back from his graduation trip, he got caught up on his lawns and then packed and headed off to Wilderness Christian Camp.

This is an amazing summer camp that makes a HUGE difference in the lives of young people. He will be working there for a few weeks as a volunteer and also to earn a scholarship for his college.

He has been gone 2 nights now and the girls and I have wept! The empty “feel” in our home is almost more than we can bear. I know that sounds weird since we still have 12 children here. LOL. It proves how CLOSE we are!

Timothy cried on the phone today with us over concern towards his sisters. SOOO sweet. It makes me miss him even more"

Even before he left they had emptied every trace of him from the house. I think Tim was teased by his roommates over his space that mama overly decorated with teddy bears and pics of herself.

"Well, it is SAD because with heavy hearts we emptied our house of ALL of Timothy’s stuff.  We gazed at his EMPTY bed, his EMPTY space where his dresser sat, all the airplanes hanging around his room – GONE, his desk – GONE.  It all seems so final, so empty, so lonely, as we jam pack our car, his car, and our RV with his stuff and begin our trek West to drop him off to college.  YET, they are HAPPY because they are days that hold possibilities, dreams, and watching Timothy literally SOAR for Jesus!"

and this 🙄🙄

"We literally just left our precious Timothy for good. Tears were shed and every mile we drive East, I feel the finality of it! ????

We are THRILLED that we were able to help get him all comfortably settled in his new house (student housing). The guys there call his bedroom nook, “The Throne”. LOL. I love to decorate and Timothy is sentimental and very neat like me. So, his area is quite cozy."

Jill's account sounds like Tim was being permanently deported. 

What a drama queen our Jillybean is. Most people don't take everything they own with them when they go to college. Of course, if all your worldly possessions fit into a nook, I guess it's possible. 

Anyway, as we all know, within a year, Tim had bounced right back into the compound, to a trailer in the backyard, probably without most of his possessions. So much for soaring. 

[BetyBee]

I don't believe anything JillR says. I don't believe she & Dave get on their knees and poor their hearts out to the Lord. I don't believe they all wept when Tim went off to flight school. I do believe Jill weeps at the distance between her and Nurie, but the rest of her claims, especially about the efficacy of Plexus, are all bull. 

[libgirl2]

25 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I don't believe anything JillR says. I don't believe she & Dave get on their knees and poor their hearts out to the Lord. I don't believe they all wept when Tim went off to flight school. I do believe Jill weeps at the distance between her and Nurie, but the rest of her claims, especially about the efficacy of Plexus, are all bull. 

Jill is a Drama Llama. 

[Salacious Kitty]

About the only thing true in Jill's story is that Timbits only lasted a semester at Moody. And even that point is poorly written and made to seem that he spent the spring semester in school and working. Nope. 

[P2C2E]

I do believe she cried. I believe she was hysterical. Not because of love but because she's an emotional manipulator. I have a family member that uses this tactic. It's sobbing and hysteria and how will I live without you and don't leave me. It's not out of love, it's out of control. 

[GeeGolly]

I believe Tim took his model airplanes and his stuffed animal with him. I know a saw a picture of the stuffed animal on his 'dorm room' bed.

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

In Christian love,

that sent me into giggles.

How neat! (smile)

She doesn't love anybody but Jill.  I doubt she loves Hunk as much as she professes.

[Salacious Kitty]

14 minutes ago, P2C2E said:

I do believe she cried. I believe she was hysterical. Not because of love but because she's an emotional manipulator. I have a family member that uses this tactic. It's sobbing and hysteria and how will I live without you and don't leave me. It's not out of love, it's out of control. 

If she cried, it's because this public failure reflected poorly on her, and her ego was bruised. 

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I believe Tim took his model airplanes and his stuffed animal with him. I know a saw a picture of the stuffed animal on his 'dorm room' bed.

I looked for the picture because I also remember a stuffed animal and a fairly large picture of mama by his bed. No luck finding it so far. A lot of the old blog pics don't show up any longer.

I believe Jill cried and carried on over Timothy, but to a lesser extent than with Nurie. But it was certainly contrived to control the others to always have a heart to be near mama.

But Jill was stuck - She had to let Nurie go so she could brag about Nurie and Anna Duggar's brother. I think she let Tim go because she had delusions that Tim being a pilot meant she would be able to travel like the Duggars. No more RV, pilot son would fly her wherever.

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I believe Tim took his model airplanes and his stuffed animal with him. I know a saw a picture of the stuffed animal on his 'dorm room' bed.

Whoah! You mean he didn't give his stuffed animal to precious Mahmo, all the better for her to remember him? How did she miss that one?

Edited August 2, 2023 by Jynnan tonnix

[BradandJanet]

Considering how little space Tim had in the shared barndo bedroom, I suppose it's possible he took everything with him. I'm not sure the dresser had to go since most dorm rooms have storage. Jill decorated his space, so probably most of the crap in the car was her dollar store finds. 

Poor guy. What eighteen-year-old brings stuffed animals and pictures of Mama to display in a dorm room. Even at Moody, I bet there was talk behind his back. 

Jill is mentally unhinged. It's hard to let kids go, but holding them as emotional hostages is a tragedy.