S05.E12: Remember

[diebartdie]

Seemed to me the fratty boys were confused in their thinking, similar to Philip with his daughter.

[Irritable]

I know this is all going to turn into a flaming pile of screaming shit really soon, but for a little while, I just want to enjoy seeing everyone (well, except Daryl) all cleaned up and wearing fresh clothes, sitting on furniture, not scrambling every minute to just barely eke out an existence while always sleeping on dirt with one eye open.  I had grown incredibly weary of all these seasons of caked on filth and dried blood, and it would be nice to watch them actually help build a community and see how that goes for a while, but I'm not foolish enough to think that it could ever happen past 3 episodes. 

 

Also, I presume at least one of the men who was exiled are going to be making a bitter, vengeful appearance soon, pulling one of our people aside to warn them that things aren't really as they seem inside the walls, etc.,.

Edited March 2, 2015 by Irritable

[BrokenRemote]

And yet the Douchebag Brigade was doing something monumentally stupid. I don't see how they've survived this long based on that nonsense

Maybe they haven't always been the people who did the runs, and these two got promoted when those 3 people were exiled or when the 4 friends died, so they haven't been at it long.

[ae2]

Ass biscuits.

[SimoneS]

Yes, the Alexandrians have survived, but it sounds like they have been losing tons of people left and right which is why the send out Aaron and Eric to find new people.

[diebartdie]

Also, even with the solar power, using electricity on frivolous things like video games would just have to be pretty much forbidden except for maybe once a month or something.

[GodsBeloved]

And yet the Douchebag Brigade was doing something  monumentally stupid. I don't see how they've survived this long based on that nonsense other than living in a fortress.

Yes that was stupid but the community still stands. Besides Rick and his followers have done their share of stupid and yet the group is still here.

 

As I said before, they can learn from Rick and crew and Rick and crew can learn from them.

[JenMcSnark]

Seemed to me the fratty boys were confused in their thinking, similar to Philip with his daughter.

 

I thought they were overconfident little shits who think they're the bestest! because they've survived.  Glenn spoke Truth when he intimated that they were the reason their friend ended up as walker dinner.  

 

Philip at least had been out in the world and suffered some trauma which made him into a crazy fuck.  Aidan just seemed to be a crazy fuck by nature. 

[raven]

I think probably most of the Alexandrians are complacent and maybe overconfident; Deanna knows that the community needs to be shaken up somehow or they won't survive.

Edited March 2, 2015 by raven

[BrokenRemote]

Also, even with the solar power, using electricity on frivolous things like video games would just have to be pretty much forbidden except for maybe once a month or something.

If the community was built to run all those McMansions off the grid, then their system can handle video games. Water heaters use a lot more power but each house has one--they haven't made a shower house where they all have to bathe so they don't have to run dozens of water heaters, so I feel they're ok with power.

[blaksheba]

I am perhaps the only person in the known universe who can not stand Darryl Dixon. It's like they try so hard with him. If the "we brought dinner" joke had come from some one else, I would have like it. IDK, I just don't like this character. I'm sorry I don't, because sometimes it hampers my enjoyment of this show.

 

Even though he was not the focal point of this episode, he annoyed me. I get that everybody needs to be careful here, but his belligerence just irks me. As stated by Rick in the episode, he and Lori used to drive through communities like Alexandria thinking "one day!", so as ghoulina pointed out upthread that pre ZA class differences may start to show in Alexandria. Maybe the writers are subtly pointing out that this possible reality may come to the fore. 

 

This episode was interesting in calling back to previous seasons: isolated angry Darryl from season 1, and Rick last line seemed to channel season 2 Shane when they were on Hershel's farm. I also loved tough Glenn. I get tired of seeing Glenn play the background. Tough Glenn is always sexy.

[Valhalla]

Bwahaha, I laughed out loud at Carol's question about the Junior League, and her self-desription of "den mother." Yeah, if den mother means the bitch from hell who taught her Story Hour charges how to kill, single handedly blew up the Termites and left Tasha Yar to die screaming being eaten up by Walkers, well then yeah she's just the head Girl Scout!

I really liked this episode. Even though not much happened action-wise (I mean seriously, was anyone actually scared when walkers started lurching toward Rick and Carl? Or Tara?), all the emotional reactions from our group seemed right on line for people coming in from the cold. They are walking trauma.

I get why Daryl won't shower, I just don't agree. Dude, you can still be a bad mofo after the application of some body wash -- your uncut hair will still scare off anyone alive!

[TexasChic]

I saw him in the background, don't remember when, just remember seeing him.

I think it was when they were giving up their guns, because I was wondering if he had one.

[diebartdie]

Yes they are complacent if they just waste electricity like that! I mean I can see having monthly "movie night" or "video game night" or "disco night" but just sitting, inside, playing nintendo instead of being outside, building something useful or even just exercising,that pissed me off a little bit.

 

Edit to quote Brokenremote "If the community was built to run all those McMansions off the grid, then their system can handle video games."

 

Point taken, I'll let it go.

Edited March 2, 2015 by diebartdie

[janie31]

It's interesting that michonne was so anti Woodbury but pro this place. Is it a gut feeling she had\has?

Did rick really go on the walk and see the husband? It cut right to him awake on the floor. Was it a guilt dream?

[mla40]

Brought dinner. LOL, but Darrel, SHOWER!! If Glen showered he either forgot to wash his hair or found some slick gel asap.

Ricks haircut lady was lucky running her hands through his hair ;) her husband isn't going to have a good outcome.

Frat boys, they even made Tara look bad ass in comparison.

I love Carl's new girlfriend, looking forward to what's going to happen with that whole scenario.

Deanna, I would love to see ALL of her interview recordings, that would shed some light on things I think.

Carol is awesome, I love that woman in her little cardigan cooking meals and remembering her dearly loved husband.

Michone? What the fuck is up with her? Glad you got to brush your teeth.

Did they show anyone else?? They're like the back-up singers, there but not there.

[ghoulina]

Regarding these people being weak, they have survived just as long as Rick and his followers. They also have what appears to be a functioning society. I think both sides can learn from the other.

Rick, instead of preying on the weak and taking what they have built why don't you and your followers just leave and go build your own society for the strong?

 

They only survived this long because they were behind gates and walls. I don't think you can compare that to Rick's group surviving "out there". And they didn't entirely build that community. Those houses, the solar, the water setup - already there. They did build the walls. They're not entirely useless. But they need to get their shit together. Those Pottery Barn houses should be boarded up or have some sort of security, on the chance that someone, or something does get beyond those walls. Do they even have a watch? Enid got out without anyone seeing her.

[BrokenRemote]

Daryl annoyed the hell out of me this episode too. Dude, the world is over. It's not about classes anymore. If you can get a hot meal and some of the filth off your skin before it turns to infected sores, take it!

[nodorothyparker]

A lot of tablesetting this episode.  The jury's still out on some of these townspeople, but Deanna is definitely interesting.  Her son is just too stupid to live and it was immensely satisfying to watch Glenn knock him on his ass.

 

I loved loved loved the triumvirate of our original three at the end agreeing that the place has the potential to make them soft and Rick completely serious that they may have to take it over.  I loved loved loved Carol playing the meek little housewife who misses her dear husband.  I don't know that I've ever seen someone make a pastel twinset look that disturbing.  I also love that Daryl and Rick clearly realized exactly what she was doing and that nobody felt compelled to comment on it.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Mofos out there, calling for a walker like a lost dog.

:FACEPALM:

[oakville]

FPP was in the background in the scene where they are turning in the weapons. I loved this episode. Rick shaves!. The group gets clean clothes & a nice place to live.

 

Alexandria seems to be too good to be true. Electricity, running water & high walls to keep out walkers.

[kikismom]

. As stated by Rick in the episode, he and Lori used to drive through communities like Alexandria thinking "one day!", so as ghoulina pointed out upthread that pre ZA class differences may start to show in Alexandria. Maybe the writers are subtly pointing out that this possible reality may come to the fore. 

I'm also remembering Michonne's nice high-rise condo and wondering if once you get some nice surroundings back, can you face going back in the wilderness again.

 

I do like something that is similar to the early seasons; especially season 2. Having so many different storylines to keep track of with different characters Instead of 4 episodes of one character dragging out their mope to no point.

[Raven1707]

I think I saw Father Gabriel in the "turn in your guns" scene.

[ParadoxLost]

They only survived this long because they were behind gates and walls. I don't think you can compare that to Rick's group surviving "out there". And they didn't entirely build that community. Those houses, the solar, the water setup - already there. They did build the walls. They're not entirely useless. But they need to get their shit together. Those Pottery Barn houses should be boarded up or have some sort of security, on the chance that someone, or something does get beyond those walls. Do they even have a watch? Enid got out without anyone seeing her.

 

The fact that a teenage girl can climb the wall with no one noticing and that they all have to turn in their guns means that the people of Alexandria have no idea that the survivors are the biggest threat not the zombies.

 

I think that Congresswoman and Rick are aligned in their motives right now.  They both want to see if the people of Alexandria can learn survival skills.  Rick is totally going to take over one way or the other because they haven't been tested and inevitably will be tested at some point.  When that happens the only people to survive will owe it to Rick and his group.

[ghoulina]

Also, I presume at least one of the men who was exiled are going to be making a bitter, vengeful appearance soon, pulling one of our people aside to warn them that things aren't really as they seem inside the walls, etc.,.

 

I didn't even think of, but yea....maybe they are the "Unfair Wolves".

[diebartdie]

I dont think Darryl will ever really give up the class war. Remember he went off on Beth of all people, insinuating she was some high and mighty queen bee when she and her family were only SLIGHTLY "higher class" than Darryl and in fact, if Herschel had not given up the drink when he did and for as long as he did, no doubt his family would have been the same strata as Darryl. Darryl will die before he can give that one  a rest, growing up that poor, under circumstances that mean leaves a mark on some (of us) a mile wide and 20 miles deep.

[kikismom]

I didn't even think of, but yea....maybe they are the "Unfair Wolves".

But the sign about wolves was in Richmond. 100 miles away.

[BrokenRemote]

I dont think Darryl will ever really give up the class war. Remember he went off on Beth of all people, insinuating she was some high and mighty queen bee when she and her family were only SLIGHTLY "higher class" than Darryl and in fact, if Herschel had not given up the drink when he did and for as long as he did, no doubt his family would have been the same strata as Darryl. Darryl will die before he can give that one a rest, growing up that poor, under circumstances that mean leaves a mark on some (of us) a mile wide and 20 miles deep.

Yeah, I agree with that and know it first-hand to some extent. But doesn't the world ending and all these people have seen and done leave a mark ten miles wide and 100 miles deep? I mean, we can only speculate, of course. I just don't like where they've been taking Daryl recently. Next week I expect him to go cut himself because he feels left out.

[ParadoxLost]

 

Also, I presume at least one of the men who was exiled are going to be making a bitter, vengeful appearance soon, pulling one of our people aside to warn them that things aren't really as they seem inside the walls, etc.,.

 

I think its more likely that they were killed not exiled.  I think the Congresswoman understands enough to know its not safe for people that don't fit in to be running around loose knowing what they have, but she doesn't understand that this is a reality her community needs to understand to survive so she hides the ugly truth.

 

The questions are always important and I think we'll learn that she will lie about 'how many people have you killed?'

[raven]

I think too with Daryl, Rick's group are his family.  Now the family's been merged and he's not comfortable with these new people, plus his family's changed - not just clean, but Carol and Rick are dressed differently.  Too many changes at once.

[JenMcSnark]

I dont think Darryl will ever really give up the class war. Remember he went off on Beth of all people, insinuating she was some high and mighty queen bee when she and her family were only SLIGHTLY "higher class" than Darryl and in fact, if Herschel had not given up the drink when he did and for as long as he did, no doubt his family would have been the same strata as Darryl. Darryl will die before he can give that one  a rest, growing up that poor, under circumstances that mean leaves a mark on some (of us) a mile wide and 20 miles deep.

 

I don't know about that...Herschel was a doctor and owner a big ranch.  That's higher class than Daryl's family.  There are plenty of alcoholics in the upper classes. 

[Dodginblue]

 

I think that Congresswoman and Rick are aligned in their motives right now.  They both want to see if the people of Alexandria can learn survival skills.

 

I think we don't really know anything about this group yet, how the decisions get made, who plays what role.  I have no idea what the writers have planned but I think possibly the Congresswoman is looking for allies because there are threats to her leadership.  It seem inevitable, once you get past the early days of trying to figure out what you need to survive, getting the walls put up and so on.

 

I think that would be interesting, to see what happens in a community during the ZA that isn't just focused on the next 10 minutes of survival, who are trying to reestablish life somewhat as it was before the ZA.  Is that even possible?   Should it be?  Is that what a ZA world should be all about, figuring out a way to allow kids to play video games?

 

I thought it was interesting that the Congresswoman told Rick that there had been a mass evacuation of northern Virginia so there weren't that many people there.  This would explain why they are out scouting potential groups to join the community, new people coming in to the area from outside but it made me wonder, evacuated to where?  

 

[nodorothyparker]

I've been really critical of Daryl for awhile now because I'm just over all the emo moping.  But I can see potential in what they're doing with him here.  We already know he has a ton of class resentment and probably hasn't been in houses as nice as the ones they've been given.  So it's a kind of a natural for him to be hanging out on the porch unwashed, gutting opossums and drawing all the attention and suspicious looks that he may not be "one of them" while Rick and Michonne play the good constables and Carol does her best Mrs. Cleaver bit.

[Macbeth]

Father PP hasn't really jelled with CDB and was probably grateful to get his own house - and get away from the feral cats.

[Cheetosandchoc]

I am not convinced Deanne is buying Carol's granny act. It would of been a bad idea to call her out on it. Time will tell.

[GodsBeloved]

Last week the show ended with Rick hearing children right? Did I miss something or was that just left out in this episode? No one, not Rick or anyone asking "where are the children we heard"?

Edited March 2, 2015 by GodsBeloved

[lulee]

I don't know about that...Herschel was a doctor and owner a big ranch.  That's higher class than Daryl's family.  There are plenty of alcoholics in the upper classes. 

Just about everyone was doing better than the Dixons pre-ZA. Though Herschel was a veterinarian with a farm. I don't think the Greenes were meant to be see as notably well-off.

[NorthstarATL]

Oh! I forgot about the girl leaving the camp. There was something weird on closed-captioning when Carl was following her. It said "Metal Clanging", which I didn't really notice, and she immediately changed directions and took off running. I was thinking it was maybe a signal, and I thought maybe she still had a group on the outside and she's smuggling out food to them. She had a really full backpack on.

My guess is it's got somethng to do with whomever the Congresswoman exiled. I've always liked full-on susicious Michonne from Woodbury, so her Polyanna attitude still feels really out of character to me even after a few episodes of it being on display. loved Glenn's smackdown of Aiden! Now he should wash his hair. And, also, why didn't Carl cut his hair? I'm  not admiring Rick's parenting skills. Carol's become quite the chameleon, hasn't she? She might just outlast everyone.

   I like the fact that, thus far, there isn't a "bad guy", so much as a conflict between comfort and security, and what you need to survive to survive in the ZA versus what you need to survive in a community. Still, the idea that turning in your weapons is the fallback position in every new place seems shortsighted. Do the Alexandrians not know that the dead turn? No matter how closed off you keep your community, you cannot keep the people within from eventually posing a threat. It's part of why, showers or no, I'd opt to sleep alone.

[ghoulina]

See, I don't even think it's necessarily all about class with Daryl. It's not like Rick was super well off before the turn. He was a cop in a small town, with a cute, but cozy house. I don't imagine Carol and Ed were rolling in the benjamins. Glenn was a pizza delivery boy. Etc. etc. I just think it's more of the fact that Daryl has NEVER really functioned in normal society. He was always on the fringes. So the ZA worked for him. But if they kind of go back to a "normal" life, what does he do? How does he fit in? I just get the sense that he is super uncomfortable because this is unlike anything he's ever known.

[JenMcSnark]

Last week the show ended with Rick hearing children right? Did I miss something or what that just left out in this episode? No one, not Rick or anyone asking "where are the children we heard"?

 

True and it sounded like a lot of children...younger children.  My daughter thinks that was a recording.  But why?

[Maverick]

 If they have electrical power, there's no need for Aaron to have to find a FotoMat for supplies and stumble through developing pictures.  There should be plenty of digital cameras, iPhones, desktop printers and photo stock around for pictures.   I doubt many of the Office Depots were raided that hard.

 

 Did the Alexandrians mention anything about procedures for unexpected deaths?   The trouble with a wall community is that one heart attacks creates a killing machine against a populace with limited means of escape (as CDB well knows).  

[catrox14]

Last week the show ended with Rick hearing children right? Did I miss something or was that just left out in this episode? No one, not Rick or anyone asking "where are the children we heard"?

 

Out living in the corn....

[whyjen8]

My favorite episode in a long while.

 

Once again Carol rocked it.  She's the only one that had the good sense to lie, and she did it flawlessly.  

 

Deanna said it had been a long time since they even considered letting in another group.  Yet the teens said Enid was new too.  So.....she came in alone?  I think she's leaving to give supplies and/or intel to some others.  Think she took  Rick's blender gun too.

[lulee]

I am not convinced Deanne is buying Carol's granny act. It would of been a bad idea to call her out on it. Time will tell.

I agree. A guest on TTD (an actor from Veep) referred to Carol playing possum. I hope it's not foreshadowing with the actual possum being caught and gutted.

[BrokenRemote]

Last week the show ended with Rick hearing children right? Did I miss something or what that just left out in this episode? No one, not Rick or anyone asking "where are the children we heard"?

Well, we know Jesse had 2 kids, and that one couple had 12 grandkids. The one boy told Carl that the little kids go to school in the morning and the older kids go in the afternoon. The way people were looking at Rick's crew when they came in, they could well have pulled the kids inside.

[diebartdie]

Herschel was a veterinarian and maybe Im seeing it from a southern, poor white trash point of view. My dad was an alcoholic, when he didnt drink, we had a nice life. When he did, we lived in a cold trailer with rodents in the walls and bugs every where and if not for food stamps, we would have starved. Ive never been more than the very bottom of "middle class" but I know this, dad did not drink long enough for me to go to college, first two years on his dime, the rest on mine. I have family members that resent that about me and think Im some "high class bitch who dont know her ass from a hole in the ground" (actual quote).

[JenMcSnark]

Just about everyone was doing better than the Dixons pre-ZA. Though Herschel was a veterinarian with a farm. I don't think the Greenes were meant to be see as notably well-off.

Maybe not notably well off, but certainly not in the same class and Daryl and Merle's parents.  And I was more responding to the implication that if Herschel had kept drinking, it would have put him into the same situation as the Dixons.  

[kikismom]

I am not convinced Deanne is buying Carol's granny act. It would of been a bad idea to call her out on it. Time will tell.

Poker players know if you look to the left or the right when you lie, if you kick your leg, what is known as a "tell".

Which would be nice to have on videotape and keep rewinding and freeze-framing...wouldn't it?

[JenMcSnark]

Herschel was a veterinarian and maybe Im seeing it from a southern, poor white trash point of view. My dad was an alcoholic, when he didnt drink, we had a nice life. When he did, we lived in a cold trailer with rodents in the walls and bugs every where and if not for food stamps, we would have starved. Ive never been more than the very bottom of "middle class" but I know this, dad did not drink long enough for me to go to college, first two years on his dime, the rest on mine. I have family members that resent that about me and think Im some "high class bitch who dont know her ass from a hole in the ground" (actual quote).

 

I don't want to belabor the point or argue.  I guess that's just not my view.  We were bottom of the middle class as well, although we did live in a house and my dad worked steadily and didn't drink. 

[oakville]

The fact that a teenage girl can climb the wall with no one noticing and that they all have to turn in their guns means that the people of Alexandria have no idea that the survivors are the biggest threat not the zombies

 

Very good point.  It seems like it was too easy to climb up the wall. Did Enid join the community by herself ? If so, why would she want to escape a safe place?