S05.E15: Welcome To Amsterdam?

[zoeysmom]

Didn't Kyle ask Lisa R. Something about how Harry's "sobriety" was going? For a moment Lisa looked really pissed, then composed herself. Did I imagine this? If so, kind of shitty of Kyle.

There was something chopped up about that scene.  I don't think Lisa minded because well if you haven't seen the First Look, Lisa has more family members to discuss.  HH has written and talked about the role substances have played in his life and his family's.

[Trooper York]

The funniest part of the whole episode was when Kyle refused to use the straw after Brandi touched it. But Kyle baby if she drank from it and then you did you are still swapping spit! Diseased Brandi spit! 

 

RUN AWAY KYLE!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!!

 

 

Edited February 28, 2015 by Trooper York

[WireWrap]

The funniest part of the whole episode was when Kyle refused to use the straw after Brandi touched it. But Kyle baby if she drank from it and then you did you are still swapping spit! Diseased Brandi spit! 

 

RUN AWAY KYLE!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!!

 

 

I don't think Kyle knows about backwash! LOL

[rho]

Thanks rho, Fozzybear, Zoeysmom, AnnA and everyone who helped me understand better where all of the HW live.  I wonder if distance plays a part in where they shoot their scenes and who shoots scenes together.  Like instead of having most of the ladies drive to Malibu, it might be easier to have them all gather at a more central location around BH.  Where does Brandi live, again?  She's friends (or was) with Yo, and we see her trekking there pretty often for scenes.  Do we know if the HW get any sort of stipend for using their own vehicles or is that included in their salary?

 

Brandi rents a place in Encino which is kind of the midway point between Malibu and BH. Personally, I can't be bothered to go to Malibu for anything, mainly because you have to drive through the canyon to get there and it's kind of dangerous with all the college kids zooming through there. They also have to transport more than the HW. There's a handful of producers and a camera/sound team with them and I assure you they aren't thrilled with the trek to Malibu. There is literally nothing there except for a fancy strip mall, which is why Yoyo and David only ever go to the same restaurant. I'm sure everyone was relieved she held her scavenger hunt in BH.

 

 

I think that I'm so tired of talking about The Three Stooges (Kim, Kyle and Brandi) that I'm now more interested in learning about LA geography and production. And I'm half rubbing my hands together and looking forward to next Tuesday and half already cringing in my chair out of disgust and second-hand embarrassment, because I know it's going to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.  And only because I like Lisa R do I hope that she is given ample "reason" to go all Soap Opera Crazy on Kim, because once you start throwing glasses and tables and shit around and snatching weaves, your reputation is sealed.

 

I know, finally by episode 15? we get the show we've been waiting for. The Brandi/Kim/Kyle charade has dragged on way too long! They should have cast some proper actresses ages ago.

Edited February 28, 2015 by rho

[SwordQueen]

rho -- That's interesting about Malibu.  I guess people just go there for the beach and leave if there's not much else to do?  The beach scenes do look beautiful.  I'm an East Coast/DC girl through and through but man, I love warm weather and beaches.  Every winter I think that maybe I need to give CA a try.  lol 

 

Thank you so much, Zoeysmom.  I had no idea First Looks were so long!  I thought they were maybe a minute or so.  Holy Balls, I wasn't expecting it go down like that. 

 

I want Kim off the show so I can pretend that I never knew who she was.  Sorry she’s an addict but she’s also a horrible human being.  She wants to drag everyone down with her because she doesn't want to get out of the gutter.  Vile.  Even more so than Brandi and there’s no doubt in my mind that that’s why they are “besties”.  Miserable fuckers. 

 

I wish that the Yolanda I saw in those clips was the Yolanda I saw every week.  I actually enjoyed her candor about their lives not being as perfect as they feel pressure to present them to be.  That is the kind of thing I enjoy seeing; a look into the glitz and the glamor of BH but also the real people behind it.  For the first time, actually found her relatable and dare I say, humble. 

 

Okay, I now feel like I have more understanding of where LisaR was coming from with her fixation on Kim’s (non)sobriety and I feel just terrible that she has lost so many loved ones.  She looked like she was in real pain talking about her sister.  Since she and Kyle are longtime friends, I’m sure she knows Kim to some extent and her personality (and reputation) and she knew that Kim was supposedly “sober” at the time of filming.  On Poker Night Kim got into that limo fucked up six ways to Sunday and Lisa knew instantly that she had fallen off the wagon.  Lisa said that she’d never seen Kim behaving that way before.  She absolutely knows from experience that one slip can turn into a total free fall, so yes, imo, she was genuinely concerned about not only Kim, but also about Kyle and how this would all affect her (Kyle being in Harry’s role as the sibling).  Kim did not deserve Lisa's empathy or offers of help.   

 

And I'm more sure that nothing about what she said about Kim was for “air time”.  While I know Lisa can hustle it, I don’t think she has that “Machiavellian” personality like we’ve seen from Camille, Lisa V, and Brandi.  I could be wrong but she just doesn’t seem like a schemer and a plotter to me.   If anything, she seems to be more “in the moment” and “go with the flow” to me. Her approach to handling Kim in the limo seems in line with how she usually is and at that dinner (in the first look) she seemed to be reacting to Kim in the moment, oscillating back and forth from humility and sympathy to confusion to anger.  If Kim hadn't been a Terrible Human Being, there would have been no blow up. 

 

I have a feeling that we're going to overload PTV's bandwidth, on Tuesday/Wednesday, with all of our venting.   

 

 

Don't you love the DC traffic? I avoid the Cabin John Bridge at all costs from 2pm to 8pm it is a parking lot going north.

 

For me, it's going North in the single lanes that get to me.  There are bunch of roads I try to avoid driving on as much as I can because I have no patience for traffic.  lol  I live for my backroad "shortcuts". 

Edited February 28, 2015 by SwordQueen

[Lisin]

Posts about the First Look belong in that topic. 

[Rhetorica]

Posts about the First Look belong in that topic.

Sorry, I didn't realize I was in the wrong thread. But in my defense, my knees hurt, I have a hernia...oh never mind.

[GreatKazu]

Malibu has more than several restaurants. Many small ones and a handful of the more famous ones. There was an episode where they filmed the women taking the coast route, not through the canyon. I believe it was when Camille was on the show.

I think David and YoFo go to the same restaurant because the show gets permission to film there, not because it is the only place in town. It is also closer to their home. Depending on the time of day and availability, some restaurants won't allow filming. Malibu and the coast is so beautiful. If anyone ever travels to these parts, I would recommend checking it out. The view at sunset is phenomenal. We sometimes take visitors to this drive in the canyon where they can see the ocean as the sun goes down. At night, the view of the stars is so beautiful.

YoFo is lucky to have that view.

[ryebread]

I have a feeling that we're going to overload PTV's bandwidth, on Tuesday/Wednesday, with all of our venting.  

 

Annnnd....that's the only downside to the first looks.  They show the good stuff which we hash over from Friday until Tuesday.  Then the full episode will have us repeating much of our First Look venting until the next week.  Homes across America are being neglected.  Children are not being fed.  Grocery shopping is not getting done.

 

And no one has mentioned Kyle's steampunk sunglasses that she was wearing on the bus.  She certainly is expanding her repertoire.

[rehoboth]

Does anyone know how these areas rank in terms of status/income?  For instance, I have no idea if Beverly Park is as affluent as Beverly Hills.

 

I never know how impressed I should be.  lol 

I think that Beverly Park and Bel Air are ritzier than Beverly Hills but BH is much more known to the rest of the country.  And I think I gleaned this info  from comments from the guys of Million Dollar Listing LA.

[hottesthw]

I think that Beverly Park and Bel Air are ritzier than Beverly Hills but BH is much more known to the rest of the country. And I think I gleaned this info from comments from the guys of Million Dollar Listing LA.

I think you're right. And all of my knowledge comes from Josh Flagg as well.

[zoeysmom]

I think I am still trying to recover over the scene of the escalator smash up.  Who knew an injured Brandi is a quiet Brandi?  I do think for the safety of the traveling public they should have a luggage butler-or Kim should be the caboose in the luggage toting train of RH.

Here is the wealthiest place in the area and the US-at the bottom of the article are a list of famous people who reside there-a little RHOBH surprise.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Hills,_California

[ryebread]

Walnut, that visit could be JUST what these broads need : ) 

Ha ha.  I read this as "Walnut, that visit could be JUST what these boards need :)

 

What fun!  I'll meet y'all at the pot café. And stop bogarting that joint Lastwaltz.

[Lastwaltz]

Broads/Boards -- either will do, Ryebread!  (...inhales/exhales deeply, loses then finds the remote, hmmmm, popcorn sounds good....)

[suomi]

Brandi rents a place in Encino which is kind of the midway point between Malibu and BH. Personally, I can't be bothered to go to Malibu for anything, mainly because you have to drive through the canyon to get there and it's kind of dangerous with all the college kids zooming through there. They also have to transport more than the HW. There's a handful of producers and a camera/sound team with them and I assure you they aren't thrilled with the trek to Malibu. There is literally nothing there except for a fancy strip mall, which is why Yoyo and David only ever go to the same restaurant. I'm sure everyone was relieved she held her scavenger hunt in BH.

 

The Country Mart? I've seen Pam Anderson there numerous times, also Sean Penn/Robin Wright, David Arquette/Courtney Cox, Robert de Niro, Charlize Theron. 

http://www.malibucountrymart.com/gallery

 

I'm posting some 'bu beachfront home links in the Small Talk thread.

Edited March 1, 2015 by suomi

[beaker73]

rho -- That's interesting about Malibu.  I guess people just go there for the beach and leave if there's not much else to do?  The beach scenes do look beautiful.  I'm an East Coast/DC girl through and through but man, I love warm weather and beaches.  Every winter I think that maybe I need to give CA a try.  lol 

 

Thank you so much, Zoeysmom.  I had no idea First Looks were so long!  I thought they were maybe a minute or so.  Holy Balls, I wasn't expecting it go down like that. 

 

I want Kim off the show so I can pretend that I never knew who she was.  Sorry she’s an addict but she’s also a horrible human being.  She wants to drag everyone down with her because she doesn't want to get out of the gutter.  Vile.  Even more so than Brandi and there’s no doubt in my mind that that’s why they are “besties”.  Miserable fuckers. 

 

I wish that the Yolanda I saw in those clips was the Yolanda I saw every week.  I actually enjoyed her candor about their lives not being as perfect as they feel pressure to present them to be.  That is the kind of thing I enjoy seeing; a look into the glitz and the glamor of BH but also the real people behind it.  For the first time, actually found her relatable and dare I say, humble. 

 

Okay, I now feel like I have more understanding of where LisaR was coming from with her fixation on Kim’s (non)sobriety and I feel just terrible that she has lost so many loved ones.  She looked like she was in real pain talking about her sister.  Since she and Kyle are longtime friends, I’m sure she knows Kim to some extent and her personality (and reputation) and she knew that Kim was supposedly “sober” at the time of filming.  On Poker Night Kim got into that limo fucked up six ways to Sunday and Lisa knew instantly that she had fallen off the wagon.  Lisa said that she’d never seen Kim behaving that way before.  She absolutely knows from experience that one slip can turn into a total free fall, so yes, imo, she was genuinely concerned about not only Kim, but also about Kyle and how this would all affect her (Kyle being in Harry’s role as the sibling).  Kim did not deserve Lisa's empathy or offers of help.   

 

And I'm more sure that nothing about what she said about Kim was for “air time”.  While I know Lisa can hustle it, I don’t think she has that “Machiavellian” personality like we’ve seen from Camille, Lisa V, and Brandi.  I could be wrong but she just doesn’t seem like a schemer and a plotter to me.   If anything, she seems to be more “in the moment” and “go with the flow” to me. Her approach to handling Kim in the limo seems in line with how she usually is and at that dinner (in the first look) she seemed to be reacting to Kim in the moment, oscillating back and forth from humility and sympathy to confusion to anger.  If Kim hadn't been a Terrible Human Being, there would have been no blow up. 

 

I have a feeling that we're going to overload PTV's bandwidth, on Tuesday/Wednesday, with all of our venting.   

 

 

 

For me, it's going North in the single lanes that get to me.  There are bunch of roads I try to avoid driving on as much as I can because I have no patience for traffic.  lol  I live for my backroad "shortcuts".

DC person here too (I wonder how many of us there are?). I avoid 66 like the plague!

[Almost 3000]

I think I am still trying to recover over the scene of the escalator smash up.  Who knew an injured Brandi is a quiet Brandi?  I do think for the safety of the traveling public they should have a luggage butler-or Kim should be the caboose in the luggage toting train of RH.

Here is the wealthiest place in the area and the US-at the bottom of the article are a list of famous people who reside there-a little RHOBH surprise.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Hills,_California

The funny thing is Hidden Hills and Calabasas are next to each other so suck it Brandi. I couldn't figure out why Brandi thought Calabasas was a slam to the Vanderpump-Todds. Lots of people you'd think were in Beverly Hills live in this area.  

[FozzyBear]

I think that Beverly Park and Bel Air are ritzier than Beverly Hills but BH is much more known to the rest of the country. And I think I gleaned this info from comments from the guys of Million Dollar Listing LA.

Taking this to the small talk thread

[Rhetorica]

Dammit! I posted in the wrong thread again! I'm really smarter than I appear.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Rhetorica

[zoeysmom]

Okay maybe the reason there is so much discourse on this trip is the others are mad that Kyle got extra attention on stage with Steven Tyler?  Perhaps Kim and Brandi thought it should be more of a collaborative effort and not a Steven Tyler/Kyle moment.  I hate to say it but Brandi's dress was so butt ugly I would not want her in the photos.  Not the style the awful color and her hair looked awful.  Or is it that Yolanda, Lisa and Kyle arrived first? 

[motorcitymom65]

Annnnd....that's the only downside to the first looks.  They show the good stuff which we hash over from Friday until Tuesday.  Then the full episode will have us repeating much of our First Look venting until the next week.  Homes across America are being neglected.  Children are not being fed.  Grocery shopping is not getting done.

 

 

And this is the real shame of it. Ladies and gentlemen - you can now get your tulips at Kroger (Harris Teeter/Fred Meyer/Ralph's) for $1/bunch.  Make your places pretty for the Amsterdam episode because the stuff on the TV is going to be ugly. 

 

Since we've seen the dinner episode, I am eagerly anticipating the showdown with Brandi and the rest of the gals on the street. Brandi looks truly distraught. It doesn't look like acting - she looks frustrated as hell. Andy said they had just left a hash house in that clip, so I am wondering what went down? She is calling the others hypocrites.  Maybe after all the talk about addiction the other ladies decide to get stoned and she thinks they shouldn't? Lisa kind of alluded to this in her blog. She called out that Brandi was the first one to shout out "yea, we can smoke pot" upon learning they were going to Amsterdam, but said something like "oh, how things change".  That should be good.  

[Satchels of gold]

In order to flip housewives and elicit different reactions to these things, it seems it would require also flipping every iota of these housewives' fundamental personalities.  

 

If, for example, Lisa V ran around drunk, belligerent, and blatantly stirring up shit everywhere she went, no one would be shocked at the "spread eagle" comment.  That's not we expect from Lisa V so of course it's kind of surprising to hear her utter such a thing.    

 

On the other hand, If Brandi had made the "spread eagle" comment, no one would be surprised because it would be in line with her past behaviors we've seen on the show and her own tales of drunken debauchery.

 

Our reactions are based on what we've been shown on the program and based on what we know of their personalities (which is I believe Bravo's intent with these shows, to keep us a bit in the dark about certain things the women are capable of saying or have said that they choose not to show us), so, forgive me, but I don't quite grasp what it is you're trying to convey with this post.

 

Maybe I need another cup of coffee because I'm probably not expressing myself well at all.

I think you explained it quite well. We are not judging these actions in a vacuum. Each wife brings her history on the show with her.

[Sincerely Yours]

Chiming in to comment on Kim and whether Kyle is a true support system. Why is Kyle the only person who should even be Kim's rock, pillar, what have you? Kim has adult children.

 

My thinking is that Kyle has been the main one so of course Kim has that sense of security with her or at least had. My thing is that if the bridge has been burned which I'm sure we can all assume it has then it's time for Kyle to put the message out there loud and clear anything less is a disservice to Kim. If the designation isn't made then Kim is always going to feel like Kyle's not truly there for her and this whole cycle is going to continue. Kyle's logic is off kilter because her emotions take over and for all the support she has given to Kim there is something to be said about the decisions Kyle does make that are in fact harmful to Kim. (Her reactions, and outbursts etc. etc.) Just because Kim has made her own bed doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge or validate Kim's reactions to Kyle's missteps. Just because Kyle has been "put through hell" doesn't mean that she doesn't have any responsibility to Kim in how she treats her in the present. She knows its a rollercoaster and if she can't get off the ride then that's on her but I really don't get sticking around exasperating the situation even more.  I get the feeling that Kyle's at a point where she wants to share the sister things and family things and friends things with Kim but for the rest of it all bets are off and it just doesn't work that way. Put the big girl panties on and get on with it or put the girl panties on and accept it but from season 1 to now it looks to me like she's always riding the fence when it comes to "what to do about Kim". Its hard I get it but after awhile just as Kim's addiction and antics get old no matter how tragic the subject matter so does Kyles constant confused state. 

[Higgins]

It's interesting because both sisters feel like the other is not sticking up for them. With Kyle. it is when Brandi is questioning her behavior and it seems Kim is upset that Kyle isn't asking Lisa and Eileen to back off and not keep bringing up Kim's stumble.

[copacabana]

It's interesting because both sisters feel like the other is not sticking up for them. With Kyle. it is when Brandi is questioning her behavior and it seems Kim is upset that Kyle isn't asking Lisa and Eileen to back off and not keep bringing up Kim's stumble.

 

It is, isn't it?  In what world do adult women expect folks to take sides this way, all the time?  Even sisters?  It's one of the avenues that begins to chip away at that mysterious 4th wall.  In the real world of women being friends in a group, this kind of score keeping would threaten either to be dismissed or  would break up the group after awhile. But, because it's tv, we get to watch these alliances come and go and mutate in the most bizarre ways.  I've been watching this train wreck since the start and can scarcely keep up with all the war games that have gone on.  It's like trying to keep up with the history of Western Europe since the beginning of time.  

 

The hotel looks nice and homey. MotorCity has me in full tulip buying mode!  And not for a dollar either.  

 

Much as I hate to say it, since I think it's totally undeserved, I think old Kim will survive yet another season with her crazy banner held high.  She's truly the teflon HW.

[ryebread]

I think you explained it quite well. We are not judging these actions in a vacuum. Each wife brings her history on the show with her.

I dunno.  Sometimes I think stupid stuff coming out of any of their mouths should be regarded equally - no matter who says it or what their history on the show is.

 

When Vanderpump told Rinna to "get your skinny ass" back into the restaurant with the flower arrangement, perhaps our response to that would have been different if Kim had said it?  I don't think it was even noted here when Lisa did because it was a joke, dahling.

 

If Rinna would have told Vanderpump to "get her fat ass" on the bus or whatever, even jokingly, would there have been any outrage?  Or only if Brandi or Kim said it?  Or is because skinny is better than fat?  Lines are so blurry.  That's why I maintain they should be called out equally.

 

I agree in theory with persnickety's post:   

In order to flip housewives and elicit different reactions to these things, it seems it would require also flipping every iota of these housewives' fundamental personalities.

 

but I have to say that some of the Hos get passes when they probably don't deserve it. And I think that's because sometimes I/we're busy paying so much attention to the Hos that really shouldn't be getting our attention at all.  For me, that's Kim, Brandi and Kyle.

 

Over. Them.

[Higgins]

The whole season has been about Kim. Who would have thought that she would be the focus?

 

I am looking at flights to Holland when the tulips are in bloom! What a gorgeous country. See, there is some good coming from this trashy show I can't seem to stop thinking about. WTF? I really can't stand any of them. Although I have had a soft spot for Kim because she is broken but she is wearing thin. She misplayed the whole thing. She would have looked so much better if she ignored the harpies then they would have looked as desperate for a storyline as they really are.

[ryebread]

See, there is some good coming from this trashy show I can't seem to stop thinking about. WTF? I really can't stand any of them.

 

My parents, one of my sisters and two friends got tulips from me yesterday because of this thread, so that's something.  But WTF, indeed. Know how I rationalize all the time I spend here, Higgins?  My dad has dementia,  *I* could get dementia.  Participating here keeps my writing skills, memory, verbal, and debate skills sharp. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

To the same end, I could also do crosswords but I prefer to analyze cross words.  See what I did there?  Sharp as a razor, I'm tellin' ya.

 

I can't wait to see how the Hos transition from that epic throw down at the dinner table to riding bikes in the countryside. 

[copacabana]

All I know is that I just sent my 90 year old father and my beloved step-mother a big old bouquet of ... tulips!  Because last chapter = Holland = tulips = last chapter = watching RHBHs tv show. In Amsterdam.

 

Kim may end up getting a big old pay raise as the result of all this mishegoss --  on both sides of the pond!

 

The whole season has been about Kim. Who would have thought that she would be the focus?

 

 

 

I know, right?  Who would've thunk it?  It's no wonder we've gotten into trouble with the grown-ups!  Kimmie made us do it!  Cheers to all.  

 

The airport they all deplaned from in Amsterdam looked so nice and civilized.  Super advertising for travel to that country.  Also escalators can kill.  Yo gave them some advice when she told the wenches to let the pros handle those amounts of welcome to Versaille luggage. 

[talula]

It is, isn't it?  In what world do adult women expect folks to take sides this way, all the time?  Even sisters?  It's one of the avenues that begins to chip away at that mysterious 4th wall.  In the real world of women being friends in a group, this kind of score keeping would threaten either to be dismissed or  would break up the group after awhile. But, because it's tv, we get to watch these alliances come and go and mutate in the most bizarre ways.  I've been watching this train wreck since the start and can scarcely keep up with all the war games that have gone on.  It's like trying to keep up with the history of Western Europe since the beginning of time.  

 

The hotel looks nice and homey. MotorCity has me in full tulip buying mode!  And not for a dollar either.  

 

Much as I hate to say it, since I think it's totally undeserved, I think old Kim will survive yet another season with her crazy banner held high.  She's truly the teflon HW.

I totally agree...without the Bravo contract some of these ladies wouldn't give each other the time of day, let alone travel to Amsterdam together.  It is Bravo and Andy Cohen's belief that ratings improve and are driven by conflict. So there's no way we'd ever get a harmonious group.  Without Brandi and Kim the other ladies could enjoy their long term friendships.  Lisar says she's known Yolanda, LisaV, Eileen and Kyle forever...so it may be easier to stir the pot with those cast members she doesn't know...Brandi & Kim. 

 

When Lisar had that lunch with Brandi she knew she was in Lisar's crosshairs, so to protect herself she threw Kim under the bus by feeding Lisar just what she wanted to hear...Kim has relapsed and Lisar took the ball and ran with it.

 

You just might be right Brandi and Kim might survive or at the very least one of them.

Edited March 2, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[motorcitymom65]

It's interesting because both sisters feel like the other is not sticking up for them. With Kyle. it is when Brandi is questioning her behavior and it seems Kim is upset that Kyle isn't asking Lisa and Eileen to back off and not keep bringing up Kim's stumble.

I have noticed this as well.  I think the difference (at least this is the way I am looking at it, who knows what these ho'wives are thinking) is that Kim is allowing Brandi to say things to and about Kyle that are completely different than the things that Kim is saying to Kyle. Kim tells Kyle when she visits her after she gets out of the hospital that she is her best friend, that nothing could ever come between them. She is telling Kyle that she has always been there for her. Then the very next day she stands mute while Brandi hurls accusations at her. I think that Kyle is simply looking for Kim to repeat to Brandi the same things she has said to her in private. On the other hand, the things that Lisar is saying to Kim are probably things that Kyle agrees with and has said to Kim in private. That she is worried about her. That she shouldn't have taken the pill. That she should have covered up her mic so the world didn't know about the pill. 

Edited March 2, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Higgins]

There may be a difference but I suspect Kim is hearing from Brandi that Kyle is not sticking up for her with the ladies and from her perspective ( defensive), Kyle is selling her out. I think that is what she means when she says Kyle hasn't been there for her. I think she is hearing that Kyle is with the other women talking behind her back on camera. The thing is, it's not true. Kyle has been very careful not to this season.

 

The irony is that it is Brandi that is really using Kim.

[WireWrap]

I dunno.  Sometimes I think stupid stuff coming out of any of their mouths should be regarded equally - no matter who says it or what their history on the show is.

 

When Vanderpump told Rinna to "get your skinny ass" back into the restaurant with the flower arrangement, perhaps our response to that would have been different if Kim had said it?  I don't think it was even noted here when Lisa did because it was a joke, dahling.

 

If Rinna would have told Vanderpump to "get her fat ass" on the bus or whatever, even jokingly, would there have been any outrage?  Or only if Brandi or Kim said it?  Or is because skinny is better than fat?  Lines are so blurry.  That's why I maintain they should be called out equally.

 

I agree in theory with persnickety's post:   

 

but I have to say that some of the Hos get passes when they probably don't deserve it. And I think that's because sometimes I/we're busy paying so much attention to the Hos that really shouldn't be getting our attention at all.  For me, that's Kim, Brandi and Kyle.

 

Over. Them.

I think most take into account the relationship each HW has with the other. Lisa V "joke" to Lisa R was "ok" because they get along, are friends. Now had Lisa V said that to Kim, it would be different IMO or Lisa R saying that to Brandi would not be right either but Brandi could say that to Kim/Yolanda and it would be fine.

There may be a difference but I suspect Kim is hearing from Brandi that Kyle is not sticking up for her with the ladies and from her perspective ( defensive), Kyle is selling her out. I think that is what she means when she says Kyle hasn't been there for her. I think she is hearing that Kyle is with the other women talking behind her back on camera. The thing is, it's not true. Kyle has been very careful not to this season.

 

The irony is that it is Brandi that is really using Kim.

Brandi is the 1 filling Kim's addled mind up lies/half truths and she is doing the same with Yolanda. At this stage, Brandi is the only 1 of those 3 with a fully functioning brain!

[Sincerely Yours]

The whole season has been about Kim. Who would have thought that she would be the focus?

 

I am looking at flights to Holland when the tulips are in bloom! What a gorgeous country. See, there is some good coming from this trashy show I can't seem to stop thinking about. WTF? I really can't stand any of them. Although I have had a soft spot for Kim because she is broken but she is wearing thin. She misplayed the whole thing. She would have looked so much better if she ignored the harpies then they would have looked as desperate for a storyline as they really are.

Yeah, I too have a soft spot for Kim because contrary to popular opinion her situation is pretty dire and does deserve compassion IMO. The consequences for her are a bit more tragic than the others although Kyle comes in second because she too would suffer if/when Kim pays the ultimate price but still, at the end of the day Kim is the one teetering between dark and less dark... I say that because Light has left the building.  Kim does misplay things. Where she does have a valid point it will never come across because of her delivery and lack of communication skills as well as conversations dissolving into catty bullshit. Sad to say. I'm going to cringe with the whole Lisa R showdown because it's either going to be a serious Kim shit show brought on by Kim misplaying her hand or she's going to maybe just maybe give a completely valid does of shit to Lisa R but will immediately be labeled the bad guy cause hey she's Kim. Both scenarios is going to make me watch that scene through the spaced fingers of my hand. LOL.

[GreatKazu]

My thinking is that Kyle has been the main one so of course Kim has that sense of security with her or at least had. My thing is that if the bridge has been burned which I'm sure we can all assume it has then it's time for Kyle to put the message out there loud and clear anything less is a disservice to Kim. If the designation isn't made then Kim is always going to feel like Kyle's not truly there for her and this whole cycle is going to continue. Kyle's logic is off kilter because her emotions take over and for all the support she has given to Kim there is something to be said about the decisions Kyle does make that are in fact harmful to Kim. (Her reactions, and outbursts etc. etc.) Just because Kim has made her own bed doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge or validate Kim's reactions to Kyle's missteps. Just because Kyle has been "put through hell" doesn't mean that she doesn't have any responsibility to Kim in how she treats her in the present. She knows its a rollercoaster and if she can't get off the ride then that's on her but I really don't get sticking around exasperating the situation even more.  I get the feeling that Kyle's at a point where she wants to share the sister things and family things and friends things with Kim but for the rest of it all bets are off and it just doesn't work that way. Put the big girl panties on and get on with it or put the girl panties on and accept it but from season 1 to now it looks to me like she's always riding the fence when it comes to "what to do about Kim". Its hard I get it but after awhile just as Kim's addiction and antics get old no matter how tragic the subject matter so does Kyles constant confused state. 

 

I have come to the realization that Kyle is not going to sever ties with Kim. She wants the family things with Kim, and tolerate all the shit that comes with dealing with an addict because Kyle wants that relationship with her sister.  I also feel it is due to any guilt trips Kyle and Kim's mother put upon the both of them - to be there for each other no matter what. Kyle won't let go of Kim, even if it is in her best interest.  She can't and won't set the necessary boundaries that are needed to deal with an addict.  Unfortunately, that is why so many people are stuck in these toxic relationships and hindering the addict as well, because they let the emotions and their hearts rule the course. I posted before, with all this chatter about Kyle being Kim's support, it would actually serve to help Kim if Kyle did remove herself from Kim's personal drama. How is Kim going to learn to be self-sufficient and tend to her own problems if someone else is always there to help her fix it? Support isn't always about being there to lend a helping hand. Support is about letting others do for themselves and letting them know you support them from a distance.

[charming]

There may be a difference but I suspect Kim is hearing from Brandi that Kyle is not sticking up for her with the ladies and from her perspective ( defensive), Kyle is selling her out. I think that is what she means when she says Kyle hasn't been there for her. I think she is hearing that Kyle is with the other women talking behind her back on camera. The thing is, it's not true. Kyle has been very careful not to this season.

 

The irony is that it is Brandi that is really using Kim.

 

Yes, it was not true. Kim is wrong. She received false information and attacked everyone. Now after watching the episodes she can see this for herself. Will she ever apologize? Where's her blog where she can express her remorse? There is nothing but radio silence. She will twist and turn and still blame everyone except herself and her BFF.

 

That's why I have zero tolerance for her.

[Satchels of gold]

I have come to the realization that Kyle is not going to sever ties with Kim. She wants the family things with Kim, and tolerate all the shit that comes with dealing with an addict because Kyle wants that relationship with her sister.  I also feel it is due to any guilt trips Kyle and Kim's mother put upon the both of them - to be there for each other no matter what. Kyle won't let go of Kim, even if it is in her best interest.  She can't and won't set the necessary boundaries that are needed to deal with an addict.  Unfortunately, that is why so many people are stuck in these toxic relationships and hindering the addict as well, because they let the emotions and their hearts rule the course. I posted before, with all this chatter about Kyle being Kim's support, it would actually serve to help Kim if Kyle did remove herself from Kim's personal drama. How is Kim going to learn to be self-sufficient and tend to her own problems if someone else is always there to help her fix it? Support isn't always about being there to lend a helping hand. Support is about letting others do for themselves and letting them know you support them from a distance.

I wonder if their lives would have played out differently if they believed Big Kathy (Cathy?) was resting in peace instead of residing in a box in Kyles dining room watching their ever move?

[motorcitymom65]

Yeah, I too have a soft spot for Kim because contrary to popular opinion her situation is pretty dire and does deserve compassion IMO. The consequences for her are a bit more tragic than the others although Kyle comes in second because she too would suffer if/when Kim pays the ultimate price but still, at the end of the day Kim is the one teetering between dark and less dark... I say that because Light has left the building.  Kim does misplay things. Where she does have a valid point it will never come across because of her delivery and lack of communication skills as well as conversations dissolving into catty bullshit. Sad to say. I'm going to cringe with the whole Lisa R showdown because it's either going to be a serious Kim shit show brought on by Kim misplaying her hand or she's going to maybe just maybe give a completely valid does of shit to Lisa R but will immediately be labeled the bad guy cause hey she's Kim. Both scenarios is going to make me watch that scene through the spaced fingers of my hand. LOL.

For the most part I have defended Kim and have always rooted for her. I defended her during the whole "Lisa missed the graduation party" because I got where she was coming from.  I really felt for her. For me, she has crossed a line with the HH rumors, just lashing out in anger to hurt someone else. Also with her talk of Kyle not "protecting" her, whatever that is supposed to mean. 

 

I will continue to root for her. I want her to be sober and not come to any harm. It would be devastating to too many people for this to end badly. For me, my ultimate feelings about Kim will come down to how she behaves at the reunion, having watched all the episodes. The most difficult thing to defend in Kim is her inability to ever take ownership for anything. After she has seen all the shows, she will understand how much Brandi was also talking about her. She will see Brandi be the one to recommend to Lisar that all of the girls talk to Kim, so that no one person is the "bad guy". She will know that Kyle wasn't running around talking about Kim's sobriety. I agree that at this point, she doesn't know that. When she is sitting on that couch she will know that. If she doesn't apologize to Lisar for the HH stuff, or acknowledge that Kyle wasn't trying to "out" her, but that Brandi played a huge role in all of this, then it won't matter to me that she has an addiction or a mental illness.  It will just mean that she is an asshole. 

 

This is the thing I learned during my father's dance with sobriety. When he got sober, after being a total drunk for my entire life, my whole family was excited to meet this new and different man. One that we were unfamiliar with. Some people who had known my dad back in the day cautioned us to not expect too much. I remember a couple of years later when my brother said "huh, it turns out dad wasn't so much a drunk as just an asshole". Good people get pulled into addiction. People that have pure hearts, are kind and loving. Addiction can change them, but when they come out the other side you get to see those lovely traits that went missing to drugs/alcohol. But there are also terrible people who fall victim to addiction. When they get clean, it is often a shock to realize that while they might be sober, they still just aren't very nice people.  I think this is the case with Kim. 

Edited March 3, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Sincerely Yours]

Yes, it was not true. Kim is wrong. She received false information and attacked everyone. Now after watching the episodes she can see this for herself. Will she ever apologize? Where's her blog where she can express her remorse? There is nothing but radio silence. She will twist and turn and still blame everyone except herself and her BFF.

 

That's why I have zero tolerance for her.

But wouldn't anyone not have a good feeling knowing that you were the topic of conversation among other women and your sister or good friends were just sitting there involved and possibly engaging in as well? It's a safe assumption that when people are sitting around and your name pops up that whoever is present may have had something to say. I don't think Kim was reacting based on wrong information and Kyle has been talking to other women about her. She was talking to Brandi in the Limo, and she was engaged in a couple of conversations that the other women had around her. She didn't say much but she did engage.

 

Look I know that when I know that women are sitting around talking about me it left a not so nice feeling even if I didn't know who did or didn't say anything. It also feels like a bit of a betrayal when you find out a close friend just sat there and let themselves be a part of a negative conversation about you when you're not even around even if they didn't say anything. It's just not a good feeling and I'll also add that most people have a good idea, depending on how well they know someone, what certain people may have to add to the conversation. I just like to be real when these things happen with the HW's. In reality no one needs 100% proof of who said what to feel slighted but apparently since Kim "always" feels slighted when it is actually warranted it still comes across wrong.

 

Kyle loses her shit because Kim isn't being loyal in the Brandi situation but Kim can't feel a certain kind of way when she hears that Kyle has been engaging in some conversations about Kim? It's all overreactions and the such and this is the stupid shit that is so ridiculous and that is why they need to just take a time out because petty, catty shit always turns into being "concerned" and "discussing" Kim's possible relapse or obvious relapse and Yada yada yada. I'm most offended at the fact that Kim's inebriated state at Poker night turned into this whole hot mess and it seems that none of the other women are apparently responsible all because Kim starting it all off on that night. All of the other altercations and confrontation etc. etc. was because people took that night and gave it life with a lot of shit that had nothing to do with addiction and everything to do with everyone taking a piece of it running with it and using it as a backdrop for other catty issues.  That is all this about and yet this is one sad sad subject but that's not the focus. The focus is on labeling, judging, overstepping, and inauthentic offers of support. I hope the whole wine throwing incident is the last of the official damage. Of course there will be aftershocks but I'm hoping that's it for the "Big" confrontations this season. Sheeesh!

Edited March 3, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[thewhiteowl]

 

I will continue to root for her. I want her to be sober and not come to any harm. It would be devastating to too many people for this to end badly. For me, my ultimate feelings about Kim will come down to how she behaves at the reunion, having watched all the episodes. The most difficult thing to defend in Kim is her inability to ever take ownership for anything. After she has seen all the shows, she will understand how much Brandi was also talking about her. She will see Brandi be the one to recommend to Lisar that all of the girls talk to Kim, so that no one person is the "bad guy". She will know that Kyle wasn't running around talking about Kim's sobriety. I agree that at this point, she doesn't know that. When she is sitting on that couch she will know that. If she doesn't apologize to Lisar for the HH stuff, or acknowledge that Kyle wasn't trying to "out" her, but that Brandi played a huge role in all of this, then it won't matter to me that she has an addiction or a mental illness.  It will just mean that she is an asshole.

 

I agree, I don't wish her any harm. I think Brandi will blame "editing" because she already is doing so and Kim will buy that excuse because it's easy. She keeps her enabler. 

 

[Umbelina]

Re-watching, and I have to say I LOVE that Yolanda didn't throw a fit, or get upset, she simply left in the limo when Kim (and/or) Brandi was late.  That's the way you handle that.  Of course, Lipsa immediately starts to talk about Kim (again, some more) in the limo. 

 

Kim certainly made it clear that she wanted Lipsa to DROP IT on the plane.  Instead, as we now know, it all starts up again immediately in Amsterdamn with the staged intervention.

[motorcitymom65]

Re-watching, and I have to say I LOVE that Yolanda didn't throw a fit, or get upset, she simply left in the limo when Kim (and/or) Brandi was late.  That's the way you handle that.  Of course, Lipsa immediately starts to talk about Kim (again, some more) in the limo. 

 

Kim certainly made it clear that she wanted Lipsa to DROP IT on the plane.  Instead, as we now know, it all starts up again immediately in Amsterdamn with the staged intervention.

Yo did handle the fact that the others were late with class.

Wasn't Yo the one to bring up the whole Kim deal again in the limo, though? Lisar was responding to her asking if she thought the airplane conversation would taint the rest of their trip and Lisar responded.

[bosawks]

Brandi is the 1 filling Kim's addled mind up lies/half truths and she is doing the same with Yolanda. At this stage, Brandi is the only 1 of those 3 with a fully functioning brain!

To be fair there's probably a lot of room in there.

[ncnurse]

First of all my heart goes out to Kylie. All she does is try and protect her sister and sticks up for her time and time again, only to be cut down at every twist and turn,

Brandi!!! Sorry, I have no use for her this season. What the heck was she trying to prove in Amsterdam with that young guy?? That was a No! No! In my book.

I don't know what is going on with Kim? Is she drinking, taking pills? What?? She is trying to make everyone feel sorry for her, right along with Brandi, I don't feel sorry for either one of them.

What's with that slap across the face that Brandi gave to Liza? I could see the look of shock on her face. She was lucky it wasn't me.....she would have been laid out cold. That is forgivable in my book. The reunion is going to be a nail,niter. Can't wait to see what happens!,

[tulip555]

First of all my heart goes out to Kylie. All she does is try and protect her sister and sticks up for her time and time again, only to be cut down at every twist and turn,

Brandi!!! Sorry, I have no use for her this season. What the heck was she trying to prove in Amsterdam with that young guy?? That was a No! No! In my book.

I don't know what is going on with Kim? Is she drinking, taking pills? What?? She is trying to make everyone feel sorry for her, right along with Brandi, I don't feel sorry for either one of them.

What's with that slap across the face that Brandi gave to Liza? I could see the look of shock on her face. She was lucky it wasn't me.....she would have been laid out cold. That is forgivable in my book. The reunion is going to be a nail,niter. Can't wait to see what happens!,

I think Kim is not only drinking but indulging in other intoxicants

[ncnurse]

Whatever Kim is doing, she is a real good actress...because she covers things up quite well, don't you think? I cal usually tell if someone is drinking, but it's so hard to tell with Kim. I would make an educated guess and say it is some type ofmedication that is stringing her out so bad. Whatever it is, I just can't stand her.

[rho]

Whatever Kim is doing, she is a real good actress...because she covers things up quite well, don't you think? I cal usually tell if someone is drinking, but it's so hard to tell with Kim. I would make an educated guess and say it is some type ofmedication that is stringing her out so bad. Whatever it is, I just can't stand her.

 

Sometimes I think she's sober but the withdrawl is fueling her craziness. I've been around addicts and they're highly irritable both sober and intoxicated. Regardless, she needs to be off the show so she can get real help. It's not fun to watch.