S05.E13: Sister Act

[motorcitymom65]

Yeah, Lipsa doesn't want them to become assholes like other kids.  What exactly did she say?  Funny how when Lipsa calls kids assholes it's a good thing.

Lisar said she doesn't want her kids to be assholes. I am assuming because like most people she wouldn't aspire to have kids who are assholes. Brandi believes that her own son is one, calls him one on her Podcast, and isn't going to apologize for it.

[The Mighty Peanut]

Christopher's intervention from The Sopranos, if anyone is interested in how addiction negatively affected a bunch of murderers. The hypocrisy is only slightly more apparent than it is on RHOBH. Damn, I miss this show. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I

Edited February 12, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[Giselle]

Lisar said she doesn't want her kids to be assholes. I am assuming because like most people she wouldn't aspire to have kids who are assholes. Brandi believes that her own son is one, calls him one on her Podcast, and isn't going to apologize for it.

 

 Lurch truly doesn't give a shit about hurting people or being unkind so she probably thinks it's cute that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. She will never call her brat on it and If he ever got into serious trouble she would put the fault on his victim and more to the point she'd blame Eddie.

 

by the way...just to piss Lurch off...EDDIE & LEANNE 4EVER!!!!

[motorcitymom65]

EVERYTHING they fight about is about Kim's addiction. It's the underlying issue to everything they fight over. Worse, both Kim and their mother have guilted Kyle into never talking about it publicly.

Kim doesn't know what day it is. She can't even take care of a dog. And then there's the chicken salad. I'm obsessed with Kim's crazy chicken salad recipe.

Greatest Kim moment ever. Mixing that chicken salad with her hands. Oh, the good old days.

[LotusFlower]

The Vulture recap:  http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/rhobh-recap-season-5-burbank-film-festival-eileen.html  Somebody has a new favorite.

I can't believe I forgot about this blog - MCM turned me on to it awhile back, but I thought he only recapped RHONY. This one's a great read. I love how he compared Brandi to Scientology - draws you in, gains your trust, and then turns on you and reveals all your secrets in a flicker! I'd nickname her Xenu if she didn't already have so many nicknames.

[phoenix780]

I have to admit, I was impressed with Brandi by the end of this episode.  I'm not sure what the true sequence of things was, but in a very short time frame she pledged love eternal to Kim, insulted Yolanda, claimed that she wants to be talked about whether good or bad, asked that people find a different topic of conversation instead of her, and pre-empted Rinna's possible "Brandi you're an alcoholic" conversation by feeding her just enough intel about Kim to get her to go a whole new route.  That last bit was pretty...I want to say "savvy," but I think it's just more practiced, and it certainly seemed successful.  

 

That said, she really is at the epicenter of pretty much everything (Vanderpump's kid seems to be the only independent thing going on), and I think it's getting a bit old.  

 

ETA: I forgot that she got huffy at Yolanda's motherly/sisterly advice while complaining about falling into that role with Kim.  Amazingly lacking in self-awareness with that, imho.

Edited February 12, 2015 by phoenix780

[MsDiva2007]

I like the relationship Kyle has with her girls. Mauricio's company is extremely successful and yet her seems to find the time to spend with his wife and kids,.Kim I think would like to have that with someone but the haze she is in from addiction won't allow it. The person who has been there and tried to help you the most is the one you turn on. So on the Reunion I wonder who will have the dis honor of sharing a couch with the addicts?

[JAYJAY1979]

So.the Burbank film festival event happened on September 7th..and someone mentioned the Brandi and Lisa r conversation happened 9/16.

Also lisa v birthday is 9/15.. so it stands to reason we are only in mid to late September with 1+ months left of filming to go...yikes..long season lol

[zoeysmom]

So.the Burbank film festival event happened on September 7th..and someone mentioned the Brandi and Lisa r conversation happened 9/16.

Also lisa v birthday is 9/15.. so it stands to reason we are only in mid to late September with 1+ months left of filming to go...yikes..long season lol

They go to Calgary around the 29th of September..

Edited February 12, 2015 by zoeysmom

[talula]

I have to admit, I was impressed with Brandi by the end of this episode.  I'm not sure what the true sequence of things was, but in a very short time frame she pledged love eternal to Kim, insulted Yolanda, claimed that she wants to be talked about whether good or bad, asked that people find a different topic of conversation instead of her, and pre-empted Rinna's possible "Brandi you're an alcoholic" conversation by feeding her just enough intel about Kim to get her to go a whole new route.  That last bit was pretty...I want to say "savvy," but I think it's just more practiced, and it certainly seemed successful.  

 

That said, she really is at the epicenter of pretty much everything (Vanderpump's kid seems to be the only independent thing going on), and I think it's getting a bit old.  

 

ETA: I forgot that she got huffy at Yolanda's motherly/sisterly advice while complaining about falling into that role with Kim.  Amazingly lacking in self-awareness with that, imho.

Lol, don't forget during a yoga exercise at Yoyo's home, she "prayed" that Kyle would be banished to an Ebola diseased part of Africa!

What a fun sucker she's turned out to be...and that's just one episode.

Edited February 12, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[haydensterling]

I think I'd be less bothered if it didn't feel like women shaming women by using the whole tampon string comment.  "Brandi flashed her crotch while falling down drunk" bothers me not at all, but why is it somehow WORSE that she happened to be having her period at the time?  It happens to all of us, for several days a month.

 

I'm trying to put my finger on why the tampon string being the lead here bothers me.

 

Welp, first off, how is it worse that she was having her period?  I don't care two figs that she was having her period at the time. I get them all the time, so you know, it's kind of a been there, done that kind of deal.  I think it's funny that she didn't realize she needed to tuck her string safely away. I also don't think that women are inherently weak in nature, and certainly not Brandi, who seems to take particular delight in shaming most women she comes into contact with.  Joanna Krupa, anyone?  In the case of the Walking Tampon String (doesn't that sound like it could have been a Perry Mason episode?), it might have been a good idea to make sure she was decent before the paps starting taking pictures for all the world to see.  Especially if she gave a hoot about her kids, who have a lifetime of looking forward to getting bullied or harassed due to their mom's more wacked out moments.  

I'm an equal opportunity shamer, and if Brandi was a guy walking around in nut-hugger shorts with half his junk hanging out the side door, I'd comment on how repellent that was too.  I'd probably call him Mr. Nut Hugger Shorts, or something equally stupid.  In fact, I'm pretty sure that actually happened on an episode of Three's Company, and then the episode got pulled and edited. It was one of those things that everyone saw without realizing they saw it, but once DVR's came on the scene it was blatant as all hell.  I mean, I thought John Ritter was a (marginally) funny guy, and probably a nice one too, but I'm not seriously not interested checking out those fine, fine man-hams rolling and jiggling against his upper thigh.  Ah, the seventies, god love 'em.

 

I could make light of Brandi's behaviors for any number of reasons, but Tampon!String!Gate! is probably the easiest because it sums up her personality pretty well: a sloppy, drunk mess who can't even be bothered to 'Plug it up!' properly (cue the shower room gang from Carrie)  Add that to the fact that she's not even a tenth as kind as poor Sissy Spacek was in that movie, Brandi is more the Chris Hargensen type and yeah. There you go.

[talula]

This episode the HWs (those attending) agreed on one thing...they didn't care for Eileen's short film. Though it won an award! :D

Eileen Davidson’s Sci-Fi Film “Stranger at the Pentagon” Wins Award

by 2Paragraphs in Culture | February 10, 2015

Soap opera actress and star of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Eileen Davidson, has a part in the short sci-fi film, ‘Stranger at the Pentagon.’ It’s about a human-type alien that lands on Earth in the 1950s, to teach mankind how to eliminate sickness, disease and poverty. President Eisenhower befriends the "human Angelic" and keeps it in a Pentagon apartment three stories underground.

‘Stranger at the Pentagon,’ which is based on the 1967 book by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, won Best Sci-Fi Short Film at The Burbank Film Festival in September 2014.

Here's a link to a info/interview about the film.

Film Trailer link...

Edited February 12, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[haydensterling]

My mind is officially blown and I have to get a copy of my hot little mitts on this epic straight away.  It's probably no Plan Nine from Outer Space or hell, not even The Room, but I am SO ready for this.

 

Hey, I like trash. I mean, I watch this show, don't I?  /grin

Edited February 12, 2015 by haydensterling

[talula]

My mind is officially blown and I have to get a copy of my hot little mitts of this epic straight away. It's probably no Plan Nine from Outer Space or hell, not even The Room, but I am SO ready for this.

Hey, I like trash. I mean, I watch this show, don't I? /grin

Just watched it on Vimeo...it's a very short film you have to pay to rent for 48 hours. It appears they raised funds to make the film. Eileen is in one scene that's on the film trailer. I think the 7 minute Youtube video link I attached for free helps explain that supposedly this is fact not fiction. I think our BH HWs may have been puzzled by the project to begin with. I can't say I would recommend it...though my son will enjoy it. He has seen weird lights in the sky, lol. Edited February 12, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[phoenix780]

Just watched it on Vimeo...it's a very short film you have to pay to rent for 48 hours. It appears they raised funds to make the film. Eileen is in one scene that's on the film trailer. I think the 7 minute Youtube video link I attached for free helps explain that supposedly this is fact not fiction. I think our BH HWs may have been puzzled by the project to begin with. I can't say I would recommend it...though my son will enjoy it. He has seen weird lights in the sky, lol.

So in your opinion which is more worthy of snark- Eileen's film, or Rinna's Depends commercial?  If you had to pick just one, I mean.  

 

I'm curious, given the reaction of the other HW's.  It can't be that much worse than Depends or, y'know, not booking gigs...can it?

[SomeJabroni]

Yeah, for me it's just the fact that a crotch shot is a crotch shot, it's not somehow WORSE because the woman was on her period.

 

I think the reason her tampon string hanging out is considered *worse* is because it just further illustrates what a sloppy, drunken mess this 40+ year old, mother-of-two really is.  Having followed this show (and the tabloids/boards that go along with it), I have seen Brandi in various stages of drunken disorderliness with myriad wardrobe malfunctions.  Hell, just about any sentient person in the country has seen various drunken 'celebrities' in varying stages of intoxication and undress.  In my almost 50 years on this Earth, I have NEVER seen another woman's tampon string dangling.  Celebrity or civilian.  Not even in art class.  IDK, it just really grossed me out.

[motorcitymom65]

There are websites out there devoted to celebrity crotch shots, panties showing shots, nip slips, and the paparrazzi gets paid when they happen, that's why they wait outside of clubs, and get low when people are getting into cars.  Anne Hathaway just had one, Jennifer Aniston has one, hell tons of people do.  I think I'd be less bothered if it didn't feel like women shaming women by using the whole tampon string comment.  "Brandi flashed her crotch while falling down drunk" bothers me not at all, but why is it somehow WORSE that she happened to be having her period at the time?  It happens to all of us, for several days a month.

 

I'm trying to put my finger on why the tampon string being the lead here bothers me.

It is possible that if this had happened to someone else, I wouldn't keep bringing it up. As a woman, I would probably feel empathy on some level since this would probably be my ultimate humiliation.  This isn't someone else though. This is Brandi. This is a girl who likes to talk about pussy. About the state of her pussy. About the state of someone else's pussy. I don't know of anyone else who shares so much with us about this topic.

 

We know that hers got slack jawed and worn out and that she had a painful, expensive surgery to make it show-room new again after her divorce. I know this about her because she wrote it down in a book for me and for you, and even for her boys to read.

 

We know that she claims to have been around two people when a conversation broke out about the state of another woman's pussy. Yes, yes, this happens to me all of the time. Just standing at a dinner party enjoying my bruschetta and the man I am talking with happens to mention that the pussy of another woman has a foul odor. This is the type of conversation that happens around Brandi because she is up for it. It is OK to say such things around Brandi. And because Brandi has never heard secret or embarrassing information about another without sharing it with the world, an announcement must be made on live TV.

 

When Lisa is not in a forgiving mood, Brandi offers to eat her pussy. She says she has been told she is very good at it. Brandi shared this with us. 

 

So yes, given all that she likes to share with the world about this topic, the feminine hygiene choices that she makes would seem almost relevant to us all. 

[motorcitymom65]

Considering the source, the below may or may not be true.  The thrust of the article is that Yo might not be at the reunion, and if she is, perhaps just for a portion of it. It sounds like she is really sick. 

 

I am wondering if we will ever hear her thoughts about Brandi and what she said about Bella?

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/02/yolanda-foster-real-housewives-beverly-hills-reunion-limited-health-crisis/

[Satchels of gold]

Christopher's intervention from The Sopranos, if anyone is interested in how addiction negatively affected a bunch of murderers. The hypocrisy is only slightly more apparent than it is on RHOBH. God, I miss this show. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I

And don't forget Chris shoots his sober friend between the eyes. Better tread carefully Brandi.

[Nanny pants]

Sister magpie and haydensterling...you are my heroines!

[Found A Peanut]

This episode the HWs (those attending) agreed on one thing...they didn't care for Eileen's short film. Though it won an award! :D

Eileen Davidson’s Sci-Fi Film “Stranger at the Pentagon” Wins Award

by 2Paragraphs in Culture | February 10, 2015

Soap opera actress and star of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Eileen Davidson, has a part in the short sci-fi film, ‘Stranger at the Pentagon.’ It’s about a human-type alien that lands on Earth in the 1950s, to teach mankind how to eliminate sickness, disease and poverty. President Eisenhower befriends the "human Angelic" and keeps it in a Pentagon apartment three stories underground.

‘Stranger at the Pentagon,’ which is based on the 1967 book by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, won Best Sci-Fi Short Film at The Burbank Film Festival in September 2014.

Here's a link to a info/interview about the film.

Film Trailer link...

My only point of criticism of the movie picture would be that I wish Eileen had a more 50's style of hair going on. Otherwise, that is cheesy sci-fi perfection.

And, goddamn, that's a fifty-five year old body in that bodysuit? I'm going to the mall office to sign up for mall walking TODAY.

[Avaleigh]

They aren't fighting about anything important, or the addiction issues.  They are bickering about bullshit.

 

Oh, and Big Kathy also asked Kim to take care of Kyle.  It wasn't one way.

I disagree that they aren't fighting about large issues. Kim's sobriety is a huge issue and that was the main thing that led to their fight at Eileen's. I also think that the way they treat each other is a core issue and I don't see that as being petty. Kim treats Kyle like crap on a regular basis and Kyle is sick to death of it as she should be in my opinion! I don't see how it's petty when a person gets upset when their sister has virtually no reaction the sister's "best friend" starts saying a bunch of foul stuff about them. Kim's behavior was rude, embarrassing, and completely unacceptable that evening so to me Kyle wasn't calling her on something petty. There's a fundamental lack of respect for people in general when it comes to Kim and not just with her treatment of Kyle so again, I disagree that they're focusing on petty bullshit.

 

Also, Big Kathy wanted all of the sisters to care for each other but I think it's pretty clear that Kim needed more care than the other two sisters and that everyone in the family knows it. I don't believe for a second that Big Kathy was telling Kim to look after Kyle because Big Kathy was concerned about addict behavior from Kyle or anything like that. One of the sisters has a long history here and the other doesn't so I don't feel like it's the same thing.

 

Seriously, I hate to think where Kim would be without the help and support from her sisters and it makes me sad to see how poorly she's treated Kyle over the years.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Avaleigh

[Avaleigh]

Christopher's intervention from The Sopranos, if anyone is interested in how addiction negatively affected a bunch of murderers. The hypocrisy is only slightly more apparent than it is on RHOBH. Damn, I miss this show. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I

Lol, I haven't seen this in years so thanks for that! I love when the doctor says "So he slipped on the counter while spraying for ants?" (Not to mention Tony's reply of "Well, he was wearing socks.") Doesn't that sound like some sort of bullshit excuse that Kim would use to explain how she ended up in the hospital?

[Cranky One]

Kim hasn't written a blog in two weeks.

 

Here are the blogs with the seriously crappy new BRAVO format.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/brandi-glanville/brandi-addiction-is-not-a

 

OMG. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that! It's even worse on my phone! I've kept meaning to comment about their format, but that damn Brandi keeps distracting me! lol

[Mozelle]

For the most part, the person outside of Lisar ringing alarm bells would be Brandi. I have no idea if Kim is sober or not. I do know that the main person talking about being concerned about this is Brandi. If there was anyone acting like a one night slip up on Poker Night might be the end of the world, it was Brandi.

 

This is what kills me about this whole "blame Kyle" business. The only reason people are speculating about Kim possibly committing suicide, or Kim wearing a patch, or what Kim's late night phone calls mean is because Brandi has provided all of this information. Yet, Brandi swears that she's looking out for Kim. #GirlBye.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Mozelle

[hottesthw]

I have to admit, I was impressed with Brandi by the end of this episode. I'm not sure what the true sequence of things was, but in a very short time frame she pledged love eternal to Kim, insulted Yolanda, claimed that she wants to be talked about whether good or bad, asked that people find a different topic of conversation instead of her, and pre-empted Rinna's possible "Brandi you're an alcoholic" conversation by feeding her just enough intel about Kim to get her to go a whole new route. That last bit was pretty...I want to say "savvy," but I think it's just more practiced, and it certainly seemed successful.

That said, she really is at the epicenter of pretty much everything (Vanderpump's kid seems to be the only independent thing going on), and I think it's getting a bit old.

ETA: I forgot that she got huffy at Yolanda's motherly/sisterly advice while complaining about falling into that role with Kim. Amazingly lacking in self-awareness with that, imho.

That's why when watching on DVR it's so short because when she starts her shit I start FF. Funny how she's involved so much yet the most entertaining stuff doesn't involve her at all (in this episode it was the Burbank FF). Such a funny and lighthearted scene with no trace of the 2 drunks anywhere.

[msblossom]

The Burbank scene and the Max story are the only ones worth commenting on. I'll take more of this, please!

[motorcitymom65]

Here is the information for the next 3 episodes:  

 

E14
Surprise!

Eileen organizes a table-read for her husband's latest script; Brandi agrees to a 21-day cleanse.

 

E15
Welcome to Amsterdam?
The women are forced to work together as teams while taking part in Yolanda's scavenger hunt.

 

E16
Amster-damn!
In Amsterdam, Kyle flees an explosive dinner; the women enjoy space cakes; Brandi blows up at Kyle.
 

[haydensterling]

Thank you, motorcitymom! Still no sign of Lisa R. going all Godzilla on the barware?  I think I'm going to go Godzilla on my own barware if I don't see this happening toot sweet. 

 

Off the topic of Godzilla and glassware.

I'm a little puzzled about how women are shaming women over a tampon string?  I mean, women are the ones who get periods.  We are the last people to be 'tampon string shamers' (?) because let's face it, we also get the bloody underwear because of crappy tampons, or missing your due day, or a shifted pad, or anything else.  

 

There are a lot of other ways that a person could be shamed, but I think referring to a person as a tampon string is sort of akin to the very mild 'I hope you step on lego' as opposed to--well, as opposed to the other one, which wishes death on someone.  Just thinking out loud.     

[runforcover]

How does one get that drunk and ever pick up another drink?

 

Please, ladies, all too easily for some of us and don't make us feel bad.  

 

Since the beginning of time and forever and always. 

 

I was blessed with not gambling, being able to smoke a cig or two a year and not get hooked, my Michael Douglas bang em in the alley days were over decades ago, and I thank God I never had the supreme illness having to do with eating but, really, how does one get that drunk or high etc .... come on now.   You can fall in the gutter or in someone's high end bedroom, throw up all over yourself and not know it til the next morning.  

 

She's not my cup of tea but I feel for her that she got that fucked up and was on her period and the whole thing got captured.  I still think it's too bad for her but find it hard for any other chick to keep on going on about it.

Seriously.  Come on.  

IMO, if you are asking How than nobody can adequately explain it to you.  Which is fine.  Nobody need be on either side of this thing.

Or you can only ask this question because you wouldn't get the answer.  Something like that.  Like I said, no side is special or better.  Not a dis.

 

Ok, that might be annoying.

 

Look, this is when I get a bit defensive about my own past recklessness.  I can't help it.  The only reason I know how not to destroy my own life is because I am very familiar with all the ways I have tried.  But it's weird.  I am sensitive to any enthusiastic use of substances.  Even though I know full well it has nothing to with me.  So as I'm about to judge excess I end up swallowing my tongue. 

 

(I know.  But I swear it's true.  I find other indirect ways to criticize someone's existence that bypass actual consumption - as it's not great proof of anything and one never knows - and bypass politics and personality.  It's not a perfect system.  If you guys have any secret tweaks, let me know.  I judge people all day long.  I also retract shit all day long.)

 

And thinking about women, drinking, culpability and addiction is not for everyone.  I have pretty one-note thoughts about a lot of things and I probably won't get around to fixing that. so I get it.  Battles are picked.  Thank god I have had people around me that have been disgusted with my actions.  But thank god that wasn't everyone.  

 

I guess this is tough.  I'm not sure what I have written here.

[msblossom]

E16

Amster-damn!

In Amsterdam, Kyle flees an explosive dinner; the women enjoy space cakes; Brandi blows up at Kyle.

Yes, but are they wearing unitards?

[runforcover]

Thank you, motorcitymom! Still no sign of Lisa R. going all Godzilla on the barware?  I think I'm going to go Godzilla on my own barware if I don't see this happening toot sweet. 

 

Off the topic of Godzilla and glassware.

I'm a little puzzled about how women are shaming women over a tampon string?  I mean, women are the ones who get periods.  We are the last people to be 'tampon string shamers' (?) because let's face it, we also get the bloody underwear because of crappy tampons, or missing your due day, or a shifted pad, or anything else.  

 

There are a lot of other ways that a person could be shamed, but I think referring to a person as a tampon string is sort of akin to the very mild 'I hope you step on lego' as opposed to--well, as opposed to the other one, which wishes death on someone.  Just thinking out loud.     

 

I think it's tricky.  You have so many competing discourses, you know?  Including a shame-discourse. So it becomes difficult to know what the object of critique and who is even doing it.  Talking about a tampon-string doesn't necessarily offend moi but it's totally arguable that anyone even notices it because it's how we organize our crits around women.  Plus, women take each other down all of the time.  It's kind of a rule.  more generally objects of shame shame regularly. 

[Giselle]

I like the relationship Kyle has with her girls. Mauricio's company is extremely successful and yet her seems to find the time to spend with his wife and kids,.Kim I think would like to have that with someone but the haze she is in from addiction won't allow it. The person who has been there and tried to help you the most is the one you turn on. So on the Reunion I wonder who will have the dis honor of sharing a couch with the addicts?

 

Probably Yolanda on an end with Kim in the middle. In the other corner of the ring, Lisa R will sit between Kyle and Eileen with Lisa V. on one of the ends.

[Sincerely Yours]

They're driving her to drugs/alcohol because they had the nerve to question her behavior just sounds like addict justification. It's "okay" Kim slipped because her daughter moved out or her dog was taken away or her first husband is dying or she's being called out about her glassy eyes. So what about all the other times she's slipped? I think that's a burden that doesn't need to be placed on the other women. If Kim has decided to keep using and not seek help, then that's on her and her alone.

 

 

 

 

 

She's an addict. one minute it's up to Kim and the next people around her shouldn't let her get away with.... It's old news that Kim relapses. The contradiction is people should be able to be all over Kim with questioning glances, or "gentle" prompting for information and scrutiny oh and god forbid she forgets where she puts her car keys (put me in that scenario all the freaking time and I'd grab the Xanax too) but at the same time it's up to Kim and it shouldn't be anyone else's burden? Either be involved or don't but all the unnecessary imposing of outsiders just wanting to roll in with criticism and shame doesn't really help Kim's cause. Every day and every person around her can't make it all about the elephant in the room. Yeah the elephant is there but like that horse it's in the corner beaten to a bloody pulp. What else is there left to do?  What's so hard about not contributing? Oh wait, that's walking on eggshells and coddling Kim which of course we don't ever do for people we care about or even strangers. We run in and out of people's lives and stomp around with no regard to how our behavior will affect others. Just because Kim is an addict doesn't mean that the basic courtesies shouldn't be observed. And no her acting strange or being obviously inebriated isn't an invitation to dive into her world of addiction armed with clique after clique. Looking at you again LisaR.  I would never insert myself into someone elses live's problems with criticisms and judgments unless I plan on balancing that out with love and understanding. If I'm not coming into such a dire situation with that sort of balance and commitment then I'm sending prayers from a safe distance away with my opinions kept to myself. Maybe even throw out a hug once in a while cause that's all I can do.  

 

I love how being a loved one of an addict is such a hectic dance that really doesn't have one perfect way and people get angry justifiably so but when it comes to an addict their either in perfect recovery mode or having on the street corner relapses that there isn't any tolerance or understanding for.  So it's such a hard thing to deal with an addict so miles and miles of slack is obviously a given but that addiction boy, should be a snap for the addict to kick so nope, no slack for you. Oh and don't go threatening suicide.. Just another tactic. Can't possibly be another symptom of the disease they are suffering from. Those addicts, I tell ya.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[izabella]

I'm a little puzzled about how women are shaming women over a tampon string?  I mean, women are the ones who get periods.  We are the last people to be 'tampon string shamers' (?) because let's face it, we also get the bloody underwear because of crappy tampons, or missing your due day, or a shifted pad, or anything else.

 

I get what you're saying.  I think it is precisely because women generally are super cautious of what's going on when we have our periods, and are very careful about accidents and all, that it really says something when someone is showing the string in public.  It says she is so freaking wasted that the one thing that all of us have drilled into our heads about "feminine hygiene" (keep it to yourself!) totally went by the wayside.  It says she's so wasted she can't feel the cool breeze on her bare ass. And this is Brandi's typical MO - get as wasted as possible regardless of anything and everything else.

 

The visible tampon string represents an extreme of drunkenness.  She's not being shamed for the tampon string, but the extreme drunkenness.  Had her tampon string slipped out during a pole dancing class, or when getting out of the pool, I suspect no one would be using it as a nickname.

[Sincerely Yours]

They aren't fighting about anything important, or the addiction issues.  They are bickering about bullshit.

 

Oh, and Big Kathy also asked Kim to take care of Kyle.  It wasn't one way.

Exactly!!! This getting taken back to everything being about Kim's addiction which I feel sorry for cause it's not. Just because the rift between the sisters started because of Kim and the pain pill which of course goes toward kim's addiction problems. LISTEN to what the fight has turned into. Superficial bullshit with a dusting of Kim's addiction for good measure. Kyle's questioning Kim's loyalty. Kyle's mad that she's not being a good sister and taking Brandi to task for her behavior towards Kyle. Kyle's making this about Brandi not being there for years and years and years when all that wasn't even necessary if Kyle didn't feel she had the right to knock Brandi down a few pegs. Kim's addiction and past and issues are basically being USED in a territorial fight and not being brought up in any real context accept as a way for Brandi and Kyle to express "concern" for Kim and claim who does and doesn't have the right to blah, blah, blah. Like seriously? That's more of an insult to me than anything. There Kim is. A hot mess, an addict and the only thing of substance that's being discussed is who did what for who, when, where and for how long. Seriously!?!?! As much as Lisa's approach and intensity is overblown she's only one that's actually talking about the addiction head on or should I say Lip on.. Annnnnnddddddd if the addict isn't talking about it, like sooooo many have said it's only up to the addict so why is everyone continuing to waste their breaths. It's either intervention time or ask for God's ear and hope for the best.

 

Basically I could care less who started what who was wrong to do what and who has the right to do squat. What it boils down to is shutting the fuck up, getting over the stupid petty fight between all three of them and IF there is an interest in positively moving forward for Kims sake then get the fuck on with it and staaaawwwwwwwwppppp with all the BS.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[zoeysmom]

Sincerely yours, In a perfect world Eileen, Lisar, Lisa V would be able to walk away from Kim and never give her a second glance.  Quite honestly if I were Lisar after the limo ride the only thing that would ,make me endure another moment of Kim Richards is a contract and knowing my family would suffer financially if I breached it.    Same with Eileen at her home and the way Brandi and Kim acted.  Kyle obviously is related to her and on a show with her and Brandi chooses to be there.  No one is rolling into Kim's life, Kim is involved in their life and she has chosen to present herself impaired and obnoxious.

 

Nobody and especially the viewers wants to waste their time pretending Kim is sober.  Where it may not be everyone's place to confront her or question her claims of sobriety it is totally okay for them to question it and discuss away from Kim.  It is their experience they lived it and they have every right to relay their experience-especially when they are being paid to do so.

 

What became very clear at the Mixer is four ladies were there and prepared to have a good time.  For some unknown reason an impaired Kim thought it would be a good idea to torture her sister in front of the ladies and a random group of party goers.  Kim did it knowing full well it was three against one.  Kim had to have known that if Brandi had not contacted Kyle during the period between Eileen's and the Mixer, that her decided to shove Brandi down Kyle's throat was a very bad idea.   

 

I have no idea what a street corner relapse is.  People in recovery have relapses.  They can range from a period of years to just a few hours.  How they choose to address their relapse(s) is up to them.  Offers of help from family and friends may or may not be presented.  How family and friends not involved in offering help and how they react to the relapses should be of zero concern to the addicted.  If Brandi didn't want to talk to Lisar about Kim she should not have brought her up.  Brandi using Kim and Bella to deflect from her very real issues is just another part of the disease.  Lisar feels strongly after a terrifying experience with Kim that the problem needs to be addressed-her right.

[haydensterling]

Aw, Nanny pants, hope I can give you a giggle here and there!  This show is so heavy these days!  :)

[Persnickety1]

If my employment demanded part of my job entail sitting in a closed space with a drugged up/fucked up/aggressive/hostile bitch like Kim, you bet your ass I'd be making her state of impairment my business.

 

Kim and Brandi are both hostile, nasty, and aggressive when drunk/high/whatever it is they're doing.

 

It's one thing to be at a party where those two repugnant heifers can be avoided.

 

It's an entirely different beast to be literally trapped in a limousine arranged by production and in which you must ride dealing with the crazy a foot or two away from you.  

 

Fuck that shit.  And fuck Brandi and Kim, too.  

[izabella]

Nobody and especially the viewers wants to waste their time pretending Kim is sober.  Where it may not be everyone's place to confront her or question her claims of sobriety it is totally okay for them to question it and discuss away from Kim.  It is their experience they lived it and they have every right to relay their experience-especially when they are being paid to do so.

 

This is it in a nutshell for me.  Don't insult me by pretending in the 5th season that Kim is not an addict.  Why shouldn't LisaR talk about that bizarre and scary limo ride of which we only saw a few minutes?  Why should she be silenced on the topic?  She experienced it, she had to deal with Kim as part of this show, and she should be able to talk about it on the show. 

 

None of these women should feel obligated to agree to some conspiracy not to talk about Kim's addictions.  Kyle may have had that drilled into her brain by her mother, but none of these other women have.  They're all paid for this show, including Kim.  If Kim doesn't want people talking about her addictions, then she needs to not be on the show for 5 seasons.

[motorcitymom65]

Exactly!!! This getting taken back to everything being about Kim's addiction which I feel sorry for cause it's not. Just because the rift between the sisters started because of Kim and the pain pill which of course goes toward kim's addiction problems. LISTEN to what the fight has turned into. Superficial bullshit with a dusting of Kim's addiction for good measure. Kyle's questioning Kim's loyalty. Kyle's mad that she's not being a good sister and taking Brandi to task for her behavior towards Kyle. Kyle's making this about Brandi not being there for years and years and years when all that wasn't even necessary if Kyle didn't feel she had the right to knock Brandi down a few pegs. Kim's addiction and past and issues are basically being USED in a territorial fight and not being brought up in any real context accept as a way for Brandi and Kyle to express "concern" for Kim and claim who does and doesn't have the right to blah, blah, blah. Like seriously? That's more of an insult to me than anything. There Kim is. A hot mess, an addict and the only thing of substance that's being discussed is who did what for who, when, where and for how long. Seriously!?!?! As much as Lisa's approach and intensity is overblown she's only one that's actually talking about the addiction head on or should I say Lip on.. Annnnnnddddddd if the addict isn't talking about it, like sooooo many have said it's only up to the addict so why is everyone continuing to waste their breaths. It's either intervention time or ask for God's ear and hope for the best.

 

Basically I could care less who started what who was wrong to do what and who has the right to do squat. What it boils down to is shutting the fuck up, getting over the stupid petty fight between all three of them and IF there is an interest in positively moving forward for Kims sake then get the fuck on with it and staaaawwwwwwwwppppp with all the BS.

I couldn't disagree more. Are there layers? Or course there are.  Most issues are generally not about any one thing, but there is always a root of the thing. The one thing that causes everything else. If that thing didn't exist, would any of the other stuff have resulted? If Brandi wasn't having late night talks with Kim, which convinced her that Kim was using, would Brandi have been so worried about her at the Poker Night? If on those calls Kim had not talked about how alone she was, how Kyle wasn't there for her in the manner that she needed, would she have tried to keep Kyle away from Kim? According to Brandi is was all about not believing that Kyle would protect Kim in her lapse, because Kyle doesn't support Kim in general. That she wants her to fail, to not be sober. 

 

There are a lot of things going on here, not the least of which is Brandi's overwhelming hatred of Kyle and her desire to destroy her in any manner possible. That is Brandi's deal to be sure and she has found the way to do it. The root of K&K's issues are that Kim is an addict, and the fact that her addiction is always going to be at the root of their relationship. Unless and until one or both get some help. 

[Persnickety1]

IMO, anyone who thinks Brandi is being a "friend" to Kim and that Kim "needs" someone like Brandi in her life to be empathetic and supportive needs to watch a few episodes of Intervention to understand why this "friendship" is toxic and a disaster in the making.  

Edited February 12, 2015 by Persnickety1

[haydensterling]

She's an addict. one minute it's up to Kim and the next people around her shouldn't let her get away with.... It's old news that Kim relapses. The contradiction is people should be able to be all over Kim with questioning glances, or "gentle" prompting for information and scrutiny oh and god forbid she forgets where she puts her car keys (put me in that scenario all the freaking time and I'd grab the Xanax too) but at the same time it's up to Kim and it shouldn't be anyone else's burden? Either be involved or don't but all the unnecessary imposing of outsiders just wanting to roll in with criticism and shame doesn't really help Kim's cause. Every day and every person around her can't make it all about the elephant in the room. Yeah the elephant is there but like that horse it's in the corner beaten to a bloody pulp. What else is there left to do?  What's so hard about not contributing? Oh wait, that's walking on eggshells and coddling Kim which of course we don't ever do for people we care about or even strangers. We run in and out of people's lives and stomp around with no regard to how our behavior will affect others. Just because Kim is an addict doesn't mean that the basic courtesies shouldn't be observed. 

 

Sincerely, I think that everything you write here is precisely why Kim should not be on this show.  Wouldn't you agree?  How is anything that's happening, including the pressures of filming, NOT a recipe for disaster that she may not be capable of dealing with at the present time?  (Or the present time as we see it on the show.)

Ugh, I need coffee.

Edited February 12, 2015 by haydensterling

[njbchlover]

You keep using the word "bickering," or say their issues are petty, like they're bickering over whose turn it is to do the dishes. Kim's been an addict her entire adult life, and Kyle's awful mother put the responsibility of looking out for her AND keeping it a secret all on her. Those are some major pressures, not to mention a total mind fuck. Add to the mix the jealousies and competition, money issues, etc... No wonder they fight. And they will continue this pattern until Kyle goes to Al-Anon or learns how to disengage, or Kim's sobriety sticks, or Kim dies. Having a friend or any non-professional tell them to stop with the pettiness and remember they love each other, or any other silly platitude, is stupid and futile.

 

I've said this before, and I agree with you.

Big Kathy was one twisted individual, and she is still controlling her daughters (well, at least Kyle and Kim) from the grave.  I think what we all have to realize is that this is no "normal" family here - this is the Richards' sisters and their continual underlying issues of pleasing their Mom and making sure they do the "right" thing according to the rules that she set for them.  Kim and Kyle (more so, Kyle, imo) have such an ingrained sense of responsibility to make sure they do what Big Kathy wanted them to, so, if Big Kathy told Kyle to take care of Kim, Kyle will forever feel that she will always have to be Kim's caregiver.  She may rebel at times, and walk away for periods of time, but I think that guilt eventually gets the best of her, and she goes back. 

Kyle, also, reacts to everything so dramatically, and with all her emotions.  She has admitted that about herself.  So, anytime it appears that Kim may have had a sobriety slip-up, Kyle reacts with every emotion she has. 

Kyle is also very camera aware, and she knows that she has to be careful what comes out of her mouth about Kim, especially after the limo scene with Kim and Adrienne.  So, along with all her other emotions, I'm thinking there is some degree of frustration there, because she can't just blurt out everything that is going on in her mind while the cameras are on.

In my opinion, Kim's addiction problems are not the BIGGEST problem between the Richards sisters.  The biggest problem between Kim and Kyle is their mother, still playing them from her grave.  If they could open their minds to think that there is a possibility that their mother created this situation, and sought some kind of family counseling to deal with that, their relationship would be better.  But, that won't happen, because as you said, Big Kathy did not want them to tell "family secrets", and probably made them swear on her deathbed that they would never talk to anyone outside the family about things.

[Sincerely Yours]

If my employment demanded part of my job entail sitting in a closed space with a drugged up/fucked up/aggressive/hostile bitch like Kim, you bet your ass I'd be making her state of impairment my business.

 

 

Because this job to these women is absolutely necessary to put food on the table? If my job required me to feel the need to take it there with a coworker me thinks I'm finding another job and if not then me thinks I have to cope but the option of inserting myself, that deep, into THAT? Nah, I'd keep a respectable distance (as much as my job allows), deal as best as I good and leave it at that. Cause well some things are just not for everybody's involvement even if they are witness to it.

[imjagain]

Addiction is so complicated. I know some think the ladies are harping on Kim and non of their business.

I think the other women would look foolish if they did not talk about Kim's behavior.

Kim sobriety has been part of her story. Kim has talked about going to rehab and being clean now, so the subject is on the table.

I can only speak for myself but if I had a friend who was an addict and had gotten clean and was now acting odd. I'm sure me and my friends would talk about it. How could we not. More than likely also confront the friend and ask if they were using again. Then, go from there.

The problem these ladies have is it's a show with producers pushing storylines. So the endless conversations about Kim are the story this season.

Kim cannot do an interview with Andy about going to rehab and her alcoholism and not expect it to be talked about if she starts using/drinking again.

Edited February 12, 2015 by imjagain

[izabella]

Kyle, also, reacts to everything so dramatically, and with all her emotions.  She has admitted that about herself.  So, anytime it appears that Kim may have had a sobriety slip-up, Kyle reacts with every emotion she has.

 

To me it seemed that Kyle had an excellent handle on her emotions when Kim told her in Eileen's bathroom that she had taken Monty's pill.  Kyle didn't make a big deal out of it, and she merely went back to the party and eating and chatting with the other ladies about poker, not about Kim and her pill. 

 

Kim turned that into an emotional event when she went up to Kyle to get her dig in with that "thanks a lot Kyle."  That's when Kyle lost her cool, because she had been cool with pill before that.  Then Brandi took it up a few more notches.

[njbchlover]

This is what kills me about this whole "blame Kyle" business. The only reason people are speculating about Kim possibly committing suicide, or Kim wearing a patch, or what Kim's late night phone calls mean is because Brandi has provided all of this information. Yet, Brandi swears that she's looking out for Kim. #GirlBye.

 

Yes...this!!!  Brandi is great at deflecting, whether she realizes it or not. 

She keeps dropping these little hints - she'll start talking about something, with her voice lowered, giving the person she's speaking with a pointed look, and let the sentence hang there so that the other person is forced to draw their own conclusions and finish the sentence for her.

So, in a way, Brandi is protecting herself, because if a particular conversation is recalled, she can deflect again, and honestly say "I didn't say that...the other person did". 

We've seen her do this time and again. 

I honestly hope that Kim has watched these last couple of episodes, and when she did, she was sober, straight, and paying attention, or hopefully, she was with someone who can point out to her all the ways that Brandi has exposed Kim, to everyone.  It's doubtful, though...because I honestly think that Kim is lonely and is desperate for a real "friend" that is not family - not one of her sisters, or her daughters, or nieces.  She wants a "bff" that she can hang out with, laugh with, cry with, etc.  Something most average women have had in their lives.  I don't think that Kim has ever had that.  I think that Brandi picked up on that, and zeroed in on it.  Brandi may think that she is a good friend to Kim - in her mind, she is right.  It's just that Brandi's friendship is a dangerous one.

[Otherkate]

It is possible that if this had happened to someone else, I wouldn't keep bringing it up. As a woman, I would probably feel empathy on some level since this would probably be my ultimate humiliation.  This isn't someone else though. This is Brandi. This is a girl who likes to talk about pussy. About the state of her pussy. About the state of someone else's pussy. I don't know of anyone else who shares so much with us about this topic.

 

We know that hers got slack jawed and worn out and that she had a painful, expensive surgery to make it show-room new again after her divorce. I know this about her because she wrote it down in a book for me and for you, and even for her boys to read.

 

We know that she claims to have been around two people when a conversation broke out about the state of another woman's pussy. Yes, yes, this happens to me all of the time. Just standing at a dinner party enjoying my bruschetta and the man I am talking with happens to mention that the pussy of another woman has a foul odor. This is the type of conversation that happens around Brandi because she is up for it. It is OK to say such things around Brandi. And because Brandi has never heard secret or embarrassing information about another without sharing it with the world, an announcement must be made on live TV.

 

When Lisa is not in a forgiving mood, Brandi offers to eat her pussy. She says she has been told she is very good at it. Brandi shared this with us. 

 

So yes, given all that she likes to share with the world about this topic, the feminine hygiene choices that she makes would seem almost relevant to us all. 

 

Honestly, as much as I think Brandi is a massive soul sucker and if she were in my vicinity I'd either a.) run for the hills or b.) knock her lights out, I've never felt comfortable making fun of her for the tampon string fiasco. It's always seemed too below the belt to me. That said, you make some very good points here and it makes it harder to rise above. God knows, she wouldn't.

[Persnickety1]

Because this job to these women is absolutely necessary to put food on the table? If my job required me to feel the need to take it there with a coworker me thinks I'm finding another job and if not then me thinks I have to cope but the option of inserting myself, that deep, into THAT? Nah, I'd keep a respectable distance (as much as my job allows), deal as best as I good and leave it at that. Cause well some things are just not for everybody's involvement even if they are witness to it.

 

I would assume that, yes, they obviously have need for the money, hence all of their appearances on these shows.  Not just these women, across all of the franchises.  Whether it's to put food on their tables or simply to support an extravagant lifestyle isn't my concern.

 

If I signed up for a second season of this fiasco and being subjected to probably two of the biggest train wrecks on the RH franchises, I'd damned sure have a rider put into my contract that I would never have to be alone with either Brandi or Kim in a limousine or any other similar situation in which "tuck and roll" begins to seem like a viable alternative to dealing with the unpredictable crazy.

 

Let's be clear here.  These aren't sorority girls who have had too much to drink and are rambling and puking and harmless.

 

These are 2 grown-assed women who turn into physically and verbally aggressive assholes when they're imbibing in whatever substance they've chosen for the day.  I believe Lisa R even commented that Kim was kicking at her in that limousine at one point and becoming at times increasingly aggressive.  

 

Dealing with sloppy drunks?  Unpleasant but do-able.

 

Dealing with physically and/or verbally aggressive potentially assaultive substance abusers in the confines of a limo?

 

Nope.  

 

And I would never expect anyone to give up their source of income, whether it's to put food on the table or not, because of the shenanigans of a couple of out of control cast mates.  I certainly wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't expect anyone else to do it, either.  

 

I'd address it head on and try to figure out a resolution.  

Edited February 12, 2015 by Persnickety1