S01.E10: Hello Raskolnikov

[ElTVaddict]

The bathroom scene was awesome, I just wanted Annalise to calmly point out. Being a monster would be killing someone, or letting an innocent girl go to jail for someone else's crime. 

ITA, but I think the look she gave them, standing between them at the sink and how uncomfortable they were got her point across.

[Chicago Redshirt]

I don't know how they can retcon that Rebecca did it. She was at the house so she can steal incriminating info from Sam's computer so she would have evidence to help her. It doesn't make sense if she was really the killer.

I wonder how they will get away with all of this, but only a few episodes left to figure some of it out. Glad to have this show back- I missed all the soapiness of it. I'm one of the few fans of Wes (not Rebecca) so I hope he doesn't get caught.

 

We don't know what she necessarily would have done if Sam hadn't interrupted her. Maybe she was going through the motions of looking for incriminating evidence. Maybe she was planning to plant some incriminating evidence.

Why would Bonnie want to frame Sam for the murder, if he didn't do it? The real killer did a lot of work to make sure it looked like Sam is the guilty party. I put out my theory in the speculation thread, didn't want to get off the episode topic here.

As far as I can tell, there are exactly 5 potential suspects in Lila's murder. (In that, by the rules of TV extended mysteries, the murderer must be a character that we've spent some time with. I mean, hypothetically, they could just say "John Smith, a character that we've never heard of actually did it!" but that would be bad TV)

 

1. Sam

2. Rebecca

3. Griffin

4. Annalise

5. Bonnie

 

So Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Bonnie did it.

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Annalise did it.

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Sam did it (the old "frame a guilty guy")

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam as a woman scorned.

Bonnie could want to frame Sam to ingratiate herself to Annalise.

[darkestboy]

I really enjoyed that episode. The lengths Annalise is prepared to go are interesting, even if keeping Sam's ring might be her undoing. Either that or Hannah of course.

I liked Hannah being revealed as Sam's sister as opposed to his first wife and I hope there's plenty of antagonist moments with her and Annalise as well in the remaining episodes.

Connor freaking out was unexpected as was him trying to team up with Michaela to go to the police. He seems like he's about to crack big time. Oliver doesn't seem to believe his drug addict lie either.

Laurel's quite sneaky, isn't she? There's something quite dark about that character.

Interesting that Rebecca now won't have to go to a trial but I don't believe that Sam is Lila's killer either. Still not loving her and Wes as a couple but not too fussed either.

Bonnie was a little abrupt with Asher and how much does Frank actually know? What did Annalise even tell him that he's mad at Laurel? Not everything I imagine.

Great return episode there, 8/10

[cooksdelight]

Chicago Redshirt, remember that Lila was pregnant. She didn't want to get rid of the baby. See my theory in the Speculation thread. :)

[BigWhiteBird]

Great episode! Hopefully there will be fewer flashbacks .... I found them distracting (or at least the way they were presented distracting).

Is the lost engagement ring forgotten? Did I miss something? How does Michaela explain not wearing it? I doubt she could afford to replace it. Will it come back to haunt them later? Or will it just never be mentioned again?

That bathroom scene was just incredible! No words needed by Annalise - they would have ruined the moment.

Do you think that the cop (Nate?) trusts Annalise? It appears that he has but doesn't that seem to be a pretty big leap? Do we really know where his wife is or what happened to her? She is in hospital, I think but was it explained why? or how long?

[helenamonster]

Yeah, I'm still not convinced Sam killed Lila. Rebecca looked a little too smug after the case against her was dropped. I mean, yeah, I get being relieved, but they were kind of friends. Not saying she did it either, but this definitely isn't over.

 

I assumed Marcia Gay Harden would be playing Sam's first wife, not his sister, but this works too. She and Tom Verica could pass for siblings. At first I thought she said her name was "Anna" and I was like, wait, we'll have Anna and Annalise? But I guess it's Hannah. I do wonder if his first wife will come into play. If she's still in the Philadelphia area, she must know what's going on.

 

I don't think Frank really knows what happened. I feel like Annalise told him something else to throw him off the scent. Maybe because of her "don't tell Bonnie" thing, she told Frank that Sam had an affair with Laurel as well? It would explain his anger, and jive with Laurel's lie during her interview that Sam looked at her funny.

 

I like the woman who plays the prosecutor, she's fun!

 

Surprised that Connor, Michaela, and Laurel found out about Annalise knowing so soon. I figured that would be dragged out longer. But I knew that people would definitely start forming alliances and declaring loyalties and undercutting each other. They're all freaked. Understandably.

[Azaelia]

I was actually relieved that they didn't drag out Laurel, Connor and Michaela not knowing about Annalise knowing/orchestrating what they'd do with Sam's body.

 

I do wonder why Rebecca didn't have a bit of less smug reaction to getting off, but then again, Rebecca doesn't seem like someone who really shows her true emotions. i mean, she lied about not being friends with Lila when she clearly was; you have to be pretty hard to say you weren't friends with someone you just found out was murdered.  Although you could argue that the "friendship" was really one-sided on Lila's part.

Edited January 31, 2015 by Azaelia

[KaveDweller]

I'm pretty sure their plan was to go to the cops and tell them what happened which essentially would mean putting the murder on Wes and Rebecca. Connor's comment was that Rebecca was the one who went into Sam's home uninvited (which is true) and Wes dealt the fatal blow (which is also true) and they were just bystanders. Now who knows if they would have left out their part in the cover up which certainly increases their culpability.

 

I think they were going to admit their involvement in the cover up because they talked about how they were in shock and having PTSD after the murder.  That was going to be their excuse to why they helped get rid of the body and were hoping they'd get off easy for that because they didn't actually cause the death, and were coming forward on their own.

[helenamonster]

I forgot to mention that the scene with Annalise in the bathroom is the kind of stuff that helps people win SAG Awards. Damn that was awesome.

[Hava]

I still can't stand Rebecca and don't give a shit about her and Wes as a couple and can't stand him when attached to her. I'm sick of her 90's emo "I haven't had a bath in years" look and his dumb, doh face around her annoys the fuck out of me. Still don't give a shit about Frank and definitely don't give a shit about Frank and Laurel.

But what bothers me most is my continued annoyance at how the others got themselves in that stupid situation in the first place. The whole time Connor was telling Michaela why they should go to the police and how they could get out of any culpability, all I could think was "gee dumbass, all that should have been obvious to you before you allowed yourself to be talked into the cover up and became a full on accessory by hacking the man's body to pieces." Not to mention when they were in Wes' ugly apartment discussing all the ways they couldn't prove Sam did murder Lila or even knew she was pregnant and all I could think was "again, should have thought of all this before just listening to Wes and going to the man's house, instead of calling the damn police if they had suspicions and thought Rebecca was in danger." The stupidity of the whole situation just makes it hard for me enjoy the show.

 

 

Are you me? Because this is exactly how I feel. Can't stand Wes, Rebecca, Wes/Rebecca, Frank, or Frank/Laurel.

 

And Michaela and Connor being involved in the murder is just ridiculous. Like you said, they should have gone to the police immediately or extracted themselves from the situation before the cover-up. I was actually happy that they even came to this realization and were about to go to the police. I guess it was obvious that they wouldn't because there would no more show if they did, but I was really hoping they would.

[Haleth]

It will be interesting to find out if Sam didn't kill Lyla. Maybe that will be the season finale? Geez, those kids aren't going to last that long before someone breaks.

Best thing though? No more flashbacks to the bonfire and the twirling cheerleader.

Marcia Gay Harden is going to be a great addition. She was brilliant in The Newsroom. She and Viola should have some great scenes.

 

(Damn autocorrect.)

Edited February 1, 2015 by Haleth

[Chairperson Meow]

I loved this episode too. I think if they'd gone in too bold after the murder reveal winter finale, it'd have been too much. I think after this episode that Annalise is somehow related to Wes or maybe Nate is. I'm still thinking about Rebecca going to Nate and why hasn't he said anything about Wes. Why has Wes dating Rebecca raised no red flags with detectives? Somehow he has to be connected to Annie or Nate, since she seems to love Nate and have this kind of mocking, yet protective relationship with Wes. Like she wants to love him and not dislike him or doesn't want to love him, but does. I haven't fully decided, but it's a plot.

[truthaboutluv]

Why has Wes dating Rebecca raised no red flags with detectives?

 

 

It didn't raise red flags because he volunteered the information in his police interview. He didn't treat it like some secret. Also the police officer did ask him if that wasn't some conflict of interest and he stated that he's not really a lawyer just yet, he just works for Annalise and Annalise is the one who is Rebecca's attorney.

 

Also, it shouldn't raise red flags yet in my opinion, because far as we know, the police don't know that Sam is dead yet. Which is why I agreed with some about the tone of the interviews and how it seemed a bit more intense than expected for what at this point should just be a missing person's case. But the way the investigators were questioning everyone, they acted like they already knew or strongly suspected there was some foul play.

Edited February 1, 2015 by truthaboutluv

[Azaelia]

i actually wonder if the reason they'd killed Sam was planned all along? Or was it while they were filming? Because it does seemsto me like they were setting up that all five of them (if we include Rebecca) were directly involved initially (rather than being in the wrong place at the wrong time), then decided not to go for that. Or maybe that was just my impression; I think that would have made more sense, personally. ALL of them going to confront Sam/find evidence, Annalise putting ALL of them up to it, and then things ending really badly. 

 

I still like the show as a concept, but these characters need to be more likable for me to really care what happens to them. I feel like they're relying on tropes and basic character traits, rather than building on them. 

 

But the way the investigators were questioning everyone, they acted like they already knew or strongly suspected there was some foul play.

 

 

Yeah, I thought so too. But I also seem to remember seeing a flashback where it was obvious something went wrong, like someone had broken in?

Edited February 1, 2015 by Azaelia

[wanderingstar]

I am never sure how much Nate trusts Annalise. It seems like he's not completely blind to how manipulative and calculating she can be. And yet, I never doubt that he cares for her (or that she cares for him). It'll be interesting to see if their relationship survives the season. My guess is that with all the lies and treachery and plotting, it won't.

[Tiger]

As far as I can tell, there are exactly 5 potential suspects in Lila's murder. (In that, by the rules of TV extended mysteries, the murderer must be a character that we've spent some time with. I mean, hypothetically, they could just say "John Smith, a character that we've never heard of actually did it!" but that would be bad TV)

 

1. Sam

2. Rebecca

3. Griffin

4. Annalise

5. Bonnie

 

So Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Bonnie did it.

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Annalise did it.

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam if Sam did it (the old "frame a guilty guy")

 

Bonnie could want to frame Sam as a woman scorned.

Bonnie could want to frame Sam to ingratiate herself to Annalise.

While I agree that all five of them are suspects, Wes is still my # 1 suspect. And it really comes down to nothing concrete, beyond the story he told Rebecca about his mother, but everything with how the actor has played the character and that i don't see a path forward unless one of the Keating 5 did it. They can have Wes or one of the others be guilty and move forward; they cannot move forward without Annalise.

[truthaboutluv]

and that i don't see a path forward unless one of the Keating 5 did it. They can have Wes or one of the others be guilty and move forward; they cannot move forward without Annalise.

 

 

And I would actually say that reasoning once again points to Rebecca as the top suspect. The show can more than easily move forward without her and she more than any of the other younger characters is still very much a peripheral character. For most of the season, Rebecca was seen mostly seen through Wes' eyes - his interest in her, her interactions with her, their relationship, etc. We got the flashbacks of Lila that were supposed to show their friendship but again, I still don't know how truthful they were.

 

As in I think Lila may have thought Rebecca was more of her friend than she really was. Basically she's hardly a character on the show in her own right as opposed to Wes, Connor, Michaela and Laurel. I would also add that of the Keating 5, Wes so far, has been the more leading character so I would argue I don't see the show moving forward without him or Annalise. There is a weird dynamic between those two that I believe the writers haven't even begun to scratch the surface of. 

[KaveDweller]

Also, it shouldn't raise red flags yet in my opinion, because far as we know, the police don't know that Sam is dead yet. Which is why I agreed with some about the tone of the interviews and how it seemed a bit more intense than expected for what at this point should just be a missing person's case.

 

It definitely seemed over the top, Sam had only been missing a day by then.  Wouldn't the police just think it was a matter of Sam running off because his wife found out he'd cheated and they had a fight?  I thought you couldn't even file a missing persons report on someone if it had been less than 3 days. Adults are allowed to take off for a few days and not call their wife back.  They didn't suspect that Sam killed Lila at that point and there was no sign of foul play.  So, who cares?

[Mabinogia]

It is a bit odd, now you point it out. And I thought that yes, an adult going missing, there is a longer time before you can officially report it, I think it's shorter with kids, at least that's what Law and Order has taught me. lol And, given all that is going on, it would seem logical that a man with the financial means, in the position he was in, fight with wife, mistress murdered, etc, would run. One could say that his running makes him look guilty of Lila's murder and therefore he is a person of interest now, but DA Lady or whoever she is, sure seemed hell bent on sticking with the Rebecca is guilty story so IDK if that's their thinking.

 

Ah, who knows. This show makes no sense. It is interesting that Analiese was pretty damn sure that Sam had come back to town that day, to go through the trouble she went to get the laptop examined. I thought Nate had lied and told her Sam stayed in New Haven? I'm probably misremembering that part. And I doubt there is a shred of trust either way between her and Nate anyway so nevermind. lol

[helenamonster]

It is a bit odd, now you point it out. And I thought that yes, an adult going missing, there is a longer time before you can officially report it, I think it's shorter with kids, at least that's what Law and Order has taught me. lol And, given all that is going on, it would seem logical that a man with the financial means, in the position he was in, fight with wife, mistress murdered, etc, would run. One could say that his running makes him look guilty of Lila's murder and therefore he is a person of interest now, but DA Lady or whoever she is, sure seemed hell bent on sticking with the Rebecca is guilty story so IDK if that's their thinking.

 

Ah, who knows. This show makes no sense. It is interesting that Analiese was pretty damn sure that Sam had come back to town that day, to go through the trouble she went to get the laptop examined. I thought Nate had lied and told her Sam stayed in New Haven? I'm probably misremembering that part. And I doubt there is a shred of trust either way between her and Nate anyway so nevermind. lol

 

Oh yeah, if a kid goes missing, you call the police ASAP.

 

Nate did originally lie to Annalise and tell her that Sam didn't leave New Haven, but then I think he eventually told her the truth. I think to hurt her, make her think her husband was murderer? The details are fuzzy.

[Happytobehere]

Not to get too into speculation but my theory of Bonnie being guilty doesn't include her framing Sam for it. I just think she murdered Lila probably due to her weird feelings for both Sam and Annalise and Lila was a threat to them both. And we know she not only knew of Lila's existence but suspected exactly why she came to Annalise's determined to speak to her. Two, I don't think the real killer went to a lot of work to make sure Sam looked guilty. I think all the things found out about Sam in this episode were conscious actions taken by him. And they all make him look very, very guilty but it's still all circumstantial if you think about it. Thing is, I think most of what the DA had against Rebecca and Griffin was circumstantial as well. So faced with someone with far more compelling circumstantial evidence pointing to their guilt, they had to drop the charges.

 

I thought it was clear in the mid-season finale that Sam was lying and very much knew Lila had been pregnant so the DNA of the fetus matching and his trying to convince her to have an abortion all make perfect sense. I also think his lying about where he was and coming back to Philadelphia had to do with Lila but probably to try and convince her again to abort the child, not kill her. The fact is Sam's own actions do make him seem incredibly guilty because it gives him motive and opportunity but there is still no evidence far as I know that he spoke to, saw Lila that night and no evidence of his DNA on her dead body. So I don't think the real killer set it up to make Sam look guilty - he made himself look guilty.

I agree with this 100%. I don't believe Sam killed Lila, nor do I believe the killer was trying to frame him. Sam's actions are what made him look guilty and this has worked to the real killer's advantage. I however think his actions speak more to a man trying to cover his affair with and the possible paternity (I say possible because of my who did it theory) of the baby of a girl who was murdered. Any chance they had of convincing me that Sam was the murderer went out the window during his viscous scene with Annalise. With all the hurtful and damaging things they said to and anout one another, Sam seemed perturbed that Annalise thought he killed Lila. In that moment, has he actually done it, I doubt that would be his reaction.

For me. I just keep going back to the title of the show and not the flashbak distractions which have resulted in people thinking the murder being "gotten away with" is Sam's. I still think it that Lila is the real "get away with," which means Sam's not her killer. Even if they just drop the storyline and let everyone think he did it, I don't believe that's the case.

[Catronia]

I strongly got the sense in this episode (a little in the previous one), that Annalise is Wes's birth mother. I don't get a sexual vibe from her attentions to him, but a maternal one that goes beyond a general affection for her chosen students. He really isn't more impressive than any of the others, but she's picked him out to share "our secrets," and gives him physical affection that she doesn't to the others. There was one scene that I thought was especially interesting: When the group was talking about how to track Sam's movements on the night of Lila's murder, Wes popped up with the idea of checking his laptop which might have cell phone backup on it. Annalise had her back to the group, and gave this proud smile before turning around as if she were happy that Wes in particular came up with this new idea. It's like she's rooting for Wes to be the best of them.

 

Wes told Rebecca that he was born in Haiti and then grew up in the US. I wonder if Annalise gave him up for adoption on the condition that his adoptive parents wouldn't tell him that he was adopted, then kept tabs on him over the years. It would explain his last-minute admission to the school, and his inclusion in the Keating Five when he had not done anything impressive to warrant it.

[Nanrad]

I had a different take on the bathroom scene.  Annalise commits crime after crime.  From planting evidence, to implicating innocent people, and now orchestrating the coverup of a homicide.  She regularly cheats on her husband (after cheating with him in his first marriage), yet goes ballistic when he does the same.  She manipulates everyone in sight, lies to them, puts their futures at risk to advance her own schemes. 

 

I.e. she is much more a monster than those gossipy women can imagine. 

I think Annalise might be a monster, but not for these reasons. Now, throwing out my underdeveloped, unvoiced theory, Annalise covering up the murder doesn't make her a monster. As stated a few times in this thread, the police would think that she was a suspect in killing her husband because of Lyla, the baby, and their argument. She's trying to prevent from being wrongly accused and/or going to prison because, from a previous case, we've seen a man serve 21 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. And the police wouldn't just use the affair with Lyla as motive, but Sam's constant cheating and how they got together, which could convince most people that Annalise had the most motive. 

 

Cheating is wrong, but I don't compare Annalise's infidelity to Sam's infidelity. We know of at least three instances Sam has cheated" with Annalise on his first wife, another unnamed student, and now Lyla. Annalise's cheating is a result of a frustrated wife who was tired of being cheating on. In the show, Annalise said after she found out Sam's involvement with Lyla, that she didn't need him anymore.

 

It's hypocritical for her to be upset, but it's different and understandable because of his past cheating as well as constant lying. 

 

I don't know how they can retcon that Rebecca did it. She was at the house so she can steal incriminating info from Sam's computer so she would have evidence to help her. It doesn't make sense if she was really the killer.

I wonder how they will get away with all of this, but only a few episodes left to figure some of it out. Glad to have this show back- I missed all the soapiness of it. I'm one of the few fans of Wes (not Rebecca) so I hope he doesn't get caught.

It wouldn't be a retcon, as someone stated, Rebecca would be finding evidence to incriminate him to make it seem like he did it rather than her. Because I'm not convinced Sam did it and we've heard the story from Rebecca's POV, but that could've easily to be to throw them off or exaggerating how close they were.

[JenE4]

I didn't think that they were investigating Sam as a missing person. Based on Annalise's urging, they were investigating whether he killed Lila. I don't understand why they were interviewing the kids because the murder happened before they started law school, but I suppose since they're in the house, they just wanted to know whether they observed any suspicious behavior. But that's also why I don't understand why some are speculating that one of the Keating 5 murdered Lila. The murder happened before they met Annalise or Rebecca, and there's no evidence that they ever knew Lila. Now, I'd speculate on Annalise or Bonnie or Frank, sure.

[shapeshifter]

Almost forgot about this show.

About the ring possibly coming back to bite someone: Unless it was bleached, it probably has Wes' and/or the others' DNA on it. And if it was bleached, it has suspicious traces of bleach.

About doubts as to whether Sam really did kill Lila: That's probably just the Marcia Gay Harden effect taking over our minds. Heh. Or not.

I strongly got the sense in this episode (a little in the previous one), that Annalise is Wes's birth mother...

I thought that too all through the first half of the season and agree that everything else in you post makes sense. But...when Annalise put her hands on Connor's face and looked at him the way she does Wes, I thought maybe that motherly act is just one of her techniques to get her students to trust her and do her bidding.

[PrincessTT]

I don't know how they can retcon that Rebecca did it. She was at the house so she can steal incriminating info from Sam's computer so she would have evidence to help her. It doesn't make sense if she was really the killer.

I wonder how they will get away with all of this, but only a few episodes left to figure some of it out. Glad to have this show back- I missed all the soapiness of it. I'm one of the few fans of Wes (not Rebecca) so I hope he doesn't get caught.

 

If Rebecca was the killer then she may have seen Sam leaving the roof before whatever then happened with her & Lila on the roof, so she would know that his computer would show that he had been there hence trying to get that evidence from it and get herself off. 

[shapeshifter]

If Rebecca was the killer then she may have seen Sam leaving the roof before whatever then happened with her & Lila on the roof, so she would know that his computer would show that he had been there hence trying to get that evidence from it and get herself off.

Good thinking, but Rebecca seems too physically wimpy to do the whole body dump. No? Maybe Sam and Rebecca did it together because Sam was Rebecca's lover too. Edited February 1, 2015 by shapeshifter

[truthaboutluv]

But that's also why I don't understand why some are speculating that one of the Keating 5 murdered Lila. The murder happened before they met Annalise or Rebecca, and there's no evidence that they ever knew Lila.

 

 

I think the theory some have is that Wes' joining the class coming off the wait-list was a bit too convenient, as is his ending up next door to Rebecca and his seemingly inexplicable obsession with her. 

 

About doubts as to whether Sam really did kill Lila: That's probably just the Marcia Gay Harden effect taking over our minds. Heh. Or not.

 

 

Nope...speaking for myself, I've been convinced all season long that Sam didn't really kill Lila. I just think it's too easy and his not being the killer allows for a greater twist on the show other than just watching the Keating 4 and Annalise hiding his murder. 

 

Maybe Sam and Lila did it together because he was Rebecca's lover too.

 

 

I guess you mean Sam and Rebecca? I could buy this if we hadn't been shown scenes of Rebecca and Sam alone together that clearly showed they didn't really know each other at first and that they both really hated each other once Rebecca figured out that Sam was the older married guy Lila was sleeping with. I could however buy Rebecca and Griffin both killing Lila which would explain their suspicious behavior earlier in the season.

Edited February 1, 2015 by truthaboutluv

[luvly]

There was one scene that I thought was especially interesting: When the group was talking about how to track Sam's movements on the night of Lila's murder, Wes popped up with the idea of checking his laptop which might have cell phone backup on it. Annalise had her back to the group, and gave this proud smile before turning around as if she were happy that Wes in particular came up with this new idea. It's like she's rooting for Wes to be the best of them.

 

Was it really a new idea, though? I thought she was smiling because she got one over on them. She already knew what the laptop would prove -- Nate told her he'd lied about Sam's whereabouts and Wes told her about the circumstances leading to Sam's death, presumably including smashing the flash drive with the information they needed because it would implicate them in Sam's death. The real problem was that, at that time, she had to let the other students believe she was in the dark about the murder. So she lets Connor go to Oliver to track Sam's movements knowing it'll fail and then lets Wes suggest the computer backup idea. Connor, Michaela and Laurel even look nervous when he brings it up.

[KaveDweller]

Good thinking, but Rebecca seems too physically wimpy to do the whole body dump

 

Maybe Rebecca (or someone else) killed her, then when Sam (or someone else) showed up for a date he found her and did the body dump because he thought he'd be a suspect? 

[rozen]

-Viola is a surprisingly bad liar, at least Annalise is. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if she took Sam's phone, drove to all these places and killed Lila herself. I mean it makes sense. She has the motive. She just didn't have the guts to kill her husband herself. Now that Wes and them did her dirty work for her, she just goes with it. I'm somewhat doubting the legitimacy of the scene where she cries over Sam's body. It seemed to all go according to her plan. The only problem with this theory is that she seems to be legitimately helping Wes and the others out of the murder. If she truly just wanted him dead, what's wrong with pinpointing it on her students? 

 

Yup. Then again, I can also see Annalise rage-driving over to confront Lila with the picture of her husband's junk, only to see he was already there, and wigging out. Sam's been married to her long enough to know driving his car to go kill someone would be stupid. 

 

I'm still holding onto the hope that Wes is totally shady and has been involved in some long con with Annalise from the start. His red-eyed "I can't do this anymore" seemed really over the top for just keeping the three rugrats in check. There just such a strange...lack of bullshit between him and Annalise that isn't explained by him being her secret lovebaby, or her wanting to sleep with him (imo). 

 

Connor and Michaela were straight stupid, because if they legit thought Annalise didn't know and were still planning to turn themselves in...It doesn't matter what "deal" they made, Annalise would rain hellfire down on them way or another. "Our careers won't be destroyed," girl please, Annalise could accomplish that during a pee break. 

 

Omg, those women with their rictus grins. They were waiting for some type of reaction to be defensive about, and she just gave them creepy, prolonged, eye contact then slinked off. Keep the lights on, and check under the beds before going to sleep, ladies!

 

Nate is actually the perfect man for Annalise. Because he is soooo going to investigate her behind her back, probably while continuing to sleep with her to maintain his cover. I hope his wife gets everything whenever she divorces him.

 

Oh, the circle of life. Annalise shuts down Bonnie, Bonnie re-gifts the uppercut right into Asher's ego. It's almost sad, but then I remember it's Asher, and I laugh. They should just pin everything on him, win-win!

Edited February 2, 2015 by rozen

[wanderingstar]

Nate is actually the perfect man for Annalise. Because he is soooo going to investigate her behind her back, probably while continuing to sleep with her to maintain his cover. I hope his wife gets everything whenever she divorces him.

 

I hope we see Nate's wife at some point. I'd like to think she knows about his affair with Annalise and is plotting some way to get revenge on him.

[racked]

 

I'm still holding onto the hope that Wes is totally shady and has been involved in some long con with Annalise from the start. His red-eyed "I can't do this anymore" seemed really over the top for just keeping the three rugrats in check. There just such a strange...lack of bullshit between him and Annalise that isn't explained by him being her secret lovebaby, or her wanting to sleep with him (imo). 

I think so too. There was a moment where Annalise said something about how badly it goes when Wes tells Rebecca one of "our" secrets and she emphasized that word and gave him a look that I think meant something more than what we have seen onscreen. Those two have always played their relationship as having more under the surface. Wes as a character is still hiding something big. I like the actor so much but hate him when he's around Rebecca so I hope she's the killer just so she will be gone next year.

[shapeshifter]

I think so too. There was a moment where Annalise said something about how badly it goes when Wes tells Rebecca one of "our" secrets and she emphasized that word and gave him a look that I think meant something more than what we have seen onscreen. Those two have always played their relationship as having more under the surface. Wes as a character is still hiding something big. I like the actor so much but hate him when he's around Rebecca so I hope she's the killer just so she will be gone next year.

This is all possible, however, so is it still possible that Annalise is just doing her usual manipulative routine with Wes. Calling it "our secret" could just be a ploy to make him think he's in on the shot calling when in reality she's pulling all the strings. Or it could go as you and other describe, racked. IDK. I tend to see both sides of things and all possibilities. It drives some people nuts and I'd be hated if I was on a jury.

[Fable]

I just rewatched the last few episodes, and during this one, when they were speculating that Sam took off to avoid murder charges, I kept asking "what about Sam's car?"  It had to be at the house because we know he died there (unless someone got rid of it and the show just hasn't addressed that yet).  Would he really take off without his car?  I guess they could assume, he may have left it behind so they couldn't track him in it and just hopped on a bus or something, but I still think this is something that would have been looked into.