Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Rumsy4]

9 minutes ago, Mitch said:

Also, I am hoping we actually get a scene where Roni wakes up and remembers who she is and is appalled at all the death and destruction she caused in the past...even a reformed villain should always have their past haunting them and Parrilla could actually sink her teeth into that.

Nah. The writers will never let Regina get there.

[Camera One]

It is funny how given the alternative, a Regina centric is really quite preferable.  

The next episode is called "Wake Up Call", so will Regina wake up?  I want to see her non-Cursed self fighting Victoria, but at the same time, it seems a little too soon.  At this rate, everyone would remember by the winter finale.  

[Mitch]

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

Nah. The writers will never let Regina get there.

I know... I thought with the trip to Hades Regina would be confronted by all her victims "You left my children motherless you BITCH!" and have to see how, individually and personally she ruined lives for her selfish anger..that would really have taken her one step closer to a real redemption..(especially if by taking on the murdered souls pain she allows them to move on..) Again, a great scene for Parrilla to play.  And then I thought having the EQ unfettered by "Regina," would be fun and allow LP to play her more like S1, where she could be more subtle and show the pain and anger then just the camp gruffness...but no....so, yea, a great opp for these writers gets a big old "Lets Pass!"

[KingOfHearts]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

It is funny how given the alternative, a Regina centric is really quite preferable.  

The next episode is called "Wake Up Call", so will Regina wake up?  I want to see her non-Cursed self fighting Victoria, but at the same time, it seems a little too soon.  At this rate, everyone would remember by the winter finale.  

We've all wanted Regina to have a wake-up call since S2.

[Camera One]

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Is there anything you can tease about Regina’s flashback episode and if we’ll get a sense of her love interest for the season?
KITSIS: We are. [The love interest is] not going to be until the second half of the season

I hope it's Justice Frollo.

[ParadoxLost]

7 hours ago, Camera One said:

The next episode is called "Wake Up Call", so will Regina wake up?  I want to see her non-Cursed self fighting Victoria, but at the same time, it seems a little too soon.  At this rate, everyone would remember by the winter finale.  

I still don't get how they are going to deal with Henry or Regina waking up.  No one is going to call Storybrooke?  No one is going to go there?  If they are mysteriously cut off from the world, then how does that not become the narrative once Henry and Regina start understanding that henry's book happened.  At least Rumple has the excuse of Belle being dead and Hook isn't Hook. 

[Camera One]

1 minute ago, ParadoxLost said:

No one is going to call Storybrooke?  

When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

[Watt]

Q: does Victoria know who weaver really is? That he's rumple and the dark one? Or does she think he's just some random?

 

PS just came from Twitter where also everyone hates Jacinda and #hivey is a thing. ?

Edited November 5, 2017 by Watt

[Camera One]

Just now, Watt said:

Q: does Victoria know who weaver really is? That he's rumple and the dark one? Or does she think he's just some random?

I was wondering the same thing.  She didn't seem to clue in when Weaver said "Dearie", so I'm leaning towards no?  But that seems unlikely considering how easy Tremaine was able to do "research" on Henry.

[Serena]

14 hours ago, Watt said:

PS just came from Twitter where also everyone hates Jacinda and #hivey is a thing. ?

Of course Hivey is a thing. A&E were trying to create the new Snowing and they created the new Swan Queen instead (hero + villain). I'm saying SQ and not CS because CS was intentional.

[Souris]

Apparently Bex said at the Burbank con that she's back in the main cast. Not sure if that's legit or misinterpretation.

[Camera One]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are re-configuring the show for the back-half.  Given the feedback, I expect they will move Jacinda to recurring for an eventual exit, which leaves room for a series regular.  And then be prepared for a lot of revisionist history in their interviews about how this was what they intended all along.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Camera One

[legaleagle53]

On 11/4/2017 at 8:14 PM, Camera One said:

I was wondering the same thing.  She didn't seem to clue in when Weaver said "Dearie", so I'm leaning towards no?  But that seems unlikely considering how easy Tremaine was able to do "research" on Henry.

Quite probably, since she referred to Cinderella by name during her conversation with the witch and knew who Henry really was.  What she evidently doesn't know is that Rumpel is now awake.

[MadyGirl1987]

36 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

. Have they yet explained what Henry, Roni, Weaver, and Rogers all believe is their past? Does Henry believe he was hatched from an egg? Does Roni think she used to be in an all girl  rock band that broke up in the 80s? Does Rogers remember how he lost/hurt his hand? Does Weaver know that Rogers isn't Killian as he knows him?

Actually, them not remembering the past seems in line with what we saw with Curse 1.0. Henry tells Emma to ask anyone about their past and that it's all fuzzy to them. When Graham is starting to wake-up, he asks Mary Margaret how they met and she can't remember it.

[CCTC]

22 hours ago, Souris said:

Apparently Bex said at the Burbank con that she's back in the main cast. Not sure if that's legit or misinterpretation.

I like Zelina, and think Bex does a nice acting job with the part, but I also think the character works best when she shows up from time to time to cause trouble in a wicked witch sort of way rather than someone who is going to be working out angsty sister issues and now most likely mother-daughter issues. 

Lana and Bex are both good actors, and with good writing, they could have done a lot with that relationship, but instead they just bring out each other's annoying whining side.

[Camera One]

What in the realm is Regina wearing in the promo photos for the next episode?  I presume that's a flashback with Drizella?  Is that the fashion in the Enchanted Forest Redux?  Or is it the latest fashion for Resistance Army?  

[Souris]

33 minutes ago, Camera One said:

What in the realm is Regina wearing in the promo photos for the next episode?  I presume that's a flashback with Drizella?  Is that the fashion in the Enchanted Forest Redux?  Or is it the latest fashion for Resistance Army?  

Oh, my. That's ... interesting.

[Camera One]

Is it supposed to match that tanktop Roni wore throughout the last episode?

[Shanna Marie]

I haven't seen the press release for the next episode posted, but here's the online TV guide listing:

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Feeling like a third wheel as Henry and Cinderella's relationship strengthens, Regina finds herself needed by Drizella; Roni seeks Weaver's help in finding answers; Tilly offers Rogers some intriguing advice concerning Eloise Gardener.

The "feeling like a third wheel as Henry and Cinderella's relationship strengthens" is verging into creepy territory, especially if you add it to those promo pics from a few weeks ago with Regina leaning in on Henry like she was staking her claim in front of Cinderella.

[Camera One]

I thought she was their self-appointed cheerleader?  Suddenly, she feels like a third wheel?  The character motivations continue to be all over the place.  It seems like a forced reason to have a centric.

So will Weaver be next to have a cryptic conversation with the Witch?

WEAVER: Come out, come out, wherever you are.

Witch saunters into the frame and gives her patented smirk.  This is an epic showdown of words.
WITCH: I knew you'd come around.
WEAVER: So are you ready to do what you said you were ready to do?
WITCH: I've never been more ready.
Fake to black.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

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So will Weaver be next to have a cryptic conversation with the Witch?

WEAVER: Are you the person I've been looking for?
WITCH: I'm the person everyone is looking for.
WEAVER: The one who can cleave me of the Dagger?
WITCH: A Dagger? I'm still waiting for someone to cleave me of these dreads.

Edited November 7, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Mitch]

16 hours ago, CCTC said:

I like Zelina, and think Bex does a nice acting job with the part, but I also think the character works best when she shows up from time to time to cause trouble in a wicked witch sort of way rather than someone who is going to be working out angsty sister issues and now most likely mother-daughter issues. 

Lana and Bex are both good actors, and with good writing, they could have done a lot with that relationship, but instead they just bring out each other's annoying whining side.

I think they did a fairly good job with Zelena's redemption..at the end of last season she was what Regina should have been, redeemed when it comes down to it but not above serving her own selfish needs and actually thinking most of the "heroes" are a bunch of dorks. Zelena makes a good supporting character/greek chorus rolling her eyes at the things going on around her. This season needs some humor..and I am okay with Zelena being the sarcastic thorn in Grumpy Regina's side, but I don't want a reshash of sister angst.

[Rumsy4]

4 minutes ago, Mitch said:

I don't want a reshash of sister angst

Oh god, same! But I think that's something to expect. It looks like Zelena checked out of Storybrooke and raised her daughter elsewhere (in a Realm where time moves differently *cue eyeroll*). Regina and Zelena likely had a falling-out, as Regina seems to have had no life w/o Henry in Storybrooke.

[KingOfHearts]

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 It looks like Zelena checked out of Storybrooke and raised her daughter elsewhere (in a Realm where time moves differently *cue eyeroll*).

They were neighbors to Rumpbelle at the Edge of Realms, but never realized it. 

[Kktjones]

16 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

It looks like Zelena checked out of Storybrooke and raised her daughter elsewhere (in a Realm where time moves differently *cue eyeroll*).

This still wouldn't explain why Robin has aged 20 years and Zelena looks exactly the same! Just par for the course this season I guess :).

[Rumsy4]

46 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

This still wouldn't explain why Robin has aged 20 years and Zelena looks exactly the same!

A strict regimen of magical juice-cleanses and baby dragon eggs. :-p

[CCTC]

22 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Robin went to boarding school in the faster time realm?

She went to the summer camp or boarding school all soap parents send their kids to when they need a new set of teens or young adults.

[KingOfHearts]

23 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Robin went to boarding school in the faster time realm?

Where Madam Mim has replaced the Black Fairy as the dean.

[Watt]

I might be the only one doesn't care about who has aged or hasn't. They just a) want them all attractive, and b) don't want to spend money on special makeup and prosthetics. It's whatever.

[Camera One]

Including next week, three episodes in a row featuring Ivy heavily.  I wonder if the Writers realized that she was clicking more than Victoria as a villain, or if it was actually in their plans to have her practically invisible in the first three episodes and then start using her.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

It would have been too early to react to any Ivy feedback, unless they went off of test screenings or something. I bet there's going to be a lot of damage control starting around the winter finale, since production around there started after the premiere.

[Shanna Marie]

35 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

It would have been too early to react to any Ivy feedback, unless they went off of test screenings or something.

I know it's unlikely, but could it be that even they were able to tell the difference in chemistry and energy levels either on the set, in dailies, or in the editing room and adjusted accordingly? It might even be subconscious rather than planned -- without realizing or thinking about it consciously, they responded on some level to what they saw and began shifting the writing to the character they responded to.

[Rumsy4]

Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Sneak Peek (X).

Lbr, Henry. You never had anything going with Murderella. 

Lucy's going to place a curse on herself? 

I may skip this episode.

[KingOfHearts]

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Lbr, Henry. You never had anything going with Murderella. 

It would just make Jacinda look even bitchier if she got mad about that.

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I may skip this episode.

Skipping a Regina centric?! Are you even a real fan?! (JK. :P)

So Roni owns a bar and doesn't do social media? No wonder she doesn't have many customers. Nobody questions a ten-year-old walking in there by herself? Who doesn't escort a child in urban Seattle?

Edited November 8, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

I think the social media comment might have been a dig from Eddy targeting Adam/fans.

[Camera One]

I don't understand how Lucy came to the conclusion that Roni was Regina from looking at the photo.  She mentions the book and says "I remember this scene!"  What scene?  Regina and Henry taking a picture together?   So the only illustration in Henry's book is Emma?  

Maybe it will make sense within the episode, but why would Ivy tell Lucy about this photo and grandma's hiding place?

Henry is so dumb.  Did he not notice Ivy taking photos?  

Edited November 9, 2017 by Camera One

[Noneofyourbusiness]

6 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Lbr, Henry. You never had anything going with Murderella. 

Lucy's going to place a curse on herself? 

I may skip this episode.

Maybe she's going to retrieve Regina and Henry's adoption records. We saw a quick image of them in the promo.

[KingOfHearts]

So if Regina and Henry's adoption records still exist, how was that not an issue during the Missing Year? I thought we all assumed all evidence just got deleted.

[Camera One]

7 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

I may skip this episode.

Join us.  If we all watch, it dilutes the effects of the Bad Writing Curse.

[Rumsy4]

8 hours ago, Camera One said:

Join us.  If we all watch, it dilutes the effects of the Bad Writing Curse.

You do make a compelling case. Especially if it makes me fall asleep during the episode. :-)

[Noneofyourbusiness]

8 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

So if Regina and Henry's adoption records still exist, how was that not an issue during the Missing Year? I thought we all assumed all evidence just got deleted.

Why would it be an issue? Someone would have to dredge them up, otherwise they're just sitting in a file in Boston.

[SilverShadow]

Presumably Regina's spell simply added records for Henry Swan, Emma Swan's child that she kept, but didn't necessarily erase the records for Henry Mills' closed adoption?

I'm for anything that includes more Ivy. 

[Shanna Marie]

On 11/7/2017 at 10:12 PM, Watt said:

I might be the only one doesn't care about who has aged or hasn't. They just a) want them all attractive, and b) don't want to spend money on special makeup and prosthetics. It's whatever.

Under other circumstances, it wouldn't bother me. I don't mind on Poldark, where the kids age but the parents don't seem to (because they keep recasting the children as they grow up and the show spans more years than are passing for us in real time) because they're staying in one timeline, the kids seem to be aging consistently on the same schedule with each other, and we're still dealing with adults and children. We aren't yet at the point where the children are fully grown and played by actors the same age as the parent actors. But it gets weird on this show because it's already a plot point that some characters were frozen in time and others weren't, so that Emma is the same age as her parents and Regina didn't age for the first ten years of Henry's life. Now we apparently have Robin being a teenager, when she's actually older than Gideon, who was grown and away from home right at the point when Rumple entered the world where Henry was in (maybe?) his early 20s, but Henry was 14 when Gideon was born. And meanwhile, Regina doesn't seem to have aged between the time Henry left home as a teenager and the time Henry is a 30-something adult with a ten-year-old (or so) daughter. Is that because they don't want to bother with aging makeup and wigs to show Regina in her 50s or is it because of something magical? Regina will now have a teenage niece who was born when Henry was 13, but Regina is only a few years older than she was when the niece was born. Sometimes the wonky ages are intentional, like with Emma and her parents or with Hook being about 200 but looking Emma's age (Colin's actually younger than JMo). When the wonky ages are sometimes part of the plot, you can't really get away so easily with not bothering to address the issue of some characters aging and growing up and other characters not. It gets even crazier when Henry left home as a teenager in 2017 but the present-day stuff is set in 2017 and Henry is now all grown up and has a ten-year-old daughter, and Robin, who should maybe be a preschooler in 2017, is a teenager.

[Camera One]

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"[Roni and Henry] don't really understand where this photo came from and they go out on this hunt to see how it came about," Parrilla explains. "We learn a little bit more about Roni's background, too, and her back story and the things that she wanted and desired in her life that she didn't necessarily get."

Without a timeline, it's hard to care about Roni's background.  As far as we know, she could have been Roni for two days when Henry came to Hyperion Heights.  

[Noneofyourbusiness]

14 hours ago, SilverShadow said:

Presumably Regina's spell simply added records for Henry Swan, Emma Swan's child that she kept

I'm not sure even that would be necessary. Are people going to ask to see his records?

[KAOS Agent]

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Without a timeline, it's hard to care about Roni's background.  

Why would a timeline even matter? Roni doesn't exist. Her backstory is all made up via the curse. Nothing about her is real, so her story is really not important at all. Plus, this curse is gonna break very soon, so it's all moot.

[Camera One]

In the original Curse, we cared because they had been living this hell for 28 years, so it does make some difference how long Roni has been feeling this way.  I do agree that it's impossible to care about her backstory, since it's all fake.  The Writers are not even making an effort to show any of the characters in any real distress over their fake memories.  We've hardly seen Henry looking sad about losing his fake wife and daughter, for example.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

10 hours ago, Camera One said:

In the original Curse, we cared because they had been living this hell for 28 years, so it does make some difference how long Roni has been feeling this way.  I do agree that it's impossible to care about her backstory, since it's all fake.  The Writers are not even making an effort to show any of the characters in any real distress over their fake memories.  We've hardly seen Henry looking sad about losing his fake wife and daughter, for example.

Doesn't look like Weaver and WHook were any worse off pre-curse, either.

[Mitch]

12 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

I'm not sure even that would be necessary. Are people going to ask to see his records?

Yea, when he goes to school..doctor, etc. If not the adoption records he needs a social security number. I am willing to suspend disbelief, but the audience already did that by going with Snow White and the Evil Queen being real people and in our world. The writers need to respect that by being as "realistic" as they can with the details, especially our world..(it reminds me, when Rump sent Belle out to see the world..my partner doesn't even watch the show (its crap he says, and for once, I cant argue, even as I watch ) but he saw that and said..."Does she even have a SSN? How is she going to get a job? Where is her money coming from???!)

[Rumsy4]

49 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

EW Spoiler Room on Zelena's Return

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“It’s about the strength of the sisters. That relationship becomes front and center and entirely important

Oh, joy!