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So much for all the secrecy regarding Rumple's identity. The OUAT Facebook page just posted a short clip saying, "Detectives Rogers and Weaver seem to make quite the pair." It's just an officer telling Rogers, "Meet your new partner," then Weaver shaking Rogers' hand and saying, "Pleasure, Detective. We'll do great work together." The soundtrack seems to imply this is some big!shocking!reveal. This show cracks me up in all the wrong ways.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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I have seen a couple of clips with original recipe Henry.  They now have the opposite problem -- before 14-15 year old Jared often looked to old for how they were writing him as if was still 12.  Now - while still looking 15 -- they are trying to make it seem like it makes sense that it is time for him to find his own adventure and leave his family when he comes across as someone not happy he has geometry homework and cannot go out and see a movie.

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Whiny Henry is whiny as usual in that ET clip. And what, Emma can't call Killian Henry's step-father?? Jeez, these writers find new ways to downplay CS! 

38 minutes ago, CCTC said:

Now - while still looking 15 -- they are trying to make it seem like it makes sense that it is time for him to find his own adventure and leave his family

Maybe they should have stuck a light beard onto Jared--although that might have made him look creepy. lol

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12 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Whiny Henry is whiny as usual in that ET clip. And what, Emma can't call Killian Henry's step-father?? Jeez, these writers find new ways to downplay CS! 

Maybe they should have stuck a light beard onto Jared--although that might have made him look creepy. lol

Actually I wouldn't say it's downplaying it moreso it's honoring the title of the episode. A Pirate's Life.

Emma and Killian are clearly going to be having a baby though. That sneak peek was 100% foreshadowing.

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Rumsy4

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15 minutes ago, cappoe said:

Emma and Killian are clearly going to be having a baby though. That sneak peek was 100% foreshadowing.

It seems so...

ETA: That empty message in a bottle must be what we saw in that spoiler picture with Hook holding a bottle. Some of us had theorized that it might be a potion or something. I bet they'll zoom in on Officer Rogers staring at the bottle and wondering what he was missing all through the season. 

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Kktjones

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24 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

ETA: That empty message in a bottle must be what we saw in that spoiler picture with Hook holding a bottle. Some of us had theorized that it might be a potion or something. I bet they'll zoom in on Officer Rogers staring at the bottle and wondering what he was missing all through the season. 

Yeah, I think the bottle will definitely come into play at some point. However, in the spoiler pics of Hook in the forest (when he's there with Emma and adult Henry) he's holding a chess piece (rook). I'm not a chess player, but some have mentioned that this may be foreshadowing some sort of "split" where one Hook goes home with Emma and one moves on with Henry.

And I also thought it was glaring that Emma didn't call him Henry's step-father, but these writers are so heavy-handed it obviously has something to do with the title of the episode...

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Curio

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1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

Whiny Henry is whiny as usual in that ET clip.

 

Seriously, the new season hasn't even started and we have to bust out "shut up, Henry" already.

I've been gone for a while, but I had to laugh at the PR team releasing a sneak peek for an episode two weeks away. They must have a lot of faith in the premiere...

That Emma sneak peek is way too bittersweet to watch. It's giving me happy OUAT feelings I didn't think were possible at this point, but at the same time, I have to sit through a fustercluck of a new season that won't be anything like that clip.

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That Emma sneak peek is way too bittersweet to watch. It's giving me happy OUAT feelings I didn't think were possible at this point, but at the same time, I have to sit through a fustercluck of a new season that won't be anything like that clip.

I don't mean to be that person, but I can already see the damage control from here. The writers are going to go to great lengths to assure us Captain Swan has their happy ending. Emma and Hook will practically be looking at the camera, saying, "We have our happy ending... forever. No matter what happens." It's going to be very meta since there's no feasible way to have Hook angsty for the rest of the season while assuring fans he's perfectly happy with offscreen-goodbye-forever Emma.

When I watched that sneak peek, they were obviously trying to conceal the fact Henry was swordfighting Hook. I kept saying in my head, "It's Henry. It's Henry. It's Henry!" You think you're clever, show, but you're really not. When Lost did reveals that should have been obvious, at least it was to keep audiences on their toes. Here it just feels like the writers think we're idiots who can't figure anything out. It's like they're playing peek-a-boo and thinking we'll be surprised every time.

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13 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Whiny Henry is whiny as usual in that ET clip. And what, Emma can't call Killian Henry's step-father?? Jeez, these writers find new ways to downplay CS

They're probably waiting to use the word "step" until Henry introduces him to Cinderella. Can't you picture it?

C: Ahhh! A guy with a hook! *brandished weapon*

H: Don't worry. That's just my STEP-dad.

C: *brandished weapon more aggressively*

 

In other news, Killian has A Message In A Bottle, and then is cursed to join The Police.

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I'll show  myself out now.

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20 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I don't mean to be that person, but I can already see the damage control from here. The writers are going to go to great lengths to assure us Captain Swan has their happy ending. Emma and Hook will practically be looking at the camera, saying, "We have our happy ending... forever. No matter what happens." It's going to be very meta since there's no feasible way to have Hook angsty for the rest of the season while assuring fans he's perfectly happy with offscreen-goodbye-forever Emma.

I just watched the Sneak Peek.  Yeah, they're practically speaking to the audience with Killian telling Emma that "It's not an ending."  

As usual, the character motivations come out of nowhere.  Henry is happily sword fighting and then "I'll never be good enough!" and then sulk.  Of course, one badly written scene with the original actor, and that provides motivation for the adult incarnation, eh?  Maybe it was what Jared was wearing, but he looked much younger than 18 in that pirate ship scene.

In an interview, Lana says that Regina hadn't seen Henry for 6 years.  They've made him into a total jerk.  Emma never got to see him for the first 10 years of his life, and he goes and disappears for that many years at a time?   At least they do have Emma expressing how hard it is to let Henry go.  From Henry's perspective, it's not like he a normal childhood.  He was deprived of his mother and maternal grandparents for the first half of his life.  So it's less likely that he would be craving to leave forever and not come back to visit as often as he can.

Now, it's time to find a voice double for Jennifer Morrison and the ending of Episode 2 can be Emma dumping a shipping crate full of message in a bottles for Hook and Henry to open every episode until the show is cancelled.

You know, A&E were smart to leave Emma for the second episode.  If people weren't hooked by Episode 1, at least they'd tune in for Emma's return and maybe seeing Cinders, Lady Tremaine and Co. for a second hour would make them more endearing.  

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24 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Henry is happily sword fighting and then "I'll never be good enough!" and then sulk. 

Yeah, the sulk seems odd when he only barely lost to someone who still has a few inches of reach on him and more than a century more experience swordfighting. I'll bet this scene is going to set up adult Henry being a brilliant swordsman, since he has all that training from his stepfather.

26 minutes ago, Camera One said:

They've made him into a total jerk.  Emma never got to see him for the first 10 years of his life, and he goes and disappears for that many years at a time?

Especially when it's all because he wants to be featured in a magical storybook. I don't think anyone would have a problem with him going off to college and living in another city where he could come home for visits. If he wants to do good and make a difference, there are plenty of ways he could do that in our world. He could join the Peace Corps, become a doctor, cop, firefighter, paramedic, etc., be a social worker, even join the military. But apparently what he wants is to be called a hero and to get written up by some other author in a different world's storybook, and given what his family's been through and all their separations, him going off to another world where he'll be entirely separated from his family just so he can get fame and glory seems very selfish.

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From the Hollywood Reporter Interview yesterday:

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Kitsis: Our introduction into Lady Tremaine is her killing the Fairy Godmother from Cinderella, so I'd say, right now, she is pretty evil, but on the show, evil is never born, it's made. 

Yeah, we know.  At some point we're going to ignore that she murdered a helpless old lady.  Did he forget Cruella?  

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Kitsis: Yes, and it appears to me — and I only write the show — but it appears that she seems to really want her mother's approval and can't seem to get it, so we know that makes you a dangerous character.

As usual, speaking as if he were an observer looking from the outside.

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Kitsis: As far as Cinderella, for us, the model was [that] we always loved the friendship between Snow White and Little Red Riding Hood, and so you're going to see that Cinderella and Tiana are very close and they're good friends. Part of the show is always about how important friendship is and how we rely on friends sometimes when we don't have family.

You "loved" Snow and Red so much you ignored one of them until they quit the show and pretty much ignored the other one even though she was a main character.

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Kitsis: I don't know if people realize this, but Once Upon a Time is the very first time that Snow White ever had a weapon in her hand. So if we start the show with Snow White pulling a sword, we could not have Cinderella going to hope she just found a prince to marry.

Aren't we self-congratulatory.  I could write a story with Bambi holding a cross-bow but it doesn't make me a good writer.  As for Cinderella going to hope she just found a prince to marry, let's just say "The Price of Gold".

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We don't do damsels in distress, so what we wanted was [to find out] what about her immediately is going to announce that she's different, but something intriguing? She's going for a purpose, but it's a purpose that has a lot of pain behind it.

Yeah, so much pain, except it was a dumb lie that she fell for.

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Kitsis: We are going to jump around in time this year so that we can have the greatest hits of their epic love story.

I would be disappointed if it wasn't epic.  And it wasn't.

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[Lucy] believes, and she has faith that she's going to Parent Trap them. That's really what's going to go down. She, in true Disney fashion, is going to Parent Trap the hell out of those two.

That only works if the audience actually wants them together.

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Kitsis: What is so much fun is we saw the Wicked Witch pretend she had a cursed character for a little bit in season three as the nanny. This time she is truly under a curse when we meet her, and her introduction and what her cursed persona is is probably one of my favorite introductions on the show.

Then why didn't you introduce her from the get-go?  

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Kitsis: And we're exited to see her and Regina as sisters, which we've explored a little bit, but we're really excited to keep going on that storyline.

Just like you explored it in Season 6?

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Edward Kitsis: I think the thing with Rumple is he always presents one way, and then you find out he's got four layers beneath him.

We already saw all the layers, and they were polyester.

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9 minutes ago, Camera One said:

From the Hollywood Reporter Interview yesterday:

Yeah, we know.  At some point we're going to ignore that she murdered a helpless old lady.  Did he forget Cruella?  

Forget Cruella.  Did he forget that whole thing where that tree rejected Emma in utero because of her potential for evil and Snowing transferred it into Malificent's kid.

KingOfHearts

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Part of the show is always about how important friendship is and how we rely on friends sometimes when we don't have family.

But then it turns out your friends are your family. They're your cousin twice removed. It's this show, after all. Everyone is related.

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We don't do damsels in distress

Unless it's Rapunzel in a tower, Belle taken hostage, or Emma in S6.

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Then why didn't you introduce her from the get-go?  

So she's just been living in Hyperion Heights for the last six episodes and no one saw her? If the police station being right across from Roni's is any indication, it shouldn't be that big of a neighborhood.

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Horowitz: It's hard to say without spoiling, but what I can say to the fans is, "Take a deep breath, relax, it'll all be OK." You will understand in episode two what's going on, and we feel confident that we have figured out a way to preserve the happy ending that we've earned after six seasons of Once Upon a Time, but have launched this character in a new and fun chapter in their lives.

I'm sure everyone will be just as satisfied as they were with the Lost ending.

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Kitsis: And we're exited to see her and Regina as sisters, which we've explored a little bit, but we're really excited to keep going on that storyline.

So are Roni and Zoni sisters too?

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CCTC

7 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Kitsis: What is so much fun is we saw the Wicked Witch pretend she had a cursed character for a little bit in season three as the nanny. This time she is truly under a curse when we meet her, and her introduction and what her cursed persona is is probably one of my favorite introductions on the show.

So Zelina is in Hyperion  Heights and not appearing in flash back.  I wonder how many episodes she is going to be in - if it is one episode or back as a regular or semi-regular.

 

10 minutes ago, Camera One said:

We don't do damsels in distress

Except you had Belle become a very passive partner in an abusive relationship, you slowly made Emma a shell of herself so by the season 6 finale she was unable to save herself from thinking she was crazy and then barely fought before accepting defeat, Snow just wanted to be Mary Margaret and lost most of her personality and did not really have an identity outside of being part of Snowing, Zelina basically just held a baby for most of the season, and even Regina did not do much of consequence for the final battle.

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Horowitz: It's hard to say without spoiling, but what I can say to the fans is, "Take a deep breath, relax, it'll all be OK." You will understand in episode two what's going on, and we feel confident that we have figured out a way to preserve the happy ending that we've earned after six seasons of Once Upon a Time, but have launched this character in a new and fun chapter in their lives.

Their lives.  That freaks me the hell out.

When I watched the promo, I got the sense that the Hook on the ground could feel Emma.  It occurred to me that this might mean that Emma is gone/dead but somehow her soul magically merged with Hook instead of going into the light or whatever.  So she's gone and not to return as a guest star but they are still together.  Isn't this a happy ending.  Emma is still with Hook and when he dies they will be together for real.

I hate that idea.  And now they are talking about how they have launched Hook into a new chapter of Emma and Hook's lives.

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cappoe

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13 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Their lives.  That freaks me the hell out.

When I watched the promo, I got the sense that the Hook on the ground could feel Emma.  It occurred to me that this might mean that Emma is gone/dead but somehow her soul magically merged with Hook instead of going into the light or whatever.  So she's gone and not to return as a guest star but they are still together.  Isn't this a happy ending.  Emma is still with Hook and when he dies they will be together for real.

I hate that idea.  And now they are talking about how they have launched Hook into a new chapter of Emma and Hook's lives.

That's what you got? I agree with this theory from someone on Tumblr.

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So I’m thinking about the time travel explanation for the ‘clone theory’ idea that I’ve been seeing pop up since last night, and what if it’s that Future Hook has already been through whatever Hyperion Heights drama occurs and decides to travel back in time to be reunited with Emma, and that’s when he encounters Present Hook.

Then it’s Present Hook who goes off to help Henry, and Future Hook to gets to go back to Storybrooke and live out his Happy Ending with Emma, with hardly any time having passed since their separation and Hook not having missed out on anything (and so Emma won’t have to go through any potential family-expanding without him). 

That way, it’s still the same Hook, with a singular experience and memories of events, we’d just be seeing him at different points in his journey.

 “Both” would only exist at the same time during that meeting in the 7x02 promo, like during the season 3 finale where two versions of Hook were in the same place at once. They weren’t duplicates in that scenario; they were him just at two different points in his life.

Basically the thinking is: Henry asks his family for help → Hook goes to help Henry and gets cursed to Hyperion Heights somehow → Hook time travels to the past to be reunited with Emma (while meeting his past self along the way) → CS have their happy ending in Storybrooke

So essentially the rest of the season/series for Hook would be about showing how he got to that moment.

 

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I think that's the best theory yet, which fits with A&E's claims that there is nothing to worry about.  The only problem is it makes the whole Hyperion Heights drama a foregone conclusion.  I suppose that ultimately doesn't matter.  I wonder if A&E feels the need to placate/reassure Rumbelle fans in the same way.

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andromeda331

andromeda331

2 hours ago, Camera One said:

From the Hollywood Reporter Interview yesterday:

Yeah, we know.  At some point we're going to ignore that she murdered a helpless old lady.  Did he forget Cruella?  

As usual, speaking as if he were an observer looking from the outside.

You "loved" Snow and Red so much you ignored one of them until they quit the show and pretty much ignored the other one even though she was a main character.

Aren't we self-congratulatory.  I could write a story with Bambi holding a cross-bow but it doesn't make me a good writer.  As for Cinderella going to hope she just found a prince to marry, let's just say "The Price of Gold".

Yeah, so much pain, except it was a dumb lie that she fell for.

I would be disappointed if it wasn't epic.  And it wasn't.

That only works if the audience actually wants them together.

Then why didn't you introduce her from the get-go?  

Just like you explored it in Season 6?

We already saw all the layers, and they were polyester.

I loved all of your remarks but the last one was the best. 

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Serena

Serena

1 hour ago, rogvortex58 said:

That just opens up a whole debate about which Killian deserves to be with Emma more. Now I can kinda see it from FutureKillian’s POV since he’s already been through a lot. But poor PresentKillian is going to be separated from Emma for a long time.

According to the theory though, both Hooks would eventually get to be with Emma. Present!Hook would need to help Henry in Hyperion first, but then he'd be his turn... I guess?

Rumsy4

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13 hours ago, rogvortex58 said:

But poor PresentKillian is going to be separated from Emma for a long time.

Well it depends on how long the season lasts, and the curse breaks. Going by A&E's previous history, it should span about a week. At the most a month or two.  So, a two-month older and wiser Hook can travel back in time and rejoin Emma in the past. Future!Hook loops back to the past to rejoin Emma in Storybrooke after the Curse is presumably broken. Time-travelling Future!Hook encounters present-day Hook and forces him and Regina to be part of the Curse to prevent time-travel paradoxes. Don't ask me where Future!Hook found a time-portal. Maybe Zelena kindly obliged & cast one for him. I'm sure there are several spare True Love babies in HH. "Weaver" can spin another golden brain, and Hook's Hook will be the symbol of courage.

12 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

 

15 hours ago, Camera One said:

We already saw all the layers, and they were polyester.

I loved all of your remarks but the last one was the best. 

 

Definitely! Lol

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rogvortex58

rogvortex58

5 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Well it depends on how long the season lasts, and the curse breaks. Going by A&E's previous history, it should span about a week. At the most a month or two.  So, a two-month older and wiser Hook can travel back in time and rejoin Emma in the past. Future!Hook loops back to the past to rejoin Emma in Storybrooke after the Curse is presumably broken. Time-travelling Future!Hook encounters present-day Hook and forces him and Regina to be part of the Curse to prevent time-travel paradoxes. Don't ask me where Future!Hook found a time-portal. Maybe Zelena kindly obliged & cast one for him. I'm sure there are several spare True Love babies in HH. "Weaver" can spin another goldeb brain, and Hook's Hook will be the symbol of courage.

Except, if we’re talking timeline. Henry’s family comes to help him with his Cinderella problem before Lucy is even born.

That’s gotta be at least a good 10 years. Unless time moves differently in this new relalm.

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Lucy seems to be the same age from the last time we saw her in the Enchanted Forest.  So Hook, Regina and Rumple lived 10 years in the "New" Enchanted Forest Realm, and then they got caught up in the Hyperion Heights Curse, which has lasted for less than a year?  Was Cinderella on the run for 10 years?  Maybe it would have made more sense if Henry asked for  help when Lucy was 10 years old.  How long was supposed to have passed between Jared Henry leaving on his motorcycle and Andrew Henry's crash with Cinderella?  Lana said she hadn't seen Henry for 8 years.  So, how does the math work out?  We know that isn't A&E's strongest suit.  I suppose Hyperion Heights could be experiencing a time freeze where no one, including Lucy, ages, so the Curse could have gone on for a while, possibly.

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I think people may be right, and Alice is Rumple/Belle's second baby.  It would keep Rumple more "human" and explain why he is away from Belle and Gideon, while allowing him to be ruthless because he is stopping some sort of prophesy involving his precious daughter that is threatened by the Henry/Cinderella romance, which will force him to do what it takes while allowing him to make sadface once in a while.

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Digital Spy interview

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"To Rogers, Weaver is an esteemed detective to look up to and aspire to," Adam said. "When you see his look at the end, it's kind of starry-eyed. Like, 'I'm partnered with this guy, this is going to be cool!'"

Eddy, however, revealed there was more to the story and added: "As the season goes on, it seems to be that Weaver picked Rogers for a reason. We're telling everyone's favorite Disney fairy tale — Serpico."

Great, they're going to make Rogers an idiot?  I hope it won't be long before he gets suspicious.  I hate seeing Rumple manipulating people.  Weaver was bragging to the other cops about breaking someone's finger.  Sounds like he would be known around the office as an unethical braggart, not an "esteemed" detective..

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The creators also once again stressed that the happy endings we saw for Hook and Rumple at the end of season six won't be undone here.

"It's a show about hope, so to take away happy endings would be hateful," Eddy said. "It'd be mean."

The happy endings for BOTH Hook and Rumple?  Rumple deserved to have his happy ending taken away.  What was "mean" was what you did to the fairy godmother.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

29 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Great, they're going to make Rogers an idiot?  I hope it won't be long before he gets suspicious.  I hate seeing Rumple manipulating people.  Weaver was bragging to the other cops about breaking someone's finger.  Sounds like he would be known around the office as an unethical braggart, not an "esteemed" detective..

I kind of got the impression that all the cops other than Rogers were on the shady side, and thus the digs about him being an Eagle Scout. They know Weaver's dirty, but probably write it off because he gets results and esteem him as a detective because he gets results. Rogers is left out of it all because they know he wouldn't go along with it, so all he knows about it is that Weaver gets good results. I guess a lot of how it will work out depends on whether they actually know something about Serpico or have just heard the name and know it has something to do with busting dirty cops.

I have to say, this is the element I find most interesting, mostly because I like these two actors and how they work together, and putting them in this new situation means they get to play something different from the tired Hook and Rumple dynamics. I like the possibility of "Rogers" as the good cop trying to bring down the bad cops, but I hope Rumple doesn't get the upper hand, as always.

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Kktjones

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11 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I hope Rumple doesn't get the upper hand, as always.

Oh @Shanna Marie, I think you know better than to hope for Rumple to get his comeuppance (or even get bested by anyone) ;). If it hasn't happened in 6 seasons, I highly doubt it will happen here. A&E love their "complex" character too much to see him go down. So as much as I love both of these actors, I will be skipping through this entire storyline.

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When Killian shows the 'magic message bottle' to Emma he talks about saying the name of the pirate it is intended to reach...what if due to time moving differently/peculiarly in other realms or because something goes wrong, Henry's call for help results in the bottle going to a Hook in a different point in time other than the one Henry intended. If Emma goes looking for the message, and then our Kilian goes looking for his wife; that could be why 2 Hooks in one place and one of the Hooks says 'she's here...'

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Noneofyourbusiness

22 hours ago, rogvortex58 said:

Except, if we’re talking timeline. Henry’s family comes to help him with his Cinderella problem before Lucy is even born.

That’s gotta be at least a good 10 years. Unless time moves differently in this new relalm.

It does. The showrunners said so in an interview a week or two back.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

31 minutes ago, Souris said:

Could've even been a wig this time.

I suspect wig, since her hair looks so different, and her hair was short when they filmed this, so I doubt they'd try to do extensions from short hair. I don't know why they couldn't have just gone with the short cut, since time has passed, and a lot of women get their hair cut short after they get married.

9 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

So Emma is maybe preggo and there are 2 Hooks...

Yeah, the shot of them both holding their hands against her stomach does look like an "I'm pregnant" moment, or else him saying farewell to her and the unborn baby. But I'm not at all surprised, since that was about the only reason I could think of why Emma wouldn't have stuck with Hook in helping Henry.

The double Hooks thing is weird. They seem alarmed to see the second Hook, so it doesn't seem like they did something to split him so one could stay with Emma and the other go off with Henry. Future Hook coming back with a warning?

Back to the "Serpico" discussion, I kind of hope the writers don't dig deeper into that story than the superficial "good cop exposes bad cop" plot since Serpico got shot in the face. No, not the face!

19 hours ago, Kktjones said:

Oh @Shanna Marie, I think you know better than to hope for Rumple to get his comeuppance (or even get bested by anyone) ;).

I know. It'll be hard for Hook to come out ahead if Weaver has his memories and knows who he is. He won't be able to resist tormenting his old enemy while he's unaware of his situation (never mind the ending last season that had Rumple as part of the family, and that Hook is Rumple's grandson's stepfather, and is Belle's close friend). But then, as I mentioned in the episode thread, if Rumple knows who he is, why bother staying in Seattle instead of going to Storybrooke to be with his family and be where he has magic powers.

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