Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Mathius]

They might do another trinket since Anna has one that looks so much like it, but I agree. I'm looking forward to the latter part of the 4A when we dive into Snow Queen stuff and possibly the Sorcerer's Apprentice.

 

Does anyone know which episode the Knave is supposed to start appearing in?

"Rocky Road", the third episode. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he debuts in the end scene of this coming episode.

[sharky]

I hope they don't go with another trinket and the whole magic thing.  Been there, done that with Zelena.  I'm looking forward to some of these episodes actually (with verrrry lowered expectations that is).

I have a sneaking suspicion that we haven't seen the last of those yet. When Elsa picked up Anna's necklace in the shop, it looked like part of it was melted off on the side or had some kind of damage to it. I wonder what that is going to lead to.

[retrograde]

So a super powerful magic queen escaped the curse... but just really wanted to open an ice cream shop anyway?

[KingOfHearts]

 

So a super powerful magic queen escaped the curse... but just really wanted to open an ice cream shop anyway?

The ice cream shop is just part of the Curse 2. It sounds like a good cover to me. (Better than Zelena's!)

Edited October 3, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

I have a sneaking suspicion that we haven't seen the last of those yet. When Elsa picked up Anna's necklace in the shop, it looked like part of it was melted off on the side or had some kind of damage to it. I wonder what that is going to lead to.

 

I noticed the same thing.  Looked broken or something like that.  So is the snowflake the symbol of Arrendale?  I mean it can't just have to do with the Snow Queen since Elsa gave that necklace to Anna as her something new for her wedding.

 

I think the necklace means that Anna was pretty much taken with the curse along with everyone else.  I hope A&E don't overcomplicate things because they're really not that good at writing themselves out of it afterwards.

[kili]

I wonder if this door could potentially take them back to the Enchanted Forest so he can get the Jolly Roger back.

 

I was wondering if he traded the Jolly Roger to somebody in Arendelle. It is seafaring and beyond the purview of the curse. I half expect Kristoff to show up in Storybrooke with it (his adopted troll family having a cache of beans). Or Hans. I don't think we are done with his evilness. I wonder who will punch him this time. Elsa?

 

Part of what they've set up is that Kristoff has to prove himself to Elsa. Elsa was kind of doubtful about Anna's groom in the premiere, so having him ride the rescue or do something would close that loop. Of course, I was under the mistaken belief that there would be a pay-off for Emma needing to come to Storybrooke for the second curse and the attempted TLK, but I was obviously wrong about that too.  Apparently, you can show a gun in the first act and have it never be seen again.

Edited October 3, 2014 by kili

[Mari]

Of course, I was under the mistaken belief that there would be a pay-off for Emma needing to come to Storybrooke for the second curse and the attempted TLK, but I was obviously wrong about that too.  Apparently, you can show a gun in the first act and have it never be seen again.

There was a payoff.  Regina got Henry back.  Regina must be completely happy at al times, or she is forced against her will to contemplate murderous things.  The Charmings and their offspring are just collateral damage.  And occasionally thoughtless.

 

Going back a ways--is the current consensus theory that Henry most likely asks for his old memories back from Rumple because Regina's wallowing in her not completely happiness and ignoring him?

 

As for the necklace--it did seem like they were highlighting that, but you're right, they've highlighted things before and then simply . . . forgot about them.  Oops.  However, it's awfully glaring that the made a point of showing us how Anna got the necklace, Elsa noticing the necklace in Storybrooke, and the Snow Queen having a slightly bigger, plastickier version in the pictures.  That should have meaning beyond "Oh, look!  They are all from Arendelle."

[Jean]

Maybe the snowflake necklace is what allows the realm jumping in a loophole kind of way? As in it'll take you where you want or to who you want? Wasn't there a filming report that Anna was filming in front of a green screen portal in the woods or something?

[RadioGirl27]

Yep, it seems the Snow Queen is after Emma. Spoilers from EW:

How soon until we see Elizabeth Mitchell on Once Upon a Time? — Rene
You won’t have to wait much longer, but you may be surprised to hear that the Snow Queen isn’t necessarily focused on Elsa. “The Snow Queen definitely has her sights on Emma for a particular reasons,” Jennifer Morrison teases. Speaking of icy new characters, Ginnifer Goodwin reveals that Snow will share a connection with Elsa. “We do cross paths, and Elsa does provide some solace in some ways,” the actress says. “She and Snow are able to relate about some things down the line in the season that I found to be surprising and powerful.”

This tweet from Jennifer Morrison is also interesting.

Edited October 3, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[kili]

Elsa noticing the necklace in Storybrooke, and the Snow Queen having a slightly bigger, plastickier version in the pictures.  That should have meaning beyond "Oh, look!  They are all from Arendelle."

 

Maybe Anna's snowflake necklace belonged to the Snow Queen and she's really, really mad that somebody stole it (I suspect it was Eva - she is the root of all evil) forcing her to wear an ugly, plastic, unfashionable replica until she gets it back.  Elsa accidently purchased it from  a pawn shop and the Snow Queen found out. She urned Elsa for thoughtlessly purchasing the gift for her sister without thinking about the consquences (much like those feckless Charmings).  Then, she was on Anna's trail. Anna got swept up in curse 1, so the Snow Queen was forced to chase her to our world and got stuck wearing 80 clothes (don't think that improved her mood, any, because it did not). 

 

While waiting for the curse to break, the Snow Queen went from foster home to foster home threatening the adults to send Emma back to the orphanage or else (she would also break all of Emma's toys and throw slushees in her face). It wasn't the Snow Queen's fault - fate drove her to do this. Fate and some little 7 year old kid told her that it as a good idea if Emma was severely emotionally damaged.  She gave him $20,000 and some rare pokemon cards for giving her the intel.

 

For reasons (which will be left up to the viewer to imagine because it is not the writer's job to explain everything - sheesh), the Snow Queen did not introduce herself or reclaim the necklace during any of the events in the previous 3 seasons.  But, now she is conveniently here the moment that Elsa escapes from the urn. The Snow Queen runs an ice cream shop for reasons and because who doesn't want to own an ice cream shop (plus, "Any Given Sundae" is a great punny name for a shop on the show given that it airs on Sunday - they don't pay these writers enough). Her quest is to get back the necklace (for reasons, she did not go to Gold's shop to check for it herself or read the paper - who bothers reading that paper now that the best reporter mysteriously disappeared?). During her journey, she will punish everybody that has made her suffer. During the reveal of her tragic backstory, everybody will learn that Evil Eva is responsible for everything and even Emma will realize that it is only fair that she be punished for her Grandmother's actions. Snow and Emma will feel guilty - will nobody care about the Snow Queen's happy ending or will she be forced to murder random people for eternity?

 

In the climactic episode, Regina will develop some new, previously unknown magical power that will allow her to save the day and those worthless Charmings. The town won't be nearly grateful enough and Regina will return to her mansion to sob while listening to "All By Myself". Marian will see her through the window and look guilty.

Edited October 3, 2014 by kili

[Souris]

TVLine. I think the Belle ep is wrong; Ep 5 is the Emma (and Regina, of course) ep, right?:

 

Do you have any scoop on Once Upon a Time‘s Belle? The appearance of what appears to be The Sorcerer’s Hat from Fantasia has some worried that Rumplestiltskin may again keep secrets from her. –Natalie
Those “some” would be wise to worry. “Rumple certainly seemed to recognize the hat when he saw it. And he certainly seemed to think it was quite important,” cocreator Adam Horowitz teases. “What it is, and why he desires it become important to the story in the near future.” Now, if it cleans your palate any, Robert Carlyle promises that the Belle-centric Episode 5 should be a huge fan-pleaser: “Anyone that loves that [Rumbelle] relationship will really enjoy those scenes.”

 

While I love Once Upon a Time‘s Hook/Emma, do you have any scoop on what’s in-store for our favorite pirate this season outside of romance? I hear he has some conflict with the Knave. –Stef
You heard right. As Michael Socha says of his onetime Merry Man, “He’s a thief and a drunk, so he pisses a few people off” upon arriving in Storybrooke. “He gets locked up. He gets put in jail. He’s naughty. He’s always up to something.” As for the Knave/Hook dynamic, Colin O’Donoghue simply says: “It’s complicated. And I’m going to leave it at that.”

Edited October 3, 2014 by Souris

[Serena]

Yes. Belle's ep is 6.

[maryle]

The problem with Maleficient  in 4b it is another powerful evil witch and  it  is really becoming redundant now . I was hoping for a Greece mythology arc there so much they could do with that world. The evil witch sound previsible and overdone already at this point and some people believe that season will be about Cinderella so another woman as a Big Bad with a similar story.  I really hope they are wrong and it will be more original than that.

[Souris]

They probably wanted to go ahead and wrap up the actress before she got another gig, so I can't fault them too much for that. Even if it is rather repetitive.

[retrograde]

Does anyone with better understanding of the timeline and OuaT Wonderland know if it's possible for Hook and the Knave to have met there?

[kili]

Does anyone with better understanding of the timeline and OuaT Wonderland know if it's possible for Hook and the Knave to have met there?

 

The Knave went to Wonderland from Storybrooke shortly after the wraith attack on Storybrooke (the town was still damaged from the attack). This is after the curse broke and about the time that Snow/Emma meet Hook in the Enchanted Forrest.

 

Hook is pretty much accounted for until the missing year. We don't know what he did during large parts of the missing year. I don't know where the Knave was prior to being taken by the first curse, so I suppose they could have met in the Enchanted Forrest prior to the curse (Hook got back from Neverland a year or two before then).

[myril]

Sometimes feels like coming into Storybrooke's Little Shop of Horrors when going into this thread. Some spectacular awful story ideas cooked up here at times based on the spoiler we have. LOL

 

The problem with Maleficient  in 4b it is another powerful evil witch and  it  is really becoming redundant now . I was hoping for a Greece mythology arc there so much they could do with that world. The evil witch sound previsible and overdone already at this point and some people believe that season will be about Cinderella so another woman as a Big Bad with a similar story.  I really hope they are wrong and it will be more original than that.

 

In the original stories Sleeping Beauty is cursed by a fairy. In the animated Disney movie it is not stated either way I think, in the recent live-action movie she was a fairy. Some are already speculating, that OUaT Maleficent could be the Dark Fairy which was mentioned several times by now on the show. It was my first thought way back in season 1, when Snow first time talked about dark fairy dust she got. Agree, another witch story could be repetitive, but think Maleficent is no witch on OUaT either.

Edited October 3, 2014 by katusch

[Souris]

The Knave went to Wonderland from Storybrooke shortly after the wraith attack on Storybrooke (the town was still damaged from the attack). This is after the curse broke and about the time that Snow/Emma meet Hook in the Enchanted Forrest.

 

Hook is pretty much accounted for until the missing year. We don't know what he did during large parts of the missing year. I don't know where the Knave was prior to being taken by the first curse, so I suppose they could have met in the Enchanted Forrest prior to the curse (Hook got back from Neverland a year or two before then).

 

Will was in Wonderland for a time before the curse. He and Anastasia were in the Enchanted Forest, then they went to Wonderland. After about a year, IIRC, Will left (after Cora ripped out his heart) and Ana stayed. This was still pre-curse, as Cora was gallivanting around Wonderland. At some point, Will ended up in Storybrooke; I am uncertain if he was brought over with the first curse or if the Rabbit transported him. The Rabbit came to get him shortly after the wraith attack.

 

Depending on the timing, it's possible that Will and Hook could have met up either in the EF or Wonderland during the period between Hook getting off Neverland and the first curse being enacted.

[YaddaYadda]

Did they do Will's backstory in Wonderland?  His origins?  I know some have said he has a sister who drowned and he was part of the Merry Men and was banished by Robin (?)  Is there anything else aside from that?

 

Hook's backstory is pretty much still a blank slate as far as I'm concerned personally.

[Souris]

Captain Charming script tease.

 

Did they do Will's backstory in Wonderland?  His origins?  I know some have said he has a sister who drowned and he was part of the Merry Men and was banished by Robin (?)  Is there anything else aside from that?

 

Very little about Will's backstory. About all we know apart from the sister thing is that he was poor and not kindly looked upon by Anastasia's mother (Cinderella's stepmother).

Edited October 3, 2014 by Souris

[Serena]

I'm very glad to see that once in a while, they stop taking their cues from Regina fanfiction and start using Captain Swan fanfiction. Much more entertaining for me.

[scenicbyway]

Thinking about the Snow Queen.  I could buy that she's one of Emma's foster mothers who, perhaps, just disappeared one day and that's how Emma was sent back to the orphanage one of the many times.  Perhaps the Queen is banished from Arendelle or, decides to leave.  My question is though, is, why would Elsa's parents be headed to Mist Haven if they knew about Elsa's aunt's powers unless they thought she was there.  Wouldn't a letter have been easier? 

 

"Dear Snow Queen Sister,

It appears that your niece Elsa also possesses the same powers that you have.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated (we don't want to banish her).

Love,

Your Sister, Queen of Arendelle"

 

I'm guessing that we'll find out that Emma did magic as a child and that's what has surprised Jen.  There's been no hints beyond Henry's birth that Emma had magic prior to Storybrooke.  I suspect it's been added in this season for the connection to Elsa and the Snow Queen.

 

At this point, I'm not so excited about the new Rumple/hat storyline.  I suppose the hat will make the dagger pointless so it won't matter if Belle carries it around in her purse.  I would hope she'd question Rumple's new hat though.  Knowing her, she'll buy one just like it, make a tiny dress out of it and wear it with really high heels.

 

As for the Knave, I don't care about this character either, I didn't watch Wonderland, but I get the gist of his story.  If we've already seen him with his True Love, is he just going to be wreaking havoc on the town until he finds his way back to her?  If this is just comic relief to distract away from Hook and Emma, I'll be ticked.  I don't think they are setting up a triangle but we know he interrupts their first date and Hook ends up passed out on a bench by the docks (which can't be good).

 

Has anyone worked out a timeline for the Arendelle/Enchanted Forest yet?  We know Anna meets rocker Charming which must be a few years before he and Snow meet.  Elsa ends up in the jar while Anna's away (my guess would be that's Hans' doing since we've seen a photo with him holding the urn).  Rumple ends up with possession of the urn, but Elsa doesn't seem to recognize him in the newspaper clipping which means he may never have opened it.  Anna's missing, but her necklace is in Gold's shop, which means she was swept up in the latest curse.

 

I also thought it was strange that at the beginning of the episode they list the barn scene as "Our World" "Present Day" does that mean it's really Oct.14?  Because Frozen should be well known at that point.

[Serena]

The Arendelle stuff goes from a few years before Snowing met, to the events of Snow Falls (so basically - the week of their first meeting). Anna has her adventure with pre-106!Charming, then she continues with her adventure. A few (I'm thinking - two?) years after that, Elsa is already urned (and gets released). 

[Mathius]

Did they do Will's backstory in Wonderland?  His origins?  I know some have said he has a sister who drowned and he was part of the Merry Men and was banished by Robin (?)  Is there anything else aside from that?

That's it, and the sister thing was so obviously added for a comparison to Alice and thus to stop people from shipping her and Will together, since their relationship being strictly platonic was always a huge point of it. So really, only the Merry Men thing matters and will be a focus.

[Souris]

Clearly Josh is their designated interview subject this week.

 

Another one.

 

Charming and Hook are gonna bromance it out to save Emma! Was there any doubt?

[Jean]

 

I also thought it was strange that at the beginning of the episode they list the barn scene as "Our World" "Present Day

I think they meant "present day" for the characters (and the newbie watchers), not for us in real time. They already said that the show is before the Frozen movie was released, code for we are full of BS and don't want to deal with stuff like that.

 

I'm guessing it was Hans and/or Snow Queen that urned Elsa and they traded her away with Rumple in return for something.

 

I really like EM so I'm hoping they give her something more nuanced and complicated to do with Emma than just "I'm a villain and was your victim" but that's like wishing for the moon right? I wonder how much input did Disney have with her character, since they are making her Anna and Elsa's aunt and presumably will impact them. Going from the episode titles I'm guessing that teen Emma broke the Snow Queen's mirror and maybe trapped her here in our world? Or breaking her mirror hurt her or someone she loved and voila we get the usual Once story.

[YaddaYadda]

I find myself very excited about Sunday now.  Hook and David together, just bring it!

[kili]

I'm guessing it was Hans and/or Snow Queen that urned Elsa and they traded her away with Rumple in return for something.

 

Why would Rumple want an urn he won't even keep in his house? I now have visions of the letters on that urn reading "I made Hans a king and all I got was this lousy Urn".  Unless Hans gave Rumple the urn for safe-keeping and he had to pay some kind of fee for that (like paying somebody to take your toxic waste).

 

I was wondering if the snowflake necklaces were a family thing and each of the sisters (Snow Queen, Queen of Arendelle and their less distinguised sister) got one and Elsa was giving her Mom's to Anna, but Elsa said that the necklace was the "Something New". Maybe its a family tradition.

 

Why are there three sisters? Snow Queen and Queen of Arendelle make sense. Does the third have any purpose or she just there to make things seem more "realistic" (not all sisters can become queens).

[stealinghome]

I now have visions of the letters on that urn reading "I made Hans a king and all I got was this lousy Urn".

rofl!

 

"David and Hook bromancing to the rescue" will never ever not make me laugh.

[Serena]

Emma is filming in the forest with the bug.

[Rumsy4]

Script Tease from Adam. Haha--you tell him, Hook!

 

ETA: Sorry Souris. Didn't notice you had posted.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Rumsy4

[wingster55]

Very little about Will's backstory. About all we know apart from the sister thing is that he was poor and not kindly looked upon by Anastasia's mother (Cinderella's stepmother).

 

Wait...what?

[pezgirl7]

Another interview with Josh:

http://www.hitfix.com/news/once-upon-a-times-josh-dallas-hints-at-his-season-4-story-arconce-upon-a-times-josh-dallas-hints-at-his-season-4-story-arc

I would totally watch True Detectives of the Enchanted Forest with Charming and Hook. :)

[Shanna Marie]

Wait...what?

Very brief recap of what we know about Will Scarlet/The Knave from the Wonderland spinoff (based on my admittedly hazy memories -- feel free to correct details I got wrong):

 

He and Anastasia, one of Cinderella's stepsisters, were in love, and it seemed to be after Cinderella's wedding because her mother was still trying to social climb via her daughters and seemed irked that she wasn't able to ride Cinderella's coattails. She wanted more for Ana than Will, who was poor, and warned Ana that she wouldn't be happy poor. Around this time, Will was a part of Robin Hood's gang and encouraged the gang to rob Maleficent's castle. What he was really after was a mirror that allowed realm jumping, so he and Ana could head to Wonderland and escape her mother. They got the mirror and got away, and as I recall things didn't go quite so well for Robin and the others, so they were irked with him. Ana's mother turned out to be right that she didn't like being poor, and Wonderland wasn't quite as wonderful as they'd hoped. She stole a dress to sneak into a royal ball (I think it was on a potential job to rob the palace) but ended up enchanting the king (the non-magical way), who wanted to marry her. She ended up ditching Will to marry the king and become the Red Queen. Somewhere in there, Cora, the Queen of Hearts, started teaching her magic. Cora also interfered to make sure Ana wasn't tempted to go back to Will, making it look like he wasn't interested in her while making it look to him like she wasn't interested in him. To "help" him with his broken heart, Cora ripped his heart out and used it to control him, so he became the Knave of Hearts. Then Alice, returning to Wonderland as an adult to find proof to show her father that it was real, met him and helped him steal his heart back, but he didn't put it back in his body. Sometime after this, he seemed to have been caught in the first curse because he was living in Storybrooke and even had an apartment there when the White Rabbit came to get him soon after the curse broke. Then there was all the stuff that happened in the present part of the story, which included Alice and her lover, the former genie Cyrus, going to Storybrooke (before the curse reverse?) to retrieve the heart he still had stashed there and getting fascinated with things like light switches and refrigerators with ice makers. As of the end of the series, Ana saw the error of her ways and decided she wanted love more than power and wealth, Will got his heart back, and they all lived happily ever after until whatever happens that leads to Will coming to Storybrooke.

 

ETA: Okay, just reading that, it sounds like somebody has to be on drugs. I swear, it's not me. Just try describing anything related to this series without sounding utterly insane.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Shanna Marie

[stealinghome]

If the show did a webseries "True Detectives of Storybrooke" with Charming, Emma, and Hook, I would be so there for that. It's the new Good Morning Storybrooke!

 

I want to know how the show is going to handwave Elsa being in Rumpel's urn 30+ years ago, and yet also in Arendelle 5 years ago. (Also: does that work with the timeline we've established, that Anna met Charming five years ago? If it does, she must have met him basically right before 1x06. Because isn't Roland 5 now, and didn't we figure that he was born right around the time Snow and Charming met?)

Edited October 4, 2014 by stealinghome

[Shanna Marie]

I want to know how the show is going to handwave Elsa being in Rumpel's urn 30+ years ago, and yet also in Arendelle 5 years ago.

I thought the caption said "five years later" when picking up the pre-wedding stuff with Elsa and Anna -- as in, the first scene of Elsa and Anna was five years after that first scene of the shipwreck. Was there another caption for another scene showing something different?

[stealinghome]

Oh, was it after the shipwreck? Maybe I'm wrong then. I thought that scene came after a Storybrooke scene, but maybe not.

 

Though then I want to know how poor Kristoff won't have aged, since I doubt he was urned!

[Shanna Marie]

Though then I want to know how poor Kristoff won't have aged, since I doubt he was urned!

He was safely in the ZelenaDome, not to be confused with the CoraDome. Or possibly in some other protective dome.

 

Basically, everyone we run into will have been caught up by the curse, somehow, unless they want it to be a plot point that they've aged out of sync. I'm actually surprised they haven't done that for anyone other than Emma and her parents. How could they resist the potential drama?

 

I suppose it's possible that Kristoff was in Storybrooke for curse 1 but escaped curse 2. David spent most of curse 1 in a coma, then was either busy or gone most of the time after the curse broke, so there's a good chance he didn't meet most of Storybrooke during that time. The spoilers just say David knew Anna. He might never have met Kristoff before the curse and wouldn't have had any reason to know him. It doesn't seem like Anna ever made it back home, so Kristoff wouldn't have heard of David.

[wingster55]

He and Anastasia, one of Cinderella's stepsisters, were in love, and it seemed to be after Cinderella's wedding because her mother was still trying to social climb via her daughters and seemed irked that she wasn't able to ride Cinderella's coattails.

 

So it was confirmed that Anastasia was a stepsister? I always thought that was fanon...

[KAOS Agent]

You know what I love about all of these interviews with Josh Dallas? There is often zero mention of Regina. Even when he talks about not giving up on those you love being the theme, he lists tons of pairings none of which include Regina. It's like Josh is the anti-A&E. Plus, he remembers past plot points that haven't been addressed.

[kili]

He was safely in the ZelenaDome, not to be confused with the CoraDome. Or possibly in some other protective dome.

 

Since he's from Arendelle, his future Sister-in-Law is Elsa and his future Aunt-in-law is the Snow Queen, I feel certain that he avoided the curse and aging in the SnowGlobe.

[SilverShadow]

So it was confirmed that Anastasia was a stepsister? I always thought that was fanon...

There were two lines. One where Ana's mom mentions her "sisters" and when someone says something like "And the prince fell in love with Cinderella at the ball instead of you." Plus Ashley/Ella had a cameo in Wonderland's pilot (and it was wrapped around a previously filmed section from the shorter version to include her), and Ana has the same name as the stepsister who turns good in the sequels. And FYI Cinderella 2 is pretty much trash except for parts of the Anastasia love story section, but 3 is a surprisingly fun time travel tale. The Prince's interactions with the mice alone (RIP Gus Gus) are worth the watch. 

[InsertWordHere]

 

Why are there three sisters? Snow Queen and Queen of Arendelle make sense. Does the third have any purpose or she just there to make things seem more "realistic" (not all sisters can become queens).

I still think that Princess Eva from the Northern Kingdom is the third sister. They did not cast the younger version of one sister, right? Either two sisters married kings and Snow Queen was jealous (ugh, Zelena retread) or Elsa/Anna's mother was the elder sister and heir to the throne of Arendelle.

 

So it was confirmed that Anastasia was a stepsister? I always thought that was fanon...

It was never 100% confirmed, but all evidence points towards this being the case. The Jaberwocky taunted Ana about a stepsister who married a prince and how disappointed Ana's mother was that Ana did not do the same.

 

Speaking of that taunt, it places Will and Ana's trip to Wonderland as after Ella's marriage. Snow and Charming were already married when they went to Ella's ball, which I assume was not long after the Ella/Thomas marriage. Since 3.21 told us that Hook was in the EF for quite some time before that, there's plenty of time for a thief and a pirate to have crossed paths. This also means that Marian was probably long gone when Will was with the Merry Men, although I don't believe that Roland was mentioned in the OUaT in Wonderland flashbacks.

[kitticup]

We also don't know how long Hook was in Wonderland.  How long did it take him to find Cora?  Did Cora want to leave immediately?  Did she and Hook hang out in Wonderland for a while so that Cora could get tie up /down a few things before she left?  Who knows?  I doubt the writers do.  It depends on what plot they want to follow.

 

Now that we know Hook was in EF for some time before the curse, he could have a relationship with  Maleficient.  Maybe Mal told him that Regina was holding Belle.  There are endless possibilities for Hook.  Sadly, the writers are willing to sacrifice Hook's back story to give us more Rumple.  I am still very bitter that the Neverland arc basically had very little about Hook, even though that is his fairytale, so we could get Papa Pan.

[patchwork]

Elsa or the Snow Queen probably froze Arendelle including it's citizens so it's all there waiting for the sisters to resume their lives. I'm guessing Anna was in the CoraDome when the first curse hit but was either swept up with the 2.0 or she's going to be found and rescued by Elsa later this season. 

 

I'm quite attached to the fanon that the queen in Tangled is related to the king in Frozen but that's unlikely for OUAT. 

 

By this point in the Knave's timeline isn't he the White King of Wonderland, why is he in Storybrooke being a drunken lout?

Edited October 4, 2014 by patchwork

[Serena]

We don't know if Will is the White King yet. We know he is when Alice's daughter is already, I don't know... 6 years old? So that would be something far off into the future. 

[YaddaYadda]

I find some of the spoilers interesting, like the one with Mary Margaret and Elsa.  I wonder how close Elsa will get to everyone, but I guess she might be able to articulate better the way Emma feels about things (because Emma is not really allowed to speak to her mother about her feelings).   

 

Also thought the talk (which was just talk) with JMo about a love scene was interesting and I'm surprised heads haven't exploded over that.

 

If Ava turns out to be the 3rd sister (which I have my doubts about), that will make Elsa and Snow cousins, Elsa and Emma 2nd cousins....

Edited October 4, 2014 by YaddaYadda

[RadioGirl27]

Also thought the talk (which was just talk) with JMo about a love scene was interesting and I'm surprised heads haven't exploded over that.

 You don't visit Tumblr, do you?

 

 

If Ava turns out to be the 3rd sister (which I have my doubts about), that will make Elsa and Snow cousins, Elsa and Emma 2nd cousins....

That would be too much even for this show. So they are probably going there. The Snow Queen wants revenge over her sisters' daugthers and granddaughter, because Ava and Elsa's mom stole her toys.

[Serena]

I'm pretty sure the three sisters are the Snow Queen (which I think will be played by EM in the flashbacks anyway, even though she's supposed to be younger), Elsa's mother we saw in 401, and the third sister that they cast. 

[YaddaYadda]

You don't visit Tumblr, do you?

 

Nope, I don't.  I'm not a social media kinda gal ;)