Small Talk: The Prayer Closet

[AstridM]

1 minute ago, CalicoKitty said:

I don't think any of us who post regularly are the problem.  I have noticed a lot of new names posting in the last couple of weeks.  I wonder if this was planned (I know, I read too many mystery novels).  But I did think it was odd to see so may new posters lately.

Huh, I didn’t even notice that. Now I’m even more confused, lol.

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Huh, I didn’t even notice that. Now I’m even more confused, lol.

I didn't notice either. I wish a mod would come here and spell out what they want from us.

[Jeeves]

6 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Why was the Jinger topic closed? I don't see anything there that could be considered negative or harmful. 

I'm really confused.

I wonder if it's the topic title that the moderator doesn't like. In which case, can't the mod just change it? Or open a conversation about choosing a different title?

[Salacious Kitty]

Just now, Jeeves said:

I wonder if it's the topic title that the moderator doesn't like. In which case, can't the mod just change it? Or open a conversation about choosing a different title?

Maybe the new mods don't understand that thread titles were voted on by the group and implemented by the old mods? 

Other than that, I got nothing.

[CalicoKitty]

You don't like a post--use the delete button.  I really don't get the problem (or even know what it is).

[Suzn]

I absolutely don't understand what the problem is with this thread or any other for the Duggars.  If they want change, they will need to explain in clear direct terms what has been written that is offensive to someone.  And who has been offended or hurt any way.

I feel that I cannot express myself fully on this since there are some vague new rules that I don't understand.

I'm not sure what will be left standing when the threads are perfected, but I suspect there won't be anything left for me.

[Jeeves]

About the Shopping Channels forum - it now says this:

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Due to multiple reports of conduct that does not align with our community values of respect, diversity, and inclusivity, this forum will be shut down on 3/1/24.

After a link to the community guidelines, there's this:

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If you have feedback on this decision, you may fill out this survey: 

https://forms.gle/6oxNFktEHQeqwvrw5

Edited March 1 by Jeeves

[Dehumidifier]

Earlier today there was discussion of a family that was never on TV and its possible future issues. I believe that was the reason.

[CalicoKitty]

4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

About the Shopping Channels forum - it now says this:

After a link to the community guidelines, there's this:

 

 

 

So the entire forum is gone.  This is crazy.

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

About the Shopping Channels forum - it now says this:

After a link to the community guidelines, there's this:

 

 

 

There was absolutely no warning on the Shopping Channel forums about an imminent closure. How strange.

[GeeGolly]

This sub-forum is currently under a Red Light status due to multiple reports of conduct that does not align with our community values of respect, diversity, and inclusivity. Immediate corrective action is required. 

So, I guess the who(s) don't matter, but to me the what does. As an IRL supervisor I need to give my staff clear direction and support. If I say, you charted that wrong, without actually telling them what part was wrong, they won't know what to fix.

We haven't even had any spirited debates. Nothing I've read seemed out of the norm and if I posted something out of the norm no one notified me.

Edited March 1 by GeeGolly

[oliviabenson]

27 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Why was the Jinger topic closed? I don't see anything there that could be considered negative or harmful. 

I'm really confused.

My guess Cade discussions.

[CalicoKitty]

Something big is going on since the red light--and entire forum shutdown has happened all of a sudden.  I wonder if we will ever really find out what is going on.

[oliviabenson]

Just now, CalicoKitty said:

Something big is going on since the red light--and entire forum shutdown has happened all of a sudden.  I wonder if we will ever really find out what is going on.

No we won’t.

[AstridM]

9 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said:

Earlier today there was discussion of a family that was never on TV and its possible future issues. I believe that was the reason.

Then they need to SAY THAT DIRECTLY. 

[GeeGolly]

Anyone here know how to make a small cozy forum? I feel more comfortable having anonymity due to some posers that have slipped in here before.

[GeeGolly]

Even the old rules and guidelines are locked.

[CalicoKitty]

Someone must have been making a lot of complaints to the people in charge, and I find it interesting that this site and the Shopping Channels site are both in trouble.  The entire Shopping Channel site has actually disappeared. This cannot be a coincidence.  Both sites on the same day?  I am curious to find out if any other sites were hit this hard.

[zoomama]

i am saddened by this because this place is truly my guilty pleasure and fun spot. if it goes, i will miss the interaction with ya'll. i dont reall understand reddit although i can try

[CalicoKitty]

6 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Then they need to SAY THAT DIRECTLY. 

Actually, I think the wife was seen on the show.

[Dehumidifier]

11 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Then they need to SAY THAT DIRECTLY. 

I believe there was a rule about that posted all along. 

[GeeGolly]

4 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Actually, I think the wife was seen on the show.

Who knows if that's even a rule anymore. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[zoomama]

k, i did it. my name is still in my screenname so you will know me. but i still feel weird over there so may not show up much. i like it here- i at least understand this place a little bit.

[GeeGolly]

[Jeeves]

So this is at the top of the Michelle and JB topic:

 

 

And same at the top of the Jing and Jeremy topic:

But there's no such message on the Josh/Anna topic. 

If "much of the posting within" these topics is a problem? All of those posts were done under moderation! Over the course of those conversations, comments that were offensive and against the rules were reported to the mods, who took appropriate action. Comments were deleted, people were warned. 

I get it about the titles - which the mods can fix if they want to, in a hot minute -  but not about the content.

[oliviabenson]

24 minutes ago, zoomama said:

i am saddened by this because this place is truly my guilty pleasure and fun spot. if it goes, i will miss the interaction with ya'll. i dont reall understand reddit although i can try

Reddit is ok once you figure it out. You don’t need to join to read anything.

[GeeGolly]

Okay. What do we do? Start our own poll in ST to rename them and then wait for someone to change it for us?

Jinger and the Holy Goalie

Michelle and Jim Bob: The Broken Umbrellas

[graybrown bird]

There is to be no snark on this site?  Is that the gist?

[Girl in a Cardigan]

Given the koombaya speak in the "red light" message it's only a matter of time before all the threads get closed because this is NOT a fan board for this show or the people portrayed on it (and never has been). Perhaps if the new leadership had ever seen the show, they'd know that the SHOW and it's participants don't adhere to the DEI principles claimed.

Look, if the new leadership wants:

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Your Role: Each one of us holds the power to shift the conversation back towards a more healthy and inclusive direction. Let’s work together to create a space we all can be proud of. Please tag posts that the community team can review to demonstrate this shift: self-transformation, globalcitizenship, kindness, RespectfulDebate

then I don't know what we're doing here. That's not what this forum has ever been about because the people this forum is about aren't like that. "Global Citizenship?" What debates have we even been having?

If they want new titles for the threads, fine. We changed David Rod's nickname after the last DEI talk. But just giving us traffic light colors like elementary school and telling us we all need to practice kindness is a little ridiculous. We're kind to EACH OTHER, but not the subjects of the cancelled show. If that's what they want, I'm out.

[ginger90]

What the heck?

[Jeeves]

12 minutes ago, graybrown bird said:

There is to be no snark on this site?  Is that the gist?

I think so. 

[CalicoKitty]

Sooo-where are we all going?  I like our group and hope we can stay together.

[quarks]

See, the problem with these rules for this forum, as opposed to, say, the Bridgerton forum, is that I'm honestly not sure how "self-transformation, global citizenship and kindness" can be regularly applied to a thread that's discussing a convicted criminal. 

It's possible that this CAN be done, but speaking for just me, I would need some guidance about how to get there.

 

 

 

[satrunrose]

Issue 1: I'm concerned that this shift is causing some problems with the paradox of tolerance (where people say that if you are tolerant, you must also be tolerant of intolerance). I can see that if your values align more with the Duggars and Co. that this isn't a fun place to hang out, but do we want it to be? 

Issue 2: I'm not sure what exactly we've done wrong and have no clue how to fix it in a month. Feedback needs to be specific if it's going to achieve the desired goal. If the issue is mostly the thread titles, and for the record, I'm not attached to any of them, how do the members go about changing them to stave off having the forum shut down? 

Issue 3: In my day job I'm all about inspiring respectful and challenging conversations and good global citizenship, but work also burns me out so that when I come home, I just want to enjoy reading about and snarking on the latest antics of the Rods and co. I can (and want to be) polite and respectful of other posters and conscientious of the fact that these are real people we're talking about, but if we can't be light and silly sometimes, I think I'll need to find somewhere else for internet leisure reading.

Just now, quarks said:

See, the problem with these rules for this forum, as opposed to, say, the Bridgerton forum, is that I'm honestly not sure how "self-transformation, global citizenship and kindness" can be regularly applied to a thread that's discussing a convicted criminal. 

It's possible that this CAN be done, but speaking for just me, I would need some guidance about how to get there.

I'm in the same boat, although I have to say, I'm in the Bridgerton forums more because I want an excuse to think of Anthony in a wet shirt than to pursue self-transformation. 

[quarks]

Oh, and yes, this forum is very definitely one of my guilty pleasures.

But it hasn't been just a guilty pleasure - it's been very helpful for me to read the different viewpoints here. I've learned a lot. 

4 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

 

I'm in the same boat, although I have to say, I'm in the Bridgerton forums more because I want an excuse to think of Anthony in a wet shirt than to pursue self-transformation. 

I mean if I could transform myself to look anything like Kate/Simone Ashley I would be absolutely delighted. 

[satrunrose]

Oh, I agree with that too! The stuff that's been posted in Sweet Fellowship lately has led me to some really interesting pondering about at what point do we become responsible, or considered responsible, for our own choices despite our upbringing. I've also really enjoyed lots of thoughtful conversations (Consent in Bridgerton: discuss) all over this site. 

I guess for me, before it was like coming to a party. Sometimes you make small talk, sometimes you make silly comments, and sometimes you end up in a corner debating whether we exist at all until three in the morning. With this new thing, it seems like more of a symposium or a class and it feels like, well, work, to make sure that everything I contribute adds to the sum of human understanding and virtue. As it stands now (and I admit, my usual response to change is 'nooo! tooo much pressure!') it seems like things are going to be a lot less relaxed and organic now. 

Edited March 2 by satrunrose

[oliviabenson]

I guess we supposed to write something like this:

Jill Rod is a wonderful mother. Look her kids are wearing sweaters under their dresses. She is so fashion forward! And a David looks wonderful in his new clothes! 

[Jeeves]

2 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

Oh, I agree with that too! The stuff that's been posted in Sweet Fellowship lately has led me to some really interesting pondering about at what point do we become responsible, or considered responsible, for our own choices despite our upbringing. I've also really enjoyed lots of thoughtful conversations (Consent in Bridgerton: discuss) all over this site. 

I guess for me, before it was like coming to a party. Sometimes you make small talk, sometimes you make silly comments, and sometimes you end up in a corner debating whether we exist at all until three in the morning. With this new thing, it seems like more of a symposium or a class and it feels like, well, work, to make sure that everything I contribute adds to the sum of human understanding and virtue. As it stands now (and I admit, my usual response to change is 'nooo! tooo much pressure!') it seems like things are going to be a lot less relaxed and organic now. 

Well said!

I believe that the Primetimer Forums are being declared a snark-free zone. Which IMO is also a fun-free zone. If so, I'm gone.

[oliviabenson]

I think 10 people max are posting in this section, maybe a few more in small topics.

[Girl in a Cardigan]

Found this in Site Business (which feels like it should be part of this traffic light announcement, but whatever):

Not sure it's very helpful in understanding what they want from us (also apparently there's going to be Badging if your a GoodPosterTM?), but it's got more info than anything I'd seen so far.

[Lisa418722]

When Primetimer shut down for the week, I wondered if it would even come back up.  I enjoy this site.  When my work computer is slow, I spend a few minutes checking in on a couple of boards. If it disappears, I will miss it.  But it would help to have some sort of clear explanation as to what's going on.

[jcbrown]

This forum has been a nice break and a refuge for me from TwoP to previously.tv and now here. I don't get why the urge to shut down our interactions rather than say what the issue is and ask to fix it. I've been around the internet a while and this group is generally one of the most respectful and mindful that I've seen. Not sure why this "unbroke" thing needs to be fixed. And yes, if it is not okay to snark in this space anymore than that's a big shift that needs to be communicated.

I've gotten a lot of support from fellow posters here and I'll be sorry to see it go.

[GeeGolly]

Can someone get the mods and the owner over here to ST? I think we'd all like to have a mature, inclusive conversation about why we're all here, what we enjoy and for this particular show, who the Duggars and Co. are.

 

I think I want my mommy. 😄🙃😵

[KingsCup]

50 minutes ago, Girl in a Cardigan said:

Not sure it's very helpful in understanding what they want from us (also apparently there's going to be Badging if your a GoodPosterTM?), but it's got more info than anything I'd seen so far.

They better not ever try to stick one of those ugly ass comic sans clip art badges on me......

[Madtown]

I agree with all that have said that the Mods should come into ST and explain things. None of this makes sense. As many have also said, this has NEVER been a a fan forum. We all voted on the topic titles and the previous mods agreed to them.

I didn't see anything wrong in the threads I read in Counting On. I don't really read the Michelle and JimBob one, so not sure what was going on in there. I think we all have reasonable discussions and you all make me laugh daily.

I don't know where to go if this site becomes a fan thread and I will miss all our discussions and the laughs..

[P2C2E]

Just went and checked out the badges and all I have to say is...

What fresh hell is this?!?

[GeeGolly]

So the Nellie Olsens get traffic lights and the Mary Ingallses get badges, while the rest of us sit around and wait for threads to get unlocked?

[CalicoKitty]

Interestingly, House Hunters, where people are really hard on the couples on the show, is running just fine with no lights or shutdowns.  I still think some people signed up just to complain, which brought this unwanted and unneeded attention.  There is no way our usual posters would draw this kind of attention.  I could see this happening on the Shopping Channel shows, too.

[crazycatlady58]

18 minutes ago, Girl in a Cardigan said:

Found this in Site Business (which feels like it should be part of this traffic light announcement, but whatever):

Not sure it's very helpful in understanding what they want from us (also apparently there's going to be Badging if your a GoodPosterTM?), but it's got more info than anything I'd seen so far.

Well, they don't seem to be very transparent if no one knows what went wrong.

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

Well said!

I believe that the Primetimer Forums are being declared a snark-free zone. Which IMO is also a fun-free zone. If so, I'm gone.

Same. I am here to snark, period.

50 minutes ago, P2C2E said:

Just went and checked out the badges and all I have to say is...

What fresh hell is this?!?

Yep. I’m a middle aged woman, and I don’t want or need any prizes or badges or any such nonsense.