Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[pau]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

Rafe had more chemistry in his brief scene with Sami then he has ever had with Hope.  Absolutely loved that Sami called the police    John and Paul had shovels and a wheelbarrow   Where were they going with the body ?   Did they really believe no one would see them  

I loved and cried with Lumi.  That was so heartbreaking.  Liked that Sami was the one person who stopped lecturing Lucas and instead said we will figure out. 

Forget to mention Eric and Nicole.   Poor Eric just doesn’t get to happy long.  I love Eric and feel so sad for him.  He was so excited for a minute about his future.  Even making play dates for holly.  

 

@pau I didn’t even think of them being a couple.  Just found it interesting.  

I understand and get it..but i could not help whining about it..lol, i admit, i am guilty.

[Cupcake04]

OMG Today's show was killer!. Holy crap evey freaking scene was sooooooo good!!! I havent felt like this about Days since like the 80's/90's lol.  Everything from the dialogue to the music (the music when Nic was dumping Eric was just perfect and totally added to the feel of the scene) to the way the scenes were laid out...Bonnie/Victor somewhat comedic scenes were the perfect in-between for the angst of the rest of the scenes. Wow, just wow. I am almost ready to take back all my evil thoughts about Ron from GH...I may even not be embarassed anymore to admit to everyone that Ron is from my hometown and rival hs!  lol

GV killed it today...killed it I tell ya!!!  I am not normally a 'shipper but I am hoping that Jen is there to pick up the pieces for Eric.

Brady killed it today too...he really shines as vindictive dick rather than just a douchebag. Even the scenes with him and Lucas were great.

I was wondering about the re- shoot of the Lucas/Sami morgue scenes. It seemed to me that the dialogue was the same...anyone look it up out of curiosity?

I lol when Joh left cemetary oushing a freakin wheelbarrow??!!  wtf? Some secret agent pushing a wheelbarrow in a cemetary in the middle of night lol

Also lol at Sammi saying she didnt wanna go home and see John lol

I also laughed when Sammi didnt wanna go home and see John. That was perfect dialogue.

I seriously cannot believe how good Days has gotten so quick....so much so that when Trump has breaking news I pray its during Gh an

[Frozendiva]

Eric should be smart enough to put two brain cells together to figure out that Nicole dumped him because of Brady - and that it is likely he threatened her.

Bonnie is starting to unravel. How can Victor get a divorce within a few hours to marry 'Adrienne'? Something smells rotten in Salem.

Lucas' booze flask is finally empty because of Sami?

Brady, all this nonsense will mean that you end up with..... nobody. You can't pull this crap on every woman you are involved with.

Paul is right in that three people are in the one bed. He can certainly love Sonny unconditionally and let him make the choice he wants to make on his own. If Will is alive, he and Sonny will need to decide together if they will move forward together, or let Sonny move on with Paul.

[Apprentice79]

1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

Bonnie is starting to unravel. How can Victor get a divorce within a few hours to marry 'Adrienne'? Something smells rotten in Salem.

I think that Bonnie is being setup by Maggie and Victor. They were both too calm. Maggie was not caterwauling and Victor was not throwing around threats and insults. The fact that Maggie called Bonnie a serial slut, let me know that she knows that this is Bonnie and not Adrienne. They might be too scared to say anything to Bonnie, in order to keep Adrienne safe.  I have no idea if Justin knows and he is pretending to be ignorant of the truth. Ron has to explain why Bonnie is Adrienne's double. He better not make her, Adrienne's twin, that would ruin the awesome storyline of the Johnson family.  Jo went through hell giving up Jack and Steve to the orphanage.  

If  Ron is smart, he would make Bonnie, Earl Johnson's daughter. She would be Adrienne's lookalike cousin.  I remember Jack, angry and sad that he was shut out of Jo's 50th birthday party.. He met his uncle Earl, not knowing that he was Duke's identical brother. When  Earl went to the party, all hell broke loose. Adrienne, Steve and Jo were face to face with their tormentor. Everybody there thought that Jack meant to hurt them, but, he had no idea that Earl was Duke's twin.  Jack was trying to change and nobody really believed him, except for Jennifer.  Jennifer never yelled or judged him, all that she said to him, was, how are you going to make amends.  How will you fix this faux-pas? This is back when Jennifer was a such a kickass, fearless heroine. I miss that Jennifer..

Edited October 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Star Aristille]

6 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I think that Bonnie is being setup by Maggie and Victor. They were both too calm. Maggie was not caterwauling and Victor was not throwing around threats and insults. The fact that Maggie called Bonnie a serial slut, let me know that she knows that this is Bonnie and not Adrienne. They might be too scared to say anything to Bonnie, in order to keep Adrienne safe.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.  The calmness from both Victor and Maggie was way too jarring and sent up a red flag for me.  Frankly, I'm surprised it didn't send up one for Bonnie, too.

Eric and Nicole's scenes were heartbreaking, for sure.  Greg and Arianne both went for it.

Lucas and Sami's scenes were also amazing.  Bryan and Alison haven't lost it at all, and I love that Sami stopped Lucas from drinking any more alcohol.

Brilliant episode.

[buffynut]

It has to be a setup, because there's no way Victor, Maggie and Justin would be that calm. And it seems like they're making Bonnie act less Adrienne-like now, so that should be a sign that the end is near.  I did love the completely un-enthusiastic replies Victor was giving to Bonnie's questions about their love. 

Poor Eric. And to a lesser degree, poor Nicole. Figures now that she's leaving town, and "Daniel" doesn't come up in every conversation, I don't hate the character anymore.

Sami was just leaving as I came back to the show, so except for her return for Will's funeral, it's been a long, long time since I've seen the character.

I'm really enjoying the show these days. I like the flow from episode to episode, and the way a story continues from day to day. But is it still the night of the double wedding?

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, buffynut said:

But is it still the night of the double wedding?

I don't think so because everyone has (mercifully) changed clothes. I figure it's maybe still the next day though. I don't know, days/weeks/months mean virtually nothing on Days lol.

[msrachelj]

why couldn't nicole tell eric the truth?

[plurie]

31 minutes ago, msrachelj said:

why couldn't nicole tell eric the truth?

Because Brady threatened to turn over her "confession" to the cops if she did. And Eric isn't a good liar, so he probably couldn't keep that a secret.

[Sandman]

12 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Jennifer never yelled or judged him, all that she said to him, was, how are you going to make amends.  How will you fix this faux-pas? This is back when Jennifer was a such a kickass, fearless heroine. I miss that Jennifer.

We all miss that Jennifer.

[kitmerlot1213]

Bonnie's "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" daydream involving her and Maggie was so wonderfully over the top--the doppleganger story is kind of lame but damn if JE isn't bringing new life to the trope.  DH did well as Hattie, too but it's time for the switch to be revealed.

I am glad to see AS back on my screen and looking as gorgeous as ever.

[TigerLynx]

I loved all the Sami/Lucas scenes.  To me, DH has been phoning it in for years, but I thought I saw a brief flicker of dread when Sami showed up at Will's grave.  I know Sami has been out of Salem for a while, however, John must have known that if he dug up Will's (son of Sami, grandson of Kate) grave that at some point there would be hell to pay.

[Apprentice79]

15 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Bonnie's "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" daydream involving her and Maggie was so wonderfully over the top--the doppleganger story is kind of lame but damn if JE isn't bringing new life to the trope.  DH did well as Hattie, too but it's time for the switch to be revealed.

I am glad to see AS back on my screen and looking as gorgeous as ever.

The doppelganger  story is too long. It makes Justin look like a fool.  Ron focuses too much on camp and not enough on substance. We should have seen Sami reuniting with Arianna. It would have brought home the urgency to bring Will home. Plus, I always liked the Sonny/Sami dynamic, the show never did anything with that. I loved how they teamed up to get the goods on Nick.  I would have loved to see them discuss Paul. Since Sami was not impressed with him.  They should have discussed all of the issues that Wilson had, before his death. Soaps used to excel at that. People conversing about something.  The Marlena/John scenes that were cut yesterday should have been shown today, in lieu of, Bonnie's fantasies. 

I love how Justin, Steve and Kayla are working together to figure this out. I loved the Jo mention.  Other than Justin, she knows Adrienne better than anybody.  Ron could have ended this story by having either Jo or Adrienne's other sons coming to town and exposed Bonnie as a fraud. There are some things that Anjelica will not know to write in that journal that she gave to Bonnie. Ron loves his camp. So, he will drag this out to infinity.

I love Marlena and Sami together.  I loved how Sami is relying on her mom. These scenes should have happened 2 years ago. Better late than never.. Allie and Johnny need to come as teens and live with Lucas.  I love Sami's overprotectiveness of Lucas. She was always like that when it came to him.  Even when they were scheming to ruin Austin/Carrie, she was always looking out for him.

The show needs some serious money for sets. I am tired of every conversation taking place at the pub, the ugly blue room that is used for everything. People need homes..

Edited October 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Chick2Chic]

Good to see Sami back and interacting with the cast. She's considered Lucas her best friend for many years plus he's the father of two of her kids. I'm glad she's there for him to help him recover so he can find his own path. I figure in 10 years they'll have a relationship similar to Roman and Marlena. They're almost already there anyway.  

[FnkyChkn34]

7 hours ago, buffynut said:

But is it still the night of the double wedding?

It's (at least) the next day - Nicole and Eric were shown the night of the wedding, then she woke up the next day and had it out with Brady.  Today may have started the following day because Sami caught John and Paul at night, and now it's the next morning, so the wedding was the day before yesterday in Salem.

Why did Sami kiss Chad today?  Totally random.

[pau]

3 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

The doppelganger  story is too long. It makes Justin look like a fool.  Ron focuses too much on camp and not enough on substance. We should have seen Sami reuniting with Arianna. It would have brought home the urgency to bring Will home. Plus, I always liked the Sonny/Sami dynamic, the show never did anything with that. I loved how they teamed up to get the goods on Nick.  I would have loved to see them discuss Paul. Since Sami was not impressed with him.  They should have discussed all of the issues that Wilson had, before his death. Soaps used to excel at that. People conversing about something.  The Marlena/John scenes that were cut yesterday should have been shown today, in lieu of, Bonnie's fantasies. 

I love how Justin, Steve and Kayla are working together to figure this out. I loved the Jo mention.  Other than Justin, she knows Adrienne better than anybody.  Ron could have ended this story by having either Jo or Adrienne's other sons coming to town and exposed Bonnie as a fraud. There are some things that Anjelica will not know to write in that journal that she gave to Bonnie. Ron loves his camp. So, he will drag this out to infinity.

I love Marlena and Sami together.  I loved how Sami is relying on her mom. These scenes should have happened 2 years ago. Better late than never.. Allie and Johnny need to come as teens and live with Lucas.  I love Sami's overprotectiveness of Lucas. She was always like that when it came to him.  Even when they were scheming to ruin Austin/Carrie, she was always looking out for him.

The show needs some serious money for sets. I am tired of every conversation taking place at the pub, the ugly blue room that is used for everything. People need homes..

Why Johnny would live with Lucas, the father of his twin sister but NOT his father, someone he doesn't know well by the way and has not real tie with..especially when he has HIS OWN mother who LOVE him, RAISE him and IS TAKING CARE of him since his birth...wtf..I get being fan of Lucas but come on..

Ali, on the other hand i understand the idea..but sorasing..meh..and they would destroy the character before she could say 'hello' ! lol

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[BuckeyeLou]

What the Heck was that all about when Sami kissed Chad?!  I try not to read spoilers, so I did not know if this is some kind of set-up?   It seemed crazy, though!

[TigerLynx]

If Sami has sex with Chad, I think I will just laugh it off.  I would rather see Sami hook up with Lucas, but random idiotic writing is par for the course for soaps nowadays.  Besides if it sends Slappy off the deep end and back to the looney bin, I am all for it.

[Apprentice79]

1 hour ago, pau said:

Why Johnny would live with Lucas, the father of his twin sister but NOT his father, someone he doesn't know well by the way and has not real tie with..especially when he has HIS OWN mother who LOVE him, RAISE him and IS TAKING CARE of him since his birth...wtf..I get being fan of Lucas but come on..

Ali, on the other hand i understand the idea..but sorasing..meh..and they would destroy the character before she could say 'hello' ! lol

Lucas has always loved Johnny .  He even has an ornament on the Horton tree, precisely because he is Allie's twin.  Plus, you never separate twins. 

Ciara, Theo, Allie and Johnny were children together. If you age Ciara, then, you should age Allie and Johnny as well.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Silver Raven]

"Grandpa Munster".  LOL.

What was on the plate that caused Maggie to scream in Bonnie's dream?

Weird that they brought Jo into this.

The explanation for that kiss is going to be interesting.

[pau]

17 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Lucas has always loved Johnny .  He even has an ornament on the Horton tree, precisely because he is Allie's twin.  Plus, you never separate twins. 

Ciara, Theo, Allie and Johnny were children together. If you age Ciara, then, you should age Allie and Johnny as well.

Johnny has his own mother, and even his own grandparents, uncles, aunts..he doesn't need Lucas. And mostly he has HIS OWN MOTHER.

And of course twins can be separated, on the other hand it doesn't make any sense to separate them from their OWN mother who is raising them..AND also Allie and Johnny can continue living happily together, raised by their mother offscreen..shrug.

There are enough sorasing children on this show like that.

And many characters are not sorased at the same time at all..Brady and Abby are supposed to be the same age..but they are not.

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[Chick2Chic]

7 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Lucas has always loved Johnny .  He even has an ornament on the Horton tree, precisely because he is Allie's twin.  Plus, you never separate twins. 

 

I don't recall Days actually showing that Lucas really spent any time with Johnny at all, especially past his newborn stage. I know Allie was shown to spend time with her dad separate from Johnny but Johnny and Lucas bonding with some deep relationship in which Lucas shows he loves Johnny? When did that happen? He may have an ornament but from I remember that was shown onscreen, Johnny had a bond with EJ and with Rafe. I didn't get an impression Lucas and Johnny had any type of relationship, at least from what was shown onscreen. Lucas was simply his sister's father to Johnny. 

[TigerLynx]

15 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Lucas has always loved Johnny .  He even has an ornament on the Horton tree, precisely because he is Allie's twin.  Plus, you never separate twins. 

Ciara, Theo, Allie and Johnny were children together. If you age Ciara, then, you should age Allie and Johnny as well.

Sydney is only about a year younger than Allie and Johnny.  If they sorased all three of them (and for once don't screw the characters completely up right after sorasing), Allie could live with Lucas and Johnny and Sydney could visit regularly, or moved to Salem and visit Sami.  It would be a way for AS to visit since she does not want to return full time.  It would also give Lucas and Kate something do.  Kate considers Johnny and Sydney her grandchildren to.

[Apprentice79]

Just now, TigerLynx said:

Sydney is only about a year younger than Allie and Johnny.  If they sorased all three of them (and for once don't screw the characters completely up right after sorasing), Allie could live with Lucas and Johnny and Sydney could visit regularly, or moved to Salem and visit Sami.  It would be a way for AS to visit since she does not want to return full time.  It would also give Lucas and Kate something do.  Kate considers Johnny and Sydney her grandchildren to.

Exactly! Johnny and Sydney are Sami's children, for that alone, Lucas would love them.  Plus, they are his children's siblings. I see no harm in that.

EJ was always kind and loving to Allie.  Will is another story..

[pau]

7 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Sydney is only about a year younger than Allie and Johnny.  If they sorased all three of them (and for once don't screw the characters completely up right after sorasing), Allie could live with Lucas and Johnny and Sydney could visit regularly, or moved to Salem and visit Sami.  It would be a way for AS to visit since she does not want to return full time.  It would also give Lucas and Kate something do.  Kate considers Johnny and Sydney her grandchildren to.

So Sami's children should suddenly be separated from her in order to give Lucas and Kate something to do ? Ok..whatever..

I hope for Kate and Lucas they don't need other characters in order to get a purpose..and Will is coming back, he can give them something to do if they are not strong and interesting enough to get it by themselves...Johnny, Allie and Sydney are well with their OWN mother living happily in Europe offscreen. 

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[Sandman]

If Brady's anything to go by, the side-effects of SORAS turn one into a paranoid douchenozzle with anger management and substance dependence issues.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Sandman

[FnkyChkn34]

1 hour ago, pau said:

Why Johnny would live with Lucas, the father of his twin sister but NOT his father, someone he doesn't know well by the way and has not real tie with..especially when he has HIS OWN mother who LOVE him, RAISE him and IS TAKING CARE of him since his birth...wtf..I get being fan of Lucas but come on..

Ali, on the other hand i understand the idea..but sorasing..meh..and they would destroy the character before she could say 'hello' ! lol

Maybe because Johnny needs a father figure, with EJ "dead"?  Lucas is a great father when he's sober.  This is a good idea, and @Apprentice79's opinion, which we are all entitled to have!

10 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Lucas has always loved Johnny .  He even has an ornament on the Horton tree, precisely because he is Allie's twin.  Plus, you never separate twins. 

Ciara, Theo, Allie and Johnny were children together. If you age Ciara, then, you should age Allie and Johnny as well.

I agree that it's a good idea, plus the "teen scene" needs some help.  The core characters aren't getting any younger, and the show could use new blood if it's to survive.

[Apprentice79]

5 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Maybe because Johnny needs a father figure, with EJ "dead"?  Lucas is a great father when he's sober.  This is a good idea, and @Apprentice79's opinion, which we are all entitled to have!

I agree that it's a good idea, plus the "teen scene" needs some help.  The core characters aren't getting any younger, and the show could use new blood if it's to survive.

Thanks! I just want Jarlena to be dealing with their large brood that is filled with Children, stepchildren, grandchildren and their great-granddaughter Arianna.  Jennifer, and Hope were with Tom and Alice in their youth, while their parents were not on the show. I  used to love seeing multigenerational stories that the show used to do.   I used to love it when Alice used to be involved in the adventure stories with Bope..I remember when she helped Bo break out of jail with her famous donuts..lol

Edited October 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[pau]

11 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Maybe because Johnny needs a father figure, with EJ "dead"?  Lucas is a great father when he's sober.  This is a good idea, and @Apprentice79's opinion, which we are all entitled to have!

I agree that it's a good idea, plus the "teen scene" needs some help.  The core characters aren't getting any younger, and the show could use new blood if it's to survive.

Johnny need above all his MOTHER, which he has..no need to separate him from her, she is the only parent he still has. He needs her above everyone else, same for Sydney, imho.

Of course everyone  is entitled to have his own opinion, i could not agree more about this point and i never said otherwise.

And I have a different opinion clearly and i express it and explain it, maybe a bit vigorously.

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[FnkyChkn34]

Just now, pau said:

Of course everyone  is entitled to have his own opinion, i could not agree more about this point.

And I have a different opinion clearly and i express it and explain it, maybe a bit vigorously.

Which we're all entitled to do; let's just make sure we stay polite!  Sorry, but I guess when I see words in all caps and comments like "wtf" directed at people, I think people are yelling and starting to get rude.  Reading everyone's differing opinions in civil discussions is what make this forum a nice place to comment and contribute.   

[pau]

1 minute ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Which we're all entitled to do; let's just make sure we stay polite!  Sorry, but I guess when I see words in all caps and comments like "wtf" directed at people, I think people are yelling and starting to get rude.  Reading everyone's differing opinions in civil discussions is what make this forum a nice place to comment and contribute.   

I agree. I can be pretty blunt but it does not come from a harsh/rude intent, but i understand.

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[Chick2Chic]

14 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

xactly! Johnny and Sydney are Sami's children, for that alone, Lucas would love them. 

I think this is fanwanking Lucas's emotions. We've seen him around those kids and he's never been anything more than cordial to Johnny and Sydney. He talks about his own children with Sami a lot but has rarely seemed  interested in Johnny and Sydney - not like Rafe was. When Lucas is yelling at Sami about something, he would always show his displeasure with threatening to take Allie away. He didn't seem concerned for how it might effect Allie's half-twin nor younger half-sib. I hate Rafe but Days did show  all of Sami's younger kids with him & bonding with him. With Lucas, it was always Allie off visiting with him. His focus was solely on her because that is his child. He didn't concern himself with the others that are not his kids.  

IA with those who don't need to see Sami's children that aren't Allie and Will used to give Lucas & Kate something to do. We already went through that mess with Rafe as super stepdad. 

Obviously mileage varies but IMO, assumptions based on things not shown regarding Lucas's history with Sami & EJ's children are being added in as facts.  I'm not saying Lucas is a jerk to Johnny &Sydney but I dont' recall him effusively loving nor caring towards Sami's kids that are not his children. 

[FnkyChkn34]

7 minutes ago, pau said:

I agree. I can be pretty blunt but it does not come from a harsh/rude intent, but i understand.

I didn't figure it did, but it can be hard to interpret over the internet.  I'm sure I've said things that were misconstrued as well.  I never intend to be harsh or rude either!  Thanks for understanding!  

[pau]

9 minutes ago, Chick2Chic said:

I think this is fanwanking Lucas's emotions. We've seen him around those kids and he's never been anything more than cordial to Johnny and Sydney. He talks about his own children with Sami a lot but has rarely seemed  interested in Johnny and Sydney - not like Rafe was. When Lucas is yelling at Sami about something, he would always show his displeasure with threatening to take Allie away. He didn't seem concerned for how it might effect Allie's half-twin nor younger half-sib. I hate Rafe but Days did show  all of Sami's younger kids with him & bonding with him. With Lucas, it was always Allie off visiting with him. His focus was solely on her because that is his child. He didn't concern himself with the others that are not his kids.  

IA with those who don't need to see Sami's children that aren't Allie and Will used to give Lucas & Kate something to do. We already went through that mess with Rafe as super stepdad. 

Obviously mileage varies but IMO, assumptions based on things not shown regarding Lucas's history with Sami & EJ's children are being added in as facts.  I'm not saying Lucas is a jerk to Johnny &Sydney but I dont' recall him effusively loving nor caring towards Sami's kids that are not his children. 

I agree and actually i respect Lucas for that, he never tried to take Ej's place with Johnny and Sydney, he showed he had healthy/fair boundaries..also he knows what it feels to have someone trying to play daddy to your own child..trying to steal your place..I always liked Lucas's behaviour concerning these issues. He was always nice to Sami's other children but knew his place.

Edited October 18, 2017 by pau

[buffynut]

43 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

What was on the plate that caused Maggie to scream in Bonnie's dream?

I figured it was going to be gross, so I only kinda glanced at it, but I think it was maybe a rat, or a pigeon.  I thought the dream was too campy and stupid. Course I also didn't see when Bonnie married Mickey, so the whole revenge thing makes little sense to me. So glad Salemites are finally getting a clue about "Adrienne". Hopefully that means this storyline will be over soon.

Yeah, and about that kiss. Very weird. I like these mid-week cliff hangers though. Gives you a reason to "tune in tomorrow".

[JBC344]

15 minutes ago, Chick2Chic said:

I think this is fanwanking Lucas's emotions. We've seen him around those kids and he's never been anything more than cordial to Johnny and Sydney. He talks about his own children with Sami a lot but has rarely seemed  interested in Johnny and Sydney - not like Rafe was. When Lucas is yelling at Sami about something, he would always show his displeasure with threatening to take Allie away. He didn't seem concerned for how it might effect Allie's half-twin nor younger half-sib. I hate Rafe but Days did show  all of Sami's younger kids with him & bonding with him. With Lucas, it was always Allie off visiting with him. His focus was solely on her because that is his child. He didn't concern himself with the others that are not his kids.  

IA with those who don't need to see Sami's children that aren't Allie and Will used to give Lucas & Kate something to do. We already went through that mess with Rafe as super stepdad. 

Obviously mileage varies but IMO, assumptions based on things not shown regarding Lucas's history with Sami & EJ's children are being added in as facts.  I'm not saying Lucas is a jerk to Johnny &Sydney but I dont' recall him effusively loving nor caring towards Sami's kids that are not his children. 

Well to be fair Rafe was married to Sami so him spending time with the kids is automatic.  When Lucas and Sami were together after the twins were born, Lucas was very much willing to treat Johnny as his own.  EJ was around and a dedicated father so there was no reason for Lucas to be shown fathering him.  With that said, I don't think we are to believe that Lucas doesn't have any feelings for Johnny and Sydney.  My impression is that the kids were always treated as a "unit" when they were younger that it is not out of the realm of possibility that Lucas would take in Johnny if was asked. 

Now where real life comes in is that Allie is his biological daughter so she is the one Lucas would fight for, he has no legal or moral right to Johnnie or Sydney so there is no reason to bring them up if he is arguing with Sami.  That doesn't negate any feelings he has for them. 

[TigerLynx]

They could bring Allie, Johnny and Sydney on gradually.  Have Allie visit Lucas for the holidays, and then have Johnny and Sydney come to visit Allie in the summer.  I know they are Sami, Lucas, and EJ's children and Kate's grandchildren, and two of them are Dimeras, but if the writers could refrain from having them commit crimes their first couple of years in Salem, it would be nice.

Lucas cares about Johnny and Sydney, but he has never tried to replace EJ as their father.  Lucas and Sami have joint custody of Allie, but Lucas has said several times one of the reasons he lets Allie stay with Sami more is because of Johnny and Sydney.  All three children are very close to each other not just the twins.

If Will is alive, that would be another reason for the children to visit Salem.  To see the older brother they thought was dead.  

Johnny, Allie and Sydney also love Rafe, and so did Sami at one time.  Sami was married to Rafe, and they were all a family so if the kids want to see Rafe I think they should.  It's funny I didn't mind Rafe as much when he was with Sami.  I guess because my main focus was on Sami, and if Sami being with Rafe annoyed EJ, I was all for it.

[Apprentice79]

Just now, TigerLynx said:

They could bring Allie, Johnny and Sydney on gradually.  Have Allie visit Lucas for the holidays, and then have Johnny and Sydney come to visit Allie in the summer.  I know they are Sami, Lucas, and EJ's children and Kate's grandchildren, and two of them are Dimeras, but if the writers could refrain from having them commit crimes their first couple of years in Salem, it would be nice.

Lucas cares about Johnny and Sydney, but he has never tried to replace EJ as their father.  Lucas and Sami have joint custody of Allie, but Lucas has said several times one of the reasons he lets Allie stay with Sami more is because of Johnny and Sydney.  All three children are very close to each other not just the twins.

If Will is alive, that would be another reason for the children to visit Salem.  To see the older brother they thought was dead.  

Johnny, Allie and Sydney also love Rafe, and so did Sami at one time.  Sami was married to Rafe, and they were all a family so if the kids want to see Rafe I think they should.  It's funny I didn't mind Rafe as much when he was with Sami.  I guess because my main focus was on Sami, and if Sami being with Rafe annoyed EJ, I was all for it.

Those children are also Bradys with lots of family on the show...The show needs to build up the next generation..

[JBC344]

I haven't seen today's show yet but is this kiss between Sami and Chad, a little dig at Abby?  I don't know the context so just guessing.

[Apprentice79]

Just now, JBC344 said:

I haven't seen today's show yet but is this kiss between Sami and Chad, a little dig at Abby?  I don't know the context so just guessing.

It was the cliffhanger for today.  We will see the whole thing  tomorrow..

[TigerLynx]

10 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Those children are also Bradys with lots of family on the show...The show needs to build up the next generation..

They do need to build the next generation.  Unfortunately, the idiot writers seem to have only one or two go to SLs for the characters.  They soras them and they either become to stupid to live, to boring to be entertaining, or they have them commit some stupid random crime.  I don't want to watch the writers ruin Sami's legacy children.  There is so much potential there if the writers would just take the time to develop it.

[Apprentice79]

13 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

They do need to build the next generation.  Unfortunately, the idiot writers seem to have only one or two go to SLs for the characters.  They soras them and they either become to stupid to live, to boring to be entertaining, or they have them commit some stupid random crime.  I don't want to watch the writers ruin Sami's legacy children.  There is so much potential there if the writers would just take the time to develop it.

I no longer have any hope of ever seeing them.  I have been wanting Andrew Donovan  and Sarah Horton back for years now.. I have given up on that. The same for Sonny's brothers.  Andrew, Eric and Shawn-Douglas should be heroes on the show driving stories for their generation..

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[Chick2Chic]

39 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

Now where real life comes in is that Allie is his biological daughter so she is the one Lucas would fight for, he has no legal or moral right to Johnnie or Sydney so there is no reason to bring them up if he is arguing with Sami.  That doesn't negate any feelings he has for them. 

My thing isn't that he has no feelings for Johnny and Sydney but more that he's being attributed to having a strong depth of feelings towards them not shown onscreen. Lots of statemens about how Lucas feels without anything onscreen showing it. What we've been shown is that Lucas is cordial with them but they're not bonded with him. They bonded more with Rafe and yes, that would be due to Sami's marriage to him and spending time with him as a family unit... time they didn't spend with Lucas.  I'm sure if Lucas was asked to raise all the kids in a pinch he would but why would he be asked over Sami's large family were something to happen to her?

It just feels like a design to hang Lucas on Sami in some way to give him more screentime or value as a character and that's part of the reason he was kneecapped as a character for a decade by not allowing him to move on.  YMMV. Today just affirmed that Sami loves Lucas as her best friend and two of her kids' father but that's it for her. It's not a romantic love as it's not something she's interested in with him. Lucas needs to find his own direction in life without her dragging him along to find it and thus keeping her back. 

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[A.J.]

1 hour ago, Silver Raven said:

What was on the plate that caused Maggie to scream in Bonnie's dream?

 

It was a rat.  That scene was recreated from the 1962 movie, What Ever Happened To Baby Jane staring Joan Crawford & Bette Davis.  They did a great job with that.  Adrienne's laugh and Maggie's scream was pure magic.  It was funny as hell.  And Adrienne looked awesome in those scenes.   

[DisneyBoy]

I am so confused about what Ari did or didn't see at the wedding. We saw her come in, throw the flower petals around and take a seat next to her mother, and then Ben burst in minutes later. We never saw her get up and leave the church, so therefore wasn't she there when Ben burst in? And if so why are we hearing the other characters talk as though she only overheard them discussing Will afterwards? As far as I'm concerned based on what we were shown, she was in the church when Ben said that Will was still alive. If they were going to bother having her at the wedding at all, it made no sense for her to somehow disappear in the middle of the action and for them to pretend she missed the juicy stuff. And if they wanted her not to be there when it went down, they could have just said she needed to go to the bathroom and shown Gabi taking her off camera. Little stuff like this annoys me because it's confusing for no reason. I really thought this would be Ari's first substantial plotline. It would have been so touching to have a scene with the young actress discussing what had happened with Gabi. She could have been confused and upset and wondering who Ben was and we would have had a chance to see Gabi be the protective Mom who reassures her and tries to offer an answer.

And for that matter, what did Tori and Paul's grandfather think of the live stream of the wedding that they were watching? John hilariously had his cell phone up filming when Ben burst in. When did he turn that off? Did he film the whole thing for them? I would have liked for Paul to have had to make a call to his mom to explain what it was went down.

 

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They do need to build the next generation.  Unfortunately, the idiot writers seem to have only one or two go to SLs for the characters.  They soras them and they either become to stupid to live, to boring to be entertaining, or they have them commit some stupid random crime.  I don't want to watch the writers ruin Sami's legacy children.  There is so much potential there if the writers would just take the time to develop it.

Hopefully with Sherri back on board, the show will find interesting personalities and storylines for the new young characters it introduces. Of course it's possible for them to also drop the ball (see above.)

 

I'm still catching up on Tuesday's episode, but I watched today and found it a little bit scattered.

 

The Bonnie stuff was fine and even fun but I don't think they did so much with the 'Bonnie Dearest' fantasy. Why not have Bonnie freak out at Maggie over picking up dry cleaning with wire hangers? I mean if you're going to make the movie reference at least reference the movie. At no point in Mommie Dearest did Joan Crawford break figurines and make her daughter cry. It was like Ron had an idea for Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and then just wanted one more sequence and didn't put much thought into what it was. Still, I enjoyed the fantasy shots. The show used to do stuff like this all the time and it was fun. And I'm definitely glad we still have Bonnie around because I don't think we're going to see much more of this stuff once she's gone. Too many of the characters on the canvas right now are pretty serious. We no longer have Anne, which sucks because I would love to see some of her fantasies, and Celeste is gone...so who else is there?

My favorite scene with Sami this week was her crying in Marlena's lap about the wild goose chase for EJ. It was so nice to finally get some closure on that plot point. I'm also hoping we hear about how Sami escaped Andre when she left last time. That was the start of a whole plotline for Belle and even though she isn't on the show right now I still think they should address it. Sami being in a dungeon, then saying she knows how to escape and vanishing was way too abrupt.

Allison really sold Sami's regret over dragging her kids around the globe on a wild goose chase. I really hope that that continues to inform her character decisions from here on out.

If she was trying to piss off Abigail by kissing Chad, I would think she would wait to do it at a moment when Abigail was actually in the room. Maybe when we tune in tomorrow we'll see that Abby is in the foyer and Sami caught a glimpse of her over Chad's shoulder. One can only hope!

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The Marlena/John scenes that were cut yesterday should have been shown today, in lieu of, Bonnie's fantasies

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Course I also didn't see when Bonnie married Mickey, so the whole revenge thing makes little sense to me.

Did they even successfully marry? Yeah, the show seriously needs to be showing flashbacks to that storyline if they're going to spend so much time using it as Bonnie's motivation. Today was definitely the day for that. Is it that they just don't want to pay royalties to the actor who played Mickey? Is he still alive? From what I remember this wasn't even a major storyline in the show's history that fans necessarily loved, so even a casual fan might not remember it all that well. Give us flashbacks for stuff like this, please!

Edited October 18, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Sandman]

45 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

And for that matter, what did Tori and Paul's grandfather think of the live stream of the wedding that they were watching?

Can you imagine how disturbing a live stream of a Salem wedding must be to those who are (a) from out of town, and thus unfamiliar with its particular context of crazy; and (b) not inured to the fact that Salem weddings are interrupted almost more than they are completed, usually by someone who is either recently recovered from death or newly escaped from penal, psychiatric, or private, i.e., vengeance-related, incarceration?

[tribeca]

It’s Eric’s birthday and I didn’t get to see him.  That doesn’t seem fair. 

[DisneyBoy]

Or featuring a sex tape between the bride and the priest, leading to the bride shouting expletives at the mother of the groom while the groom decks the priest?! Ah, Salem.

 

So I just watched Tuesday's episode. Whoa. The Eric/Nicole scenes were crazy emotional and really well done. The best of the storyline. The Sami/Lucas scenes were also very emotional. And yes, to the best of my recollection, that was the same dialogue spoken by Sami and Lucas back when Will died.

The stuff with Bonnie and Victor and Maggie and Justin felt a little out of place, but I think we can all agree that the storyline should have been wrapped up already. If I had been there, I would have assumed Victor was dealing with Alzheimer's or being blackmailed, considering the very brief responses he was given when prompted by Adrienne. I'm surprised Justin didn't drag her off forcibly to a doctor.

Even the scenes with Sonny and Paul were the best they've had so far. I still don't like Freddie's acting, but I definitely think this storyline and his scene partner are making him a wee bit better.

I really liked how Lucas snarked at Sami about how everyone throws his daughter's name around like it should automatically snap him out of it. Just because someone has a kid doesn't mean that they won't get caught up in an emotional spiral and succumb to depression or alcoholism. And considering we haven't seen Allie in years and she's been globetrotting with Sami, it's actually pretty callous for people to act as though he has a great relationship with his daughter and it should be the thing he lives for when he never gets to see her.

Really big episode Tuesday.

[Sandman]

Just now, DisneyBoy said:

Or featuring a sex tape between the bride and the priest, leading to the bride shouting expletives at the mother of the groom while the groom decks the priest?! Ah, Salem.

Also a surprisingly frequent problem (i.e. ever).

[Silver Raven]

2 hours ago, A.J. said:

It was a rat.  That scene was recreated from the 1962 movie, What Ever Happened To Baby Jane staring Joan Crawford & Bette Davis.  They did a great job with that.  Adrienne's laugh and Maggie's scream was pure magic.  It was funny as hell.  And Adrienne looked awesome in those scenes.   

Ha, that's what I thought.

Thanks.