Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Apprentice79]

2 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

Lol, I know a lot of parents who would/have said that. I honestly thought you were going to give a different example.  Haha

 

I think a lot has transpired with Billie and Kate in the last 25 years. Those examples you gave weren't false but I think the characters have progressed a lot. 

That was the most recent example of Kate's disdain for Lucas. Other than Philip, Lucas is the only child that she raised. I  think Kate sees Lucas as weak, ineffectual and a disappointment as a son. Lucas has a conscious, unlike Kate. 

I have never cared for Billie after the many ways, she tried to hurt Hope over the years. Her desperation was pathetic.

[msrachelj]

17 hours ago, boes said:

So, anybody here wish they could have been at any of those parties?  Gruesome, one and all.  Forget the cigars, those parties needed some of JJ's special donuts.

But at least Andre's had party favors.

Nice to see Kayla has started repurposing old picnic tablecloths as dresses. 

those were two of the worst "parties" i have ever seen. i would have faked a headache and left early. also, what the hell was up with the biddies having a hissy fit because claire would be seeing a male stripper? she's in college, she's not virgin. give me a break.

[Sandman]

14 hours ago, swtrgrl said:

 ... and outted him to all of Salem, including Grandpa Roman, who had no clue.

Well, let's be honest -- when was the last time Ex-Commissioner Grampa Mumbleteeth had a clue?

[swtrgrl]

8 hours ago, buffynut said:

Today was the first full episode I've seen all week, and I mostly liked everything. It still feels a bit weird that they're acting like this is Abby's first wedding, but I liked the scenes with Abby, Jennifer & JJ.  It really shows what a difference a writing team can do with a show. In this case, for me, it's a definite improvement over Dena, and the  other guy.

 

6 hours ago, JBC344 said:

That is interesting.  To me, Kate has always been Chad's closest relative. 

Kate has always been Team Chad. Always. I love this relationship. I'm glad they're keeping it.

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Speaking of brothers, have we heard on-screen where Sonny's are, why they're not attending the nuptials?

This has consistently annoyed me. Where the hell are Alex, Joey and Vic, Jr.?

 

If Justin called Alex to let him know about his mother, maybe we will get him in Salem. Fingers crossed.

[TeeVee329]

21 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

This has consistently annoyed me. Where the hell are Alex, Joey and Vic, Jr.?

I actually kinda get the plot reason not to have them all in town right now - that it would more easily trip up Bonnie - but given the show took a moment to explain why Paul's mom and grandfather weren't coming, surely they could have done the same for Sonny's bros.

[Frozendiva]

Bonnienne looked like she stepped off the set of Dynasty back in the 80s. Not exactly an appropriate gown to wear to a wedding, unless Joan Collins is attending!Or you have reason to throw shoulder pads at someone.

The Kiriakis men are getting a clue that 'Adrienne' is not herself lately?

Abs' dress looked nice, from what I could see of it. Jenn, please put some gold in your hair or not have it as severe and tone down the makeup a bit.

At least Chad has Kate as a decent person in his life. Wonder how long his friendship with Sonny will last.

Where are Sonny's brothers? Paul's mother?

I am assuming that someone escaped from the asylum.....

[annabel]

I am assuming the escapee is Ben, though I thought he got shipped off somewhere far away. He has been mentioned a few times lately. Or is it Jack? I am unspoiled, so no one confirm or deny my suspicions please.

[boes]

2 hours ago, Sandman said:

Well, let's be honest -- when was the last time Ex-Commissioner Grampa Mumbleteeth had a clue?

He's preoccupied, trying to find out who moved his Metamucil, where, and why.

He's given up on finding his Fixodent.

[mj2000]

1 hour ago, boes said:

He's preoccupied, trying to find out who moved his Metamucil, where, and why.

He's given up on finding his Fixodent.

I'd be willing to bet that he remembered to get his prescription of Viagra filled when Hattie was around. That is unless it would have interfered with his bp meds. 

[DisneyBoy]

Weird, weird episode on Wednesday.

Andre....Andre is...well...so weird. I laughed, I felt bad for him, I felt awkward. Yeah. Many emotions.

And then Abigail - cheating, maneater she is/was - squeaking and turning away from a male stripper? Exactly what kind of meds does Grandma Laura have her on?

Why would Claire of all people be the one to buy her lingerie?

How exactly did all of these Alpha men with their leather jackets and outdated stereotypical soap bravado manage not to get wildly uncomfortable watching a dude dressed up as a baseball player strip for Paul? And how the hell did Paul manage not to get completely weirded out by the whole thing happening in their presence when he is one of only two gay characters in the whole damn town that hasn't disappeared almost as soon as having been introduced? That scene was a pretty daring attempt on Ron's part to show how great everyone in Salem is this with The Gay....but I didn't buy it.

Nice touch with the stripper being a gay guy hired by both parties though. I actually think Gil had some chemistry with Paul and seemed like a real gay person (unlike Sonny and Paul). He should come back sometime.

That bachelorette party really needed Anne to jump in (ETA Anne??) or at the very least Chloe to host, considering she just bought the place. Heck, I would have even welcomed Julie's brand of crazy. It was pretty dull. Not even Valerie came around.

Why did JJ shave off his scruff after featuring it for all of two or three days?

I thought I would enjoy the hoopla surrounding the wedding, but I can't get past the fact that this entire town should be bored out of their minds at the idea of having to pretend to get excited about Chad and Abigail's third wedding in two years.

Edited September 29, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[mj2000]

2 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Bonnienne looked like she stepped off the set of Dynasty back in the 80s. Not exactly an appropriate gown to wear to a wedding, unless Joan Collins is attending!Or you have reason to throw shoulder pads at someone.

The Kiriakis men are getting a clue that 'Adrienne' is not herself lately?

Bonnie is trying to go retro....(((eye roll))) 

Is it really possible that the Kiriakis men have gotten a visit from the Salem Brain? 

2 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Abs' dress looked nice, from what I could see of it. Jenn, please put some gold in your hair or not have it as severe and tone down the makeup a bit.

At least Chad has Kate as a decent person in his life. Wonder how long his friendship with Sonny will last.

Where are Sonny's brothers? Paul's mother?

I am assuming that someone escaped from the asylum.....

I think an APB should be issued for Alex, Vic, and Joey Kiriakis. 

Although the whole story was a giant retcon, I liked Tori (Paul's mother). She seemed like a nice person. I don't see why she and John couldn't be on speaking terms in a similar way as Roman and Marlena are when it comes to their kids. It's like she was just there to spill the beans about Paul's paternity and then leave. We are supposed to believe that Tori and John were friendly enough to have sex but can't be friendly enough to keep in touch when it comes to Paul? Epic Fail! 

[Apprentice79]

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Nice touch with the stripper being a gay guy hired by both parties though. I actually think Gil had some chemistry with Paul and seemed like a real gay person (unlike Sonny and Paul). He should come back sometime.

I have never understood why some people say that Paul and Sonny don't seem like a real Gay person.  What does that mean exactly? Do they have to effeminate to be Gay? Is there one way of being Gay?  I am Black and it reminds me of Black people who will  say another Black person is not Black enough or they accuse the person of talking White or trying to be White. I have never understood that. Black people are not monolithic, there is diversity of thought, perspectives, life experiences, just like Gay people. The Black experience in the United States is very different than that of the Caribbean, where I am from.. You would be astounded of the cultural differences that exist between Black people who come from different countries. 

Edited September 29, 2017 by Apprentice79

[JBC344]

I think the issue is that there just seems to be a lack of authenticity, or more accurately that the characters come off "neutered".  I also think that there is always an emphasis to show how "we are all the same" that you miss out on experiencing or showcasing different cultures.  I just wish the emphasis was more on showing "gay culture" through Sonny and Paul and hopefully Will.  The coming out story was so good and layered but it is not the only experience that gay people have. 

You of course don't want to enforce or play into "negative" stereotypes, but you shouldn't be afraid to show said culture as well.

For example, I would be offended as a black person if every time we saw Val and Abe they were sitting around the table eating fried chicken and talking about who in Salem has good hair.  Counter that with I would appreciate if we saw a scene of Abe, Val, Eli, Lani, and Theo having scheduled Sunday dinner that involved soul food. 

That to me is what seems to be "missing" from the gay characters, not stereotype but culture.

[DisneyBoy]

I totally hear what you're saying and I do see on a daily basis the differences between various folks even if they would be lumped into the same category. Everyone is different and individual in spite of sharing a label.

I guess what I'm referring to is little things like watching Paul at the pub with all these other straight hetero men. He's the only gay one there but anybody tuning in and watching it would have absolutely no clue of this. Even once the stripper shows up, I didn't get some sense that this was hugely embarrassing for Paul or extremely erotic to Paul...there's just no gayness there.

The actor has shown that he can physically kiss another guy and even tear up while discussing their relationship, but I never once felt like Paul was gay (maaaaybe during his infamous romp with Guy's Will). I'm not saying the guy has to put on a dress or start calling people "diva"...or that there aren't guys who are gay who blend in completely with their straight comrades... I just find it telling that traits commonly associated with gay men are absent in the gay characters seen on the show. Would Days of Our Lives be comfortable having a more effeminate male gay character? I am doubtful. All they are comfortable with showing is a very butch/macho gay character, because they're afraid that anything that doesn't seem like a straight guy with a side of "technically, I'm gay but don't worry you won't have to actually see any of that on this show!" would frighten off the viewers in the Bible Belt. it's pretty weak representation. Whoever brought up the fact that these two don't have any gay friends, similar to how black characters will show up and have no other black friends, is right on the money.

As a gay guy, Paul might have been secretly fantasizing about other guys he saw the locker room, and felt intense shame. For him to then have to revisit those emotions while surrounded by Rafe and Roman and JJ would probably not have been fun for him. But where was that in the scene? It's like Ron was trying to make a statement about how comfortable straight guys should be around the gay guy. He even wrote that line of dialogue that one of them said about "how uncomfortable it must have been for Paul all those years while changing in the locker room as a gay man in the closet". I get the point Ron's trying to make in a scene like that and also by having the church be completely willing to marry two gay men. Ron is setting an example: "there's nothing wrong with being gay and straight men have nothing to be afraid of and neither does the church." That kind of Wishful Thinking writing can be impactful. It was groundbreaking for the Huxtables to be a successful, well-educated family rather than down-on-their-luck and rough around the edges because it gave people something to aspire to and it changed people's perceptions about what a black family was. I think Ron is doing something similar here in the way suddenly no one has any problem - any problem - with gay people in Salem. I just don't find it realistic because so much of the gay experience is about people hiding themselves and the others around - even if they are open minded - having to renegotiate the way they view said person. Nobody seems to care that Paul is gay or be affected by it. John accepted Paul completely, Paul's mother never even got a scene to address the fact that he was gay, from what I remember, and the character never does anything gay....so how gay is he exactly? There's a tokenism to him I find irritating. Paul is just there to check off boxes. He's Asian and he's Gay! It's a two-in-one!

Do you really mean to say that you look at Paul and believe he's had a history with men? I don't. I don't think Christopher Sean knows how to play a character who is gay. I don't think he's done research or crafted some really subtle portrayal, but then again I don't think the writing has ever been there for this character so it's not entirely his fault. I think the writing was there for Sonny once upon a time, but Freddie has long since abandoned any pretense of doing more than delivering his lines like a pod person. In old clips of Will and Sonny, I could believe Sonny was gay and had actually been through some of the stuff he was talking about. But since the start of Paul and Sonny's relationship post-Will, I never felt for a second that Sonny was gay anymore. It was just Freddie delivering lines and collecting a paycheck, and Paul trying to seem interested in him.

Given that Paul is an Asian former pro baseball player who only recently came out of the closet, I think there was a lot of great potential there. But there's nothing specific about his performance. I think Christopher Sean just plays the character kind of "soft" sometimes (when the script even allows for it) and hopes that's adequate. it's not really his fault that the writing has always sucked for him, but I can't sit here and say that I buy that this character is gay.

That's why I really love what T-Boz is doing on the show and the fact that Sheila is even there. I cannot think of a single black character that appeared on Days of Our Lives while I've been watching it who was anything other than a very educated put together for lack of a better word "white-sounding" black person. I'm sure there's a better word for that but I don't know what it is so feel free to tell me. Sheila seems like she's been through some stuff and dealt with things like racism or lack of opportunities. I'm not saying she didn't come from a wealthy background just because she has a bit more "flava" but I think you will get what I mean. A woman like Sheila is someone you could run into in the real world. Paul is...not. but then again, I haven't met dozens of gay Asian former pro baseball players so what the hell do I know? Maybe there are thousands of real people exactly like the Paul we see on this show. I just don't really believe it.

My hope Is that under Ron and future writing regimes, the show feels confident enough to include characters that are actually different from one another and create more of a believable tapestry. For this to succeed, the writing for these characters has to be specific, the casting has to be inspired and the acting needs to be there as well. When I see characters like Anne, Sheila, Bonnie and Susan, I'm happy because they are different from the majority of the cast. I am happy because I feel like I'm seeing people from different walks of life represented - people that I might have already met in my life or could believably meet in my life. Yeah, I even enjoyed Mama Hernandez, even though some people rightfully felt she was a bit of a stereotype.

I'm all for diversity on the show but it can't be a situation where the characters all blend together and once in awhile state "I'm the gay one" or "I'm the Hispanic one". If it wasn't for Kyler's interpretation of Theo, I would never have any clue that he had anything like autism. The show never writes to it and maybe that's the point they're making - that autistic people don't always seem autistic and that gay people don't always seem gay - but mostly I just think it's because this show doesn't have the balls to actually write things like that in a consistent believable fashion without gasp!! alienating fragile white viewers who want to live in a white world where everything is white!1!!

Paul included. This is the second time we've seen him speak Japanese isn't it? Not a coincidence.

Ron really has his work cut out for him, but I won't be happy if he continually brushes aside the things that the show has ignored that make these characters interesting and unique or, equally annoying, suddenly develops them a little bit without any thought to why they were absent before. I don't want Theo suddenly becoming "super autistic" out of nowhere any more than I suddenly want Paul becoming "super gay". I guess I just want a writer to come in and try to massage the character back into these players, hopefully in such a way that I can tell myself it was there all along so I can get more enjoyment out of the memory of all of these months I spent watching the show where the characters were terribly written and had the depth of street puddles.

Their conversations about Will were only okay. I don't buy how Sonny says he thinks of his dead husband every day. Maybe it would have been more realistic to have them both angrily have to confront the subject of Will because Lucas keeps bringing it up, and both of them admitting that they had to block out Will's entire existence in order for their relationship to even get started again. That would have made sense with what we saw on the show these last few months and still acknowledged that Will was the elephant in the room. For either of them to sit there at this point and say "I always think about Will so much every single day!" makes me roll my eyes. No, you don't. We never saw that in any of your previous scenes together. The show didn't write it in and you were probably even instructed not to add that to your performances because Will suddenly became this thing that had to be bleached out of existence. So again I'm grateful Ron at least had them address the elephant in the room but I don't think the way he had them do it worked with the established history. See what I mean?

When Theo's autism was suddenly triggered during The Siege storyline while he was locked in that room with the two babies to look after, I kind of bought that. it still sucked that we haven't seen anything remotely autistic from Theo in the months prior, but Dena saw an opportunity to have it factor in and that seemed natural. I just think there should be more instances like that so that whatever it's like to be autistic can be accessible to me as a viewer who isn't.

Missed opportunities. I'll stop talking now.

Edited September 29, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[FnkyChkn34]

On 9/25/2017 at 10:23 AM, DisneyBoy said:

I really hope this wedding is well attended. Who has a good reason to be there?

Marlena, John, Brady, Nicole, "Adrienne", Justin, Lucas, Victor, Maggie, Gabi, Arianna, Eli, Andre, Kate, Theo, JJ, Lani, Jennifer, Doug, Julie, Hope, Rafe...that's it, I think. 22 people. Let's see if they show.

(Steve, Kayla and Tripp aren't really needed, ditto for Abe and Val, Eric is in exile, Roman ain't related to this group, Claire never has scenes with Abigail or Jennifer so she can opt out and Tate and Holly are too young.)

Kristian Alfonso just posted two pictures on Instagram.  Hope and Rafe are guests at a very fancy wedding in St. Luke's (Rafe is wearing a tux) and in the background are Brady and Nicole, and Abe.  There are other people too, I just can't make them out.  

I haven't seen an episode yet this week, so everyone might already know who the guests are, but just figured I'd share.

(Also, Steve and Jack are brothers, so Steve and Kayla are Abby's uncle and aunt.  Guess that makes Tripp yet another cousin.)  

[Sandman]

At this point, if any character fits the stereotype of the gay man, it's Andre -- aperitifs and ascots at a bachelor party, seriously? The fact that Andre isn't (I don't think) supposed to be gay, and on the other hand is (a) a homicidal maniac with an unappeasable need for attention and (b) seemingly completely unable to read social cues -- means the show is buying into some very, very retrograde ideas, not representing diversity in any meaningful way.

[teacake]

18 hours ago, msrachelj said:

those were two of the worst "parties" i have ever seen. i would have faked a headache and left early. also, what the hell was up with the biddies having a hissy fit because claire would be seeing a male stripper? she's in college, she's not virgin. give me a break.

It was mostly Hope, who is Claire's grandmother, which could be super awkward.  The scene did feel kind of prudish, though.

 

2 hours ago, JBC344 said:

I think the issue is that there just seems to be a lack of authenticity, or more accurately that the characters come off "neutered".  I also think that there is always an emphasis to show how "we are all the same" that you miss out on experiencing or showcasing different cultures.  I just wish the emphasis was more on showing "gay culture" through Sonny and Paul and hopefully Will.  The coming out story was so good and layered but it is not the only experience that gay people have. 

You of course don't want to enforce or play into "negative" stereotypes, but you shouldn't be afraid to show said culture as well.

For example, I would be offended as a black person if every time we saw Val and Abe they were sitting around the table eating fried chicken and talking about who in Salem has good hair.  Counter that with I would appreciate if we saw a scene of Abe, Val, Eli, Lani, and Theo having scheduled Sunday dinner that involved soul food. 

That to me is what seems to be "missing" from the gay characters, not stereotype but culture.

Thank you and DisneyBoy for explaining this so well with your thoughts.  Really well articulated.  There is a trap of a false choice between 'sameness' and 'stereotype' that Days has too often fallen into.

I watched Wednesday this week, and sorta kinda... hated it.  The highlights were the Paul and Gil scenes at the edge of the pub, and it was nice that Hope asked about Kayla.  And the Andre material had potential, but just felt endless.  But the parties themselves were odd, almost like they just included the actors who had an extra day to burn.  And I really hate the lack of continuity with Steve and Kayla, and pretty much everything about how the writing is handling them.  It's like Dena left a dead fish on their doorstep and Ron is just letting it rot.

Also there isn't enough shade on Chabby for how many times they've gotten married.  Steve and Kayla had three weddings in 30 years and there was joke after joke about it, Chabby have had that many in 18 months.

Edited September 29, 2017 by lska

[Sandman]

22 hours ago, rcc said:

Anyone else think an ascot will be used for some nefarious reason. lol

I couldn't help thinking that Andre had some other agenda -- because he usually does. I thought it was weird that he'd set up a bridge game, which takes four players. Was he not going to play? What was he going to do, then? I could only assume he'd be off plotting something. Possibly something involving elegant strangulation? I don't know -- that whole scene was just strange. And rather pointless, if the only goal was to set up the conversation between Andre and "Father." Which, y'know, didn't make Andre seem more creepy or anything...

[TeeVee329]

That line in Sonny's vows - "There is not another living soul on this planet I would rather be standing here with" - was some textbook soap foreshadowing dialogue, might as well have been carved into a bar of Irish Spring.

The mid-episode fake out with Doug and Julie amused me.  And I liked the beat with Marlena and Paul re: her not officiating because she officiated Sonny and Will's wedding and Paul totally getting it.

[Silver Raven]

14 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Paul's mother?

Paul's grandfather is ill so she couldn't attend.

[BuckeyeLou]

Friday's show was wonderfully soapy, for me.  I always love Weddings on the soaps, lots of drama involved, pretty people dressed up nicely, and of course, the cliff-hanger.

I'm getting a kick out of Bonnie...her sexy, Dynasty-look dresses should be a clue to her family! LOL...when she was trying to get Sonny & Chad to look at her & then when she did not want to be the Officiant.  And of course, laughter with Doug & Julie's entrance.  I loved Abigail's scenes with her Mother & Brother.  Marci looked absolutely lovely & angelic in her wedding dress & veil.  I did not like Kate Mansi's portrayal of Abigail, and the writing for the character was horrible.  I'm liking Marci's portrayal, she is showing Abigail's vulnerability & fraught emotions( I feel like this version of Abigail is a totally different character than Mansi's version, like they have "hand-waved" away her sex romp with EJ, trying to seduce Austin, etc).   I have a feeling I know who bursts into the church.   All in all, an enjoyable Friday show.

[Silver Raven]

Gabi's dress is very pretty.

So the text is just that Father Louie can't make it?  What a letdown.

Does the Catholic Church allow non-priests to perform marriage services in the Church?  And why couldn't they wrangle Abe into doing it?

Since when does Bonnie have scruples about a little thing like performing a wedding service?

Why is Justin ordained?

Kayla actually is dressed nicely for a change.

Paul's boutoniere is so high up on his lapel, I thought it was a rip in his shoulder seam.

What the HECK is JJ wearing!?  He looks like a Mountie!

Aren't you supposed to stand when the bride walks down the aisle?

According to Jason47, there was a scene cut from today's show where Julie and Doug put up a new sign for the club, it's now called Doug's Place.  I wonder how Chloe feels about that.

[Sandman]

13 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

... a scene cut from today's show where Julie and Doug put up a new sign for the club, it's now called Doug's Place.  I wonder how Chloe feels about that.

I can guess how Julie feels about Chloe's feelings about that.

Edited September 29, 2017 by Sandman

[buffynut]

Good episode today.  Even though it was corny, I loved Doug's serenade to Julie. Hard to believe he's 92.  

Also enjoyed the church scenes. It was nice having so many guests in attendance. Great fake-out with Doug & Julie.  And though I was looking forward to seeing the wedding crasher, love that we're getting Friday cliff hangers.

[lilly6]

1 hour ago, buffynut said:

Good episode today.  Even though it was corny, I loved Doug's serenade to Julie. Hard to believe he's 92.  

Also enjoyed the church scenes. It was nice having so many guests in attendance. Great fake-out with Doug & Julie.  And though I was looking forward to seeing the wedding crasher, love that we're getting Friday cliff hangers.

Ditto.  I always like seeing Doug and Julie.  Reminds me of watching in the old days (mid-1970s) with my grandma when I was little.

[Frozendiva]

6 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Paul's grandfather is ill so she couldn't attend.

Maybe it was on the day I only got the first 14 minutes of the show.

[Frozendiva]

Thought Gabi's dress was a couple of inches too short. Well, for the church, anyway. Wrangling a toddler  and having to squat several times without giving folks a view would be a challenge.  Maybe save it for the party later and wear something two to three inches longer for the church. And most of the guests in sequins?

JJ's suit wasn't Mountie serge-red, but an odd choice when all the men were wearing dark suits.

I guess if you rented the church for the day it is yours to use. I would expect that the actual church wouldn't be available for a non-Catholic wedding - maybe the hall downstairs. The happy couples may need to re-book for a 'church' wedding. The Martin House living room/ballroom would have been more appropriate.

Bonnie's comment about Maggie was priceless. Too bad Victor wasn't paying attention. Her dress was also a bit too Dynasty-like for a church ceremony.

Abigail looked very nice and had a nice lipstick for a change.

Andre's speech almost seemed normal.

[Rowan]

Props, Days. You're doing the best with what little budget you have left to work with. From having a pretty good chunk of the cast present, to having Abigail look all pretty in her dress, to just plain ol' not having the wedding in a coffee house or someone's living room. 

Paul and and Sonny's vows were quite lovely. I like how the each member of the wedding party came in with their familial posse.

Did take me out if the scene a little when they cut away to Jennifer as she took in Paul's vows. I was like, wonder what MR is thinking about all the sweet man on man vows. 

Anyways, then you go and throw in some Friday cliffhanger action.

The show will never be what it once was, but at least they swing for the fence every now and again. Sure, it might only land them a respectably double, but at least it wasn't a miss. 

Edited September 30, 2017 by Rowan

[annabel]

that's one of the best attended soap weddings I've seen in quite some time. who is currently in town and should be there who isn't?

[DisneyBoy]

I haven't watched the episode yet but I really wish they had brought in some special guests. Grandma Laura was especially good at freaking out and giving big reactions from what I remember. Since they have established she was the one to try and help this version of Abby back to sanity after all the crap that went down with Ben, I would think she would be a natural choice to include. And I agree that it's high time we saw Sonny's invisible brothers. I'm really curious to see what Ron would do with brand new characters that he can create and define on his own.

 

Was Abigail actually wearing the same veil as Jennifer did? Or did they just buy some brand-new veil and lie and pretend it's been in storage for 20 years?

I remember wondering a similar thing when Kristen was supposedly showing John the pearl necklace her mother had intended for her to wear on her wedding. It was never clear to me back when we finally met Kristen's biological mother that she had saved any keepsakes to pass down to Kristen. She was the Woman in White! She was wandering around half insane. I'm guessing that necklace bit was a retcon and it kind of bugs me that they would so lazily throw-in a detail like that. It didn't make any sense with what was shown on screen. But maybe I missed some moments between mother and daughter when she passed down some necklace and the writers actually remembered it.

Edited September 30, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Apprentice79]

23 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I totally hear what you're saying and I do see on a daily basis the differences between various folks even if they would be lumped into the same category. Everyone is different and individual in spite of sharing a label.

I guess what I'm referring to is little things like watching Paul at the pub with all these other straight hetero men. He's the only gay one there but anybody tuning in and watching it would have absolutely no clue of this. Even once the stripper shows up, I didn't get some sense that this was hugely embarrassing for Paul or extremely erotic to Paul...there's just no gayness there.

The actor has shown that he can physically kiss another guy and even tear up while discussing their relationship, but I never once felt like Paul was gay (maaaaybe during his infamous romp with Guy's Will). I'm not saying the guy has to put on a dress or start calling people "diva"...or that there aren't guys who are gay who blend in completely with their straight comrades... I just find it telling that traits commonly associated with gay men are absent in the gay characters seen on the show. Would Days of Our Lives be comfortable having a more effeminate male gay character? I am doubtful. All they are comfortable with showing is a very butch/macho gay character, because they're afraid that anything that doesn't seem like a straight guy with a side of "technically, I'm gay but don't worry you won't have to actually see any of that on this show!" would frighten off the viewers in the Bible Belt. it's pretty weak representation. Whoever brought up the fact that these two don't have any gay friends, similar to how black characters will show up and have no other black friends, is right on the money.

As a gay guy, Paul might have been secretly fantasizing about other guys he saw the locker room, and felt intense shame. For him to then have to revisit those emotions while surrounded by Rafe and Roman and JJ would probably not have been fun for him. But where was that in the scene? It's like Ron was trying to make a statement about how comfortable straight guys should be around the gay guy. He even wrote that line of dialogue that one of them said about "how uncomfortable it must have been for Paul all those years while changing in the locker room as a gay man in the closet". I get the point Ron's trying to make in a scene like that and also by having the church be completely willing to marry two gay men. Ron is setting an example: "there's nothing wrong with being gay and straight men have nothing to be afraid of and neither does the church." That kind of Wishful Thinking writing can be impactful. It was groundbreaking for the Huxtables to be a successful, well-educated family rather than down-on-their-luck and rough around the edges because it gave people something to aspire to and it changed people's perceptions about what a black family was. I think Ron is doing something similar here in the way suddenly no one has any problem - any problem - with gay people in Salem. I just don't find it realistic because so much of the gay experience is about people hiding themselves and the others around - even if they are open minded - having to renegotiate the way they view said person. Nobody seems to care that Paul is gay or be affected by it. John accepted Paul completely, Paul's mother never even got a scene to address the fact that he was gay, from what I remember, and the character never does anything gay....so how gay is he exactly? There's a tokenism to him I find irritating. Paul is just there to check off boxes. He's Asian and he's Gay! It's a two-in-one!

Do you really mean to say that you look at Paul and believe he's had a history with men? I don't. I don't think Christopher Sean knows how to play a character who is gay. I don't think he's done research or crafted some really subtle portrayal, but then again I don't think the writing has ever been there for this character so it's not entirely his fault. I think the writing was there for Sonny once upon a time, but Freddie has long since abandoned any pretense of doing more than delivering his lines like a pod person. In old clips of Will and Sonny, I could believe Sonny was gay and had actually been through some of the stuff he was talking about. But since the start of Paul and Sonny's relationship post-Will, I never felt for a second that Sonny was gay anymore. It was just Freddie delivering lines and collecting a paycheck, and Paul trying to seem interested in him.

Given that Paul is an Asian former pro baseball player who only recently came out of the closet, I think there was a lot of great potential there. But there's nothing specific about his performance. I think Christopher Sean just plays the character kind of "soft" sometimes (when the script even allows for it) and hopes that's adequate. it's not really his fault that the writing has always sucked for him, but I can't sit here and say that I buy that this character is gay.

That's why I really love what T-Boz is doing on the show and the fact that Sheila is even there. I cannot think of a single black character that appeared on Days of Our Lives while I've been watching it who was anything other than a very educated put together for lack of a better word "white-sounding" black person. I'm sure there's a better word for that but I don't know what it is so feel free to tell me. Sheila seems like she's been through some stuff and dealt with things like racism or lack of opportunities. I'm not saying she didn't come from a wealthy background just because she has a bit more "flava" but I think you will get what I mean. A woman like Sheila is someone you could run into in the real world. Paul is...not. but then again, I haven't met dozens of gay Asian former pro baseball players so what the hell do I know? Maybe there are thousands of real people exactly like the Paul we see on this show. I just don't really believe it.

My hope Is that under Ron and future writing regimes, the show feels confident enough to include characters that are actually different from one another and create more of a believable tapestry. For this to succeed, the writing for these characters has to be specific, the casting has to be inspired and the acting needs to be there as well. When I see characters like Anne, Sheila, Bonnie and Susan, I'm happy because they are different from the majority of the cast. I am happy because I feel like I'm seeing people from different walks of life represented - people that I might have already met in my life or could believably meet in my life. Yeah, I even enjoyed Mama Hernandez, even though some people rightfully felt she was a bit of a stereotype.

I'm all for diversity on the show but it can't be a situation where the characters all blend together and once in awhile state "I'm the gay one" or "I'm the Hispanic one". If it wasn't for Kyler's interpretation of Theo, I would never have any clue that he had anything like autism. The show never writes to it and maybe that's the point they're making - that autistic people don't always seem autistic and that gay people don't always seem gay - but mostly I just think it's because this show doesn't have the balls to actually write things like that in a consistent believable fashion without gasp!! alienating fragile white viewers who want to live in a white world where everything is white!1!!

Paul included. This is the second time we've seen him speak Japanese isn't it? Not a coincidence.

Ron really has his work cut out for him, but I won't be happy if he continually brushes aside the things that the show has ignored that make these characters interesting and unique or, equally annoying, suddenly develops them a little bit without any thought to why they were absent before. I don't want Theo suddenly becoming "super autistic" out of nowhere any more than I suddenly want Paul becoming "super gay". I guess I just want a writer to come in and try to massage the character back into these players, hopefully in such a way that I can tell myself it was there all along so I can get more enjoyment out of the memory of all of these months I spent watching the show where the characters were terribly written and had the depth of street puddles.

Their conversations about Will were only okay. I don't buy how Sonny says he thinks of his dead husband every day. Maybe it would have been more realistic to have them both angrily have to confront the subject of Will because Lucas keeps bringing it up, and both of them admitting that they had to block out Will's entire existence in order for their relationship to even get started again. That would have made sense with what we saw on the show these last few months and still acknowledged that Will was the elephant in the room. For either of them to sit there at this point and say "I always think about Will so much every single day!" makes me roll my eyes. No, you don't. We never saw that in any of your previous scenes together. The show didn't write it in and you were probably even instructed not to add that to your performances because Will suddenly became this thing that had to be bleached out of existence. So again I'm grateful Ron at least had them address the elephant in the room but I don't think the way he had them do it worked with the established history. See what I mean?

When Theo's autism was suddenly triggered during The Siege storyline while he was locked in that room with the two babies to look after, I kind of bought that. it still sucked that we haven't seen anything remotely autistic from Theo in the months prior, but Dena saw an opportunity to have it factor in and that seemed natural. I just think there should be more instances like that so that whatever it's like to be autistic can be accessible to me as a viewer who isn't.

Missed opportunities. I'll stop talking now.

Disneyboy, don't ever stop talking. Your post was very insightful.  I enjoy reading your post on here. You and JBC344 gave me food for thought about the difference between stereotype and culture. 

[Apprentice79]

On ‎9‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 11:54 PM, TeeVee329 said:

I actually kinda get the plot reason not to have them all in town right now - that it would more easily trip up Bonnie - but given the show took a moment to explain why Paul's mom and grandfather weren't coming, surely they could have done the same for Sonny's bros.

I wish that the show would  have brought back Sonny's brothers back for the wedding.  One of them should be the one who blows Bonnie out of the water with her con. Plus, what is the purpose of her scheme, does she think that she can con Adrienne's family for life.  I think that it would be a hoot if she met Alex and made a play for him. She could even feel a bit guilty about Anjelica.   Or she messes up with the Kiriakis twins. She could believe that they are identical twins, when in fact that they are fraternal twins.   Alex, Joseph and Victor Jr. were born on the show.  Justin and Adrienne were in the delivery room, when JJ their biological mother gave birth to them.  Not to mention, with all of the 4 in town, it would be hard for Bonnie to keep up her charade. There are certain things that she will not know about Adrienne's dynamic with each of her sons.  Justin and Sonny are too distracted to put it all together. They would need fresh eyes to connect the dots.

After all of this time, I still don't know who Sonny is outside his relationship with Will. His brothers would give us insight in who he is and his childhood with his family in Texas.

I always envisioned Alex to be the smartest of the four.  He would be very close to Justin and would adore Adrienne. He would challenge Philip for Victor's throne, putting Justin and Victor at odds. The show has never really highlighted their relationship. For years, Victor and Justin only had each other as family, going back to their backstory in Greece.  It is why family is so important to them. Victor and Justin taking  opposite sides, in the feud between their sons would be a good way to explore their dynamic.

Joseph would be an old soul. He would be a mama's boy, very protective of his mom, Adrienne, He would be the most like her, despite her not being his biological mom.  He is the peacemaker in the family.  His dynamic with his twin Victor would be very integral in his journey on the show. The relationship between the twins shaped their  relationship with their eldest brother Alex  and baby brother Sonny. 

Victor Jr. would be ambitious, cunning and a wolf in sheep clothing. He would be the most Kiriakis out of the four, wanting to emulate the man, he was named after, in his ruthlessness and lust for power, to Adrienne's chagrin. This would be a natural conflict between mother and child.  Victor's influence over Justin created organic conflict between Justin and Adrienne back in the day.  It would be good for it to be replicated with Victor Jr and Adrienne.  Victor Jr and Adrienne have a contentious, but, loving relationship with each other.  Joseph grounds Victor and keeps him from going too far.  Sometimes, he does not succeed..

Sonny's entrance into the show should have been like when Roman came on the show and was slowly integrated into the show via Marlena. Then, Kim, Kayla and Bo came back  to town for various reasons. They were not shove down the audience's throat, but was woven seamlessly into the show. Sherry is a master of doing that.  The Brady family are now a beloved family on the show. Unlike the Rappaports on One Life to live, They were a loathsome family that ate the show. Asa's vitriol against them was a thing of beauty. I miss Asa and I miss One Life To live...Sonny's brothers should have been on the show years ago. 

[boes]

What a nice episode Friday's show was.

Doug still has an impressive voice, especially for a man of 92.  He did a nice job in that scene even though he had to share it with Julie.  She really is from the Clara Bow school of AKTING.

Ari is about as adorable as it gets, isn't she?

Was Bonnie going to be working the corner after the wedding?

So Father Louey had a family emergency, did he?  He should know better than anyone else it's not okay to lie.

Abigail looked beautiful.  Marci's Abigail is such a relief from the rabid, demented garden gnome that was Mansi.  Billy Flynn just makes every scene, IMO, lighter and more fun to watch.

There were, for me, flashes of the Sonny I used to like in Friday's episode.  I admit I ff'd through a lot of his and Sparkle's vows but for whatever reason, I liked Sonny today.  I'm never going to like Sparkle, I guess for me he's an empty suit wrapped in a grin.  Next!

GREAT gathering of Salemites, wasn't it?  And I can't say it enough, Jawn's going gray is the best thing he's done in ages.

[DisneyBoy]

I just watched Friday's wedding and I really enjoyed it. It had the feel of one of those old school Days episodes, where everything happening in the foreground causes the people in the background to reflect on their lives. Doug singing to Julie was beautiful. It's definitely a moment they'll want to flashback to later on. Very classy. I wish they'd done more stuff like this with Peggy McKay and Joe M :( Once your actors get up to a certain age, you really need to appreciate that and give them some special moments to shine.

I thought Bonnie was used sparingly and to great effect. Her more sedate dress was just as hilarious and eye-catching without being bizarre to the point of detracting from the wedding. Nice shade of green too. I really loved everyone's outfits except maybe Kayla and Hope, but that's nitpicking. Everyone looked really good.

I thought the speeches each got better, with Maggie's being the best, but Brady's was definitely a very loud warning to everyone in the room that something is way off with him.

The meaningful looks exchanged throughout the ceremony were perfect. Ron gave us glimpses of all the storylines with those silent moments: Gabi still recovering from her heartbreak with Chad while being hopeful about Eli, Marlena and John still thinking about their upcoming wedding and their long history of togetherness and separation, Andre's ongoing distaste for Rafe and Hope (something I thought the show was going to ignore from now on and I'm thrilled that they haven't forgotten about!)...all of it was wonderful.

I especially love that they finally had Andre say specifically that Stefano wasn't around and no one knew where he was. I feel like they've been pretty murky about whether or not he's alive or dead even though last winter it seemed clear that they meant for him to still be alive.

As for the couples, I wish I could say I liked Sonny's speech but I just can't stand Freddie anymore. I was even irritated to see him right behind Abigail as Abigail was starting to make her speech. His face just annoys me. He looks like a taunting fakey mascot head. I really hope Ron sidelines him because he doesn't deserve any more screen time as far as I'm concerned.

Paul's speech just made me wish they had written in some actual history between him and Sonny and made use of the almost year they spent together on screen. His speech could have been moving to someone other than him if we had any connection to the stuff he was talking about. It always just sounds like Christopher Sean is citing things from a half page character bio. He played baseball, he was in the closet, etc....we get it. There's like nothing else to talk about.

I really have to hand it to them for making so many new music cues. I've noticed the same old cues are only popping up once or twice an episode, where it used to feel like entire weeks went by where every episode was the same music on a loop.

And boy did the church look gorgeous! They filmed it in all sorts of ways I don't remember them filming it before. I really loved that shot of Julie and Doug coming into the foreground while we saw the altar in the background. However small this set may be they actually shot it in a way that made it feel much larger. Nicely done! And they even went through the trouble of creating a wall on the left side of the church, where the cameras normally are. That makes it a lot harder for them to shoot and probably takes a lot more time so I applaud them for putting in that effort just to make it feel like real space.

Honestly, this was the first time in ages I felt like this show had anything resembling polish. This almost felt like a series finale style episode in some ways, so I'm really glad Ron has shown he has an eye for how to pull off big events.

it's a shame both of the couples are kind of laughable in their own ways, but I got good feels in this episode and that's more than I felt towards this show all year.

Now the only big question is whether or not Ron can find a way to make The Uninvited Guest a welcome presence on my screen. I am not looking forward to the "acting" to come.

 

Edit: Apprentice, this is the kindnest compliment I have ever received and I shall cherish it....thank you!

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Disneyboy, don't ever stop talking. 

Edited October 1, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[salvame]

On 9/28/2017 at 4:58 PM, Silver Raven said:

I assume the text at the end was about the escape from the hospital?

It was about the good Priest being called away to a family emergency

[Cupcake04]

Wow what a great episode Friday was! It almost felt like old-school soap.....pretty much everyone was at the wedding too!  As a GH watcher, I was pretty skeptical when Ron was hired at Days, but so far I am really liking what I am seeing. It has been a long time since I have anticipated a Monday episode and am looking forward to it.

Gabi dress was gorgeous....but it needed to go to the knee....way too short...we were close to seeing her hoo- ha for a minute there!  They really went all out and have everyone dressed really well.  Even Bonnies dress....over the top but still nice.

I did not like Abby look at all. I thought her hair/makeup/ dress were all way better at the non vow renewal...I think I even posted her about how perfect I thought it all was.  If there was ever an actress that needs eye shadow it is her!  Or make her brows darker and defined. The eye makeup they are using on her is too close to her hair color so it is like her eyes blend into her eyebrows. It is soooooo distracting to me.. And I have said it before but for the love of God please please please either cut the hair or use some mousse of volumizer or something!!!!

[tribeca]

Catching up on last weeks shows.  Few thoughts.   

Andre is so strange.  I don’t practically like him but found it very rude of Chad and his friends to leave that boring party.   

I love Steve.  Sorry but him giving the male stripper a tip made me laugh. 

Brady truly is losing it.   He’s speech at Sony’s wedding was strange.  The look on johns face during it gave me hope that he sees something is wrong with his son. 

There is no way anyone should believe Adrienne would not do anything for her son. 

Nicole looked terrible at the wedding.  

The ladies dresses were all strange choices though.  

I liked Paul with John and Marlena.   They seemed to bring out the best in each other. 

Edited October 2, 2017 by tribeca

[Stella Rose]

On 9/28/2017 at 6:49 PM, msrachelj said:

i felt sorry for the new and improved andre. it was pretty shitty of them to walk out and go somewhere better (although, that party sucked too from what i could see) when andre went through all the trouble he did and seemed to really care about his brother. and i love the new andre. he is one of my favorite characters. 

Me too!  I felt bad - feeling bad for Andre (who I still like to think of as T'andre) - it was beyond shitty how Chad & the guys treated him.  I know the evening was a big snooze, but they could have at least had dinner with the poor bastard before bailing.  Jerks.

Help me out here guys, when EJ was still alive was it Andre or Tony who rode into the DiMansion on a horse? I can still see Stefano's face.  Snort.  

[bannana]

When Bonnie shoved in beside Victor, when she was meant to sit in the front row, Victor shoots her a disgusted look and wrenches his jacket out from under her.  Meanwhile, Abe and Valerie are laughing their heads off at the whole thing.

Brady is losing it, big time!

[salvame]

On 9/29/2017 at 4:58 PM, Silver Raven said:

Does the Catholic Church allow non-priests to perform marriage services in the Church? 

Is it verified anywhere that the church on DOOL is RC? It always seemed to have more of an Episcopal vibe to me, except for Fr Eric's sexual transgressions.  Oh yeah, and the Brady clan...

If it is RC, then the writers are just going with whatever makes for a good story, as they have very stringent rules regarding who can do what. I believe Episcopal churches will sanction same sex marriage, and their priests can marry.  

[boes]

1 hour ago, salvame said:

Is it verified anywhere that the church on DOOL is RC? It always seemed to have more of an Episcopal vibe to me, except for Fr Eric's sexual transgressions.  Oh yeah, and the Brady clan...

If it is RC, then the writers are just going with whatever makes for a good story, as they have very stringent rules regarding who can do what. I believe Episcopal churches will sanction same sex marriage, and their priests can marry.  

It's Catholic, for sure.  The references over the years, the family histories Eric's first Mass, etc.

I think you're right, show just decided to ignore it all for some reason.

[swtrgrl]

Just read the tweeted recaps...wow. Go, Ben. Go!

I'm anxious to see if Freddie brings it. It seems like he did from what I can tell. Flashbacks are great!!!

[worleybird]

Anybody in the Chicagoland area, because of the network coverage on Vegas, Days will be shown at 1:37am Monday night/Tuesday morning.

[DisneyBoy]

Freddie pushed two tears out of his right eye but he most certainly did not "bring it". Watching he and Crest Whitening model Ben compete for the most inert performances of the year just made me so pissed off. Get them both off my screen please.

Today, they both got the kind of material actors dream of. It was dramatic, it was emotional, it was unexpected...and I spent the entire time thinking about how virtually any actor who'd ever been on Another World could have phoned in a better performance half sick than either of these two boneheads gave. Freddie should have been physically shaking with rage and emotion, red-faced and seconds away from completely losing it. Instead he looked like he was pissed off at someone who had called his precious face cream side business a total scam. Scratch that. I think he would have actually gotten more upset about that.

The whole episode was a stall, so I can't claim that I was too happy with the pacing either. Ron really just wanted Ben to say "Will is alive!" today and to delay getting to anything resembling development.

Was anyone else expecting at least a couple of people to start beating Ben up mercilessly and him to be swinging around a gun? And am I really supposed to believe or care that Ben suddenly wants to make amends for what happened? When did he grow a conscience? When did he stop obsessing about Abigail? When did he find the time to perfectly style his hair and shave and get those nice duds?

 

I missed little moments here and there at the start of the hour, but I'm really disappointed in Marci, who didn't seem to bring anything to the table regarding Ben and Abigail's history. At this point I would think she would have seen enough of the old episodes to try and suggest the one thing Kate Mansi never did: that Abigail is partly responsible for Will's death. But nope. This was the guy that drove her insane to the point of becoming a pyromaniac, running away from her husband and child, and spending months in therapy self-medicating...and her reaction is this small?

The flashbacks should have been nice, but they only left me thinking how much I now hated even Flashback Sonny.

I'm irritated.

How could anybody think the wedding would be able to go on after that? How is Jennifer sitting there in the front row giving Abigail big smiles? This isn't a relay race where they get a trophy for completing the course. It's supposed to be a wedding. I would imagine seeing a serial killer/former fiancee show up and announce someone's dead spouse is still alive would pretty much put an end to the festive mood.

By having them try to just cart been off and then continue the ceremony, Ron undercut the dramatic tension. I didn't mind the way he juxtaposed Abigail's vows with the flashbacks, but it wasn't worth deflating detention. if you're going to have a serial killer show up in a big surprising way but then have everyone kind of ignore him and go about their business, why even bother?

probably could have dealt with it if the performances were really really strong. If Sonny was holding back tears the whole time and looked like he just witnessed Will's murder (he never did get a scene with Ben after that happened, let's remember)...and if stupid Ben had learned to do something other than squint his eyes and make a duck face...and if Lani has tripped Ben and bodychecked him into the floor (and finally justified her existence in the process...) then maybe I wouldn't have minded that the episode went nowhere.

I'm already dreading the weeks and weeks of material Freddie is going to be handed on a silver platter. I almost would have rather Ben come back and murder him as well so that Will could return unfettered.

Lauren Koslow gets the MVP award for actually putting some passion into her few lines.

Edited October 2, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[TeeVee329]

Ben: I feel underdressed.  Should've worn a tie.

HA!  Oh Ron!

[Apprentice79]

45 minutes ago, swtrgrl said:

Just read the tweeted recaps...wow. Go, Ben. Go!

I'm anxious to see if Freddie brings it. It seems like he did from what I can tell. Flashbacks are great!!!

Freddie was okay.  He was a bit shouty, given that he was yelling at Ben who jettisoned his life with Will and Arianna. It was understandable.  When Abigail was saying her vows and it was accompanied with flashbacks of Wilson. Paul does not see the bus coming for him...Oh well!  

Casey Moss brought it for me. His rage and hatred of Ben reminded me of Jack. That darkness in Jack. It is too bad they had to make JJ a Dudley do right, he should have been groomed as an anti-hero of his generation..

Andre calling out Ben just pissed me off.  Andre has more blood on his hands than Ben.  Andre should not be free, walking around and socializing with people.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Apprentice79

[BlackMamba]

Man I know I haven't posted in some time but Days is back the best soap on TV!!!  This show over the last several weeks hasn't disappointed at all.. RC, SA and RQ has got me so fucking entertained and it's must see tv. 

OMG welcome back Robert Scott!!!  He totally nailed his returned scenes.  And wow the subconscious scenes Marci Miller had with him was excellent!  Abby's whole mind went black and she found the strength to club Ben right in the face.  Sonny taking us down history lane telling us how Ben killed people especially Will.  

If Greg Meng doesn't turn in this episode along with the one from Friday for the Emmys, he's crazy.  Then again we have so much more good craziness coming soon.  AHHH DAYS IS BACK BITCH! 

Edited October 2, 2017 by BlackMamba

[Apprentice79]

23 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Freddie pushed two tears out of his right eye but he most certainly did not "bring it". Watching he and Crest Whitening model Ben compete for the most inert performances of the year just made me so pissed off. Get them both off my screen please.

What happened to Freddie? I am still confused about what happened to him.  He was so damn likable as Sonny. I loved the fact that we had a Gay character that had no issues with his sexuality.  

[willgracefan]

2 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

What happened to Freddie? I am still confused about what happened to him.  He was so damn likable as Sonny. I loved the fact that we had a Gay character that had no issues with his sexuality.  

Someone pages ago commented about how when Sparkle and Sonny kiss there is no passion. It’s like watching two straight guys kiss. When Guy played Will he went all out with his kisses and I as a viewer really appreciated that. The writers haven’t given us a reason why Paul and Somny are back together, I wish the actors would make up for it somehow but it ain’t happening. What happened to Freddie indeed! 

[Apprentice79]

10 minutes ago, willgracefan said:

Someone pages ago commented about how when Sparkle and Sonny kiss there is no passion. It’s like watching two straight guys kiss. When Guy played Will he went all out with his kisses and I as a viewer really appreciated  that. The writers haven’t given us a reason why Paul and Somny are back together, I wish the actors would make up for it somehow but it ain’t happening. What happened to Freddie indeed! 

It is funny that you bring up Guy. He said that the first time that he kissed Freddie, he used his tongue..lol Freddie went with it and afterwards, Freddie told him that  tongue is not supposed to be used.  So, there was a time that Freddie as an actor took risk for his craft..

Edited October 2, 2017 by Apprentice79