S14.E20: Reunion, Part 3

[dancingdreamer]

55 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

THANK YOU!

This will never not bug the shit out of me. 

Sutton's takeaway that she's glad she and Erika seem to be in a good place irritated me. She doesn't need to gas up Erika, or Kyle.

I just remember  what Jennifer  said, just how much they film, and how little is shown of that. She said enough  for three shows. I'm thinking  Bravo left a lot of fun on the floor.

[nexxie]

5 hours ago, dmeets said:

which is all Garcelle was ever trying to say, but Kyle spun that into Garcelle being an asshole.

I think that was the biggest thing to support Garcelle's "I get zero grace" statement.

In that scene you could tell that Kyle felt embarrassed and put on the spot. Garcelle may have meant well, but choosing to use the word lesbian went too far - which she could have guessed about Kyle. It’s also possible she used lesbian to get a headline - Garcelle can be pretty sly sometimes.

[Surrealist]

The only complaints I have about Garcelle are the ones I've brought up in the other Reunion threads, which are that I don't agree with her and Jennifer going to Kyle & Co about Sutton because 

1) She didn't ask them to do that.

2) It made Sutton look weak, and made the situation turn uglier during their final St. Lucia dinner. Plus Erika outed Garcelle and Jennifer for going to them behind Sutton's back.

I think that Garcelle and Jennifer should've discussed their feelings, etc. when they were alone with Sutton. I felt like that was the right time for them to tell her why she was wrong in the argument, and also for Garcelle to explain why she was upset and disappointed with Sutton. I truly believe that would've made for a more meaningful scene between Garcelle and Sutton. I do believe Garcelle held back kind of regularly with Sutton, instead of going all-in. When Sutton brought up that that was their "first fight ever," I found that interesting. As Sutton's friend, Garcelle should feel as if she can be totally honest with Sutton about Sutton. 

Which also makes one question how deep their friendship actually was if Garcelle didn't feel comfortable going that deep. I'm not blaming her for that, though. I find it sad, really, because I enjoyed their friendship on the show.

That said don't think a friend should (ever) go behind another friend's back to discuss that person with their enemy (enemies), regardless of their intent. 

I think that's something that someone who really values you wouldn't do.

I also didn't care for the moment Garcelle said, mic'd up, how she was expecting the other ladies to go after Sutton, instead of her. I mean, they had been going after Sutton all season anyway. It almost gave off the impression that Garcelle preferred they go after Sutton and leave her (Garcelle) alone. 

I've no doubt Sutton watched this show when we did and noticed her friends' comments about her in their THs, and toward the other HWs. That might partially explain Sutton's lackadaisical behavior at the Reunion. She might have been over this season too. Plus it makes sense to me that she could've felt somewhat fucked over by them too.

When anyone comes after me for something I've said (along with others), I never say "But So-and-So said it too, so don't just get angry with me!" I take it on the chin, and keep it moving. I might say something to the other offenders later (and privately), but I don't throw friends under the bus. Hell, I don't throw people I dislike under the bus, even if they agree with me. I think it's a shit move to drag everyone into an argument that's not going to be resolved easily, and one that potentially ends with everyone even angrier with one another.

I completely understood Garcelle's frustration with the other HWs, and don't disagree with her. I would've been over the bullshit too. I'm glad she peaced out because the show had served its purpose for her. I think it's best that she went out on a high note, and as a fan favorite.

Those were two incidences where she kind of lost me, but that's because of how I view friendship. Everyone has their own criteria on what's important to them.

Edited April 17 by Surrealist

[hoodooznoodooz]

So Erika’s son and she are not estranged. And they are talking more. Let’s learn more about that.

[Pi237]

5 minutes ago, nexxie said:

In that scene you could tell that Kyle felt embarrassed and put on the spot. Garcelle may have meant well, but choosing to use the word lesbian went too far - which she could have guessed about Kyle. It’s also possible she used lesbian to get a headline - Garcelle can be pretty sly sometimes.

I like Garcelle, but she does put people on the spot, from the first time she asked Sutton where she gets her money to using the unspoken word ‘lesbian’ about Kyle. She was putting that word out there, officially on screen and that was on purpose. However, it’s Their job and they All do it. Plus, Kyle had made a lesbian-baiting video so the word and question behind it were fair game in my opinion.  The others all put each other on the spot or make innuendos that they know will live on, but then I Love you hug each other at the reunion and be friends again.  Garcelle felt they weren’t moving on with her in a way where they included her after making up. But they weren’t really doing that with Sutton either.  I can see how she felt like an outlier though. None of them really seemed to embrace Garcelle other than superficially - except Sutton who proved she’d throw her to the side to get a seat at the cool kids table in a heartbeat.  And here comes Boz, who gets accepted with little effort her first season. I imagine they hurt as well.  
 

And Dorit can act wide-eyed incredulous all she wants, she knows Damn well what she was doing with her ‘jokes’ about Sutton drinking. 

 

[b2H]

12 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Dorit calling Garcelle unprofessional was rich (wrong choice of word for her)

Even Andy stared at Dorit after that ‘unprofessional’ comment in amazement.

[Surrealist]

6 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

And Dorit can act wide-eyed incredulous all she wants, she knows Damn well what she was doing with her ‘jokes’ about Sutton drinking. 

 

Once again, I think even Boz agreed that Dorit was being intentional with the jabs. 

And once again, makes me wonder what she's getting out of Dorit's behavior.

[Chatty Cake]

8 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

And Dorit can act wide-eyed incredulous all she wants, she knows Damn well what she was doing with her ‘jokes’ about Sutton drinking. 

 

How many times did we watch Dorit order vodkas with the carcass out? She’s a drinker too despite calling PK a raging alcoholic and poking at Sutton. I went into the reunion not liking her but I’ve upgraded to despising her.

[Surrealist]

Also, I was taken aback when Sutton said Reba hadn't watched the season, yet.

Boy, that's going to be an awkward convo. Especially with regard to Sutton's TH about how her mother and her ex-husband are narcissists. 😶

[tranquilidade]

The fact that Kyle said she was able to read all of Mauricio's texts and acts like this is a big CIA secret on how to do it is pathetic.  The fact that she needed to do it says he's been flirting with women for a long time and she tolerated it because she didn't think he acted on it.  What an idiot.

[Surrealist]

To reiterate: I stand firm in my belief that Sutton needs to leave the show. I think her time has come to its end. I think the longer she stays on it, the worse she'll look by the end of next season. If she goes away now, I think she can repair her image if she lies low and moves on from this group of women.

[bravofan27]

Dorit was being a little ridiculous, but no one else was talking. Andy can't have a reunion with everyone refusing to speak. With Garcelle giving everyone the stink eye, and saying she was pissed and didn't want to talk, of course they didn't want to engage with her. I don't think she realized how bad she looked on the reunion once Sutton didn't back her up with the Dorit staged robbery accusation. 

Garcelle repeated said on the season that Sutton wanted Kyle's friendship. She could have addressed that the reunion, but she didn't. She then got mad that Sutton did the exact same thing she did all season. I don't know what she expected, but if she wants to be accountable, and claims she is accountable, she had the opportunity to express herself but she didn't.

2 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

How many times did we watch Dorit order vodkas with the carcass out? She’s a drinker too despite calling PK a raging alcoholic and poking at Sutton. I went into the reunion not liking her but I’ve upgraded to despising her.

I think that's why Garcelle doesn't want to say anything. Dorit puts herself out there, but Garcelle just mutters things under her breath and for the most part is very quiet. That said, that's why Dorit is on the show, and now Garcelle isn't. People want some content. 

[ivygirl]

3 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Remember when it was FUN to watch this!! What happened?

YES! Even the serious moments seemed to have some fun/weird moments, like Vince Van Patten poking his head out the garage window. Or "look! The ponies are at the pool!" Or Kim mixing chicken salad with her hands. And other moments.

And now... To misquote the tagline from another venerable reality show: they stopped being polite and stopped being real. Everything is hidden. No real talk about Kyle's love life. No real discussion of Dorit's businesses or robbery. A baby storyline that ignores biological realities (and possibly romantic ones). And of course, ABSOLUTELY NO conversation, under ANY circumstances, about Ms Girardi's legal woes. We know there are actual stories happening, but no one talks about them. 

in contrast, VPR got a jolt of life after a couple boring seasons precisely because they allowed the reality of the headlines to show on screen (and people enjoyed being "detective" to figure things out). 

We need a little more of that on RHOBH--or at least a return to a "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" vibe that most of us tuned in for at the beginning. It's part of why I was so disappointed by Boz. She COULD have brought some really interesting professional stuff to the table, but no. We get the maybe-baby and Dorit Defender.

44 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

To reiterate: I stand firm in my belief that Sutton needs to leave the show. I think her time has come to its end. I think the longer she stays on it, the worse she'll look by the end of next season. If she goes away now, I think she can repair her image if she lies low and moves on from this group of women.

I figure this may be part of why she's laying low on social--deciding what to do next season.

[nicole21290]

7 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Knowing how their mother treated them all I wouldn’t be suprised if she picked the “good” daughter and was more affectionate towards her more so then the others .. some parents do this and it helps them pit each other against one another.. 

Kyle actually spoke about this supposed 'affectionate' mother of theirs in a podcast with Paris like two years ago. Has a slightly different take than Kathy, lol.

Paris: How would you describe her?

Kyle: She was a powerhouse, really strong, opinionated, outspoken, a little bit of a temper at times, but she was extremely passionate. You know, anything she felt she felt really deeply and obviously you being her first grandchild, she was just so in love with you. You were her whole world. She was a lot softer with you than she was with her own daughters, which I as an adult now I see that and I read about you know, 'Oh, once you have grandchildren, you're different.' I always hear that about people, and that was definitely Grandma. When it came to you, I used to think, 'Well, wow, she's so sweet and soft and snugly.' She was a lot tougher on us, for sure."

[princelina]

8 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Oh, thanks I didn't realize that.  I'm glad Andy asked her about it.  She seemed to be searching for an excuse but basically saying she didn't want to be around someone that sick is pretty effing lame.  Not surprised though.  Dum dum Dorito has been lame all season.  

She said earlier in the season that she and Teddi are "friendly but not good friends" and got yelled at for it, although I thought she was describing her relationship with a colleague she's not actually friends with quite properly.  So I could see her thinking Teddi wants to be around loved ones and not her.  But she loses me when she doesn't send a card or flowers, food to the house, take the kids, etc.

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I hope Jennifer Tilly stays a Friend Of and doesn't become a full time HW.  BRAVO brand fame seems brutal to me.  As a Friend she was pleasantly funny and honest and didn't feel the need to jump into the fray.   Also, it's probably a much better shooting schedule.   Either way though, I'm hoping she returns.  

I have no idea why anyone who is allowed to be a "friend of" would rather be a cast member! They get all the fun and very little of the trouble (unless they make an effort to have trouble like Faye did)  😄

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Kyle refers to lesbianism as if it’s something embarrassing.

She doesn't want people to think she's a lesbian because she's hoping to find a new boyfriend!

1 hour ago, tranquilidade said:

The fact that Kyle said she was able to read all of Mauricio's texts and acts like this is a big CIA secret on how to do it is pathetic.  

Somewhere out there Kristen Doute was laughing her butt off and yelling, "Amateur!" 😂

[Mr. Miner]

3 hours ago, b2H said:

Even Andy stared at Dorit after that ‘unprofessional’ comment in amazement.

I’m pretty much over Andy too, used to be a big fan.

[dmeets]

20 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I think that's why Garcelle doesn't want to say anything. Dorit puts herself out there, but Garcelle just mutters things under her breath and for the most part is very quiet. That said, that's why Dorit is on the show, and now Garcelle isn't. People want some content. 

I promise I’m not shooting the messenger! But if Doorit is the content people want, then it’s best I move on. It’s certainly the content Andy loves, women going for the jugular. But both Doorit and now Erika have had a season where literally their only storyline was redecorating a room, yet they're still here. Not what I’d call riveting.

I would disagree though that Doorit put herself out there this season. It seemed more she put PK out there. He’s the alcoholic. He’s the bad parent. He’s the one who called for a separation after being encouraged by his sponsor. He’s the one who walked out of a therapy session after three hours (!!!) All season it’s been about her being a victim of Kyle, of PK, of PK’s sponsor, of Camille, of Sutton, of Garcelle. So that she could smoke a cigarette, bug her eyes out, inadvertently drop the fake accent, and yell the c-word while being celebrated.I don’t think she put herself out there at all. What she showed this year wasn’t brave and lifting the veil, it was vindictive and nasty. But she’s playing Andy’s game so good for her I guess.

By the way, I’ve always disliked PK. So I don’t feel bad for his portrayal. I just think his estranged wife is equally as full of shit. I’d take Garcelle and her quiet muttering any day and be much more entertained than watching a grifter place the blame on everyone who’s done with her shit. But Garcelle has left the building now, so sucks for me.

Again, no offense! I just needed one more venting session about Doorit 😂

[bravofan27]

34 minutes ago, dmeets said:

 

Again, no offense! I just needed one more venting session about Doorit 😂

Oh, none at all. Just saying that Dorit is willing to look like an asshole, and puts herself out there. She is fulfilling her realty show obligations. 

I don't enjoy Dorit at all, but this season has really given her an opportunity to have camera time. And, IMO, all the women really want camera time. Kyle brings the reaction spots, Sutton brings the extreme emotionality. Boz brought some extreme fashion and directness. Ericka can confront people on her issues. Tilly and Kathy show up, but that's really their role. To be a main cast member, you have to add some drama and be interested in what's going on. 

I don't believe Garcelle is "better than" this show, because, first, she is on it. Second, she shadowed Sutton all season and got super invested in her relationship with her mom and Kyle. She didn't seem to try to connect to Boz or Ericka. 

She could have played this so differently, but I think her ego got the best of her. 

Edited April 17 by bravofan27

[Surrealist]

21 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Sutton brings the extreme emotionality.

Boy, does she ever. This is something I hope she works on in therapy. I think she still has a lot of unresolved issues in her life. 

I also agree with you that Dorit doesn't mind being the asshole because it gives her all the camera time. That's really the point of this show anymore.

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, ivygirl said:

 I figure this may be part of why she's laying low on social--deciding what to do next season.

I really hope Sutton considers leaving the show. 

She really bungled her reputation during this Reunion, regardless of whether people think she should've joined Garcelle in the Dorit pile on. 

This was the Dorit/Erika/Kyle season. They succeeding in dividing and creating chaos among the other HWs, and drawing in the bulk of the fanbase to their side. I'd leave the show to them, and let them turn on one another next season. Just go live your best lives.

[Shannah Banana]

I didn't appreciate Boz trying to flame the group by saying that Sutton said she was an angry black woman, when she did not.  She was asking Garcelle and Jennifer in the After Show, what she did to make Boz almost angry with her.  Notice how she "omitted" the almost word.  Then basically calling Garcelle out for not taking Sutton to task about it.  Man, that Boz is a puffed up peacock, always right and smarter than anyone else.  But she hears what she wants to hear, evidently. 

And that time she called Kyle a liar (which she is) and saying omission is lying.  Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.  If we all didn't omit saying certain things from our interactions with people, we would always be in a world war.  If I omit saying I hate your dress, does that mean I am lying?  No, it means I have enough sense to not start trouble.  But, since she omitted saying Sutton was "almost" angry with her, was she lying?  Or did she simply not remember it correctly because she wanted something to hate on Sutton with, and Garcelle too.

Shut up Boz.  Just because you think you're the brightest bulb on the tree, doesn't mean you are. 

[ivygirl]

7 hours ago, Surrealist said:

That said don't think a friend should (ever) go behind another friend's back to discuss that person with their enemy (enemies), regardless of their intent. 

I think that's something that someone who really values you wouldn't do.

Such a great point. I had a friend who would bring my venting about a person TO THAT PERSON. Then she would come back and say “oh, I talked to so and so about what you said, and THEY said…” The first time or two I held in my feelings because I… well, I was a lot younger and nervous about expressing my feelings. The third time she did it, I was like, “Please don’t bring this stuff up to the person,” and she acted all shocked and said “oh, I just wanted to help…” Like, who on God’s green earth would picture that helping a situation? NB this is someone I don’t really speak to anymore (not because of a dramatic falling out, but I was tired of this and other behavior).

Eventually you come to understand if a person is truly there for you. I don’t know if that’s true for any of these women anymore.

3 hours ago, dmeets said:

I promise I’m not shooting the messenger! But if Doorit is the content people want, then it’s best I move on. It’s certainly the content Andy loves, women going for the jugular. But both Doorit and now Erika have had a season where literally their only storyline was redecorating a room, yet they're still here. Not what I’d call riveting.

Lord help us if that’s the case 🤣

I do agree that Andy loves fighting women and catty women. 

[OlderThanDirt]

It was funny that the only part of the reunion when Andy really came alive was about the idea of Kyle buying a house across from LVP.

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, ivygirl said:

Such a great point. I had a friend who would bring my venting about a person TO THAT PERSON. Then she would come back and say “oh, I talked to so and so about what you said, and THEY said…” The first time or two I held in my feelings because I… well, I was a lot younger and nervous about expressing my feelings. The third time she did it, I was like, “Please don’t bring this stuff up to the person,” and she acted all shocked and said “oh, I just wanted to help…” Like, who on God’s green earth would picture that helping a situation? NB this is someone I don’t really speak to anymore (not because of a dramatic falling out, but I was tired of this and other behavior).

Eventually you come to understand if a person is truly there for you. I don’t know if that’s true for any of these women anymore.

I've been through that before too, so I hear you. Our opinions are based off our own lived experiences. 

I think it's wonderful that there are people who will go to the mat often for their friends. That's commendable behavior.

And I believe there are moments when friends should have each other's backs, but not every time.

I'm also the kind of person who, if you tell me something in confidence, I'm not going to blow up your spot to everyone else. That's where these women get into big trouble, but it's also the point of the show these days: creating discord and carrying grudges for multiple seasons over perceived slights.

In the case of Garcelle and Sutton, I didn't think Sutton was evil for not wanting to go after Kyle (again) about Morgan, and for not wanting to accuse Dorit/PK of staging the robbery. These situations have nothing to do with Garcelle. 

If they had been, and Sutton sat there silent, then she should've been torn 20 new assholes for not defending Garcelle.

Do I think Sutton could've been a better friend? Definitely. She really dropped the damn ball in this Reunion. But I also remember that Sutton would consistently compliment Garcelle both on camera and in her THs for how proud she was of Garcelle for her career moves, the beach house, etc. So it's not as if Sutton has never been supportive of Garcelle. It's more that she could've done a better job as a friend, but Sutton acknowledged that she needed to be a better friend near the end of the Reunion. 

Although it might be too late for Sutton to fix things with Garcelle, she can learn from this fuck up, and be a better friend to others going forward.

Jennifer commented that Sutton is a different kind of person when she's on the show vs who she is in real life. Since they've been close friends for years, Jennifer would know better Sutton than pretty much anyone else. Jennifer certainly doesn't hide when she disagrees with Sutton, and that's how a real friendship looks to me.

Edited April 17 by Surrealist

[Keywestclubkid]

4 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I've been through that before too, so I hear you. Our opinions are based off our own lived experiences. 

I think it's wonderful that there are people who will go to the mat often for their friends. That's commendable behavior.

And I believe there are moments when friends should have each other's backs, but not every time.

I'm also the kind of person who, if you tell me something in confidence, I'm not going to blow up your spot to everyone else. That's where these women get into big trouble, but it's also the point of the show these days: creating discord and carrying grudges for multiple seasons over perceived slights.

In the case of Garcelle and Sutton, I didn't think Sutton was evil for not wanting to go after Kyle (again) about Morgan, and for not wanting to accuse Dorit/PK of staging the robbery. These situations have nothing to do with Garcelle. 

If they had been, and Sutton sat there silent, then she should've been torn 20 new assholes for not defending Garcelle.

Do I think Sutton could've been a better friend? Definitely. She really dropped the damn ball in this Reunion. But I also remember that Sutton would consistently compliment Garcelle both on camera and in her THs for how proud she was of Garcelle for her career moves, the beach house, etc. So it's not as if Sutton has never been supportive of Garcelle. It's more that she could've done a better job as a friend, but Sutton acknowledged that she needed to be a better friend near the end of the Reunion. 

Although it might be too late for Sutton to fix things with Garcelle, she can learn from this fuck up, and be a better friend to others going forward.

Jennifer commented that Sutton is a different kind of person when she's on the show vs who she is in real life. Since they've been close friends for years, Jennifer would know better Sutton than pretty much anyone else. Jennifer certainly doesn't hide when she disagrees with Sutton, and that's how a real friendship looks to me.

I think Garcilles big issue was Sutton would say this ON camera  to her or even Jennifer and her  but then when she brought it to the group Sutton suddenly forgot how to speak .. like you have smoke when she ain’t around and bitch about her but when it got time to say this to her you weren’t anywhere around .. 

honestly I don’t think I could be friends with someone like that cause it would wear on you .. like shit talk them to me but then suck up to them in person .. I’d be side eyeing you myself a little bit 

[pasdetrois]

I stopped watching and even reading the forum but was curious about Garcelle's leaving.

As a couple other posters suggested, I think Garcelle's appearance on the show was purely promotional, and it has paid off in new work elsewhere. Good for her. I think Jennifer may be doing the same thing.

I've often wondered how Sutton arrived on the show. Perhaps she was flattered  to be asked and thought it would be exciting and fun. Was she advertising for a beau or promoting her businesses? I think her continued presence on the show is purely ego, since she doesn't need the cash.

I am convinced the housewives are fed directions and storylines by producers. On a Below Deck episode there were images of on-set producers hovering right out of camera range. They were shown during a the perceived threat of violence from a drunken cast member. I think the housewives HAVE to behave in a prescribed way to support those mandates, or lose their places on the shows. It explains the bizarre way these outspoken narcissistic women fail to acknowledge or address the giant stomping elephants in their midst - Erika's alleged crimes, Dorit's supposed home invasion, Kyle's two-stepping with a woman...and why they circle like jackals around the chosen victim each season. It explains the shuffle in alliances from time to time.

I don't think any of them are friends outside of the show, with the exception of Kyle and Teddi, although I think Kyle has used Teddi like she uses others. I think the housewives make appearances, pose on Instagram in restaurants, and all that stuff, to promote each season.

I don't think Andy is the showrunner and lead decision-maker. Other media sites name two or three people who do make the decisions for the housewives shows, including one who is supposed pals with Kyle and keeps her on the show. 

I do think Andy adores it when women cat-fight, which is what these shows are. He doesn't admire it, he feels superior to it. He loves lording it over them and the way they are craven for his attention. He can barely conceal his contempt. He uses all of them, including Kyle.

I never bought Garcelle's victimhood or the idea of her being a superior housewife to the others. She's a professional actress and understood the assignment and got a pretty favorable edit. I didn't like her putting her kids on the show. As for her reunion walk-off, my understanding is the housewives don't view the episodes until shortly before the reunion - perhaps the day before in a controlled environment? - and perhaps Garcelle was freshly pissed off, maybe at Sutton's apparent abandonment of their own alliance. Or, she planned the whole thing to generate media attention, which she has gotten.

Edited April 17 by pasdetrois

[Surrealist]

6 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think Garcilles big issue was Sutton would say this ON camera  to her or even Jennifer and her  but then when she brought it to the group Sutton suddenly forgot how to speak .. like you have smoke when she ain’t around and bitch about her but when it got time to say this to her you weren’t anywhere around .. 

honestly I don’t think I could be friends with someone like that cause it would wear on you .. like shit talk them to me but then suck up to them in person .. I’d be side eyeing you myself a little bit 

I completely understand that. I agree.

Since the Reunion is about airing grievances and tying up loose ends, I think Garcelle should've brought that up to Sutton in front of the group. 

I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask Sutton why she's friendly toward them when she doesn't even really like them, and we know they don't like her.

I'm actually curious to know why she wants to be friendly toward them.

Maybe that way we can all suss out whether it's genuine interest, or she's afraid of them, or she's plotting for next season.

I think Sutton would save face by leaving the show at this point. 

4 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I've often wondered how Sutton arrived on the show. Perhaps she was flattered  to be asked and thought it would be exciting and fun. Was she advertising for a husband or promoting her businesses? I think her continued presence on the show is purely ego, since she doesn't need the cash.

I think you were in my brain this morning because I was wondering the same. 

We all understand what motivated the different HWs to come onto the show. Maybe for Sutton it was about promoting her store/fashion line? She's kind of all over the place, and I'm never quite sure how to read her. That said I think her staying on the show is as ego-driven as the other HWs staying on it too.

Also, I maintain that Sutton seems more interested in a friendship with Erika, and I think it's their shared Southern (Georgian) roots that drives it. Both were raised by a hardass mother/mother figure (grandmother), and I think Sutton is drawn to that because Erika came out of that experience as a different person (seemingly more confident and self-assured) than she did. 

It's kind of unfortunate they never learned to get along because Erika (instead of Kyle) going on the Augusta trip with Sutton and Garcelle would've been infinitely more interesting to watch unfold.

Edited April 17 by Surrealist

[Rorysmom]

Annnnd... I knew that Sutton wouldn't choose Garcelle. Called it when they went to see Sutton's mom. Sutton may like Garcelle, but she wasn't going to choose her over the group she has really wanted to be friends with all along. 

I've never warmed to Garcelle. She was catty and snippy from the beginning but was rarely upfront with it. I've shared my opinion of her and Dorit's initial falling out before, so I won't belabor the point. But I don't think Garcelle gave Dorit the grace that Garcelle actually wanted. Garcelle and Dorit's friendship couldn't make it out of the "bitch is eating crackers" zone. Dorit asked her multiple times over the years if they could be genuine friends, but it never stuck because Garcelle simply didn't like her or want to try. And that's cool. If we're comparing, Boz is very perceptive AND direct. Garcelle was not.

[SweetieDarling]

Kyle with the excuses on why she can't  answer direct questions about her personal life. She used to use the "we're sisters and it's complicated so I can't really talk about it" excuse. Now she's moved on to the "I'm protecting my children" most of which are adults living on their own, and Portia is at least 16, so it looks like if she's trying to protect them (from the truth) she hasn't been honest with them -I know!! what a surprise! At this point I'm not even sure Kyle is honest with herself

Edited April 17 by SweetieDarling

[SweetieDarling]

Kyle says she doesn't want to talk about the father of her children, and Dorit sits there and nods in agreement. What?! Girl, you trash talk PJ every chance you get!

 

Kyle always bragged about what a strong loving marriage she and Mau had, but she went through all his texts and social media messages? To me that says there was no trust, and to me that is not indicative of a strong loving marriage.

[Surrealist]

2 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Kyle says she doesn't want to talk about the father of her children, and Dorit sits there and nods in agreement. What?! Girl, you trash talk PJ every chance you get!

 

Kathy calling PK "PJ" felt calculated to me, and told me what I needed to know about her feelings toward Dorit/PK. 

[SweetieDarling]

Dorit saying she found a friend for life in Boz was such a lame ass dig at Kyle and you could see Garcelle was on to her with the eye roll

It cracks me up when these women think they're so clever

[Surrealist]

2 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Dorit saying she found a friend for life in Boz was such a lame ass dig at Kyle and you could see Garcelle was on to her with the eye roll

It cracks me up when these women think they're so clever

At the very least, until mid-next season.

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Kyle says she doesn't want to talk about the father of her children, and Dorit sits there and nods in agreement. What?! Girl, you trash talk PJ every chance you get!

I thought the same thing. Plus, Dorit hasn't even bothered to explain to her kids why their father doesn't live there anymore.  

I do believe Dorit considers Boz a "friend for life", although I doubt it's reciprocal, only because  I don't think Dorit has any other friends or even knows anyone with the kind of patience to listen to her endless monologues.  

 

[Yours Truly]

17 hours ago, Surrealist said:

The only complaints I have about Garcelle are the ones I've brought up in the other Reunion threads, which are that I don't agree with her and Jennifer going to Kyle & Co about Sutton because 

1) She didn't ask them to do that.

2) It made Sutton look weak, and made the situation turn uglier during their final St. Lucia dinner. Plus Erika outed Garcelle and Jennifer for going to them behind Sutton's back.

I think that Garcelle and Jennifer should've discussed their feelings, etc. when they were alone with Sutton. I felt like that was the right time for them to tell her why she was wrong in the argument, and also for Garcelle to explain why she was upset and disappointed with Sutton. I truly believe that would've made for a more meaningful scene between Garcelle and Sutton. I do believe Garcelle held back kind of regularly with Sutton, instead of going all-in. When Sutton brought up that that was their "first fight ever," I found that interesting. As Sutton's friend, Garcelle should feel as if she can be totally honest with Sutton about Sutton. 

Which also makes one question how deep their friendship actually was if Garcelle didn't feel comfortable going that deep. I'm not blaming her for that, though. I find it sad, really, because I enjoyed their friendship on the show.

That said don't think a friend should (ever) go behind another friend's back to discuss that person with their enemy (enemies), regardless of their intent. 

I think that's something that someone who really values you wouldn't do.

I also didn't care for the moment Garcelle said, mic'd up, how she was expecting the other ladies to go after Sutton, instead of her. I mean, they had been going after Sutton all season anyway. It almost gave off the impression that Garcelle preferred they go after Sutton and leave her (Garcelle) alone. 

I've no doubt Sutton watched this show when we did and noticed her friends' comments about her in their THs, and toward the other HWs. That might partially explain Sutton's lackadaisical behavior at the Reunion. She might have been over this season too. Plus it makes sense to me that she could've felt somewhat fucked over by them too.

When anyone comes after me for something I've said (along with others), I never say "But So-and-So said it too, so don't just get angry with me!" I take it on the chin, and keep it moving. I might say something to the other offenders later (and privately), but I don't throw friends under the bus. Hell, I don't throw people I dislike under the bus, even if they agree with me. I think it's a shit move to drag everyone into an argument that's not going to be resolved easily, and one that potentially ends with everyone even angrier with one another.

I completely understood Garcelle's frustration with the other HWs, and don't disagree with her. I would've been over the bullshit too. I'm glad she peaced out because the show had served its purpose for her. I think it's best that she went out on a high note, and as a fan favorite.

Those were two incidences where she kind of lost me, but that's because of how I view friendship. Everyone has their own criteria on what's important to them.

ALL OF THIS!!! 

I'm a bit frustrated with Garcelle's frustrations and justified anger towards the FFF being entangled with Sutton's failures as a friend. 

Sutton has a hard enough time navigating through the barrage of shit thrown at her at all times and yet people really expect her to have the wherewithall to not only come to Garcelles defense but to also DECIPHER when, where and how? Even though Garcelle herself is cutting her own self off and giving up NOTHING. Sorry, that's a tall order Garcelle is requesting. 

Hell, I STILL don't know what the hell Garcelle was mad about SPECIFICALLY. What are we to expect Sutton to jump in randomly and cite two seasons ago, three seasons ago, twenty minutes ago.. what?? Garcelle frustrated me because she wasn't being CLEAR! 

That's always been my problem with her. She doesn't say SHIT with her chest. She pouts, she speaks in vague terms and doesn't actually explain anything fully and when she finally does she pulls out some generic "no one smiled at me today" nonsense. I still didn't get what that was supposed to generate from the others. I wouldn't have know how to even address that and as much as I dislike Kyle I wasn't mad at her response with saying that "maybe noone is really smiling because it's tense and foreboding day that they are about to have". It was just so silly. And as for the robbery portion, did Garcelle actually think she was supposed to get a cookie for continuously claiming it was fake? I mean good for you that you're being accountable but being accountable doesn't absolve you from the negative reaction. Did she really think she was supposed to receive a bunch of warm and fuzzies? Girl bye. That's was absolutely hysterical to me and delusional of her. Make it make sense. 

I also appreciated the fact that Erika at the end pointedly said "you get the shit kicked out of you every season" (or something like that)  to Sutton. Like what in the world is Garcelle running off set being dramatic about?

Look, I'm good with Garcelle wanting to be done and I'm good with her feeling how she feels but at the end of the day that was hella corny, confusing and ridiculous how she went out. Not to mention uneccessarily dramatic. To be honest her whole pouting parting commentary was so lame because as true as it that these bitches are assholes she came across like she was brand new and born yesterday. Sorry not sorry. It sounded like she didn't understand what show she was on. 

Everything she felt is obviously valid and viewers as well as castmates can absolute get that but her silly deployment of these misgivings and grievances just made her exit and handling of the situation bizarre.

Yeah, everyone can fill in the blanks and figure out where her reasoning is and look back on past grievance and put shit together but at the same time she's a grown ass woman and couldn't figure out how to express herself more fully, completely and with less monotone theatrics?  God Lord, give me a break. 

[Yours Truly]

17 hours ago, Pi237 said:

I like Garcelle, but she does put people on the spot, from the first time she asked Sutton where she gets her money to using the unspoken word ‘lesbian’ about Kyle. She was putting that word out there, officially on screen and that was on purpose. However, it’s Their job and they All do it. Plus, Kyle had made a lesbian-baiting video so the word and question behind it were fair game in my opinion.  The others all put each other on the spot or make innuendos that they know will live on, but then I Love you hug each other at the reunion and be friends again.  Garcelle felt they weren’t moving on with her in a way where they included her after making up. But they weren’t really doing that with Sutton either.  I can see how she felt like an outlier though. None of them really seemed to embrace Garcelle other than superficially - except Sutton who proved she’d throw her to the side to get a seat at the cool kids table in a heartbeat.  And here comes Boz, who gets accepted with little effort her first season. I imagine they hurt as well.  
 

And Dorit can act wide-eyed incredulous all she wants, she knows Damn well what she was doing with her ‘jokes’ about Sutton drinking. 

 

I'm confused with this assessment. When has Sutton thrown Garcelle to the side? The one issue Garcelle was mad about and spoke on kinda.. was when Sutton refused to continue needling Kyle about Morgan. I don't consider that throwing Garcelle to the side. I saw that as Garcelle deciding to TRY and move forward with that particular issue and Sutton clearly stating she didn't want to. You mean to tell me friends aren't allowed to disagree?

Now if you mean Garcelle's disapproval of Suttons neediness with regards to continuously trying to befriend the other castmates despite their mistreatment of Sutton then that's not Sutton throwing Garcelle to the side that Garcelle deciding that Suttons friendship isn't worth the aggravation of witnessing that. Which honestly is definitely Garcelle's prerogative but that's not Sutton tossing Garcelle to the side, that's Garcelle tossing Sutton to the side cause she can't be bothered. 

It absolutely makes sense that Garcelle doesn't want to be a part of that and there's nothing wrong with that but let's not make it into something it's not. This isn't a poor Garcelle moment. She made a grown choice and that's okay but at the same time I personally don't think the antics of the show is worth throwing her friendship away however that goes back to the idea that Sutton was Garcelles work "friend" whereas Sutton thought they were real friends. 

A lot of us here have been on the fence about that one and it seems to me that Garcelle showed us what the real deal is. 

[Chalby]

Am I the only one who grits her teeth when Kyle is asked a question? I find that every time she talks she says absolutely nothing of value or clarity, and it's extremely frustrating. I would rather Kathy answer Kyle's questions.

[pasdetrois]

There was probably a lot of content that didn't make the edit, and that fanned the emotional flames.  Maybe stuff that happened in real life, before the reunion.

[Yours Truly]

14 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Oh, none at all. Just saying that Dorit is willing to look like an asshole, and puts herself out there. She is fulfilling her realty show obligations. 

I don't enjoy Dorit at all, but this season has really given her an opportunity to have camera time. And, IMO, all the women really want camera time. Kyle brings the reaction spots, Sutton brings the extreme emotionality. Boz brought some extreme fashion and directness. Ericka can confront people on her issues. Tilly and Kathy show up, but that's really their role. To be a main cast member, you have to add some drama and be interested in what's going on. 

I don't believe Garcelle is "better than" this show, because, first, she is on it. Second, she shadowed Sutton all season and got super invested in her relationship with her mom and Kyle. She didn't seem to try to connect to Boz or Ericka. 

She could have played this so differently, but I think her ego got the best of her. 

Love al of this, especially the bolded!

[Surrealist]

6 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

There was probably a lot of content that didn't make the edit, and that fanned the emotional flames.  Maybe stuff that happened in real life, before the reunion.

This is what I'm thinking too, which is why the fanbase is jumping to analyze what we did see on the Reunion. I think there was more happening behind-the-scenes that would've provided even greater clarity.

[Natalie68]

13 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Boy, does she ever. This is something I hope she works on in therapy. I think she still has a lot of unresolved issues in her life. 

I also agree with you that Dorit doesn't mind being the asshole because it gives her all the camera time. That's really the point of this show anymore.

Because she IS an asshole.

[Chalby]

On 4/16/2025 at 5:20 PM, ivygirl said:

Speaking of being boring, etc.: Did Dorit offer anything during this reunion besides barking at Sutton any time Sutton opened her mouth?

Dorit has the misfortune of owning an annoying voice. Every time she talks,it's like she goes on and on endlessly, flogging the same damn horse

[Yours Truly]

5 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think Garcilles big issue was Sutton would say this ON camera  to her or even Jennifer and her  but then when she brought it to the group Sutton suddenly forgot how to speak .. like you have smoke when she ain’t around and bitch about her but when it got time to say this to her you weren’t anywhere around .. 

honestly I don’t think I could be friends with someone like that cause it would wear on you .. like shit talk them to me but then suck up to them in person .. I’d be side eyeing you myself a little bit 

My thing is then why doesn't Garcelle just specify that. Why is the audience and the other cast member left to fill in the blanks.

I have no problem with that being the case and the reasoning but my issue is that Garcelle doesn't address it either. So neither one of them is being completely forthright.

I also don't think it's cool to try and call your friend out regardless. So what. She talks shit behind the scene but she's talking shit WITH Garcelle. Unless Garcelle AND Sutton both agreed beforehand to go balls to the wall this season and let it all hang out and then Sutton turned tailed and clammed up when Garcelle led the charge (this could be the case) then I'm not with Garcelle being butt hurt about it all. 

I think Garcelle decide to try to drop bombs on Suttons behalf in order to bring it but that's not for her to do. Garcelle needed to drop Garcelle bombs and not use Suttons unlikeability and her neediness for friendship as her "bringing it" this season. Why couldn't Garcelle speak up on her own behalf and get into their asses on her own about whatever it is she wanted to take them to task for? This whole thing where Sutton has failed Garcelle because Garcelle isn't expected to manuever HER own role as a main cast member without Suttons blind support is a bit annoying to me.  Especially when Garcelle picks and chooses when to back up Sutton, as she should.

Not to mention it looked as if Garcelles biggest storyline was her disapproval of Suttons need to be accepted. I guess she didn't feel comfortable being real about that but was real comfortable blowing Suttons spot and tattling on her during the reunion.  Yeah, Garcelle really lost me on how she handled everything involving Sutton and the other and how she handled her own friendship with her. 

 

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Now if you mean Garcelle's disapproval of Suttons neediness with regards to continuously trying to befriend the other castmates despite their mistreatment of Sutton then that's not Sutton throwing Garcelle to the side that Garcelle deciding that Suttons friendship isn't worth the aggravation of witnessing that. Which honestly is definitely Garcelle's prerogative but that's not Sutton tossing Garcelle to the side, that's Garcelle tossing Sutton to the side cause she can't be bothered. 

It absolutely makes sense that Garcelle doesn't want to be a part of that and there's nothing wrong with that but let's not make it into something it's not. This isn't a poor Garcelle moment. She made a grown choice and that's okay but at the same time I personally don't think the antics of the show is worth throwing her friendship away however that goes back to the idea that Sutton was Garcelles work "friend" whereas Sutton thought they were real friends. 

I wanted to highlight this part of your response because it reminded me of something Dana Wilkey (Season 2, Friend Of) said on her podcast in a recap of Part 3 of the Reunion regarding Garcelle and Sutton. Yes, I realize Dana has had her own issues, but she's been on the show, knows why the HWs behave as they do, and how production plays a role in those behaviors, so her insights into the show are interesting.

Dana's take was that Garcelle seemed to allude to the fact that Sutton wasn't a good friend, but that that was tied to her father's suicide and her mother's inability to love properly. Dana went on to say that she felt Garcelle appeared to have a moment of forgiveness for Sutton, but also realized that "maybe you're just not for me."

I thought that was both an interesting observation and a valid feeling for Garcelle to have.

Edited April 17 by Surrealist

[Keywestclubkid]

15 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

My thing is then why doesn't Garcelle just specify that.

 

She has repeatability and its being ignored .. she has stated the issues and everyone keeps pretending like she hasnt

this season she has SAID Sutton talks and bitches to her but doesn't bring it to the group

she has said it TO Sutton and in a talking head multiple times THIS SEASON

She has also said to these ladies and on camera that she is treated differently and she is .. again she has vocalized these issues and you guys keep acting like she hasn't said anything but she has

 

Why does Garcille have to spoon feed these ladies .. hold there hand and talk to them like they are 5 to get them to hear her? she seems to be the ONLY one of these ladies that's being told NO you arnt doing that right .. all the other ladies can be as vague or talk around a subject and crickets .. Garcielle has to walk them through letter by letter thus proving her point  that she is being held to a different standard then the rest of the ladies ... She has to have bullet points and graphs and a step by step process they dont

Edited April 17 by Keywestclubkid

[goofygirl]

On 4/16/2025 at 5:15 AM, Chatty Cake said:

What a boring reunion. 
Kyle managed not to confirm anything regarding Morgan or if Mauricio cheating caused the separation. 
Dorit calling Garcelle unprofessional was rich (wrong choice of word for her) She’s an ass kissing asshole! 

Yep, I thought that "unprofessional" comment from that c**t Dorito was hilarious!

Like, what exactly does Dorito KNOW about professionalism?? Seriously.

[Surrealist]

29 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Why does Garcille have to spoon feed these ladies .. hold there hand and talk to them like they are 5 to get them to hear her? she seems to be the ONLY one of these ladies that's being told NO you arnt doing that right .. all the other ladies can be as vague or talk around a subject and crickets .. Garcielle has to walk them through letter by letter thus proving her point  that she is being held to a different standard then the rest of the ladies ... She has to have bullet points and graphs and a step by step process they dont

Hey now. Kyle's just trying to protect the feelings of her (mostly adult) daughters. 😉

[Shannah Banana]

11 hours ago, OlderThanDirt said:

It was funny that the only part of the reunion when Andy really came alive was about the idea of Kyle buying a house across from LVP.

Yeah, he was rubbing his hands in glee thinking of all the blood and gore.

[Rahul]

23 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

I haven't posted in quite a while, but am all caught up now and ready to vent, and vent I will because this is my last season watching this same old, same old mean girl pile on.

I will start with Kyle since she is the OG.  I do not believe for one minute that Kyle is a lesbian at heart.  I believe Kyle is grasping at straws since she couldn't keep turning a blind eye to her husbands wandering eye any longer.  She found a much younger, malleable woman to play it safe with.  Maybe in her sad little mind, being with a woman isn't quite cheating.  She's using Morgan for her own self centered reasons and she is disgusting and pathetic.

Dorit:  She is one nasty piece of work, a total shrew.  If she talked to PK like she talked to whoever she has made a target, no wonder he fled the scene.  No doubt she did.  She is disgusting and contemptible. 

Boz:  She reminds me of a giant peacock, all self righteous and a know it all.  Not impressed and she deserves Dorit.  Haha, the joke is on you, Boss.

Erika:  She'll come back because this is all she has going on, and Bravo will keep her because she has more legal shit in her future and Bravo will exploit it.  She won't be able to be Switzerland all season long, and just pick on the perceived weakest in the group, Sutton.  Her take down is coming back around.

Garcelle:  I'm glad she walked out and stick around for more phony baloney.  She fulfilled her obligations and it was enough.  She can hold her head up high and know that she at least wasn't fake and playing the BH's games.  I hope the best for her.

Jennifer: A great personality and way too good for this show.  If I had any advice for her, it would be: run and don't look back.  You don't need the money like Dorit and Erika, the two cast grifters.

Kathy:  She really is that dense.  She really is.  I wondered, but it's become crystal clear to me, she really is that dense.

And last and least is Sutton:  She totally lost a fan in me.  Sutton disappointed me the most.  She had the best friend and ally in Garcelle and she threw it away because of her desperate need to sit at the cool kid's lunch table.  I think she hurt Garcelle badly and I think when Garcelle really came to the realization that Sutton was not going to have her back the way she had Sutton's, she couldn't take it anymore, wouldn't take it anymore and she was DONE.  Whether Sutton knows it or not, Kyle and clan, broke her.  She said at one point they wanted to break her, and they did.  Sutton, you may have managed to work your way to the table, being Kyle's bitch, but they will never truly like or accept you.  You sold your soul for nothing.

Except for Garcelle and Jennifer (and Kathy as she doesn't really matter) they all make me want to hurl and I hate this show now.  Thank you Bravo, for breaking me.  This was my last Bravo show to watch and you finally lost me because you let the same mean bitches run you season after season, and I just wanted sparkle and shine and mostly good times.  I can take a one on one throw down, but I can't take the gang up's and the playing it safe.  I sincerely hope this show tanks. 

Thank you for beautifully articulating my own thought, especially vis-a-vis Sutton and Garcelle.

Garcelle has been such a good and true friend to Sutton so seeing Sutton unable or willing to reciprocate in the way that would be most meaningful to Garcelle breaks my heart. Garcelle  is too good for these malevolent crones so I’m glad she won’t be returning for mor gaslighting and abuse. Sutton on the other hand has made her own bed and will get what she deserves for turning her back on Garcelle.

I don’t think I will be returning for another season without Garcelle; all the other women are absolutely contemptible and there is not an inkling of enjoyment in watching them.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She has repeatability and its being ignored .. she has stated the issues and everyone keeps pretending like she hasnt

this season she has SAID Sutton talks and bitches to her but doesn't bring it to the group

she has said it TO Sutton and in a talking head multiple times THIS SEASON

She has also said to these ladies and on camera that she is treated differently and she is .. again she has vocalized these issues and you guys keep acting like she hasn't said anything but she has

 

Why does Garcille have to spoon feed these ladies .. hold there hand and talk to them like they are 5 to get them to hear her? she seems to be the ONLY one of these ladies that's being told NO you arnt doing that right .. all the other ladies can be as vague or talk around a subject and crickets .. Garcielle has to walk them through letter by letter thus proving her point  that she is being held to a different standard then the rest of the ladies ... She has to have bullet points and graphs and a step by step process they dont

I think your confusing what YOU'VE pieced together with what Garcelle has ACTUALLY expressed on the show. 

And I think that A LOT of what you are referencing are the nuggets Garcelle shares in a confessional. Not what she actually addresses with the others. 

One other IMPORTANT detail is that whenever Garcelle may have mentioned ANY of this she doesn't stay on point long enough for it to resonate. It fizzes out and she is very famous for the trail off... "... but it's okay..." fade away leaving the rest with a ummm okay, shrug of the shoulders cause Garcelle's pretty much conceded and left it alone. That's Garcelle's signature move. Look, if you want a pity party or if you want for the others to fight to keep your corny grievances alive then Garcelle picked the wrong show.

She does not truly dig in her heels. Then gets mad that no one else cares about it. Well I mean if you are going to be the first one to dismiss it then why on earth would any of the other women pick it up and run with it for you?

I get understanding where Garcelle is coming from but it's pretty obvious that Garcelle didn't really put her back into any of it including stuff for her own damn self. If you want to be heard SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST.  I've said it before. Otherwise, expecting the other women who are famous for being self centered and self serving to wax poetic on your behalf is complete idiocy. And expecting Sutton to pick up the slack is even more idiotic considering she's the last person any of them will listen to anyway. Not to mention she's too busy swatting away daggers and knives in her own defense. Geez Louise. 

Edited April 17 by Yours Truly