S03.E08: A B**** Is Lying

[AntFTW]

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The Faithful seek to close the lid on the coffin theory; an alliance of gamers sparks suspicion.

Air date: February 13, 2025

[Writing Wrongs]

I can't stand Danielle. There's no way in hell that she isn't planning on screwing over Carolyn.

Edited Friday at 03:25 AM by Writing Wrongs

[Salacious Kitty]

Someone on Reddit has the tea because I was inadvertently spoiled. I was skeptical of the post, but they were dead on. 

I think they end up recruiting Gabby. No way will Carolyn allow Britney. And Danielle will protect Britney from murder. I think Dolores is safe for the time being. 

Or they go out of left field and murder Sandoval. 

[Yogisbooboo64]

I don't get it....Ciara won the shield, yet she was banished?  What up widdat?

[choclatechip45]

I can’t believe Tom Sandoval had that line about cheating. Amazing.

Cierra must not have known Carolyn was also a gamer so it was funny watching her complain to her about that.

[Rae Spellman]

50 minutes ago, Yogisbooboo64 said:

I don't get it....Ciara won the shield, yet she was banished?  What up widdat?

The shield protects against murder, not banishment. 

[AntFTW]

I liked Ciara. Sad to see her go.

[Tachi Rocinante]

Her exit was disappointing.  I was expecting middle fingers and multiple F-bombs.

Why did they abandon the strategy about Alan after the way Carolyn flubbed the answer?

[sugarbaker design]

24 minutes ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

Her exit was disappointing.  I was expecting middle fingers and multiple F-bombs.

Why did they abandon the strategy about Alan after the way Carolyn flubbed the answer?

Ddn't Tom eff it up by answering the question for Carolyn?

[Thalia]

29 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

56 minutes ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

Why did they abandon the strategy about Alan after the way Carolyn flubbed the answer?

Ddn't Tom eff it up by answering the question for Carolyn?

He did, but Dylan entered after that, and if they asked Dylan about Alan's outfit it was edited out.   I also wondered why no one talked about Carolyn's answer and Tom's blunder after the fact when they were in small groups.  But then everyone was too busy talking about the Giant Spotlight Danielle and Britney had pointed toward the two of them as they did everything but make and exchange friendship bracelets.  

I'm so happy that Danielle and Carolyn's post-Boston Rob rapprochement was short-lived.  Carolyn has had a history to giving in to what the majority has wanted thus far in the game, but I think she'll stand firm here.   Danielle needs to give in gracefully (won't happen) and then work with Britney to banish Carolyn from outside the turret.    

I'm loving Tom Sandoval's combination of idiocy and fairly spot-on analysis of the players.   He keeps coming up with right answers but all anyone is noticing is when he does something dumb, like provide Carolyn with the right answers to her "test."  

[Cheyanne11]

18 minutes ago, Thalia said:

I'm loving Tom Sandoval's combination of idiocy and fairly spot-on analysis of the players.

He contains multitudes!  I was cracking up at his humming the nursery rhymes.

My faves: Dylan, Delores, Gabby, and Carolyn.  Everyone else can go and the sooner Danielle, quickly followed by Britney goes, the better.

[DEL901]

17 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

He contains multitudes!  I was cracking up at his humming the nursery rhymes.

My faves: Dylan, Delores, Gabby, and Carolyn.  Everyone else can go and the sooner Danielle, quickly followed by Britney goes, the better.

They laughed at how he memorized the tune not just the jumbled words and that was the key to success.  I’m glad Ivar, at least, congratulated him.

[janeyjay]

I was cackling so much during the challenge, I had to hit pause because I was actually wheezing and didn't want to miss anything. Britney's peanut gallery commentary about Sandoval was worth the price of admission -- not a fan of hers but she does give good talking head. 

I don't watch VPR but every time I see Tom Sandoval, I am baffled that he had enough rizz to wreak havoc on the show and with not one, but two women. He's a moron but my stars he's quality entertainment. 

Ivar and Sam and Dylan have become quite the braintrust and I say that with all sincerity. Who knew (hint: not me) that Sam was capable of solid critical thinking like he displayed at the breakfast table? 

[ichbin]

1 hour ago, janeyjay said:

Ivar and Sam and Dylan have become quite the braintrust and I say that with all sincerity. Who knew (hint: not me) that Sam was capable of solid critical thinking like he displayed at the breakfast table? 

Out of this particular cast? Yeah, but their thinking is too scattered. Too bad because they have actually had some good critical thinking at times.  I'm glad Sam was given an opportunity to explain his background and how his silence means he is listening. I hope they were able to hone in on Carolyn and Danielle before the end.

There needs to be a reel of Carolyn's expressions and Danielle's overacting (particularly that shaking bit) at the reunion.  

[NeenerNeener]

l'm still giggling over Alan covering his nipples when they were yelling 'Nips' at Sandoval.

[90sfan]

As much as I dislike Tom Sandoval, I have to admit that he has been great for this show. I was laughing so hard during the challenge. He is someone who takes himself so seriously yet no one else does. Everything about him and the way they are editing him is just great.

I wish Dylan hadn't come out from behind that bookcase and tried to eavesdrop instead. Now I am worried that if they do murder someone, he will be the target just because Danielle and Carolyn do think he overheard something.

[AntFTW]

12 hours ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

Why did they abandon the strategy about Alan after the way Carolyn flubbed the answer?

11 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Ddn't Tom eff it up by answering the question for Carolyn?

11 hours ago, Thalia said:

He did, but Dylan entered after that, and if they asked Dylan about Alan's outfit it was edited out.   I also wondered why no one talked about Carolyn's answer and Tom's blunder after the fact when they were in small groups.

Was the assumption that the traitors wouldn't have done the walk to the altar and therefore wouldn't have seen Alan?

[SourK]

Thank you Sam for finally asking the important questions and wanting to hear what Alan was wearing.

I admire how steadfast Carolyn is being in just, like, asserting that she has a memory and doesn't have to pretend to trust Danielle just because that would be convenient for Danielle's game.

And Danielle's game, so far, seems pretty terrible to me. Something about it suddenly snapped into place for me this episode -- I think she genuinely doesn't know how to play if she can't choose her own alliance.

Also, Tom doesn't seem like that great of a person, but it was kind of mean that everyone made fun of him for being the only one who tried to do the challenge properly.

[DEL901]

Ciara did the same a bunch of faithfuls did, particularly the women…when she was the target, she just kept repeating she was a faithful, without throwing out another name/rationale.   They all HAD to vote for someone.  If she wanted to be safe, she had to propose a viable alternative.  

[sugarbaker design]

1 hour ago, AntFTW said:

Was the assumption that the traitors wouldn't have done the walk to the altar and therefore wouldn't have seen Alan?

Yup, and a correct assumption at that!

[AntFTW]

30 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Yup, and a correct assumption at that!

Damn. Well then Tom fucked that up with Carolyn.

49 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Ciara did the same a bunch of faithfuls did, particularly the women…when she was the target, she just kept repeating she was a faithful, without throwing out another name/rationale.

She threw out Danielle's name saying that Jeremy was murdered that night and people knew he threw out Danielle's name. Jeremy says Danielle's a traitor and then Jeremy gets murdered.

I don't know if she had planted seeds ahead of time but she gave a name at the roundtable.

[DEL901]

Just now, AntFTW said:

Damn. Well then Tom fucked that up with Carolyn.

She threw out Danielle's name saying that Jeremy was murdered that night and people knew he threw out Danielle's name. Jeremy says Danielle's a traitor and then Jeremy gets murdered.

I don't know if she had planted seeds ahead of time but she gave a name at the roundtable.

Yes, but she gave it up too easily.  In the end, she just kept saying she was a faithful.  She needed to turn it back to Danielle.  Oh, well.  Can’t wait to see who they pick as their new Traitor.  Or if they will choose not to pick someone.  

[AntFTW]

3 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Can’t wait to see who they pick as their new Traitor.  Or if they will choose not to pick someone.  

We're back to dysfunction, Danielle and Carolyn not agreeing on anything.

I understand Danielle's rationale of recruiting and I also understand Carolyn's rationale for wanting to murder. They have to give the faithfuls some blood. The men are suspecting that the remaining traitors are women so they might vote as a bloc for the women... so give them a woman to vote for who is a traitor.

Carolyn is seemingly sitting pretty. Carolyn's quirkiness is working in her favor so she has no incentive to bring someone new in that turret who could blow up her spot.

As a side note, Carolyn being all up on Tom's face asking about the shield was hilarious!

[Caudex]

8 hours ago, AntFTW said:

As a side note, Carolyn being all up on Tom's face asking about the shield was hilarious!

It was funny, but isn't that traitor behavior? Why would a faithful care who has the shield? 🤔

[AntFTW]

18 minutes ago, Caudex said:

It was funny, but isn't that traitor behavior? Why would a faithful care who has the shield? 🤔

But Carolyn is so naturally quirky that it might seem normal to them.

[snarts]

I've two suggested improvements:

1) Eliminate the Traitors ability to recruit. The game is already heavily skewed in their favor. Four is already too many. If they all get found out, so be it. The fact they can continue to replicate is completely unfair, IMHO.

2) Stop and/or reduce the number of the shields. They damn near ignore the challenges (which is often the most entertaining part of the show) to search for shields.  Limit to one shield per day & don't tie it to challenge events. Also, shields should also protect the person from banishment at the roundtable.

Sad to see Ciara go. There was really nothing she could do to get the suspicion off her. 

I would never have suspected Sandoval would be the most entertaining part of this season. His earnestness in replicating the backwards nursery rhymes had me in tears. Kudos to Gabby for her confessional imitation. 

[peachmangosteen]

I like your suggestions. I also want them to at least try out giving an incentive, like money added to the prize pot, when they get out traitors.

Edited Saturday at 11:12 PM by peachmangosteen

[Quilt Fairy]

Sandoval seems like an idiot of the first magnitude, but he wasn't wrong when he said at least he had some musicality.  Color me surprised. 

[SourK]

In principle, I'm fine with the Traitors recruiting, but I think it means the objective of the game for Faithfuls is a little different than stated. You're not really trying to banish all of the Traitors. You're trying to stay in the game until there are X number of players, while knowing who the Traitors amongst them are.

When Alan reminded everyone that the Traitors won't reveal themselves in the final rounds, it suddenly made me remember that, if you think you know who the Traitors are, you might not want to vote them out before the end.

[peachmangosteen]

15 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I like your suggestions. I also want them to at least try out giving an incentive, like money added to the prize pot, when they get out traitors.

I was thinking more about this and since the players usually seem more concerned with staying in the game longer than adding money to the pot (I guess their stipend increases with each day or something), it might be a better incentive to cancel the murder if they banish a traitor. But that would mess with their scheduling so I doubt they'd do it.

Edited Sunday at 02:17 PM by peachmangosteen

[realitytvfan1017]

On 2/13/2025 at 10:16 PM, Writing Wrongs said:

I can't stand Danielle. There's no way in hell that she isn't planning on screwing over Carolyn.

After thinking about it , I think she wants to screw over both Carolyn and Britney. I actually think she wants to recruit Britney to feed her to the faithfuls to keep the scent off of her and think they found their BB traitor, but Carolyn would be next . Still Carolyn is smart to not want to recruit Britney .

On 2/14/2025 at 12:17 PM, 90sfan said:

As much as I dislike Tom Sandoval, I have to admit that he has been great for this show. I was laughing so hard during the challenge. He is someone who takes himself so seriously yet no one else does. Everything about him and the way they are editing him is just great.

I wish Dylan hadn't come out from behind that bookcase and tried to eavesdrop instead. Now I am worried that if they do murder someone, he will be the target just because Danielle and Carolyn do think he overheard something.

I’m thinking they might want to murder him because they think he was eavesdropping on them .

On 2/14/2025 at 9:27 PM, AntFTW said:

Damn. Well then Tom fucked that up with Carolyn.

She threw out Danielle's name saying that Jeremy was murdered that night and people knew he threw out Danielle's name. Jeremy says Danielle's a traitor and then Jeremy gets murdered.

I don't know if she had planted seeds ahead of time but she gave a name at the roundtable.

She did but I don’t think she said enough to make a real case for Danielle at this RT.

[AntFTW]

 

[MicheleinPhilly]

Chrishell would have brought more suspicion on herself? Did I hear that right? 

Christ, these people are thick as planks. 🙄

[Ilovepie]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:00 PM, realitytvfan1017 said:

After thinking about it , I think she wants to screw over both Carolyn and Britney. I actually think she wants to recruit Britney to feed her to the faithfuls to keep the scent off of her and think they found their BB traitor, but Carolyn would be next . Still Carolyn is smart to not want to recruit Britney .

I don't believe this - I don't think Danielle is smart enough to that. She wants to save her bestie. So far, everything she has done has been emotional and not great game play. And as far as Rob going, it did exactly what I thought it would - now they are looking at everyone again. These two doofuses should have kept him as long as they could to keep the spotlight off themselves. But no, they just wanted him gone. Idiotic. If Carolyn was a stronger player she could handle recruiting Britney because she would be the easiest to get everyone to banish next, but I don't think she can get it done. She is right to say no to Danielle. I hope she is strong enough to stand up to her. 

Personally, I think Crishelle was a dumb choice to murder. I think it should have been Ivar. He will never get banished. He's like wall paper. 

[RedbirdNelly]

I think they are coached not to bring this up, but it really doesn't matter if you vote out faithful or traitors, as long as you yourself remain in the game. The game doesn't end if you vote out all of them at the beginning. No matter what the pool of players has to be reduced, so I don't get being upset when they "mess up." They would have never felt solid closing the game with Ciara in the mix, so might as well get rid of her now-it's not like she was super helpful. Either way, they are one step closer to the final and have narrowed down the pool. 

[AntFTW]

8 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I think they are coached not to bring this up, but it really doesn't matter if you vote out faithful or traitors, as long as you yourself remain in the game.

Sandra brought it up a lot in podcast interviews last season. Sandra made it very clear last season that her first priority was getting to the end. The goal is to win the prize money, and the chance of getting it is only there if you make it to the end. Sandra always voted with the majority, regardless of whether she thought the target was a traitor or not. Her #1 goal was getting to the end by hiding under the radar and not giving the traitors any reason to single her out for murder.

Edited 15 hours ago by AntFTW

[peachmangosteen]

Yea, this show is just like all the others. At first, it seemed like it'd be a bit different with the traitor aspect but it's not, unless they try to make it worthwhile for the faithfuls to banish traitors.

[MicheleinPhilly]

20 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

I don't believe this - I don't think Danielle is smart enough to that. She wants to save her bestie. So far, everything she has done has been emotional and not great game play. And as far as Rob going, it did exactly what I thought it would - now they are looking at everyone again. These two doofuses should have kept him as long as they could to keep the spotlight off themselves. But no, they just wanted him gone. Idiotic. If Carolyn was a stronger player she could handle recruiting Britney because she would be the easiest to get everyone to banish next, but I don't think she can get it done. She is right to say no to Danielle. I hope she is strong enough to stand up to her. 

Wasn't Danielle considering sacrificing Britney within the first 10 minutes of the game because she hated her that much? And now she's suddenly willing to blow up her (admittedly idiotic) game out of some sense of loyalty to her? 🙄

I just can't with Danielle and all of her fake drama. 

I do agree with your rationale re: keeping Rob, but I can see why they did it. As soon as he went after BTDQ, he made no secret that he was running the show. And the 2 of them just stood there looking like deer caught in the headlights in the turret while he dictated what they were going to do every time. Granted, I don't think either of them has any idea what they are doing in terms of strategy. 

Edited 4 hours ago by MicheleinPhilly
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[DEL901]

1 hour ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

Wasn't Danielle considering sacrificing Britney within the first 10 minutes of the game because she hated her that much? And now she's suddenly willing to blow up her (admittedly idiotic) game out of some sense of loyalty to her? 🙄

I just can't with Danielle and all of her fake drama. 

I do agree with your rationale re: keeping Rob, but I can see why they did it. As soon as he went after BTDQ, he made no secret that he was running the show. And the 2 of them just stood there looking like deer caught in the headlights in the turret while he dictated what they were going to do every time. Granted, I don't think either of them has any idea what they are doing in terms of strategy. 

Rob said the biggest challenge for him was the speed.  On Survivor, you have time to get to know everyone and to persuade them to your way of thinking.  

[Ilovepie]

2 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

I do agree with your rationale re: keeping Rob, but I can see why they did it. As soon as he went after BTDQ, he made no secret that he was running the show. And the 2 of them just stood there looking like deer caught in the headlights in the turret while he dictated what they were going to do every time.

I think Rob would have been happy to work with the other traitors (at least up to a point), but BTDQ was gunning for him almost immediately, and the two girls were at each other's throats - someone had to be the voice of reason because Danielle and Carolyn were at a stalemate. Ironically, the only thing they agreed on was getting rid of Rob. Danielle is terrible at planning and Carolyn is only going to be able to use this airhead schtick for so long - I'm not sure that is the best strategy either. At some point you have to offer the group something. 

I did love when they murdered Crishelle how ice cold Carolyn was - like a totally different person. 

I almost hope they recruit Britney and she turns on both of them. THAT would be hilarious.